Dictionary worth buying
Charles Eicher
j...@DELETETHIS.wantree.com.au says...
>
>Most people have a huge eng dictionary (maybe a phone book one too),
They do? I don't have one, but I used to own an OED about 20 years ago. I do,
however, own about 14 or 15 Japanese dictionaries. Each of them is quite
different.
>but what about jp one?
>
>I'm searching for a "decent" jp/eng dictionay be either book and/or
>cdrom. Prefer backward compatibility of course. Main purpose for words,
>not phrases. Hiragana and Katakana methods preffered.
Your question is rather vague. Do you want a J/E dictionary, an E/J dictionary,
or a Kanji dictionary? Even the native Japanese speakers I know own several
dictionaries.
>It does not bother me where I get it from (japan?) as long as it is
>internationally orderable.
>
>What are your recommendations please? I don't know where to start
>reviewing. I appreciate your suggestions.
You will have to start by defining what you need from a dictionary. A good place
to start is my dictionary comparison website:
Click on the bar labeled "Japanese Dictionaries."
j...@deletethis.wantree.com.au
what about jp one?
I'm searching for a "decent" jp/eng dictionay be either book and/or
cdrom. Prefer backward compatibility of course. Main purpose for words,
not phrases. Hiragana and Katakana methods preffered.
It does not bother me where I get it from (japan?) as long as it is
Cindy
j...@DELETETHIS.wantree.com.au writes:
I have a question too. I need a Japanese thesaurus, possibly pocket size.
Saint Dead Air (The Former Pope Emperor)
(Cindy ) spelled out in toothpicks:
>I have a question too. I need a Japanese thesaurus, possibly pocket size.
The only thesaurus I know of is the Kadokawa one. I saw it at the
Shoten Ebisu when I bought my Kenkyuusha LD, but I didn't have enough
money at the time else I would have purchased it. It wasn't exactly
pocket-sized, though, unless you wear REALLY BIG pants. It was about
the same size as the Kenkyuusha LD, and my version has 1120 pp & it
about 2.5" thick.
Now if I could find an Ei-Wa that is as good as the Kenyuusha no Wa-ei
LD, I would be all set.
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Ben Bullock
Saint Dead Air (The Former Pope Emperor) <dead...@hipcrime.net> wrote in
message news:muiqgscpe2nm31rm2...@4ax.com...
> On 01 May 2000 02:29:15 GMT, in sci.lang.japan cind...@aol.com
> (Cindy ) spelled out in toothpicks:
>
> >I have a question too. I need a Japanese thesaurus, possibly pocket
size.
>
> The only thesaurus I know of is the Kadokawa one. I saw it at the
> Shoten Ebisu when I bought my Kenkyuusha LD, but I didn't have enough
> money at the time else I would have purchased it.
Hmm, there are lots and lots of Japanese thesauruses. I have one published
by "Kashiwa Shoboo" (???) which is called the "handi-ban ruigo jiten"
(?????????). I don't know if it's a particularly good one but
it is pocket sized. I also have an "opposite words" dictionary. These
kinds of books are useful sometimes in writing. I've never seen an opposite
words dictionary in English, although I'm sure they must exist.
Jester
>Hmm, there are lots and lots of Japanese thesauruses. I have one published
>by "Kashiwa Shoboo" (???) which is called the "handi-ban ruigo jiten"
>(?????????). I don't know if it's a particularly good one but
>it is pocket sized. I also have an "opposite words" dictionary. These
>kinds of books are useful sometimes in writing. I've never seen an opposite
>words dictionary in English, although I'm sure they must exist.
I thought most good thesauri listed antonyms as well.
-Ben
"The evil of this world exists only in the hearts of men..."
-Edward D. Morrison
"Sometimes I pretend I'm a circus bear..."
-My weirdo roommate
j...@deletethis.wantree.com.au
19:37:59 -0700] is quoted:
> In article <pljpgskmonca9fgnq...@4ax.com>,
> j...@DELETETHIS.wantree.com.au says...
> >
>
> Your question is rather vague. Do you want a J/E dictionary, an E/J dictionary,
> or a Kanji dictionary? Even the native Japanese speakers I know own several
> dictionaries.
>
Well, how about a kanji j/e and e/j dictionary?
ta
> >It does not bother me where I get it from (japan?) as long as it is
> >internationally orderable.
> >
> >What are your recommendations please? I don't know where to start
> >reviewing. I appreciate your suggestions.
