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Lanarcam
May 11, 2012, 3:59:25 PM5/11/12
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"Ne laissez pas la réalité endiguer un débat
philosophique de haute volée".
L'idée est que certains (les Français, parait-il) ne se
laissent pas distraire par les éléments de réalité qui
pourrait compromettre la teneur d'un débat philosophique
sur des sujets nobles.
The idea is that some (French people some say) don't
let themselves distracted by elements of reality which
could derail a high minded philosophical debate about
noble subjects.
I think that France is one of the rare countries where
philosophy is taught to all pupils in the final year
of the "lycée". They even teach psychanalyse without
mentionning that it is contested worldwide by all
kinds of competent practitionners. But that doesn't
deter them from teaching you what you should believe.
Excuse my rant!
philosophique de haute volée".
L'idée est que certains (les Français, parait-il) ne se
laissent pas distraire par les éléments de réalité qui
pourrait compromettre la teneur d'un débat philosophique
sur des sujets nobles.
The idea is that some (French people some say) don't
let themselves distracted by elements of reality which
could derail a high minded philosophical debate about
noble subjects.
I think that France is one of the rare countries where
philosophy is taught to all pupils in the final year
of the "lycée". They even teach psychanalyse without
mentionning that it is contested worldwide by all
kinds of competent practitionners. But that doesn't
deter them from teaching you what you should believe.
Excuse my rant!
Evertjan.
May 12, 2012, 5:44:44 PM5/12/12
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Lanarcam wrote on 11 mei 2012 in sci.lang.translation:
> The idea is that some (French people some say) don't
>> certains (les Français, parait-il)
> The idea is that some (French people some say) don't
... some people (the French, apparently) ...
> let themselves distracted by elements of reality which
>> ne se laissent pas distraire
... don't let themselves _be_ distracted ...
"elements of reality" is [also?] a quantum mechanical concept:
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EPR_paradox>
Phylosphically, reality seems to me to be a unit
that cannot be divided in different elements
but this reality could be conceptually diverse.
... by concepts of reality, that ...
> could derail a high minded philosophical debate about
> noble subjects.
"Noble subjects" = peers of the realm.
[Dukes, Marquesse, Earls, Viscounts, Barons, Baronets]
2
A derail = a device used to prevent fouling of a track by unauthorized
movements of trains or unattended rolling stock. ;-)
... could jeopardise a philosophical debate about honorable topics ..
> high minded philosophical debate
high minded = noble ;-)
>> un débat philosophique de haute volée
... a superior philosophical discussion ...
--
Evertjan.
The Netherlands.
(Please change the x'es to dots in my emailaddress)
Lanarcam
May 13, 2012, 3:35:15 AM5/13/12
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Le 12/05/2012 23:44, Evertjan. a écrit :
> Lanarcam wrote on 11 mei 2012 in sci.lang.translation:
>
>> The idea is that some (French people some say) don't
>
>>> certains (les Français, parait-il)
>
> ... some people (the French, apparently) ...
>
>> let themselves distracted by elements of reality which
>
>>> ne se laissent pas distraire
>
> ... don't let themselves _be_ distracted ...
>
> "elements of reality" is [also?] a quantum mechanical concept:
> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EPR_paradox>
>
> Phylosphically, reality seems to me to be a unit
> that cannot be divided in different elements
> but this reality could be conceptually diverse.
>
> ... by concepts of reality, that ...
What I meant was "facts (about reality)"
> Lanarcam wrote on 11 mei 2012 in sci.lang.translation:
>
>> The idea is that some (French people some say) don't
>
>>> certains (les Français, parait-il)
>
> ... some people (the French, apparently) ...
>
>> let themselves distracted by elements of reality which
>
>>> ne se laissent pas distraire
>
> ... don't let themselves _be_ distracted ...
