Chubby people live longest: Japan study
rs1...@yahoo.com
Taka
> http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=CNG.c7aaeb7940626693fa418a1ea...
"Main reasons for the shorter lifespans of skinny people were believed
to include their heightened vulnerability to diseases such as
pneumonia and the ****** fragility of their blood vessels *******, he
said. "
anyone advocating the high fish oil consumption in Japan? Autophaging
themselves to death especially now when they have the 33.5 inches
waistline limit:
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/06/13/world/asia/13fat.html?_r=2&ei=5087&em=&en
"we doubt it's good for people of normal physique to put on more fat"
of course, never substitute muscle with fat!
FROM: http://www.japantoday.com/category/national/view/worlds-oldest-man-dies-at-113
"His favorite meals were ***** fried ***** shrimp and Japanese miso
soup with clams ...
Japanese people have among the world’s longest life expectancies—
nearly 86 years for women and 79 years for men—which is often
attributed to the country’s healthy diet rich in fish and rice."
EFAs with rice, a key to Japanese longevity?
Taka
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"Taka" <taka...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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On Jun 20, 3:00 am, "rs10...@yahoo.com" <rs10...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=CNG.c7aaeb7940626693fa418a1ea...
"Main reasons for the shorter lifespans of skinny people were believed
to include their heightened vulnerability to diseases such as
pneumonia and the ****** fragility of their blood vessels *******, he
said. "
Interesting given a study found decreased rates of cerebral hemorrhage in
Japanese AFTER moving to a diet with more saturated fat(Western). Inuits
also can suffer bleeding problems.
It is interesting to note that the lymph glands are generally located near
fat stores. Makes sense, the production of immune cells requires lots of
fats, hence skinny people may lack fat reserves to address this challenge.
Additionally, while this is generally perceived as a bad thing, fat tends to
induce the production of pro-inflammatory cytokines. Many people seem to
think that the lower these inflammatory agents the better. Doofi logic, the
innate inflammatory response probably plays a major role in preventing
infections gaining a foothold. Additionally, these cytokines are involved in
a host of other functions.
Ted
> http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=CNG.c7aaeb7940626693fa418a1ea...
Well I guess this makes it official. Calorie restriction does not
increase life span or prevent the diseases of aging.
François Rose
According to the given link
http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=CNG.c7aaeb7940626693fa418a1eab2291f6.81&show_article=1
what can we tell ?
1°) there are not enough details to analyse; we need all the stats;
does someone have them ?
2°) they divide in four groups:
if I understand well:
BMI under 18,5
BMI between 18,5 and 25
BMI between 25 and 30
BMI over 30
They found that the 3rd group (25<BMI<30) has a longer expectancy
(about 6 or 7 years more) than the first group (BMI<18.5) and than the
obese group (around one or two years more)
What are the results for the medium group ?
They did a 12 year follow up and they've found an expectancy
difference of 6 or 7 years: I 'm curious about how they calculate
their expectancy !!!!
3°) It has been already said here at sle that people with a BMI under
18,5 is very low and generally it matches with
undernurished or bad health people ("their heightened vulnerability to
diseases such as pneumonia and the fragility of their blood vessels").
So the worst results for these skinny people are not surprising.
Nothing can't be inferred to healthy people who pratice Caloric
restriction With Optimal Nutrition. (Caloric restriction keeps the
aging immune system efficient and preserve the health of the blood
vessels).
4°) It is quite well established that BMI is a bad predictor of
survival so basing a study only upon this index is not very
interesting.
Nothing very new under the sun here. A good marketing strategy.
Maybe you should remind that, if you are old and bad nurished and ill,
you should watch your weight and don't lose it and look after your
nutrition. Or if you've got an old aunt or a grandfather in the
neighborhood in that case, watch for him
It's quite unrelated to life extension in good health.
François Rose
Kyle Goetz
> On Jun 20, 3:00 am, "rs10...@yahoo.com"<rs10...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=CNG.c7aaeb7940626693fa418a1ea...
>
> "Main reasons for the shorter lifespans of skinny people were believed
> to include their heightened vulnerability to diseases such as
> pneumonia and the ****** fragility of their blood vessels *******, he
> said. "
>
> anyone advocating the high fish oil consumption in Japan? Autophaging
> themselves to death especially now when they have the 33.5 inches
> waistline limit:
>
> http://www.nytimes.com/2008/06/13/world/asia/13fat.html?_r=2&ei=5087&em=&en
>
> "we doubt it's good for people of normal physique to put on more fat"
>
> of course, never substitute muscle with fat!
>
> FROM: http://www.japantoday.com/category/national/view/worlds-oldest-man-dies-at-113
>
> "His favorite meals were ***** fried ***** shrimp and Japanese miso
> soup with clams ...
Important to note, however, that "favorite meal" does not necessarily
mean "meal he ate all the time."
Pizza topped with grilled chicken and bell peppers is my favorite meal,
but I eat it about once every six months because pizza isn't exactly
healthy.