>
Scott Reynolds
>
> Charles Eicher <cei...@inav.net> in sci.lang.japan [30 Apr 2000
> 19:37:59 -0700] is quoted:
> > or a Kanji dictionary? Even the native Japanese speakers I know own several
> > dictionaries.
> >
>
> Well, how about a kanji j/e and e/j dictionary?
Writing English using only kanji can be rather awkward. Come to think of
it, writing Japanese using only kanji can be awkward as well.
_______________________________________________________________
Scott Reynolds s...@gol.com
Saint Dead Air (The Former Pope Emperor)
<s...@gol.com> spelled out in toothpicks:
> Come to think of
>it, writing Japanese using only kanji can be awkward as well.
I think that's called "Chinese." BEFORE ANYONE FLAMES ME I WAS JUST
JOKING.
Ben Bullock
Jester <btt...@nyu.eduzacation> wrote in message
news:qdirgs0sq3aavgldu...@4ax.com...
> On Mon, 1 May 2000 19:38:21 +0900, "Ben Bullock" <haya...@syd.odn.ne.jp>
Wrote:
>
> >Hmm, there are lots and lots of Japanese thesauruses. I have one
published
> >by "Kashiwa Shoboo" (???) which is called the "handi-ban ruigo jiten"
> >(?????????). I don't know if it's a particularly good one but
> >it is pocket sized. I also have an "opposite words" dictionary. These
> >kinds of books are useful sometimes in writing. I've never seen an
opposite
> >words dictionary in English, although I'm sure they must exist.
>
> I thought most good thesauri listed antonyms as well.
All the ones I've seen must be crap ones then.
Cindy
> On Tue, 02 May 2000 15:30:25 +0900, in sci.lang.japan Scott Reynolds
> <s...@gol.com> spelled out in toothpicks:
>
> > Come to think of
> >it, writing Japanese using only kanji can be awkward as well.
>
> I think that's called "Chinese." BEFORE ANYONE FLAMES ME I WAS JUST
> JOKING.
As it was such a long time ago, I don't remember Kanbun(漢文）lesson in
Genkoku （現代国語）class in the middle school years.
師曰、虎穴不入、虎子不得。 (dakke?)
Do many foreign Japanese learners study Kanbun like above too? If they
do, I bet they will find it much more similar to English.
muchan
Cindy wrote:
>
>
> As it was such a long time ago, I don't remember Kanbun(漢文）lesson in
> Genkoku （現代国語）class in the middle school years.
>
> 師曰、虎穴不入、虎子不得。 (dakke?)
>
> Do many foreign Japanese learners study Kanbun like above too? If they
> do, I bet they will find it much more similar to English.
How do you write (dakke?) with kanji?
(... in Chinese, verb comes before object, BTW... like English order...)
muchan
Cindy
muchan <muc...@promikra.si> wrote in message
news:391026CA...@promikra.si...
> How do you write (dakke?) with kanji?
>
> (... in Chinese, verb comes before object, BTW... like English
order...)
muchan, we must realize that we are all capable of Chinese. Look!
私達好英語 （We like English.)
我読本 (I read a book.)
何処君住？ （Where do you live?)
私住中東京 (I live in Tokyo.)
何職業君持？ (What do you do?)
我英会話学校教師 (I am a teacher at an eikaiwa school.)
See! Isn't it easy? Now, no more translation.
我愛君、近未来君結婚我？
否、君冗談、我愛誰他人、我不可能結婚君
願、考慮再度？
否、我不愛君因理由君醜男及貧乏、消滅拠我目前！
大、君、意地悪女！
君、肛門！
大、牛糞！
直行地獄！
停止地獄会話！
Note: 大 = Oh,
宣伝
願、利用黒猫大和宅急便！
Michael Cash
Cindy, this has serious potential. I believe it could take the place of
Esperanto as a major world language!
Michael Cash
"No, Mr. Cash, your invalid driver's license does
not allow you to park in the handicapped space. You're
accenting the wrong syllable, you moron."
Prof. Ernest T. Bass
Mount Pilot College
Jester
>> I thought most good thesauri listed antonyms as well.
>
>All the ones I've seen must be crap ones then.
Probably -- try Merriam-Webster's, and possibly Roget's, although the copy I
have is extremely old because I got it at this really weird flea market where
you pay $5 at the door and they hand you a big garbage bag and let you fill it
to the top with anything you find inside. Weird place -- I got my cd player
there, too. =)
muchan
and... Cindy, how do you write "dakke?" in your wild Chinese?
muchan
Thomas Chan
>
>and... Cindy, how do you write "dakke?" in your wild Chinese?
