"Our Competence is your Success" -- claims SciFace GmbH, the MuPAD makers

Vladimir Bondarenko

unread,

Apr 1, 2007, 4:12:08 PM4/1/07

to

...............................................................

Hello the actual & potential SciFace GmbH customers worldwide,

Here you can see how the MuPAD 4 makers see their product and
their effort and their place at the symbolic calculation market

http://www.mupad.de/

Can we read this in such a way,

"Our Impotence is your Frustration"

?

Best wishes,

Vladimir Bondarenko, MuPAD Beta Contest First Prize winner
http://www.cas-testing.org/SciFace.phtml

VM and GEMM architect
Co-founder, CEO, Mathematical Director

http://www.cybertester.com/ Cyber Tester, LLC
http://maple.bug-list.org/ Maple Bugs Encyclopaedia
http://www.CAS-testing.org/ CAS Testing

...............................................................

JB

unread,

Apr 2, 2007, 6:09:15 AM4/2/07

to

On Apr 1, 1:12 pm, "Vladimir Bondarenko" <v...@cybertester.com> wrote:
> ...............................................................
>
> Hello the actual & potential SciFace GmbH customers worldwide,
>
> Here you can see how the MuPAD 4 makers see their product and
> their effort and their place at the symbolic calculation market
>
> http://www.mupad.de/
>
> Can we read this in such a way,
>
> "Our Impotence is your Frustration"
>
> ?
>
> Best wishes,
>

> Vladimir Bondarenko, MuPAD Beta Contest First Prize winnerhttp://www.cas-testing.org/SciFace.phtml

>
> VM and GEMM architect
> Co-founder, CEO, Mathematical Director
>
> http://www.cybertester.com/Cyber Tester, LLChttp://maple.bug-list.org/ Maple Bugs Encyclopaediahttp://www.CAS-testing.org/CAS Testing
>
> ...............................................................

I am curious. How much is Mupad being sold for lately?

Vladimir Bondarenko

unread,

Apr 6, 2007, 1:35:28 AM4/6/07

to

On Apr 2, 3:09 am, "JB" <wjb...@yahoo.com> writes:

JB> I am curious. How much is Mupad being sold for lately?

Gee! ;)

You hit the nail right by the head. 'Fraid this is a trade
secret, though, so alas I hardly expect to know the precise
figures...

Yet another point. What do MuPAD 4.0.2/4.0.1/4.0.0 customers
feel about the math correctness of the results produced by
MuPAD?

> I am curious. How much is Mupad being sold for lately?- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Vladimir Bondarenko

unread,

Apr 7, 2007, 1:12:34 PM4/7/07

to

ACTUAL: Not Connected

ACTUAL: Error: Out of memory

ACTUAL: Error: Internal failure! Please report to bu...@mupad.de
or use the fill-in-form at http://www.mupad.de/BUGS/

ACTUAL: Error: Out of memory

On Apr 5, 10:35 pm, "Vladimir Bondarenko" <v...@cybertester.com>

wrote:
> On Apr 2, 3:09 am, "JB" <wjb...@yahoo.com> writes:
>
> JB> I am curious. How much is Mupad being sold for lately?
>
> Gee! ;)
>
> You hit the nail right by the head. 'Fraid this is a trade
> secret, though, so alas I hardly expect to know the precise
> figures...
>
> Yet another point. What do MuPAD 4.0.2/4.0.1/4.0.0 customers
> feel about the math correctness of the results produced by
> MuPAD?
>
>
>
> > On Apr 1, 1:12 pm, "Vladimir Bondarenko" <v...@cybertester.com> wrote:
>
> > > ...............................................................
>
> > > Hello the actual & potential SciFace GmbH customers worldwide,
>
> > > Here you can see how the MuPAD 4 makers see their product and
> > > their effort and their place at the symbolic calculation market
>
> > >http://www.mupad.de/
>
> > > Can we read this in such a way,
>
> > > "Our Impotence is your Frustration"
>
> > > ?
>
> > > Best wishes,
>
> > > Vladimir Bondarenko, MuPAD Beta Contest First Prize winnerhttp://www.cas-testing.org/SciFace.phtml
>
> > > VM and GEMM architect
> > > Co-founder, CEO, Mathematical Director
>

> > >http://www.cybertester.com/CyberTester, LLChttp://maple.bug-list.org/MapleBugs Encyclopaediahttp://www.CAS-testing.org/CASTesting

>
> > > ...............................................................
>
> > I am curious. How much is Mupad being sold for lately?- Hide quoted text -
>

> > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -

Christopher Creutzig

unread,

Apr 7, 2007, 3:01:32 PM4/7/07

to

JB wrote:

> I am curious. How much is Mupad being sold for lately?

http://www.mupad.org/shop/

Regards,
Christopher

Vladimir Bondarenko

unread,

Apr 7, 2007, 5:54:53 PM4/7/07

to

..........................................................

As I feel this, the computational powers of
Maple 11 vs MuPAD 4 are kinda 100 : 1.

The prices of Maple 11 & MuPAD 4 are comparable.

