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Franz Gnaedinger  
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 More options Nov 18 2012, 3:52 am
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From: Franz Gnaedinger <f...@bluemail.ch>
Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2012 00:52:01 -0800 (PST)
Local: Sun, Nov 18 2012 3:52 am
Subject: Re: Magdalenian adventure (year eight, continuation)
etymology of soul

Years ago I derived Greek psychae 'soul' from SAI
meaning life, existence, with a labial prefix, p, pSAI.
What may the second word of the compound have
been? I plead for KOD meaning tent, hut, SAI KOD
pSAI KOD pSychae, life / existence within a tent
or hut. Among the many derivatives of KOD, for
example English hut and cottage, German Hütte
and Kate 'hut', is German Haut 'skin'; the soul is
then also the life within the skin confining our body.
Gothic had saiwala and Old English sawl sawol
for soul, from SAI POL, life existence SAI within
a fortified settlement POL, which reminds me of
a Dylan line in a song from New Morning

  this concrete world full of souls

POL is also present in English people and folk
(Dylan a folk singer who made it in New York).
POL PLO names a fortified settlement POL
(Greek polis) made in the wattle-and-daub
technique PLO (Greek plokos 'wickerwork'),
then also the people inhabiting such a settlement,
Old Latin poplo Latin populus Italian popolo French
peuple English people. Latin populus 'poplar tree'
(with long o) refers to the quickly growing vertical
and straight branches of Populus niger that served
as vertical elements in the wattle-and-daub technique
(while flexible willow twigs were used for the horizontal
elements). POL DOK names a woodhenge, a fortified
settlement POL made of poles and beams and rafters
DOK (Greek dokos of the same meanings), then
also the people living in woodhenges, wherefrom
German folk English folk.

The compounds accounting for psychae and soul,
people and folk, testify to my insight from 1974/75
saying that human made things gave rise to words.

You learn to know people if you are confined for
some time in a confined space like for example
a snowed-in mountain hut. Having roamed the land
for millions of years, then confining themselves to
tents and huts and settlements must have been
soul revealing to the early Dylans and Freuds.

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> all is equal, all unequal
> part
> completing each other

> Is mathematics language, a language, a form
> of language? This old question found an answer.
> Mathematics may be regarded as a corner in the
> triangular definition of language (as given in part 1).
> Also computer code is language, close to the
> mathematical corner, connecting people and their
> computers, machines being extensions of body
> and mind:

>   people - machines - code - machines - people

> Art is another corner of the language triangle.
> Song and dance, music, literature and painting
> - all sorts of visual and auditory and other sensual
> messages - are forms of language.

> Goethe, in his Diary of the Italian Journey, mentions
> an 'ever turning key' which I identified as his formula
> 'all is equal, all unequal' that he applied in his studies
> of the metamorphoses of plants and animals, and
> of visual art. In a later essay he wrote a wonderful
> passage on symmety and symmetry breaking:

>   Alles, was uns daher als Zierde ansprechen soll,
>   muss gegliedert sein, und zwar im höheren Sinne,
>   dass es aus Teilen bestehe, die sich wechselsweise
>   aufeinander beziehen. Hiezu wird erfordert, dass es
>   eine Mitte habe, ein Oben und Unten, ein Hüben
>   und Drüben, woraus zuerst Symmetrie entsteht,
>   welche, wenn sie dem Verstande völlig fasslich bleibt,
>   die Zierde auf der geringsten Stufe genannt werden kann.
>   Je mannigfaltiger dann aber die Glieder werden, und je
>   mehr jene anfängliche Symmetrie, verflochten, versteckt,
>   in Gegensätzen abgewechselt, als ein offenbares
>   Geheimnis vor unsern Augen steht, desto angenehmer
>   wird die Zierde sein, und ganz vollkommen, wenn wir
>   an jene ersten Grundlagen dabei nicht mehr denken,
>   sondern als von einem Willkürlichen und Zufälligen
>   überrascht werden.

> I won't dare translate these lines, but render them
> in my own words, along the use I made of them in
> interpreting several paintings (turning the key, playing
> the game of equal unequal). Mathematical symmetry
> based on the equation  a = a  requires a center,
> a left and right, an above and below that mirror each
> other. This mathematical symmetry is decorative on
> the lowest level. Higher levels are obtained by varying
> the sides, and the above and below. The more variations
> come together, hiding the initial symmetry, the more
> pleasing the picture will be ... I may add the element
> of completion: all is equal, all unequal, in such a way
> that the sides and elements complete each other
> and form an entirety, at least in a great work of art.
> And this organization - the arrangement and functioning
> of the parts within the whole, on the most abstract level -
> is what we call soul in a living being, a term as real
> as information on the mathematical side.