>
>muchan
>
>
>Cindy wrote:
>>
>> muchan <muc...@promikra.si> wrote in message
>> news:391026CA...@promikra.si...
>>
>> > How do you write (dakke?) with kanji?
>> >
>> > (... in Chinese, verb comes before object, BTW... like English
>> order...)
>>
>> muchan, we must realize that we are all capable of Chinese. Look!
(I don't see Cindy's post on my newsserver yet...)
This is interesting... but it does take knowledge of Japanese and
English to understand, but doesn't require any Chinese at all!
"X" below should be:
; ; ,
; ;'''''';'
,'; ,' , '
; , ; ,
; ,' ; ;,
; ' ; '
; ','
>> 私達好英語 （We like English.)
*(I) privately reached (the point) of like(ing) English.
我們喜歡英文.
>> 我読本 (I read a book.)
*I read (a/the) volume.
我讀書.
>> 何処君住？ （Where do you live?)
*(At) what place (does) my lord live?
X住在那裡?
>> 私住中東京 (I live in Tokyo.)
*(I) privately live (in) central Tokyo.
我住在東京.
>> 何職業君持？ (What do you do?)
*What occupation (does) my lord hold?
X做甚麼工作?
>> 我英会話学校教師 (I am a teacher at an eikaiwa school.)
*Me, (an) English conversation school instructor.
我是個英會話學校的教師.
Thomas Chan
tc...@cornell.edu
th...@my-deja.com
etb...@mtpilot.edu wrote:
> On Thu, 04 May 2000 02:32:08 GMT, "Cindy" <cind...@worldnet.att.net>
wrote:
>
> Cindy, this has serious potential. I believe it could take the
> place of Esperanto as a major world language!
IIRC, Esperanto is a "top 100" language -- nudging out such hard hitters
as Islandic and Navaho. According to some estimates, there are more
second-language speakers of Esperanto than second-language speakers of
Japanese.
Thomas L. Rochestro
Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
Before you buy.
Cindy
Michael Cash <etb...@mtpilot.edu> wrote in message
news:3910e82c...@news.sunfield.ne.jp...
> On Thu, 04 May 2000 02:32:08 GMT, "Cindy" <cind...@worldnet.att.net>
wrote:
>
> Cindy, this has serious potential. I believe it could take the place
of
> Esperanto as a major world language!
君歓迎！
絶対的無問題
Cindy
Thomas Chan <tc...@cornell.edu> wrote in message
news:8erl78$ktc$1...@charm.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu...
（切）
私感謝君
Cindy
>
> and... Cindy, how do you write "dakke?" in your wild Chinese?
謝罪深々
率直話、我否現在完了習得其中国語未然
多分 Thomas Chan 氏 親切丁寧指導我々
Michael Cash
>In article <3910e82c...@news.sunfield.ne.jp>,
> etb...@mtpilot.edu wrote:
>> On Thu, 04 May 2000 02:32:08 GMT, "Cindy" <cind...@worldnet.att.net>
>wrote:
>>
>> Cindy, this has serious potential. I believe it could take the
>> place of Esperanto as a major world language!
>
>IIRC, Esperanto is a "top 100" language -- nudging out such hard hitters
>as Islandic and Navaho. According to some estimates, there are more
>second-language speakers of Esperanto than second-language speakers of
>Japanese.
>
I take it that you thought I was being facetious.
Michael Cash
>
>Michael Cash <etb...@mtpilot.edu> wrote in message
>news:3910e82c...@news.sunfield.ne.jp...
>> On Thu, 04 May 2000 02:32:08 GMT, "Cindy" <cind...@worldnet.att.net>
>wrote:
>>
>> Cindy, this has serious potential. I believe it could take the place
>of
>> Esperanto as a major world language!
>
>
> $B7/4?7^!* (B
>
> $B@dBPE*L5LdBj (B
>
君随分優！
世界要人々様君。
此楽、不君思？
Cindy
> On Fri, 05 May 2000 01:07:52 GMT, "Cindy" <cind...@worldnet.att.net>
wrote:
>
> >
> >Michael Cash <etb...@mtpilot.edu> wrote in message
> >news:3910e82c...@news.sunfield.ne.jp...
> >> On Thu, 04 May 2000 02:32:08 GMT, "Cindy"
<cind...@worldnet.att.net>
> >wrote:
> >>
> >> Cindy, this has serious potential. I believe it could take the
place
> >of
> >> Esperanto as a major world language!
