Theft of intellectual property, vol de propriété intellectuelle
plouffe
Bonjour,
Ce message s'adresse à Jonathan Borwein et à l'Université Dalhousie
de Nouvelle-Écosse au Canada. Récemment un site a été ouvert :
http://glooscap.cs.dal.ca:8087/index qui contient du matériel qui
m'appartient
et qui a été développé au cours des années commençant en 1986.
J'écris cette note sur les newsgroup pour dénoncer ce vol de propriété
intellectuelle. Je demande que ce site soit FERMÉ ou que mon nom
apparaisse comme étant la personne qui a créé les tables, les
programmes et l'idée de ce site web. J'avais inclus dans les tables
une trace électronique sous forme de constante apparaissant avec mon
nom justement pour prévenir ce genre de chose. Cette constante
(totalement insignifiante) est la constante : 0.7466675683331986 qui
est mon nom codé avec les touches du téléphone. Elle a été retirée des
tables de ce site exprès.
Bases constants, Pi, e, sqrt(2), etc...
7466675683331986 = Simon Plouffe Electronic Signature
Jonathan Borwein est parfaitement au courant de cette situation et le
site a été ouvert sans mon consentement et surtout n'a PAS été
développé avec les subventions du CRSNG, les noms des personnes qui y
apparaissent ne sont pas en faute dans cette histoire, c'est
uniquement Jonathan Borwein qui est en cause et l'université
DALHOUSIE.
Ce site web est un vol de propriété intellectuelle et je dénonce cet
état de chose, j'exige que mon nom apparaisse sur ces pages web comme
étant le créateur de cette idée. Il y a également le nom de Adam Van
Tuyl et Paul Irvine qui à l'époque ont prêté leur talents à
l'ouverture du site ISC (Inverse Symbolic Calculator) et qui aussi
devraient avoir leur nom apparaissant sur le site web.
This message is written to denounce a theft of intellectual property
by the person
of Jonathan Borwein and the University of Dalhousie in Nova-Scotia,
Canada.
He recently opened a site at
http://glooscap.cs.dal.ca:8087/index which contains data that does not
belong to him.
I personaly wrote and computed these tables over the years beginning
in 1986 and my name should appear as being the conceptor of the tables
and programs.
When I created the tables, 1 constant was included in the tables
containing my name coded into a number which is 0.7466675683331986,
that insignificant constant was included into the tables to prevent
that situation. That number and proper credits were removed
explicitely.
Bases constants, Pi, e, sqrt(2), etc...
7466675683331986 = Simon Plouffe Electronic Signature
I demand that my name appear on this site
as the creator and initiator of that project. 2 other persons should
have their name cited as well : Adam Van Tuyl and Paul Irvine. These
2 persons helped to program the interface when the original site
opened in 1995-96.
Jonanthan Borwein is perfectly aware of that situation, this posting
is to denounce the theft of intellectual property and also the fact
that the web site was opened NOT with my consent.
I demand that my name appear in these pages as well as the 2 other
persons that created the original idea in 1995. If this is not done I
will continue to post these comments in the newsgroup.
This is exactly for that reason that I left the academic circles in
1997 and opened my own web site in 1998 (Plouffe inverter).
Denis Feldmann
Good idea, but a better one would have been to encode it as *wrong
digits* (last non significant ones, of course) of a real minor constant...
Vladimir Bondarenko
> Bonjour,
>
> Ce message s'adresse à Jonathan Borwein et à l'Université Dalhousie
> belong to him.
>
> I personaly wrote and computed these tables over the years beginning
> in 1986 and my name should appear as being the conceptor of the tables
> and programs.
> When I created the tables, 1 constant was included in the tables
> containing my name coded into a number which is 0.7466675683331986,
> that insignificant constant was included into the tables to prevent
> that situation. That number and proper credits were removed
> explicitely.
>
> Bases constants, Pi, e, sqrt(2), etc...
> 7466675683331986 = Simon Plouffe Electronic Signature
>
> I demand that my name appear on this site
> as the creator and initiator of that project. 2 other persons should
> have their name cited as well : Adam Van Tuyl and Paul Irvine. These
> 2 persons helped to program the interface when the original site
> opened in 1995-96.
