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Edward Jensen  
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 More options Nov 10, 11:29 am
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From: "Edward Jensen" <edw...@jensen.invalid>
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 2009 17:29:32 +0100
Local: Tues, Nov 10 2009 11:29 am
Subject: Product of binomials
Hi.

I'm working on a problem where I got some coefficients of the form:


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Edward Jensen  
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 More options Nov 10, 11:56 am
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From: "Edward Jensen" <edw...@jensen.invalid>
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 2009 17:56:09 +0100
Local: Tues, Nov 10 2009 11:56 am
Subject: Product of binomials
Hi.

I'm working on a problem where I got some coefficients of the form
(p1 + q1) * (p2 + q2) * ... * ... (pn * qn)
where pi and qi are different for i = 1 to n

I want to write them up in a "nice" form term by term. In the case where the
pi's and qi's are equal, we got the binomial thereom. Is there any clean way
to write this?

I suspect that we generelly got n+1 terms. I suspect the following pattern:
for i = 1 and i = n we got the product of all pi's and qi's respectively.
for 1 < j < n we got Choose(n, j) sums of all Choose(n,j) combinations of
pi's multiplied by all Choose(n,j-1) combinations of qk's such that all i !=
k in each term.

Is there a clean way to write this term by term as a sum from 1 to n?

Thanks in advance,
Edward.


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Arturo Magidin  
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 More options Nov 10, 12:11 pm
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From: Arturo Magidin <magi...@member.ams.org>
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 2009 09:11:47 -0800 (PST)
Local: Tues, Nov 10 2009 12:11 pm
Subject: Re: Product of binomials
On Nov 10, 10:56 am, "Edward Jensen" <edw...@jensen.invalid> wrote:

> Hi.

> I'm working on a problem where I got some coefficients of the form
> (p1 + q1) * (p2 + q2) * ... * ... (pn * qn)
> where pi and qi are different for i = 1 to n

This is unclear: it could mean at least any of the following three
conditions:

pi=/=qi for each i, but for i=/=j, you could have any of pi=pj, qi=qj,
or pi=qj?

pi=/=qi and for i=/=j, we also have pi=/=pj and qi=/=qj, but it is
possible to have pi=qj?

The pi and qj are pairwise distinct?

Which?

> I want to write them up in a "nice" form term by term. In the case where the
> pi's and qi's are equal, we got the binomial thereom. Is there any clean way
> to write this?

Now it seems that by "pi's and qi's are equal" you mean pi=pj for all
i and j, and qi=qj for all i and j", so that adds many possibilities
to the meaning of the phrase you wrote above. It now seems you could
also mean:

If i=/=j, then pi=/=pj and qi=/=qj; however, we may have pi=pj, qi=qj,
pi=qi, or pi=qj ?

and many other combinations. You are going to have to be more
precise.

> I suspect that we generelly got n+1 terms.

For pairwise distinct, with two terms, you get

(p+q)(r+s) = pr + ps + qr + qs

with is 4 terms, not 3.

> I suspect the following pattern:
> for i = 1 and i = n we got the product of all pi's and qi's respectively.
> for 1 < j < n we got Choose(n, j) sums of all Choose(n,j) combinations of
> pi's multiplied by all Choose(n,j-1) combinations of qk's such that all i !=
> k in each term.

That wouldn't be n+1 terms, because each of those "terms" is a sum of
terms itself.

> Is there a clean way to write this term by term as a sum from 1 to n?

You get one binomial for each choice of a n-tuple of p's and q's. So
you get 2^n binomials in general. The binomial theorem lets you
combine two of the four because the choice (p,q) [p from the first
binomial, q from the second] yields a term that is equal to (q,p) [q
from the first binomial, p from the second].

So rather than combinations, you are better off with tuples: you are
dealing with all functions from {1,...,n} to {1,2}.
--
Arturo Magidin


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