> >
> >
> >
> >絶対的無問題
> >
> 君随分優！
感謝感激雨霰
> 世界要人々様君。
君造私超幸福
> 此楽、不君思？
我肯定、我考君及我確実天才
結果私乗調子、私挑戦翻訳其四甲虫音楽隊歌乃数々
願、考正解
昨日
黄色潜水艦
革命
無返事
税金徴収人
自分欲掴君手
誕生日
黒鳥
不可能買入我愛
私考 超簡単
私作更困難
唐辛子軍曹寂心倶楽部音楽隊
魔的不可思議旅行
全員持何隠蔽除我及我所有猿
全君必要成愛
戻露国
赤子、君一金持男
成為凧様乃利益
来一緒
泣赤子泣
一日一生
悪魔中心臓
運転我車
一週間八日
皆試成我赤子
穴修理
丘上愚者
硝子玉葱
黄金睡眠
良日太陽輝
幸福成一暖拳銃
一多忙夜
我必要君
我幸福単舞踊共君
長湾曲道路
凧庭
願、満足我
追伸、我愛君
雨
岩及巻音楽
彼女侵入経浴室窓
苺畑永遠
乗車券
我々成功可能
時我年齢六十四
依少々助寄我友人
君不与金銭我
Cindy
Cindy <cind...@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
news:zOHQ4.39259$PV.27...@bgtnsc06-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
> 凧庭
すいません。間違えた。
凧ではなく、蛸でした。
従って、「蛸庭」
Lei Tanabe
"Thomas Chan" <tc...@cornell.edu> wrote in message
news:8erl78$ktc$1...@charm.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu...
>
> English to understand, but doesn't require any Chinese at all!
I once successfully communicated with a Mandarin speaker using Cindy's
method.
我歓喜其事実
But, that seems to have been only because he speaks English and knows a bit
of Japanese.
我住在新西蘭 (I think 新海国 is better from the meaning.)
Lei
Lei Tanabe
>
> 従って、「蛸庭」
八足庭
Lei
Don Kirkman
<3913...@clear.net.nz>:
When I started my Army basic training there was a Japanese citizen who
somehow got drafted by mistake and who spoke (essentially) no English.
A Chinese American fellow from San Francisco was able to communicate
with him through something like Cindy's method (I was even more ignorant
of such things back then, so I don't have a clue exactly how they did
it); at least it worked well enough to get things sorted out and get him
out of the Army.
--
Don Kirkman
"Fool someone once . . . and they'll feel foolish for a day . ..
. . . but teach them to fool themselves and they'll be foolish
for a lifetime." M. Fry & T. Lewis, 'Over the Hedge'
Mike Wright
>
> It seems to me I heard somewhere that Lei Tanabe wrote in article
> <3913...@clear.net.nz>:
>
> >"Thomas Chan" <tc...@cornell.edu> wrote in message
> >news:8erl78$ktc$1...@charm.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu...
>
> >> This is interesting... but it does take knowledge of Japanese and
> >> English to understand, but doesn't require any Chinese at all!
>
> >I once successfully communicated with a Mandarin speaker using Cindy's
> >method.
> >我歓喜其事実
> >But, that seems to have been only because he speaks English and knows a bit
> >of Japanese.
>
> >我住在新西蘭 (I think 新海国 is better from the meaning.)
>
> When I started my Army basic training there was a Japanese citizen who
> somehow got drafted by mistake and who spoke (essentially) no English.
> A Chinese American fellow from San Francisco was able to communicate
> with him through something like Cindy's method (I was even more ignorant
> of such things back then, so I don't have a clue exactly how they did
> it); at least it worked well enough to get things sorted out and get him
> out of the Army.
He was lucky. When I first went to Japan, my NCOIC was a Sikh, SFC
Singh (there's that Singaporean lion again), who was an exchange
student from India when he was drafted back in the mid-50s. Not only
was he unable to get out, but they made him shave his beard and cut
his hair. By the time I enlisted in 1962, Sikhs not only didn't have
to cut their hair or shave, but they were permitted to wear their
turbans while in uniform. (It's a religious thing.) SFC Singh never
grew his hair or beard again, though he could have. He said that once
it had been cut, it was sort of like losing one's virginity.