> Jonanthan Borwein is perfectly aware of that situation, this posting
> is to denounce the theft of intellectual property and also the fact
> that the web site was opened NOT with my consent.
> I demand that my name appear in these pages as well as the 2 other
> persons that created the original idea in 1995. If this is not done I
> will continue to post these comments in the newsgroup.
>
> This is exactly for that reason that I left the academic circles in
> 1997 and opened my own web site in 1998 (Plouffe inverter).
Over many years, I use your splendid Invertor.
I am shocked, I am highly disappointed to hear this.
I hope something can be done about the case.
Best wishes,
Vladimir Bondarenko
Cyber Tester Ltd.
http://www.cybertester.com/
Mark Lawton
>
> This is exactly for that reason that I left the academic circles in
> 1997 and opened my own web site in 1998 (Plouffe inverter).
I apologise if I have misunderstood what these inverters are supposed
to do, but it seems to me that they have both overlooked the obvious
way to rationalise numbers - continued division. Here's a quick Maxima
example:
(%i7) rat(3.1415926536);
`rat' replaced 3.1415926536 by 103993/33102 = 3.141592653011903
(%o7) 103993/33102
Denis Feldmann
> On 15 Oct, 02:04, plouffe <simon.plou...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> This is exactly for that reason that I left the academic circles in
>> 1997 and opened my own web site in 1998 (Plouffe inverter).
>
> I apologise if I have misunderstood what these inverters are supposed
> to do,
entered 19.99909999...
Vladimir Bondarenko
>
> Ce message s'adresse à Jonathan Borwein et à l'Université Dalhousie
> belong to him.
>
> I personaly wrote and computed these tables over the years beginning
> in 1986 and my name should appear as being the conceptor of the tables
> and programs.
> When I created the tables, 1 constant was included in the tables
> containing my name coded into a number which is 0.7466675683331986,
> that insignificant constant was included into the tables to prevent
> that situation. That number and proper credits were removed
> explicitely.
>
> Bases constants, Pi, e, sqrt(2), etc...
> 7466675683331986 = Simon Plouffe Electronic Signature
>
> I demand that my name appear on this site
> as the creator and initiator of that project. 2 other persons should
> have their name cited as well : Adam Van Tuyl and Paul Irvine. These
> 2 persons helped to program the interface when the original site
> opened in 1995-96.
> Jonanthan Borwein is perfectly aware of that situation, this posting
> is to denounce the theft of intellectual property and also the fact
> that the web site was opened NOT with my consent.
> I demand that my name appear in these pages as well as the 2 other
> persons that created the original idea in 1995. If this is not done I
> will continue to post these comments in the newsgroup.
>
> This is exactly for that reason that I left the academic circles in
> 1997 and opened my own web site in 1998 (Plouffe inverter).
Hello,
For me, this sounds not fair, by any standards.
I use your Inverter for about a decade.
Over my lifetime, for me, the Symbolic Inverter
is always related to the name of Simon Plouffe.
I believe you wrote to Jonathan Borwein, right?
I was wondering what was his reply, if any?
Best regards,
Vladimir Bondarenko
Jens Stueckelberger
time a post purportedly from Simon Plouffe and denouncing Jonathan
Borwein, is published in this forum. Is this really Simon Plouffe, or is
it just somebody trying to make waves? I have to say though that people
who know Jonathan Borwein personally have told me that, brilliant as he
is, he is not at all a nice individual.
plouffe
first of all, I am simon plouffe as you can see
from my email address.
2) I don't care what Jonathan Borwein thinks.
3) I did the posting on sci.math to denounce
the situation, whatever I am nice or not does not
change the issue of this intellectual theft.
4) I am not trying to make waves as you mention,
the data in question is freely available on my
web site. What I denounce is the fact that
he opened a web site with 100% of my data
and programs without even mentioning my contribution,
as well as the contribution of the 2 youg programmers
at the time of creation (I won't mention their name
again). this represent 12 gigs of data and years of
work, I posted the message so it won't get
un-noticed, and he did it without my consent.
