Yamato damashii = Gumption? (Part 2)

[aesthete8]

Is this more proof ?:

- Permanence, perseverance and persistence in spite of all obstacles,
discouragements, and impossibilities: It is this, that in all things
distinguishes the strong soul from the weak.

Thomas Carlyle

[chance]

"aesthete8" <art...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:8f4b0557-acc4-4025...@me7g2000pbb.googlegroups.com...

Yes, Yamatodamashi is purported to represent a nonexistent and nonsensical
sense
conjured up by the Japanese out of self-adulation of the herd, which
sacrificed
milions and millions of Japanese soldiers and people for nothing but a
straw god.

[Easy Fatman]

That't a rather difficult question.
Because the word "Yamato damashii" originally means only "Japanese spirit".
For the concept of the word is used sometimes different ways by the
users of the word.
Moto'ori Norinaga(1730-1801) expressed "Yamato gokoro" as a cherry
blossom in the morning sun.

--
Easy Fatman

[Tad Perry]

Yamato-damashi and gumption definitely represent many of the same character
traits, but they cannot possibly be equal. All you have to do is think about
it. You still think they are the same? Think harder. Especially in terms of
associated connotations, they are very, very different.

tvp

[Ben Bullock]

On Nov 16, 5:26 pm, "Tad Perry" <tadpe...@comcast.net> wrote:

> Yamato-damashi and gumption definitely represent many of the same character
> traits, but they cannot possibly be equal. All you have to do is think about
> it. You still think they are the same? Think harder. Especially in terms of
> associated connotations, they are very, very different.

There is a cleaning product in the UK called "gumption" (and one
called "vim"), and as a child I learnt these words as the names of the
products rather than for any particular meaning of the word. I think I
must have spent at least ten years thinking that gumption was nothing
more than a cleaning product.

[chance]

"Ben Bullock" <benkasmi...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:ed1124e7-a5fe-4f24...@kt16g2000pbb.googlegroups.com...

Tour de force!

[Ben Bullock]

On Nov 17, 2:43 am, "chance" <cinci...@yahoo.co.kr> wrote:

> Tour de force!

Chance, I know you are a complete idiot, but even so, is it possible
to upgrade your news software so that it quotes properly? Thanks
muchly.

[chance]

"Ben Bullock" <benkasmi...@gmail.com> wrote in message

news:5c6a4261-9df4-4150...@g7g2000pbi.googlegroups.com...

What are you talking about? It's your news software to be upgraded,
if you hadn't snipped the preceding quotes.

[Scottintokyo]

What he is talking about is that your replies to other people's posts
do not make clear which text was added by you and which text was
quoted. It makes your posts really hard to read.

--
Scottintokyo

[chance]

"Scottintokyo" <sc...@tokyo.jp> wrote in message
news:2012111821194236457-scott@tokyojp...

You are mistaking some others' posts for mine,
which are properly quoted with > marks,
which proves so in this post.

This is the first time I've ever got complaint in that regard.

Thanks
CK

[Tad Perry]

It can happen when you use Windows Live Mail or Outlook Express to read
newsgroups and the person you respond to uses some other means, like Google
Groups, to make their posts. There is a free download called OEQuoteFix that
you can install (I did) that will make Outlook (and Live Mail) quote
correctly. Basically, it's Microsoft's fault.

tvp

[Scottintokyo]

The post that Ben complained about did not have the proper quoting.

> This is the first time I've ever got complaint in that regard.

Based on what Tad says in his reply to you it is possible that you were
unaware of the issue. In any case, some of your posts (I can't say all
because I don't know) come out on my end with no difference in the
quote level between the text you are replying to and your own comments.

--
Scottintokyo

[chance]

"Scottintokyo" <sc...@tokyo.jp> wrote in message

news:2012111914081584879-scott@tokyojp...

The annoying phenomenon of 'naked draft', as it were, began to draw
my attention recently and I blamed other side for the trouble
and was going to raise an issue with it. During more than a decade
I used Usenet, I didn't encounter this kind of trouble. Nor did I know
that I have caused the same kind of trouble to other side. First of all,
annoyed by the 'naked draft', I tried to replace my newsreader,
Outlook Express 6, with a new one, but the response was to the effect,
'The latest version has been already installed.' With it, I thought
that's that. The help came none too soon from TVP, who told me
about a gizmo, which I am going to install. By the way, how do you
guys keep being abreast with what is going on in the PC scenery.

Thanks all
CK

[Ben Bullock]

On Mon, 19 Nov 2012 18:49:07 +0900, chance wrote:

> The annoying phenomenon of 'naked draft', as it were, began to draw my
> attention recently and I blamed other side for the trouble and was going
> to raise an issue with it.