--
Mike Wright
http://www.CoastalFog.net
__________________________________________________
Seldom does any linguist ever agree with any other
linguist about anything. -- Greg Lee
Atsushi YAGASAKI
> 感謝感激雨霰
wild CHINESE じゃ無かったっけ？
幾ら何でもこれは日本語知らない人には判らないのでは？
＃＃まぁ、これまでのも既にそうかもしれないけど。
yagasaki
Lei Tanabe
"Mike Wright" <dar...@CoastalFog.net> wrote in message
news:3915FAD3...@CoastalFog.net...
>
> He was lucky. When I first went to Japan, my NCOIC was a Sikh, SFC
> Singh (there's that Singaporean lion again), who was an exchange
> student from India when he was drafted back in the mid-50s. Not only
> was he unable to get out, but they made him shave his beard and cut
> his hair. By the time I enlisted in 1962, Sikhs not only didn't have
> to cut their hair or shave, but they were permitted to wear their
> turbans while in uniform. (It's a religious thing.) SFC Singh never
> grew his hair or beard again, though he could have. He said that once
> it had been cut, it was sort of like losing one's virginity.
And felt more comfortable without... I s'pose.
Lei
Cindy
Cindy
<dar...@CoastalFog.net> writes:
>Don Kirkman wrote:
>> When I started my Army basic training there was a Japanese citizen who
>> somehow got drafted by mistake and who spoke (essentially) no English.
>> A Chinese American fellow from San Francisco was able to communicate
>> with him through something like Cindy's method (I was even more ignorant
>> of such things back then, so I don't have a clue exactly how they did
>> it); at least it worked well enough to get things sorted out and get him
>> out of the Army.
>
>He was lucky. When I first went to Japan, my NCOIC was a Sikh, SFC
>Singh (there's that Singaporean lion again), who was an exchange
>student from India when he was drafted back in the mid-50s. Not only
>was he unable to get out, but they made him shave his beard and cut
>his hair. By the time I enlisted in 1962, Sikhs not only didn't have
>to cut their hair or shave, but they were permitted to wear their
>turbans while in uniform. (It's a religious thing.) SFC Singh never
>grew his hair or beard again, though he could have. He said that once
>it had been cut, it was sort of like losing one's virginity.
>
This is a big surprise to me. How could Uncle Sam draft non-American citizens
for the US military forces? Didn't it matter that time? How did this Indian
student get paid? In cash? Did they give him a US passport, a social security
number, a military ID, a driver's license and a military credit union account?
I think whoever drafted this man should be court-martialed.
Mike Wright
Now the wild Chinese has English syntax (assuming I caught Cindy's intention).
Sean Holland
> >
> > 君必要持楽前君死
>
> Now the wild Chinese has English syntax (assuming I caught Cindy's intention).
> --
My reading was "You need have pleasure before you die."
Mike Wright
>
> In article <3915FAD3...@CoastalFog.net>, Mike Wright
> <dar...@CoastalFog.net> writes:
>
> >Don Kirkman wrote:
>
> >> When I started my Army basic training there was a Japanese citizen who
> >> somehow got drafted by mistake and who spoke (essentially) no English.
> >> A Chinese American fellow from San Francisco was able to communicate
> >> with him through something like Cindy's method (I was even more ignorant
> >> of such things back then, so I don't have a clue exactly how they did
> >> it); at least it worked well enough to get things sorted out and get him
> >> out of the Army.
> >
> >He was lucky. When I first went to Japan, my NCOIC was a Sikh, SFC
> >Singh (there's that Singaporean lion again), who was an exchange
> >student from India when he was drafted back in the mid-50s. Not only
> >was he unable to get out, but they made him shave his beard and cut
> >his hair. By the time I enlisted in 1962, Sikhs not only didn't have
> >to cut their hair or shave, but they were permitted to wear their
> >turbans while in uniform. (It's a religious thing.) SFC Singh never
> >grew his hair or beard again, though he could have. He said that once
> >it had been cut, it was sort of like losing one's virginity.
> >
>
> This is a big surprise to me. How could Uncle Sam draft non-American citizens
> for the US military forces? Didn't it matter that time?
Nope. I was pretty shocked to hear about it, as well, but it turns out
that the law said that anyone living in the US could be drafted as
long as they met the other qualifications.
As I recall, his father was actually a Raja of some kind, but that cut
no ice.
> How did this Indian student get paid? In cash?
In those days, everyone got paid in cash. Even when I first went in,
we lined up to get paid on the last day of each month. We each marched
up to the table in helmet and pistol belt, saluted the pay officer,
and signed for our pay--then went by a table where a goodly chunk was
lost to "contributions" to the Red Cross, Army Emergency Relief, and
so on. I didn't get paid by check until I arrived in Taiwan.