\Kyle
Ted
until now, the Japanese and people from Okinawa have the longest life
spans. They have far lower rates of heart disease, diabetes, and
cancer. All of this was attributed to their diet. I have read that as
soon as they move to the West and eat a Western diet, they end up with
all the same diseases that we have here. And they are a lot thinner
than Americans in general from what I can tell.
So what does chubby mean? On CNN one example that they gave was a
person of 5'6" weighing 165 lbs. That was an example of what was meant
by chubby. Does anyone know how that would translate to 5'8"?
Taka
> I don't know what to believe anymore. From all that I have read up
> until now, the Japanese and people from Okinawa have the longest life
> spans. They have far lower rates of heart disease, diabetes, and
> cancer. All of this was attributed to their diet. I have read that as
> soon as they move to the West and eat a Western diet, they end up with
> all the same diseases that we have here. And they are a lot thinner
> than Americans in general from what I can tell.
There may be actually growing coconuts in Okinawa because it has
tropical climate. Then they may be feeding the kernels to their pigs
instead of the usual grain+antibiotic mixtures. Then they are eating
the fatty pork meat which is high in "saturated fat" in moderation and
their cholesterol rises bit above the average levels. And hey, some
fatty fish now and then with antioxidant rich vegetables won't hurt
and may have actually hormetic effects on them. And they are moving
their asses on the open clean air and sleeping well what may be the
most influential factor.
Weight loss and exercise is associated with DNA damage ...
Taka
crisology
> On Jul 1, 6:04 am, Ted <chuckfras...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> There may be actually growing coconuts in Okinawa because it has
> tropical climate. Then they may be feeding the kernels to their pigs
> instead of the usual grain+antibiotic mixtures. Then they are eating
> the fatty pork meat which is high in "saturated fat"
Okinawans consume pig far less than Westerners as it is for 'special
occassions'.
> in moderation and
> their cholesterol rises bit above the average levels. And hey, some
> fatty fish now and then with antioxidant rich vegetables
Traditional Okinawan diets include far more veg than standard American
diets and replace the red meat w/fish but in lower quantities too.
> won't hurt
>
> > So what does chubby mean? On CNN one example that they gave was a
> > person of 5'6" weighing 165 lbs. That was an example of what was meant
> > by chubby. Does anyone know how that would translate to 5'8"?-
Aside from this study (that didn't even control for smoking), most
studies detect increased longevity among mammals that are on the lean
side (including humans). Visualize the photos of the longest living
humans. How often are they obese? That only puts more pressure on the
heart, joints, organs, etc. How much more often are they thinner with
frames able to hold their weights than the average American and had
been for decades up to that point?
If a person is mostly muscle at 5'6", 165lbs, that may be healthy but
if the body fat composition isn't athletic <~10%, it is just more work
with increased insulin resistance, carrying around the extra fat and
the disadvantages far outweight the advantages in terms of health.
There is no entire society with an optimal diet. It is like searching
for an entire society that exercises optimally, excludes smoking, etc.
I have seen correlational research comparing wine and longevity but is
this in contrast to coffee, sodas, beer, HFCS drinks, etc? I can't
find studies contrasting benefits of wine over grape juice. I always
equated a bit of wine with some increased socializing and figured it
was the affects of slightly more socializing on avg, among the wine
drinkers that was being measured above the alcohol in terms of impact
on health.
Chris
Ted
> > > So what does chubby mean? On CNN one example that they gave was a
> > > person of 5'6" weighing 165 lbs. That was an example of what was meant
> > > by chubby. Does anyone know how that would translate to 5'8"?-
>
> Aside from this study (that didn't even control for smoking), most
> studies detect increased longevity among mammals that are on the lean
> side (including humans). Visualize the photos of the longest living
> humans. How often are they obese? That only puts more pressure on the
> heart, joints, organs, etc. How much more often are they thinner with
> frames able to hold their weights than the average American and had
> been for decades up to that point?
>
> If a person is mostly muscle at 5'6", 165lbs, that may be healthy but
> if the body fat composition isn't athletic <~10%, it is just more work
> with increased insulin resistance, carrying around the extra fat and
> the disadvantages far outweight the advantages in terms of health.
>
> There is no entire society with an optimal diet. It is like searching
> for an entire society that exercises optimally, excludes smoking, etc.
>
> I have seen correlational research comparing wine and longevity but is
> this in contrast to coffee, sodas, beer, HFCS drinks, etc? I can't
> find studies contrasting benefits of wine over grape juice. I always
> equated a bit of wine with some increased socializing and figured it
> was the affects of slightly more socializing on avg, among the wine
> drinkers that was being measured above the alcohol in terms of impact
> on health.
>
> Chris
Thanks for that. I was very suspicious of this study but I don't have
the background to interpret it. I hope that this is just an odd study
because it just makes everything so confusing.
nightlight
> Aside from this study (that didn't even control for smoking)
They found the same relation in all 3 smoking status subgroups (non-
smoker, light, heavy smoker).