Illyrian-Albanian prefix d-
Abdullah Konushevci
have noticed that we have to deal with prefixed form d-unj-as (for
suffix -as cf. Mamuras, Përrenjas, Bishkas), where -unj- is oldest
form of Alb ujë 'water'. Same prefix I have noticed also in Alb place-
name Vau i Dejës 'Deja's Ford', attested form dain-ja, lat. Daigna,
where d- is also prefix, as we could see from Ain-ona/Aen-ona. Same
root we notice in Alb place-name Bar-aina etc.
Having in mind that we have for nasalized zero-grade form of *reiH-
'to flow, run' the form *rin- and suffixed forms *ril- and *rei-wo- I
came to conclusion that Illyrian/Alb river names Drinus, Drilon are
indeed prefixed form d- + ril- and d- + rin- as well as Drivastum
(mod. Drisht) from d- + riv-astum. For the form Drilon and Drivastum
exists also other prefixed forms K-ril-evë and K-riv-açë.
Same phenomenon I have noticed in Illyrian fortess name Dabanos (Proc.
De aed. IV, 4), that seems by all chances to be a prefixed form d- ab
'water'-anos, attested also in Dardanian place-names Dabesh-ec, Dab-in-
oc, Dab-koc and brook-name Dab-oc.
Prefix d- in Albanian has intensifying function: rojë 'guard', d-rojë
'dismay, shyness', dboj 'expel, banish' (cf. zboj 'id.'), dborë
'snow', besides borë 'id.', zborës, dlir 'to purify' from adj. i lirë
'free', dvarr 'to hurt, wound' (cf. Alb. varrë 'wound') etc.
So, to conclude: d- + root
*rin- > Illyrian/Albanian river name Drinum
*ril- > Illyrian/Albanian revers name Drilon, Drilo (cf. also above K-
ril-evë)
*rei-wo- > Illyrian/Albanian river name Drivastum (cf. also above K-
riv-açë)
*ab- > Illyrian/Albanian Dabanos (cf. also above Dab-anos, Dab-oc, Dab-
inoc, Dab-koc)
*roi-na: > Illyrian/Albanian river names Dren-ica, Dren-oc etc.
Konushevci
Dušan Vukotic
wrote:
First, what is the meaning of the supposed prefix d-? It seems that
Albanians (or confabulated Illyrians) didn't know why they put the
sound 'd' in front of a certain word, for instance in front of D-riva-
stum. As far as I know there is no Albanian form *rin with the meaning
of river or flow (Alb. lumë /river/ is a loan word from Latin flumen
and rrëke /flow/ is a clear-cut borrowing from Serb-Slavic 'reka' /
river/). Usin the above Abdulah's bucolic etymological methodology, we
could also say that D-riva-stum might be a prefixed Italian
'riva' (bank, river). In fact, if we follow the similar method of
deduction we might be able to prove whatever we want and there would
be no language in the world that could not be the 'omnipotent parent'.
Is there anyone among the celebrated lnguage experts on sci.lang who
is able to detect this simple and primitive Abdullah's Albano-Illyrian
"derivation"? Drivost or Drivast was a town situated between Scadar
and Prizren and its name is a clear Slavic derivation from the Slavic
noun 'drvo' (tree); Serb. drvenast, drvast, drven (made of tree, tree-
like) and Russian деревня/derevna (village) acquired its name thanks
to the tree material that usually was used for building (construction)
of houses.
Drina is also a clear-cut Serb_Slavic name derived from odron (slide,
landslide, avalanche), o-droniti (slide, swoop); hence Serbian compund
word VODO-DERINA (gully). Of course, there are other Serbian words
like o-deran (torn), deranje (tear; the act of tearing). Any average
intelligent person (with a little effort) could find a lot of cognates
(beside English tear) in other IE languages (except in Albanian, of
course, where tear is 'grisje'; a loanword from Serbian gristi, grize /
gnaw, bite/).
DV
Dušan Vukotic
http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/cybalist/message/50899
[...Except akru versus d-akru 'tear' we have also Mycean dektu-. Greek
diktoum 'net' from *H1ekt-: Hitt. e:kt-, Skt aksu- and maybe Alb otra*
'strong and heavy twine', otresh 'iron peg or ring' < *eH1kt-ra. (In a
cluster of two stops the first is lost: *nokWt- > Alb. natë 'night'.)
Konushevci...]
It seems Abdullah is trying to say that Greek δίκτυον (net) is a d-
prefixed word, obviously not taking in consideration the fact that
this word has been derived from the verb δικειν (throw). Greek δικειν
could be compared to Serb. dignuti (lift) or hitnuti (throw). All
these words originated from the reduplicated Gon paleo-basis. Even the
English noun net is coming from the same Gon-Gon source (knead; Serb.
gnjeti; Eng. knit = Serb. snuti /knit/, Serb. nit /yarn, thread/ ). In
reality, the primeval Gon syllable was a "raw material", from which
all the basic words (those that "describe" movement) were
"coined" (Eng. go; Greek κίνηση /movement/, Ger. gehen, Serb. goniti /
hunt, chase, go/, gaziti /go, step, walk/; Skt. gacchati, hanti,
kasati /go/).
