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Yusuf B Gursey  
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 More options Jul 22 2003, 6:19 pm
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian, sci.lang, sci.archaeology, soc.culture.pakistan
From: Yusuf B Gursey <y...@TheWorld.com>
Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2003 22:19:10 +0000 (UTC)
Local: Tues, Jul 22 2003 6:19 pm
Subject: Re: Language/Culture of the Mughalic Court
In sci.lang I Support Operation Infinity Justice <cc1500heroho...@rediffmail.com> wrote in <b0a0fcbc.0307221213.70626...@posting.google.com>:
: i realize with 100% certainty that the mughals of india (from around
: 1500 - 1857 AD) were the descendants of altaic speaking people such as
: tamerlane and genghis khan (altaic:mongolian).  to this day, there are

timur was quite turkified, though from an originally mongolian tribe (that
by the time of timur had become turkified).

during the timurids, tajiks (persian speaking) formed the bureaucracy, so
persian was used in the adminstration, alongside some turkic.

: many loan words in india from the altaic family of languages:
: paneer - from "peynir" - means cheese
: duniya - from "duniye" - means world
: urdu   - from "ordu"   - means camp, army, or horde

pani:r is persian for "cheese" and a lw. in turkish as peynir.

dunya: is arabic, found as a lw. in persian and many turkic languages

urdu from ordu is turkic.

: however, i've read that the court language of northern india at that
: time spoke farsi.  moreover, i heard that most of the mughalic army
: were persians and/or ethnic afghanis.

: why weren't there more altaic-speaking (turkic speaking) people in
: india at the time, given that there were many turkish empires within

perhaps because india wasn't attractive enough for turkic speaking
pastoralists and nomads.

: india: turkish sultanates, lodhi dynasty, and the mughals?  why and
: how did persian and/or pastho supplant altaic (turkic) culture,
: language, and population within india at the time (assuming that *if*
: persion and/or pashto supplanted altaic)?  finally, given that there
: has been very many turkic incursions in india, did this leave a turkic
: influence on india?


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