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Jesse F. Hughes  
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 More options Nov 2 2012, 12:18 am
Newsgroups: sci.math, sci.logic, sci.physics
From: "Jesse F. Hughes" <je...@phiwumbda.org>
Date: Fri, 02 Nov 2012 00:13:09 -0400
Local: Fri, Nov 2 2012 12:13 am
Subject: Re: Peer-reviewed arguments against Cantor Diagonalization

"LudovicoVan" <ju...@diegidio.name> writes:
> "Jesse F. Hughes" <je...@phiwumbda.org> wrote in message
> news:87y5ilpq6l.fsf@phiwumbda.org...

>> There is not a single thing "wrong" or suspect with N*.  Of course, if
>> LudovicoVan decides to use induction on N*, then he will be using an
>> invalid step.

> Of course we extend induction too, and there is no problem there either.
> Look up transfinite induction and structural induction.

Son, I know about induction.  This structure is not inductive in the
usual sense.  (It is coinductive.)

The best you can do is this:

  If P(0) and Pn -> P(n+1) *and* P(oo) then An in N* Pn.

But that's a god-awful hack made by adding the condition that P holds of
oo.  It's not a proper inductive principle at all (that is, it is not
induction because N* is not an initial algebra).

Say, you were telling me yesterday that Cantor's theorem is invalid.
Let's discuss that.  Show me the invalid step already, will you?

--
"And God Himself won't help you if this goes bad as despite your
beliefs I can assure you that angry people will against all law if
necessary tear their rage out of your hides if it goes badly."
  -- James S. Harris, on the dangers of criticizing his mathematics


 
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