> Did they give him a US passport, a social security
> number, a military ID, a driver's license and a military credit union account?
Probably not a passport. I didn't have a passport when I went to
Taiwan. All I needed was my ID card and a set of orders (replaced by
an ID card from the ROC Military Liaison Office). I don't think I had
one the first time I was stationed in Japan, either. And, I didn't
need one to take leave in Taiwan.
Definitely a social security number. That has nothing to do with citizenship.
Definitely a military ID.
Not a driver's license. I had been in the Army for about four years
(and married for one) before I finally got my first one. Our motor
pool NCOIC at Ft. Hood tried to teach me to drive a jeep, but gave up
after I almost killed us by driving down into a boulder-strewn dry
creek bed.
Not a credit union account. The military doesn't just hand those out.
You have to join. Of course he could have joined if he wanted to. I
was already taking Japanese by the time I joined for the first
time--to get a car to use with that new driver's license.
> I think whoever drafted this man should be court-martialed.
Drafting was done by civilian civil servants, not by the military
services. You can't court-martial civilians.
It has never been a requirement that one be a citizen to enlist. I
knew several non-citizens in the Army--mostly Filipinos. As far as I
know, it is not a requirement now. However, in order to stay in and
continue getting promoted, getting one's US citizenship soon after the
waiting period ended was "strongly encouraged".
Of course, by the time I knew SFC Singh, he was already a US citizen.
His wife was Japanese, by the way, and his teenage son had never had a
haircut nor a shave. Neither, I believe, had his daughter. :-p
Mike Wright
That's how I took it. To make it more Chinesey, it should be more like Japanese:
君死之前必要持楽
Otherwise, it looks like "Before you must have pleasure, you will die."
Even like that, it's still a bit on the wild side, but at least it's
probably understandable to a Chinese who doesn't speak English.
Don Kirkman
>"Mike Wright" <dar...@CoastalFog.net> wrote in message
>news:3915FAD3...@CoastalFog.net...
>> He was lucky. When I first went to Japan, my NCOIC was a Sikh, SFC
>> Singh (there's that Singaporean lion again), who was an exchange
>> student from India when he was drafted back in the mid-50s. Not only
>> was he unable to get out, but they made him shave his beard and cut
>> his hair. By the time I enlisted in 1962, Sikhs not only didn't have
>> to cut their hair or shave, but they were permitted to wear their
>> turbans while in uniform. (It's a religious thing.) SFC Singh never
>> grew his hair or beard again, though he could have. He said that once
>> it had been cut, it was sort of like losing one's virginity.
>And felt more comfortable without... I s'pose.
The hair and beard, of course?
Cindy
Mike Wright <dar...@CoastalFog.net> wrote in message
> In those days, everyone got paid in cash. Even when I first went in,
> we lined up to get paid on the last day of each month. We each marched
> up to the table in helmet and pistol belt, saluted the pay officer,
> and signed for our pay--then went by a table where a goodly chunk was
> lost to "contributions" to the Red Cross, Army Emergency Relief, and
> so on. I didn't get paid by check until I arrived in Taiwan.
嘘！
我不信君
> > Did they give him a US passport, a social security
> > number, a military ID, a driver's license and a military credit
union account?
>
> Probably not a passport. I didn't have a passport when I went to
> Taiwan. All I needed was my ID card and a set of orders (replaced by
> an ID card from the ROC Military Liaison Office). I don't think I had
> one the first time I was stationed in Japan, either. And, I didn't
> need one to take leave in Taiwan.
Right, when you are on TDY, PCS, you don't need a passport. I remember
that. But you can't get on commercial airplanes with your ID, can you?
For example, you've PCSed in Japan, all of a sudden, you need to go back
to the US for a funeral or something, no space is available in military
airplane so you have to depart from Narita. You need a passport there
right? Or do they let you go?
> Definitely a social security number. That has nothing to do with
> citizenship.
Yeah, the IRS won't miss you, otherwise they won't be able to collect
money (income tax). You know Mike, I believe anybody who wants to pay
tax to the US, they should give them a citizenship.
> Definitely a military ID.
>
> Not a driver's license. I had been in the Army for about four years
> (and married for one) before I finally got my first one. Our motor
> pool NCOIC at Ft. Hood tried to teach me to drive a jeep, but gave up
> after I almost killed us by driving down into a boulder-strewn dry
> creek bed.
