Received: by 10.224.183.13 with SMTP id ce13mr15525197qab.4.1349809729448; Tue, 09 Oct 2012 12:08:49 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.236.114.164 with SMTP id c24mr803270yhh.17.1349809729408; Tue, 09 Oct 2012 12:08:49 -0700 (PDT) Path: r17ni12790870qap.0!nntp.google.com!l8no33358643qao.0!postnews.google.com!b15g2000yqk.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail Newsgroups: sci.lang Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2012 12:08:49 -0700 (PDT) Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: b15g2000yqk.googlegroups.com; posting-host=70.111.57.40; posting-account=tXYReAoAAABbl0njRzivyU02EBLaX9OF NNTP-Posting-Host: 70.111.57.40 References: <0f1fb90e-884f-4a2c-a065-3eb16bb947f5@n16g2000yqi.googlegroups.com> <20c75bbc-5900-4fc6-b5d0-a21562a3f3c0@n2g2000yqn.googlegroups.com> <508448fb-724b-4207-8af8-2f9cb89c8dae@i14g2000yqe.googlegroups.com> User-Agent: G2/1.0 X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 7.0; Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; Trident/5.0; SLCC2; .NET CLR 2.0.50727; .NET CLR 3.5.30729; .NET CLR 3.0.30729; Media Center PC 6.0; InfoPath.2; .NET4.0C),gzip(gfe) Message-ID: <398d6085-965e-4624-9672-348c8bd08739@b15g2000yqk.googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: Assyria, Aramaic From: "Peter T. Daniels" Injection-Date: Tue, 09 Oct 2012 19:08:49 +0000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Oct 9, 12:11=C2=A0pm, Yusuf B Gursey wrote: > On Oct 9, 9:46=C2=A0am, "Peter T. Daniels" wrote: > > On Oct 9, 2:31=C2=A0am, Yusuf B Gursey wrote: > > > > in Journal of Assyrian Academic Studies, Vol. 18, no. 2, 2004 > > > "National and Ethnic Identity in the Neo-Assyrian Empire and Assyrian > > > Identity in Post-Empire Times" Simo Parpola writes: > > > > =C2=A0<< > > > > The word A=C5=A1=C5=A1=C5=ABr=C4=81yu is an adjective derived from th= e geographical and > > > divine name A=C5=A1=C5=A1ur with the gentilic suffix -=C4=81yu. This = name was > > > originally > > > pronounced [A=C5=A1=C5=A1=C5=ABr], with a palato-alveolar fricative, = but owing to a > > > sound shift, its pronunciation was turned to [A=CE=B8=CE=B8=C5=ABr] i= n the early > > > second millennium BC.52 =C2=A0The common Aramaic word for Assyria, = =C4=80=CE=B8=C5=ABr, > > > reflects this pronunciation and in all probability dates back to the > > > twelfth century BC, when the Aramean tribes first came into contact > > > with the Assyrians. Towards the end of the second millennium, another > > > sound shift took place in Assyrian, turning the pronunciation of the > > > name into [Ass=C5=ABr]. > > > > =C2=A0>> > > > > isn't it =C2=A0=CE=B8 > =C5=A1 ? > > > That's Hebrew. The interdentals become sibilants in Hebrew, stops in > > Aramaic, and are preserved in Arabic. > > I know. how about Assyrian / Akkadian?- The various dialects and periods differ wildly over the millennia. The latest analyses are found in several chapters of the 2011 Handbook of the Semitic Languages (de Gruyter), as well as, for the earliest stages of Akkadian in its dialectal and Sumerian context, in a chapter of *The Idea of Writing: Writing across Borders* ed. de Voogt and Quack (Brill, 2011). [I'm reviewing the former for the web site Review of Biblical Literature, and I refereed the ms. of the latter for the publisher; the chapter in question was greatly clarified in accordance with my comments.]