In addition, the web site looks as if it
was created by him and a couple of developers
+ the addition of public funds. Don't you think
this is a little too much ?
5) If you have a comment to say about me
on the behalf of someone you that knows
someone that knows him please send it
to me directly at simon....@gmail.com
Simon Plouffe
simon....@gmail.com
you may try also plo...@math.uqam.ca
it still work and it is rerouted to
simon....@gmail.com as well.
Phil Carmody
And after having had a couple of brief exchanges with Simon Plouffe,
and conferring with anothers who've collaborated with him in the
past, I can say with a high degree of confidence that Simon is
both a genuine, earnest, and open, mathematician, and also the
originator of the post you've just seen here.
I've never crossed paths with a Borwein, so can't judge that.
Phil
--
The fact that a believer is happier than a sceptic is no more to the
point than the fact that a drunken man is happier than a sober one.
The happiness of credulity is a cheap and dangerous quality.
-- George Bernard Shaw (1856-1950), Preface to Androcles and the Lion
Vladimir Bondarenko
wrote:
On the basis of my own experience of communication with SP I join
the opinion of Phil Carmody, 100%.
Me, also never contacted with Borwein, so I have no opinion here.
Vladimir Bondarenko
Ronald Bruck
<b8a18940-907e-4c9c...@k37g2000hsf.googlegroups.com>,
plouffe <simon....@gmail.com> wrote:
[in response to a post by Jens Stueckelberger, unquoted so I include
the relevant portion here:
>> ...I have to say though that people
>> who know Jonathan Borwein personally have told me that, brilliant as
>> he is, he is not at all a nice individual.
]
> Hello,
>
> first of all, I am simon plouffe as you can see
> from my email address.
>
> 2) I don't care what Jonathan Borwein thinks.
>
> 3) I did the posting on sci.math to denounce
> the situation, whatever I am nice or not does not
> change the issue of this intellectual theft.
I think you misunderstand: Jens is saying he's heard BORWEIN is not
nice, not YOU.
As for that, Jon has always been pleasant enough to me. As for the web
pages in dispute, this would very much depend on the nature of your
position, whether you were working for Jon, whether the pages were
developed while you were being paid by CECM, the copyright notice that
you posted with the original pages (this could override all the
previous considerations), etc. I really have too little information to
judge any of this. If you (and the others) really were the ones who did
the work, it would seem attribution would have been polite, at the
least. (I doubt there is any monetary value to the pages.)
--
Ron Bruck
Jens Stueckelberger
> In article
> <b8a18940-907e-4c9c...@k37g2000hsf.googlegroups.com>,
> plouffe <simon....@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> [in response to a post by Jens Stueckelberger, unquoted so I include the
> relevant portion here:
>
>>> ...I have to say though that people
>>> who know Jonathan Borwein personally have told me that, brilliant as
>>> he is, he is not at all a nice individual.
>
> ]
>> Hello,
>>
>> first of all, I am simon plouffe as you can see
>> from my email address.
>>
>> 2) I don't care what Jonathan Borwein thinks.
>>
>> 3) I did the posting on sci.math to denounce the situation, whatever I
>> am nice or not does not change the issue of this intellectual theft.
>
> I think you misunderstand: Jens is saying he's heard BORWEIN is not
> nice, not YOU.
That's right. I have just a passing acquaintance with him, so I
can't give an opinion. However, several people who interacted with him
over the years (in Nova Scotia and BC) did not seem very impressed about
his qualities as a human being.
hagman
> Bonjour,
>
> Ce message s'adresse à Jonathan Borwein et à l'Université Dalhousie
> belong to him.
>
> I personaly wrote and computed these tables over the years beginning
> in 1986 and my name should appear as being the conceptor of the tables
> and programs.
> When I created the tables, 1 constant was included in the tables
> containing my name coded into a number which is 0.7466675683331986,
> that insignificant constant was included into the tables to prevent
> that situation. That number and proper credits were removed
> explicitely.
>
> Bases constants, Pi, e, sqrt(2), etc...