Imagine what net, need, nettle, needle, knit and nation have in
commen? Any nation has grown up from the woman's lap (Gr. γόνατα lap,
γυνη woman; Lat. gnatus => natus born). Greek γόνατα also means knee
(genus) and that genus is clearly related to the Serbian noun noga
(leg) and the verb nagoniti (drive, force). The English word need
(erstwhile meaning "violence, force") is originally connected to the
Germanic word *hunt and Serbian nagoniti (drive, force; cf. Serbian
snaga /power, force/) as well as it is indirectly related to Serbian
noga (leg) and English knee (genus).
Grek δάκρυ is extremely difficult word and it is hard to say if this
word is d- prefixed or not. It is not impossible that dakru somehow
appeared from the Greek word ρέιν, ρυάκι, ροή (flow, stream; Serb.
reka river, roniti suze shed the tears, kiša roni/rominja it is
raining; cf. Serb. rominja-ti drizzling and Greek ρεύμα creek,
stream). Nevertheless, there is another Greek word that could help us
to unveil the history of δάκρυ (tear); it is the word δρόσος (dew; cf.
Serb. rosa dew).
*Albanian otra (strong and heavy twine) is a loanword from Serbian
natra (a weaving loom) where the initial 'n' has been lost.
phog...@abo.fi
>
>
> Is there anyone among the celebrated lnguage experts on sci.lang who
> is able to detect this simple and primitive Abdullah's Albano-Illyrian
> "derivation"?
No, we are actually all quite convinced that you are wrong, that you
are a joke, and that Abdullah is a bona fide expert. If you have any
questions regarding Albanian or Illyrian, ask him.
Dušan Vukotic
Who do you think are "we"?
DV
DV
Dušan Vukotic
> questions regarding Albanian or Illyrian, ask him.
Abdullah is frightened to death of my posts! ;-) He occupied a
nonexistent Quasi-Illyrian hiding place... Now he is watching his
feeble Shqip-Illyrian dying unable to do anything for its salvation.
DV
phog...@abo.fi
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Trond Engen
> On Dec 17, 12:00 pm, phogl...@abo.fi wrote:
>
>> No, we are actually all quite convinced that you are wrong, that you
>> are a joke, and that Abdullah is a bona fide expert.
>
> Who do you think are "we"?
>
> DV
>
> DV
No, you can't outnumber anyone, Dvošan.
--
Trond Engen
- When you need somebody to count on, take one with a polar disorder.
phog...@abo.fi
Rroftë Shqipëria!
phog...@abo.fi
>
> > If you have any
> > questions regarding Albanian or Illyrian, ask him.
>
> Abdullah is frightened to death of my posts! ;-)
The fact that you are a Serbian nationalist, along with the fact that
Serbian nationalists have a reputation of killing Albanians and people
called Abdullah, might have something to do with it, mightn't it?
Dušan Vukotic
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Long Live Serbia!
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Long Live... Everyone!
DV
Dušan Vukotic
It seems you misunderstood my question?
DV
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Dušan Vukotic
> What about the slavic words
> de-lni and d-lani "palm of hand"
> Is there a IE language where
> la- could be a acceptable root for "hand, palm of hand" ?
> Arnaud
Above is another interesting question posted on Cyba_Cave_List.
The fact is, Serbo-Slavic dlan (palm of a hand; the inner surface of
the hand from the wrist to the base of the fingers) is do- prefixed
word, born from the Gon-Bel-Gon basis. In my previous post on the
"Illyrian prefix an-" thread I mentioned the Serbian words dubina
(from dubljina <= du/n/b/l/ina), dumbina => tavno, tamno, tmina
(darkness; from du/n/bina => du/m/bina => tmina/tamno /dark/) and
tonjenje (sinking; from tonlenje; cf. Serb. utonuti /submerge/
utopljenje /water choking, drowning/ and davljenje (strangulation,
drowning).
A great number of Slavic and IE words in general appeared from the Gon-
Bel-Gon basis. Above mentioned Serbian dub/lj/ina (deepness) is the
source of the Serbian adjective udubljen (concave) and udubljenje
(recession, pit, niche). It is quite logical because there is no depth/
deepness (Serb. dubina) without recess or an inward bending (cancave
shape).
Finally, that udubljenje (concavity) became Serbian dolja (Eng. dell;
from du/b/lja), DOLINA (valley; from du/b/lina) and the Serbian word
DLAN (formed by a last assimilation; primal agglutination Gon-Bel-Gon
=> Gublina (Russ. glubina depth) => Dublina => Dubina (depth); and
Dublina => Dolina (valey) => Dlan (palm of a hand).
I can bet that Irish Dublin is semantically and morphologically the
same word as Serbian PN Dublje, Doljani, Dupljani (Serb. duplja
cavity, hollow).