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Bohgosity BumaskiL  
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 More options Jan 26 2012, 3:52 am
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From: Bohgosity BumaskiL <brewh...@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca>
Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2012 01:52:36 -0700
Local: Thurs, Jan 26 2012 3:52 am
Subject: ASCII and Shavian literals
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Please excuse me if my map iz not complete,
or if you think it iz anglocentric.
It should include all of the European sounds.
Any amendments you could sujest might go into
another page of
http://edmc.net/~brewhaha/font/fonoglif.pdf 1.28 MB
(my apologies for not making that efficient with
shaded fills, and I do what I can with software
I know)
when I am confident that it iz correct, or at least
clear and unambiguous.
Substantial differences are between this and
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shavian .
That iz because agreements sometimes oppose fact
and actually create confusion. At least that iz
my view of IPA on that noise.
/j/ iz not a vowel! It iz a voiced palatal stop.

          Shavian Name
Soft and Hard Vowels in alternation (+schwa)
/a/  Ah   Ash
/A/  Ay   Age
/e/  Eh   Egg
/E/  Ee   EAt
/i/  Ih   If
/oE/ awEE Ice
/o/  Aw   On or AWe (Albertan)
/O/  Oh   OAk
/u/  Uh   Up
/U/  UU   OOze
/@/  Oo   wOOl

Semivowels
/L/  Lay  LoLL
/y/  Yeh  Yea
/h/  Hai  Ha-ha
/w/  Waw  Woe
/r/  Ruu  RoaR

Nasals
/m/  aM   MiMe    Labial
/n/  iN   NuN     Dental
/ng/ ung  huNG    Glottal

Voiced Hisses
/v/  Vuu  Vow     Labial
/D/  Dhoh THey    Dental
/z/  Zai  Zoo
/Z/  Zhee meaSure Palatal
/Q/  Qay          Glottal or Growl (no Shavian equiv.)

Whispered Hisses
/f/  Fuh  Fee     Labial
/T/  Thaw THigh   Dental
/s/  Sih  So
/S/  Sheh Sure    Palatal
/X/  Xah  buCH    Glottal

Voiced Stops
/b/  Bay  BiB     Labial
/d/  Dee  DeaD    Dental
/j/  Joh  JuJ     Palatal
/g/  Guu  GaG     Glottal

Whispered Stops
/p/  Pah  PeeP    Labial
/t/  Teh  ToT     Dental
/C/  Chaw CHurCH  Palatal
/k/  Kuh  KicK    Glottal

My font haz no reprezentation for the subtle vowels that intervene
between /r/, /l/, and vowels. Shavian does, but "array" iz not
pronounced with a schwa, for example of an error in wikipedia.
That would make it sound like @ray.
_______
http://ecn.ab.ca/~brewhaha/font/ Phonics and Phonoglyphs
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Bohgosity BumaskiL  
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 More options Jan 26 2012, 5:15 am
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From: Bohgosity BumaskiL <brewh...@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca>
Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2012 03:15:00 -0700
Subject: Re: ASCII and Shavian literals
"Array" duz not sound laik "Hooray" (without dhee aych).
Am I alone in thinking that IPA iz more kunfyuuzing dhan
Shavian names?

 
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Athel Cornish-Bowden  
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 More options Jan 26 2012, 8:54 am
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From: Athel Cornish-Bowden <athel...@yahoo.co.uk>
Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2012 14:54:36 +0100
Local: Thurs, Jan 26 2012 8:54 am
Subject: Re: ASCII and Shavian literals
On 2012-01-26 11:15:00 +0100, Bohgosity BumaskiL
<brewh...@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca> said:

> "Array" duz not sound laik "Hooray" (without dhee aych).

It does when I say them.

> Am I alone in thinking that IPA iz more kunfyuuzing dhan
> Shavian names?

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António Marques  
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 More options Jan 26 2012, 12:11 pm
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From: António Marques <antonio...@sapo.pt>
Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2012 17:11:21 +0000
Local: Thurs, Jan 26 2012 12:11 pm
Subject: Re: ASCII and Shavian literals
Bohgosity BumaskiL wrote (26-01-2012 08:52):

> Please excuse me if my map iz not complete,
> or if you think it iz anglocentric.

Oice? oop? Geazers.

 
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Nathan Sanders  
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 More options Jan 26 2012, 4:32 pm
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From: Nathan Sanders <sand...@alum.mit.edu>
Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2012 16:32:20 -0500
Local: Thurs, Jan 26 2012 4:32 pm
Subject: Re: ASCII and Shavian literals
In article <9ocndaFbq...@mid.individual.net>,
 Bohgosity BumaskiL <brewh...@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca> wrote:

> "Array" duz not sound laik "Hooray" (without dhee aych).

> Am I alone in thinking that IPA iz more kunfyuuzing dhan
> Shavian names?

I think what's confusing is that you use:

     <I> in "I" but <ai> in "like"
     <dh> in "the" but <th> in "that"
     <z> in "is" but <s> in "names"
     <ay> in "aitch" but <a_e> in "names"

even though the members of each pair represent the same sound.

There's not really much point in replacing English spelling if you're
going to be half-assed about it.

Nathan

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Swarthmore College
http://sanders.phonologist.org/


 
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Bohgosity BumaskiL  
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 More options Jan 26 2012, 8:26 pm
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From: Bohgosity BumaskiL <brewh...@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca>
Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2012 18:26:28 -0700
Local: Thurs, Jan 26 2012 8:26 pm
Subject: Re: ASCII and Shavian literals

Some of my reforms stick with me when I switch modes, and I've been
on mailing lists where people complained about "iz". It's good to
know that I might still hav a reader if I were to be rigorous.

liik
dhuh
dhat
naymz
Hawee

On 2012-01-26 2:32 PM, Nathan Sanders wrote:


 
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 More options Jan 26 2012, 10:02 pm
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From: Bohgosity BumaskiL <brewh...@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca>
Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2012 20:02:33 -0700
Local: Thurs, Jan 26 2012 10:02 pm
Subject: Re: ASCII and Shavian literals
On 2012-01-26 2:32 PM, Nathan Sanders wrote:

Some of my reforms stick with me when I switch modes, and I've been
on mailing lists where people complained about "iz". It's good to
know that I might still hav a reader if I were to be rigorous.

liik
dhuh
dhat
naymz
Hawee


 
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