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Arnaud F.
Oct 13, 2012, 4:51:05 AM10/13/12
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Hey Brian, old bastard, do you remember you once wrote you trust more other people than me, now listen I've made an interesting discovery.
I've long been saying that the Finno-centric reconstruction of PU is false. I've suggested on the basis of Yukaghir and NaDene that some back vowels of the Finno-centric reconstruction were in fact front vowels.
An example is Finnish kuu , Mordvin kow, Northern Erzya koN but Yukaghir kiN "month, moon"
I found an internal proof of that: Moksha tjadde "this year",
this is to be analyzed as:
tja "this"
vd "year"
de "case-marker"
Moksha Mordvin no longer has vowel harmony, BUT in that precise fossil word, we have a front vowel allomorph -de of present-day -da,
This shows that at some point the word vd "year" had a front vowel.
Finnish vuosi (vuod-)
This word did not have a front vowel in PU.
This is not *od but iid-
Incidentally Latin iiduus also has a long ii.
Got it, Brian?
A.
I've long been saying that the Finno-centric reconstruction of PU is false. I've suggested on the basis of Yukaghir and NaDene that some back vowels of the Finno-centric reconstruction were in fact front vowels.
An example is Finnish kuu , Mordvin kow, Northern Erzya koN but Yukaghir kiN "month, moon"
I found an internal proof of that: Moksha tjadde "this year",
this is to be analyzed as:
tja "this"
vd "year"
de "case-marker"
Moksha Mordvin no longer has vowel harmony, BUT in that precise fossil word, we have a front vowel allomorph -de of present-day -da,
This shows that at some point the word vd "year" had a front vowel.
Finnish vuosi (vuod-)
This word did not have a front vowel in PU.
This is not *od but iid-
Incidentally Latin iiduus also has a long ii.
Got it, Brian?
A.
Yusuf B Gursey
Oct 13, 2012, 5:31:30 AM10/13/12
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On Oct 13, 4:51 am, "Arnaud F." <fournet.arn...@wanadoo.fr> wrote:
> Hey Brian, old bastard, do you remember you once wrote you trust more other people than me, now listen I've made an interesting discovery.
>
> I've long been saying that the Finno-centric reconstruction of PU is false. I've suggested on the basis of Yukaghir and NaDene that some back vowels of the Finno-centric reconstruction were in fact front vowels.
> An example is Finnish kuu , Mordvin kow, Northern Erzya koN but Yukaghir kiN "month, moon"
>
> I found an internal proof of that: Moksha tjadde "this year",
> this is to be analyzed as:
> tja "this"
> vd "year"
> de "case-marker"
>
which case?
> Hey Brian, old bastard, do you remember you once wrote you trust more other people than me, now listen I've made an interesting discovery.
>
> I've long been saying that the Finno-centric reconstruction of PU is false. I've suggested on the basis of Yukaghir and NaDene that some back vowels of the Finno-centric reconstruction were in fact front vowels.
> An example is Finnish kuu , Mordvin kow, Northern Erzya koN but Yukaghir kiN "month, moon"
>
> I found an internal proof of that: Moksha tjadde "this year",
> this is to be analyzed as:
> tja "this"
> vd "year"
> de "case-marker"
>
Arnaud F.
Oct 13, 2012, 8:04:39 AM10/13/12
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Le samedi 13 octobre 2012 11:31:30 UTC+2, Yusuf B Gursey a écrit :
> On Oct 13, 4:51 am, "Arnaud F." <fournet.arn...@wanadoo.fr> wrote:
>
> > I found an internal proof of that: Moksha tjadde "this year",
>
> > this is to be analyzed as:
>
> > tja "this"
>
> > vd "year"
>
> > de "case-marker"
>
> >
>
>
>
> which case?
>
***
> On Oct 13, 4:51 am, "Arnaud F." <fournet.arn...@wanadoo.fr> wrote:
>
> > I found an internal proof of that: Moksha tjadde "this year",
>
> > this is to be analyzed as:
>
> > tja "this"
>
> > vd "year"
>
> > de "case-marker"
>
> >
>
>
>
> which case?
>
It's Ablative case,
normally it means "from" when used with places.
A.
Yusuf B Gursey
Oct 13, 2012, 12:13:06 PM10/13/12
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119-27 Hungaro-Turcica. Studies in Honor of Julius Németh,
edited by Gy. Káldy-Nagy, (Budapest 1976) reprinted "Essays in
Comparative Altaic Linguistics" Denois Sinor 1990
Old Turkic and Khalaj locative - ablative -de / -da (later Turkic has -
da / de locative, -dan / den ablative)
Yusuf B Gursey
Oct 13, 2012, 5:00:09 PM10/13/12
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