> 7466675683331986 = Simon Plouffe Electronic Signature
>
> I demand that my name appear on this site
> as the creator and initiator of that project. 2 other persons should
> have their name cited as well : Adam Van Tuyl and Paul Irvine. These
> 2 persons helped to program the interface when the original site
> opened in 1995-96.
> Jonanthan Borwein is perfectly aware of that situation, this posting
> is to denounce the theft of intellectual property and also the fact
> that the web site was opened NOT with my consent.
> I demand that my name appear in these pages as well as the 2 other
> persons that created the original idea in 1995. If this is not done I
> will continue to post these comments in the newsgroup.
>
> This is exactly for that reason that I left the academic circles in
> 1997 and opened my own web site in 1998 (Plouffe inverter).
Sorry, I have no idea what this is about (which is not meant to imply
that I'm taking either side).
At least currently, that page has a "standard" and an "advanced"
option.
Neither of these is operational (even clicking the "Try it" buttons
I am only presented a mesage "Sorry... cannot concatenate 'str' and
'int' objects"). Well, the page isn't even correct html, but I don't
think that is the problme here. The python code seems to be somewhat
buggy...
I also find a link leading to
http://oldweb.cecm.sfu.ca/projects/ISC/ISCmain.html
("the original ISC"). And that seems to be unaware of the
electronic signature:
Entering 0.7466675683331986 yields (with simple lookup)
...
7466673844250428 = (0333) 1/5*(1+6^(1/4)*5^(3/4))^(1/2)*5^(1/4)
7466673975257068 = (0131) sum(1/(61/2*n^2-55/2*n+18),n=1..inf)
Your value of 7466675683331986 would be here.
7466675936617747 = (0003) sum(1/(5^n+(23/6*n^3-27/2*n^2+41/3*n
+14)),n=1..inf)
7466677058856795 = (0180) sum(1/(5/6*n^3+31/6*n
+14)+C(3*n,n)),n=1..inf)
...
The Plouffe inverter at http://bootes.math.uqam.ca finds a lot more in
this region
(including of course the signature):
...
7466673844250428 = (a333) 1/5*(1+6^(1/4)*5^(3/4))^(1/2)*5^(1/4)
7466673975257068 = (v131) sum(1/(61/2*n^2-55/2*n+18),n=1..inf)
7466674153087374 = (m414) ln(GAMMA(13/24))^2/Lehmer^2/cos(Pi/12)^2
7466674247810484 = (p241) sum([sqrt(3)*n]*(1)^n/(a*n+b)/
k^n,n=0..inf),a=74,b=60,k=98
7466674292211959 = (m414) Porter^2/exp(Cahen)*Twinprime
7466674340515975 = (m414) 1/2**(1/3)^2/Golomb^2*exp(BesselJ(0,1))^2
7466674903050908 = (m414) 1/cos(1)*exp(Laplacelim)^2/cos(Pi/12)^2
7466674977731832 = (m414) 1/GAMMA(11/12)^2/exp(Riemannzero3)/
GAMMA(17/24)^2
7466675061133551 = (v415) sum(a(i)/
primes,a(i)=[-1,-1,1,-1,-1,-1,1,1,0,1,0,1,1,0,0]
7466675166294251 = (m414) 1/exp(GAMMA(1/4))^2/HafnerSM/GAMMA(13/24)^2
7466675190635373 = (m414) 1/Froda^2*ln(AGMK)^2*Salem
7466675413475859 = (v415) sum(a(i)/
primes,a(i)=[-1,0,-1,-1,1,0,-1,0,0,1,1,-1,1,0,0]
7466675683331986 = (b000) Simon Plouffe Electronic Signature
7466675825862309 = (m414) 1/Primebin^2*DuboisR2^2/ln(GAMMA(1/6))^2
7466675924815523 = (p241) sum(1/(a*n+b)/k^[n/
3],n=0..inf),a=154,b=133,k=100
7466675936617747 = (v003) sum(1/(5^n+(23/6*n^3-27/2*n^2+41/3*n
+14)),n=1..inf)
7466676144971134 = (m414) BesselJ(0,1)/Feig2*ln(GAMMA(1/12))
7466676147450695 = (m414) exp(Hardhex)^2/Fibfact^2/KhintHar2
7466676206242544 = (m414) exp(Zeta(7))^2*Tribonacci*cos(1)
7466676437502101 = (l337) log(16253/7703)
7466676586853007 = (m414) GAMMA(1/3)*ln(Feig1)^2*GAMMA(19/24)
7466676663343094 = (m414) 1/ln(LemniGauss)/AGMK/GAMMA(13/24)
7466676787601091 = (p241) sum(1/(a*n+b)/k^[2*n/
3],n=0..inf),a=240,b=6,k=2
7466676953570676 = (p210) sqrt(3)*T_3(0,1,0,1,0,-1,-1,0,-1,0,1,-1)
7466677058856795 = (v180) sum(1/(5/6*n^3+31/6*n
+14)+C(3*n,n)),n=1..inf)
Tim Smith
<7439c984-fcb6-4bb8...@i24g2000prf.googlegroups.com>,
plouffe <simon....@gmail.com> wrote:
> I personaly wrote and computed these tables over the years beginning
> in 1986 and my name should appear as being the conceptor of the tables
> and programs.