> Allow me one more prediction. If John Archibald Wheeler
> was right and all of physics will one day be rendered in
> terms of information, the concept of the soul will emerge
> as a physical category and organization principle, useful
> in arranging information. Compiling vast masses of data
> will become a serious problem. Studying art will help
> solve that problem.

> --------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----

> > all is equal, all unequal
> > part 3
> > contrapposto

> > Our teacher of ancient Greek was a fan of Greek art
> > and placed pictures of sculptures in the showcase.
> > I remember having spent hours on a pencil drawing
> > from a beautiful marble head of a woman, and I fell
> > in love with one of the Korae of the Erechtheion on
> > the acropolis of Athens. Our teacher of Greek spoke
> > about the contrapposto: the human body appears
> > symmetrical, while variations in the pose, often
> > along a curved axis, make a sculpture more lively.
> > One day in 1965 we read a poem by Archilochos.
> > Two lines are missing, we were told; I don't remember
> > whether at the end or the beginning. I used the principle
> > of the contrapposto in order to reconstruct the missing
> > lines that should mirror the beginning or the end while
> > there should also be a difference that summarizes
> > what happens in the poem (or in a good movie, as I
> > was to find out later). My reconstruction of the missing
> > lines was convinving, although not in ancient Greek.

> > Ten years later I began reading Goethe and soon found
> > what I call his world formula: "Alles ist gleich, alles
> > ungleich (...)" in Maximen und Reflexionen, also in the
> > novel Wilhelm Meisters Wanderjahre, Aus Makariens
> > Archiv, at the end of the novel, but originally planned
> > for the middle: all is equal, all unequal ... I was delighted,
> > for this was the shortest possible way of rendering the
> > contrapposto, most generally, and meeting my study of
> > the basic mathematical equation .

> > In around 1980, when physicists hoped to complete the
> > 'zoo' of elementary particles, I predicted that this won't
> > happen, because the really elementary particles obey
> > the formula  e = e = e = e = e = e = e = ... that names
> > only the equal while leaving out the unequal. Meanwhile
> > I dare say that cosmology, based on an atomic world,
> > unavoidably encounters 'spooky' phenomena such as
> > entanglement and non-locality, greetings from the
> > other side of logic, as it were. We may well count with
> > further cosmological revolutions, and the last word
> > about the fate of the universe has not yet been said,
> > will never be said, actually.

> > Galilei called mathematics the language of nature.
> > God may be able to understand all of the world in
> > mathematical terms. Our mathematical knowledge
> > is and will be limited. For us, there is always a beyond
> > of mathematics, an unequal to the equal, and an equal
> > to the unequal.

> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------

> > > all is equal, all unequal
> > > part 2
> > > mathematics

> > > On my 21st birthday, in 1970, I got a book on the
> > > philosophy of quantum mechanics. It contained
> > > an intriguing footnote saying that the basic equation
> > > of mathematics  p = p  had not yet been examined.
> > > In 1974/75 I found an answer. Mathematics ponders
> > > the properties and relations of ideal objects that
> > > fully satisfy the equation  a = a  meaning that an
> > > ideal object 'a' is perfectly identical with another
> > > or any other ideal object 'a', and that an ideal object
> > > 'a' remains unchanged forever. Not so in the real
> > > world. An apple is an apple, yet one apple may be
> > > read and sweet, another green and sour, and what
> > > if the apple is eaten? Mathematical equations can be
> > > interpreted in a technical context:

> > >   b = b = b = b = b = b = ...

> > > If the bricks 'b' have the same consistency, form and
> > > size, a wall is easily built

> > >   b = b

> > > and if each brick remains the same, keeps its consistency,
> > > form and size, does neither soak in the rain nor crack in
> > > the summer heat, the wall will stand.

> > >   9 = 3 + 2 + 4 = 9

> > > A machine (9) can be dismantled (3, 2, 4) and reassembled
> > > (9), either for the purpose of repairing, or cleaning.

> > >   1 = 0.999...

> > > A door (0.999...) and the door frame (1) must match,
> > > or else the door is jammed, or there is a draught.

> > >  3 + 0.999... + 6 = 10 = 3 + 0.999... + 6

> > > If you close the door (0.999...) it becomes part of the wall (10),
> > > but then you can open the door again (3 + 0.999... + 6).

> > > I invented numerous technical situations to a variety
> > > of simple equations, and over the years I saw my belief
> > > confirmed: mathematics may be regarded as the logic
> > > of building and maintaining. It is not a lucky coincidence
> > > that mathematical discoveries lead to technical inventions,
> > > the other way round: mathematics, being the logic of
> > > building and maintaining, of technics, paves the way
> > > for technology.

> > > (to be continued)

> > > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- ­---


 
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