>
> "elements of reality" is [also?] a quantum mechanical concept:
> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EPR_paradox>
>
> Phylosphically, reality seems to me to be a unit
> that cannot be divided in different elements
> but this reality could be conceptually diverse.
>
> ... by concepts of reality, that ...
>
>
>> could derail a high minded philosophical debate about
>> noble subjects.
>
> 1
> "Noble subjects" = peers of the realm.
> [Dukes, Marquesse, Earls, Viscounts, Barons, Baronets]
>
> 2
> A derail = a device used to prevent fouling of a track by unauthorized
> movements of trains or unattended rolling stock. ;-)
>
> ... could jeopardise a philosophical debate about honorable topics ..
>
>> high minded philosophical debate
>
> high minded = noble ;-)
>
>>> un débat philosophique de haute volée
>
> perhaps:
>
> ... a superior philosophical discussion ...
>
Thanks for your suggestion.
>
>> could derail a high minded philosophical debate about
>> noble subjects.
>
> 1
> "Noble subjects" = peers of the realm.
> [Dukes, Marquesse, Earls, Viscounts, Barons, Baronets]
>
> 2
> A derail = a device used to prevent fouling of a track by unauthorized
> movements of trains or unattended rolling stock. ;-)
>
> ... could jeopardise a philosophical debate about honorable topics ..
>
>> high minded philosophical debate
>
> high minded = noble ;-)
>
>>> un débat philosophique de haute volée
>
> perhaps:
>
> ... a superior philosophical discussion ...
>
>
Athel Cornish-Bowden
May 13, 2012, 9:10:56 AM5/13/12
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On 2012-05-12 21:44:44 +0000, Evertjan. said:
> Lanarcam wrote on 11 mei 2012 in sci.lang.translation:
>
>> The idea is that some (French people some say) don't
>
>>> certains (les Français, parait-il)
>
> ... some people (the French, apparently) ...
>
>> let themselves distracted by elements of reality which
>
>>> ne se laissent pas distraire
>
> ... don't let themselves _be_ distracted ...
>
> "elements of reality" is [also?] a quantum mechanical concept:
> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EPR_paradox>
>
> Phylosphically, reality seems to me to be a unit
> that cannot be divided in different elements
> but this reality could be conceptually diverse.
>
> ... by concepts of reality, that ...
>
>
>> could derail a high minded philosophical debate about
>> noble subjects.
>
> 1
> "Noble subjects" = peers of the realm.
> [Dukes, Marquesse, Earls, Viscounts, Barons, Baronets]
I'll be very surprised if that's the intended meaning here. Surely
> Lanarcam wrote on 11 mei 2012 in sci.lang.translation:
>
>> The idea is that some (French people some say) don't
>
>>> certains (les Français, parait-il)
>
> ... some people (the French, apparently) ...
>
>> let themselves distracted by elements of reality which
>
>>> ne se laissent pas distraire
>
> ... don't let themselves _be_ distracted ...
>
> "elements of reality" is [also?] a quantum mechanical concept:
> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EPR_paradox>
>
> Phylosphically, reality seems to me to be a unit
> that cannot be divided in different elements
> but this reality could be conceptually diverse.
>
> ... by concepts of reality, that ...
>
>
>> could derail a high minded philosophical debate about
>> noble subjects.
>
> 1
> "Noble subjects" = peers of the realm.
> [Dukes, Marquesse, Earls, Viscounts, Barons, Baronets]
"subjects" refers to topics for discussion, and "noble" refers to
highminded topics (the nature of the good, say, rather than the design
of sewage systems) rather than to membership of the aristocracy.
>
> 2
> A derail = a device used to prevent fouling of a track by unauthorized
> movements of trains or unattended rolling stock. ;-)
>
> ... could jeopardise a philosophical debate about honorable topics ..
>
>> high minded philosophical debate
>
> high minded = noble ;-)
>
>>> un débat philosophique de haute volée
>
> perhaps:
>
> ... a superior philosophical discussion ...