You were lucky the teacher wasn't my husband. He told me that that was
the first time he thought about divorcing me. What happened? I don't
wanna talk about it.
> Not a credit union account. The military doesn't just hand those out.
> You have to join. Of course he could have joined if he wanted to. I
> was already taking Japanese by the time I joined for the first
> time--to get a car to use with that new driver's license.
>
> > I think whoever drafted this man should be court-martialed.
>
> Drafting was done by civilian civil servants, not by the military
> services. You can't court-martial civilians.
I wonder who could that be ...
Who drafted Elvis Presley? He went to Germany, right? Why didn't he
come to Japan?
> It has never been a requirement that one be a citizen to enlist. I
> knew several non-citizens in the Army--mostly Filipinos. As far as I
> know, it is not a requirement now. However, in order to stay in and
> continue getting promoted, getting one's US citizenship soon after the
> waiting period ended was "strongly encouraged".
That's amazing! I didn't know that! I think those Japanese youngsters
should be sent to their training camp just to get basic training. I
don't mean the basic training is firing a weapon, rather like learning
how to make a bed, how to do the laundry, how to deal with the pressure
from a drill sergeant and how to take a leadership.
> Of course, by the time I knew SFC Singh, he was already a US citizen.
> His wife was Japanese, by the way, and his teenage son had never had a
> haircut nor a shave. Neither, I believe, had his daughter. :-p
Oh boy!
Cindy
Sean Holland <seho...@islandnet.com> wrote in message
news:39174844...@islandnet.com...
> Mike Wright wrote:
>
> > >
> > > 君必要持楽前君死
> >
> > Now the wild Chinese has English syntax (assuming I caught Cindy's
intention).
> > --
>
> My reading was "You need have pleasure before you die."
うん、うん、そう、そう、かしこーい ：）：）：）
Cindy
Mike Wright <dar...@CoastalFog.net> wrote in message
> Sean Holland wrote:
> >
> > Mike Wright wrote:
> >
> > > >
> > > > 君必要持楽前君死
> > >
> > > Now the wild Chinese has English syntax (assuming I caught Cindy's
intention).
> > > --
> >
> > My reading was "You need have pleasure before you die."
>
Japanese:
>
> 君死之前必要持楽
>
> Otherwise, it looks like "Before you must have pleasure, you will
die."
>
> Even like that, it's still a bit on the wild side, but at least it's
> probably understandable to a Chinese who doesn't speak English.
千禰大爆笑
However it is not really incorrect depending on what sort of pleasure,
don't you think?
Note: 千禰＝Cindy
Don Kirkman
<20000508093224...@nso-ci.aol.com>:
>In article <3915FAD3...@CoastalFog.net>, Mike Wright
><dar...@CoastalFog.net> writes:
>>Don Kirkman wrote:
>>> When I started my Army basic training there was a Japanese citizen who
>>> somehow got drafted by mistake and who spoke (essentially) no English.
[...]
>>He was lucky. When I first went to Japan, my NCOIC was a Sikh, SFC
>>Singh (there's that Singaporean lion again), who was an exchange
>>student from India when he was drafted back in the mid-50s.
[...]
>This is a big surprise to me. How could Uncle Sam draft non-American citizens
>for the US military forces? Didn't it matter that time? How did this Indian
>student get paid? In cash? Did they give him a US passport, a social security
>number, a military ID, a driver's license and a military credit union account?
>I think whoever drafted this man should be court-martialed.
[After writing this I see Mike has a better explanation than mine for
the draft status, but as you can see I'm posting it anyway]
This is a good question; let me take a stab at it. The fellow in my
platoon was drafted by mistake; probably something got lost in the
translation. Mike may or may not have an explanation for his Sgt.
Singh. I believe that perhaps immigrants who had filed for citizenship
might have been draft-eligible at least during part of the life of the
draft from 1940 through whenever it ended.
By comparison, Japan considered all overseas Nikkei men to be draft
eligible through WW II; a small number of Nisei caught in Japan at the
outbreak of WW II were actually drafted. Their status and the [assumed]
tendency of Kibei to be more supportive of Imperial Japan played a role
in the decision to evacuate all Nikkei from the US West Coast in 1942,
though the role was more that of whipping up emotions than providing
actual evidence of any disloyalty.
Japan was much more aggressive in pressing its claims on Nikkei who had
dual citizenship than were most other countries of the time; I think
it's become pretty much of a non-issue in recent decades.