> When I created the tables, 1 constant was included in the tables
> containing my name coded into a number which is 0.7466675683331986,
> that insignificant constant was included into the tables to prevent
> that situation. That number and proper credits were removed
> explicitely.
You have a much better case with these numbers than you do with the
table of factorials you posted about earlier. The factorial tables
were probably not copyrightable, as they are not creative enough, at
least under US copyright law.
Your constant tables, on the other hand, almost certainly rise to the
necessary level of creativity.
The major case in this area is Feist Publications vs. Rural Telephone,
where one company copied the phone listings from another company's phone
book. Facts aren't copyrightable, so the names were not subject to
copyright. However, a particular selection and arrangement of facts can
be copyrighted, but this particular selection (everybody who had a phone
number in the company's service area) and arrangement (alphabetical
order) show so little creativity that the phone book did not count as a
work of authorship, and so could not be copyrighted.
The same reasoning would cover your factorial tables.
It would not cover your constant tables, though, because presumably you
did not use an obvious rote process for selecting which constants to
include, and because your tables aren't exhaustive (much to Cantor's
relief :-)).
--
--Tim Smith
plouffe
Hello,
after a brief exchange with Jon Borwein, my name was added
to the site in question :
http://glooscap.cs.dal.ca:8087/index
This is all I asked.
************************************************************
Après négociations avec Jon Borwein, mon nom a été ajouté
au site web litigieux et tout est à peu près rentré dans
l'ordre comme je le demandais. Donc, le site
http://glooscap.cs.dal.ca:8087/index mentionne mon
travail sur les tables, c'est tout ce que je demandais.
************************************************************
For the ones interested in tables. I am now adding all the
tables I created recently to the UQAM server, 2 big disks (520 gigs).
are holding 2.68 billion math constants.
a preview of those tables (52 million entries) is at
http://www.lacim.uqam.ca:16080/~plouffe/seq2real/
a complete copy of the 192 million constants of the
current by former version of the inverter is at :
http://www.lacim.uqam.ca:16080/~plouffe/plouffe_inverter_tables/
The old Inverse symbolic calculator with about 50 million entries +
engine is still available since july 18 1995 at :
http://oldweb.cecm.sfu.ca/projects/ISC/ISCmain.html
For the ones interested in the tables, let me state one thing.
All this data is freely available, it can be used in
any computation and there are no restriction on its usage
EXECPT one thing, please : mention the source of the data.
The current engine for Plouffe Inverter is a maple program
which can be found here :
http://www.lacim.uqam.ca/~plouffe/plouffeinverter.txt
I am working now on the 4'th version of that analyzer program.
Instructions on how to use it are within the file.
Simon Plouffe
Vladimir Bondarenko
> Hello,
>
> after a brief exchange with Jon Borwein, my name was added
> to the site in question :http://glooscap.cs.dal.ca:8087/index
>
> This is all I asked.
> Simon Plouffe
Great! It's absolutely fair and square.
Vladimir Bondarenko