--
Lanarcam
May 13, 2012, 12:09:27 PM5/13/12
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Le 13/05/2012 15:10, Athel Cornish-Bowden a écrit :
> On 2012-05-12 21:44:44 +0000, Evertjan. said:
>
>> Lanarcam wrote on 11 mei 2012 in sci.lang.translation:
>>
>>> The idea is that some (French people some say) don't
>>
>>>> certains (les Français, parait-il)
>>
>> ... some people (the French, apparently) ...
>>
>>> let themselves distracted by elements of reality which
>>
>>>> ne se laissent pas distraire
>>
>> ... don't let themselves _be_ distracted ...
>>
>> "elements of reality" is [also?] a quantum mechanical concept:
>> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EPR_paradox>
>>
>> Phylosphically, reality seems to me to be a unit
>> that cannot be divided in different elements
>> but this reality could be conceptually diverse.
>>
>> ... by concepts of reality, that ...
>>
>>
>>> could derail a high minded philosophical debate about
>>> noble subjects.
>>
>> 1
>> "Noble subjects" = peers of the realm.
>> [Dukes, Marquesse, Earls, Viscounts, Barons, Baronets]
>
> I'll be very surprised if that's the intended meaning here. Surely
> "subjects" refers to topics for discussion, and "noble" refers to
> highminded topics (the nature of the good, say, rather than the design
> of sewage systems) rather than to membership of the aristocracy.
>
Indeed, "Sujets nobles" refer to highminded topics. What do
> On 2012-05-12 21:44:44 +0000, Evertjan. said:
>
>> Lanarcam wrote on 11 mei 2012 in sci.lang.translation:
>>
>>> The idea is that some (French people some say) don't
>>
>>>> certains (les Français, parait-il)
>>
>> ... some people (the French, apparently) ...
>>
>>> let themselves distracted by elements of reality which
>>
>>>> ne se laissent pas distraire
>>
>> ... don't let themselves _be_ distracted ...
>>
>> "elements of reality" is [also?] a quantum mechanical concept:
>> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EPR_paradox>
>>
>> Phylosphically, reality seems to me to be a unit
>> that cannot be divided in different elements
>> but this reality could be conceptually diverse.
>>
>> ... by concepts of reality, that ...
>>
>>
>>> could derail a high minded philosophical debate about
>>> noble subjects.
>>
>> 1
>> "Noble subjects" = peers of the realm.
>> [Dukes, Marquesse, Earls, Viscounts, Barons, Baronets]
>
> I'll be very surprised if that's the intended meaning here. Surely
> "subjects" refers to topics for discussion, and "noble" refers to
> highminded topics (the nature of the good, say, rather than the design
> of sewage systems) rather than to membership of the aristocracy.
>
you understand when you read "noble subjects" in that context?
Albert ARIBAUD
May 13, 2012, 12:15:18 PM5/13/12
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Le 13/05/2012 18:09, Lanarcam a écrit :
> Indeed, "Sujets nobles" refer to highminded topics. What do
> you understand when you read "noble subjects" in that context?
Whatever the context, the first thought of a true British would be that
> Indeed, "Sujets nobles" refer to highminded topics. What do
> you understand when you read "noble subjects" in that context?
"subjects" are those of Her Majesty. :)
Amicalement,
--
Albert.
Lanarcam
May 13, 2012, 12:44:10 PM5/13/12
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"of philosophical learning, it cannot be improper to explain
such passages therein as seem obscure and difficult. ... The
noble subjects this work treats of being no less than the
grand fabric of the world, and the whole system of ..."
The Mathematical Principles of Natural Philosophy:
Volume 2 - Page 85. Sir Isaac Newton, William Davis,
William Emerson - 1803
By searching the phrase with Google books, I found that
it appears mainly in ancient texts. Is that expression
"passé"?
Michèle
May 14, 2012, 3:49:36 AM5/14/12
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>
> Amicalement,
Aussi,
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