Imperialist war-mongering through language

[anal...@hotmail.com]

NYT headline

"Kurds Prepare to Pursue More Autonomy in a Fallen Syria"

The main story:

"Some in the long divided and oppressed ethnic group are getting ready
to fight for an autonomous region in the event that President Bashar
al-Assad’s government falls"

The headline seems ambiguous, suggesting that Syria has alrady fallen.

[Harlan Messinger]

Your subject line seems to suggest that your message would have been
about imperalist war-mongering.

[Peter T. Daniels]

On Sep 29, 8:10 am, "analys...@hotmail.com" <analys...@hotmail.com>
wrote:

No -- it says that "fallen Syria" is the contingency that is being
"prepare"d for.

This is headlinese, not ordinary prose.

[anal...@hotmail.com]

I think "a fallen Syria" allows the subjunctive interpretation where
as "fallen Syria" can only mean Syria has already fallen. They could
have said instead of

"Kurds Prepare to Pursue More Autonomy in a Fallen Syria"

"Kurds Prepare to Pursue More autonomy, were Syria to fall"

Which is only one letter longer.

The NY Times is a mouthpiece for warmongering and I am sure the
ambiguity was intended (imprinting the false notion in the minds of
folks in Peoria etc.)

[Arnaud F.]

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Americans are assholes,

the intended meaning is that the rest should not care.

Strive to do so,

and please shut the fuck up.

A.

[anal...@hotmail.com]

I thought turning heads of state out of the seat of government and
hunting them about in the countryside went out in medieval times - but
Americans have brought it back into the 21st century.

American barbarism is omnipresent and carried out so casually that it
has become (cliche alert) "the new normal".

> the intended meaning is that the rest should not care.
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> Strive to do so,
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> and please shut the fuck up.
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[Harlan Messinger]

The false notion of what? That Syria has already fallen? Why would the
New York Times use a headline to plant a false notion that the story is
going to dispel five second later?

I won't even begin to ask you why you think the Times is a "mouthpiece
for warmongering".

[anal...@hotmail.com]

On Sep 29, 1:15 pm, Harlan Messinger <h.rem...@gavelcade.com> wrote:

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Go look at the NYT NOW around 1:41 p.m. Sept 29 2012

"Kurds to Pursue More Autonomy if Syrian Regime Falls"

Humble pie available on request.

Are NYTers reading this ng. ?

[anal...@hotmail.com]

On Sep 29, 1:44 pm, "analys...@hotmail.com" <analys...@hotmail.com>

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But then, if you click the changed front page headline, you land at a
page that still says

"Kurds Prepare to Pursue More Autonomy in a Fallen Syria

By TIM ARANGO
Published: September 28, 2012"

without a date stamp of yesterday without a timestamp.

Its not clear what game they are playing.

[Harlan Messinger]

Oh, yes, they must be playing a game. Even their corporate mission
statement reads, "We will take no action but for the purpose of feeding
conspiracy theories of paranoid cranks."

[anal...@hotmail.com]

On Sep 29, 3:28 pm, Harlan Messinger <h.rem...@gavelcade.com> wrote:

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Nice misdirection.

Humble pie still available on the langauge issue. Th political issue
was just venting on my part that wouldn't make an iota of difference
in the world.

[Harlan Messinger]

In what way is a comment that is directly on-point a misdirection?

> Humble pie still available on the langauge issue. Th political
> issue was just venting on my part that wouldn't make an iota of
> difference in the world.

In what way is "humble pie" pertinent to the chain of events here?

You have an incredible tendency to perceive undercurrents to your
interactions with others that just aren't there.