It looks like the posts I was sending from Google Groups were also partly
responsible. I usually read this newsgroup with Google Groups but then
post via the Pan newsreader, but lately since GG have drastically reduced
their spamming activity I started taking the lazy way of posting via GG.

> During more than a decade I used Usenet, I
> didn't encounter this kind of trouble. Nor did I know that I have caused
> the same kind of trouble to other side. First of all,
> annoyed by the 'naked draft', I tried to replace my newsreader,
> Outlook Express 6, with a new one, but the response was to the effect,
> 'The latest version has been already installed.'

Outlook Express is no longer updated by Microsoft. I used to use this too
a long time ago (like 2001) and it was already no longer being updated
back then.

> With it, I thought
> that's that. The help came none too soon from TVP, who told me about a
> gizmo, which I am going to install.

Today my Dell mouse's scroll wheel broke, so I wired up a horrible 100
yen shop USB connector and another mouse I got free last January, which
had a faulty connection to a laptop, and now I am back in business. I
don't understand the way that the Dell mouse's scroll wheel worked, after
taking it to pieces I still could not see how it had been connected.

--
sci.lang.japan FAQ/language tools: http://www.sljfaq.org/afaq/

[chance]

Ben Bullock wrote:
> On Mon, 19 Nov 2012 18:49:07 +0900, chance wrote:
>
>> The annoying phenomenon of 'naked draft', as it were, began to draw
>> my attention recently and I blamed other side for the trouble and
>> was going to raise an issue with it.
>
> It looks like the posts I was sending from Google Groups were also
> partly responsible. I usually read this newsgroup with Google Groups
> but then post via the Pan newsreader, but lately since GG have
> drastically reduced their spamming activity I started taking the lazy
> way of posting via GG.
>
>> During more than a decade I used Usenet, I
>> didn't encounter this kind of trouble. Nor did I know that I have
>> caused the same kind of trouble to other side. First of all,
>> annoyed by the 'naked draft', I tried to replace my newsreader,
>> Outlook Express 6, with a new one, but the response was to the
>> effect, 'The latest version has been already installed.'
>
> Outlook Express is no longer updated by Microsoft. I used to use this
> too a long time ago (like 2001) and it was already no longer being
> updated back then.

You were right when you said I was a complete idiot. I didn't know
about that, ie, OE was 'outmoded'. Hey, how do you get informed
of what is going on in the PC world?

>> With it, I thought
>> that's that. The help came none too soon from TVP, who told me
>> about a gizmo, which I am going to install.
>
> Today my Dell mouse's scroll wheel broke, so I wired up a horrible 100
> yen shop USB connector and another mouse I got free last January,
> which had a faulty connection to a laptop, and now I am back in
> business. I don't understand the way that the Dell mouse's scroll
> wheel worked, after taking it to pieces I still could not see how it
> had been connected.

Thanks
CK

[Scottintokyo]

I hope Tad's suggestion works for you. As for keeping up with the PC
scenery, I now only do that from afar because I switched to Mac about
two years ago and I don't see myself going back (especially now that
Windows 8 has arrived).

But back in my PC days I used Thunderbird, which I found prerry good
for both email and Usenet. You might want to give it a try.

--
Scottintokyo

[Tad Perry]

Well, Chance, the truth is that I don't know. We just all have to work
together and share our knowledge and get used to searching for answers
through search engines like Google.

Back in the 1990's, I knew all about computers and networks and how to build
them, repair them, and program them. But you have to become a dedicated
student, constantly learning a deluge of new information just to keep
current. At some point, I lost the will to put that much constant energy
into reading some big, thick book, only to have the technology become
obsolete within a few years and need to read a new big thick, book.

In this case, I just happened to know that there was an incompatibility
problem between people that post to Usenet from Google Groups and people who
reply to those posts via Outlook Express (which got renamed as Live Mail and
became part of the Windows operating system). It was dumb luck that I
happened to know what the problem was.

The way I found out about it was this: I knew that I had to manually add
quotes to posts from people via Google Groups. At first, I thought it was
Google's fault. Then I learned that Microsoft could have handled things on
their side better. I also had heard there was a solution. This was enough to
go on to track down the install via Google and try it myself. It works
great.

I guess the best answer to your question is: Learn to ask questions and
formulate good searches and you can find anything.

tvp

[chance]

Thanks
CK

[chance]

Thanks
CK

[gggg gggg]

The gunka "Shussei Heishi o Okuru Uta" (出征兵士を送る歌,) includes the word YAMATO DAMASHII:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isao_Hayashi

[gggg gggg]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p_px1_5lvPs