MuPAD 4 has a level of incorrect math answers
not seen before in MuPAD 2.5 and MuPAD 3/3.5.

So, considering the computational power/price,
if we are speaking about Maple 11 and MuPAD 4,
even taken into account Maple 11 faults

I'd propose

http://webstore.maplesoft.com/

Best wishes,

Vladimir Bondarenko, MuPAD Beta Contest First Prize winner
http://www.cas-testing.org/SciFace.phtml

VM and GEMM architect
Co-founder, CEO, Mathematical Director

http://www.cybertester.com/ Cyber Tester, LLC

http://maple.bug-list.org/ Maple Bugs Encyclopaedia
http://www.CAS-testing.org/ CAS Testing

..........................................................

On Apr 7, 12:01 pm, Christopher Creutzig <christop...@creutzig.de>
wrote:

Vladimir Bondarenko

unread,

Apr 9, 2007, 4:58:37 AM4/9/07

to

ACTUAL: Error: Out of memory

ACTUAL: Error: ')' expected [line 1, col 20]

ACTUAL: ...UNKNOWN and z = 1/4, infinity...

ACTUAL: NIL

ACTUAL: Being having fed into MuPAD repeatedly, yields
TWO distinct outputs

ACTUAL: -(nfinity - infinity)/(z^2 + 1)

ACTUAL: MuPAD keeps running after 40000 seconds

ACTUAL: Error: Illegal argument [icontent];
during evaluation of 'solvelib::iroots'

COMMENT: MuPAD 3.1 returns

Error: Illegal argument [divide];
during evaluation of 'solvelib::iroots'

MuPAD 2.5 returns

Error: Illegal operand [_union];
during evaluation of 'ode::interchange'

ACTUAL: After about 2000 seconds (!)

1. The output is TOTALLY absent
2. "Not Connected" error message in the status line

ACTUAL: // huge, and now includes FOUR unevaluated limits...
// after about 300 seconds (!)

ACTUAL: After about 18000 seconds at Core 2 duo 2.13 GHz
MuPAD returns an invalid, divergent answer (!)
including FOUR unevaluated limits

ACTUAL: Error: argument must be of 'Type::Arithmetical' [sin]

ACTUAL: Error: Out of memory

ACTUAL: MuPAD(TM) Pro has encountered a problem and needs
to close. We are sorry for the inconvenience.

On Apr 7, 10:12 am, "Vladimir Bondarenko" <v...@cybertester.com>
wrote:

> ACTUAL: Not Connected
>
> ACTUAL: Error: Out of memory
>

> ACTUAL: Error: Internal failure! Please report to b...@mupad.de
> or use the fill-in-form athttp://www.mupad.de/BUGS/

> > > >http://www.cybertester.com/CyberTester, LLChttp://maple.bug-list.org/MapleBugsEncyclopaediahttp://www.CAS-testing.org/CASTesting

Vladimir Bondarenko

unread,

Apr 14, 2007, 12:28:37 AM4/14/07

to

ACTUAL: Error: Illegal argument [comparison operator];
during evaluation of 'numeric::isnonzero'

ACTUAL: Error: cannot get dominant function
[Series::gseries::dominates]

ACTUAL: Error: Overflow/underflow in arithmetical operation;
during evaluation of 'arg'

ACTUAL: Error: singularity;
during evaluation of 'Re'

ACTUAL: Error: Division by zero;
during evaluation of 'Sum::ratio'

Vladimir Bondarenko

unread,

Apr 29, 2007, 1:59:35 AM4/29/07

to

DESCRIPTION: This is a shameful answer for a trivial task.
Mathematica, Maple, and Derive yield a correct
output.

ACTUAL: Error: Illegal argument [icontent]; ...

ACTUAL: Error: Out of memory

ACTUAL: Error: First argument is not defined ...

ACTUAL: {}

ACTUAL: UNKNOWN

ACTUAL: Error: Overflow/underflow in arithmetical operation;

ACTUAL: MuPAD keeps running after 100000 seconds

ACTUAL: Error: Out of memory

DESCRIPTION: This is a shameful answer for a trivial task.
Mathematica, Maple, and Derive yield a correct
output.

Vladimir Bondarenko

unread,

May 17, 2007, 11:41:39 PM5/17/07

to

.................................................................

We report that during the last months there was not a single
attempt on side of SciFace GmbH to contact us and see how to
improve their crippled MuPAD 4.

Not that we cannot expect this; on the contrary, this is a
branch in our decision tree.

The information below is truncated deliberately so SciFace's
GmbH folks would not able to restore the origin of the defect
manifestation.

We do not want any longer to feed SciFace GmbH for free for
them, or, to be more precisce, at our own expense.

.................................................................

ACTUAL: After about 76000 seconds,

Error: Singularity ...

ACTUAL: undefined

ACTUAL: Error: Illegal argument: FAIL ...

ACTUAL: Error: Overflow/underflow in arithmetical operation;

ACTUAL: Error: Illegal argument ...

ACTUAL: Error: Out of memory