Cindy
<new...@abac.com> writes:
>Their status and the [assumed]
>tendency of Kibei to be more supportive of Imperial Japan played a role
>in the decision to evacuate all Nikkei from the US West Coast in 1942,
>though the role was more that of whipping up emotions than providing
>actual evidence of any disloyalty.
All Nikkei-jin from Hawaii too? I met old waitresses in Pearl City Tavern,
they told me how they were bullied after the Pearl Harbor attack. Did you have
to send your wife to the concentrating camp during the war too?
westerfluss
"Cindy " <cind...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20000509223426...@nso-fb.aol.com...
"Had to send your wife to the concentrating camp during the war too?"
Jyodoushi have wo tsukatte uenoyouni iuto machigai?
Westerfluss
Don Kirkman
<8fb27i$3fv$13$1...@news.t-online.com>:
Cindy's message hasn't gotten to me yet, so I'll do a twoferone.
>"Cindy " <cind...@aol.com> wrote in message
>news:20000509223426...@nso-fb.aol.com...
>> In article <5t6hhs0mv2t63ojb9...@4ax.com>, Don Kirkman
>> <new...@abac.com> writes:
>> >Their status and the [assumed] tendency of Kibei to be more
>> >supportive of Imperial Japan played a role in the decision to
>> >evacuate all Nikkei from the US West Coast in 1942,
>> >though the role was more that of whipping up emotions than
>> >providing actual evidence of any disloyalty.
>> All Nikkei-jin from Hawaii too? I met old waitresses in Pearl City
>> Tavern, they told me how they were bullied after the Pearl Harbor attack.
>> Did you have to send your wife to the concentrating camp during the war too?
No, the military commander (General Emmons) in Hawaii didn't want them
evacuated; the only ones moved were one or two thousand who were
suspects. The Japanese immigrants were too important a part of the
Hawaiian culture and economy.
On the West Coast there had been anti-Japanese agitation for over forty
years, and the local politicians and others, and the West Coast army
commander (General DeWitt), agreed they should be evacuated; both
military and political leaders in Washington, including Roosevelt,
agreed. (Some of the Washington military worked with DeWitt to persuade
others.)
My wife and her family were in Hawaii, so they weren't involved.
>Sumimasen Cindy-san eigo no bunpou wo wasuretanode sitsumon.
>"Had to send your wife to the concentrating camp during the war too?"
>Jyodoushi have wo tsukatte uenoyouni iuto machigai?
Good question. Cindy has it right; because she started with 'did you
have to . . .' the present form 'have' is correct, but if the 'have'
were the main verb in the sentence it would be the past form 'had.'
'Did/do/will you have to . . . '
'He had to . . . .'
Cindy
westerfluss <nish...@t-online.de> wrote in message
news:8fb27i$3fv$13$1...@news.t-online.com...
>
> "Cindy " <cind...@aol.com> wrote in message
> news:20000509223426...@nso-fb.aol.com...
> > In article <5t6hhs0mv2t63ojb9...@4ax.com>, Don Kirkman
> > <new...@abac.com> writes:
> >
> > >Their status and the [assumed]
> > >tendency of Kibei to be more supportive of Imperial Japan played a
> role
> > >in the decision to evacuate all Nikkei from the US West Coast in
> 1942,
> > >though the role was more that of whipping up emotions than
> providing
> > >actual evidence of any disloyalty.
> >
> > All Nikkei-jin from Hawaii too? I met old waitresses in Pearl City
> Tavern,
> > they told me how they were bullied after the Pearl Harbor attack.
> Did you have
> > to send your wife to the concentrating camp during the war too?
ごめん、ごめん。よく考えてみたら "the concentration camp" でした。
> Sumimasen Cindy-san eigo no bunpou wo wasuretanode sitsumon.
> "Had to send your wife to the concentrating camp during the war too?"
> Jyodoushi have wo tsukatte uenoyouni iuto machigai?
こういう難しい質問を私にしてはいけません。 なぜならば、私自身ちゃんと知
らないからです。ごめんちゃい。
Gerald B Mathias
: westerfluss <nish...@t-online.de> wrote
:> Sumimasen Cindy-san eigo no bunpou wo wasuretanode sitsumon.
:> "Had to send your wife to the concentrating camp during the war too?"
:> Jyodoushi have wo tsukatte uenoyouni iuto machigai?
: こういう難しい質問を私にしてはいけません。 なぜならば、私自身ちゃんと知
: らないからです。ごめんちゃい。
Anyway, they ain't no jodooshi in English, only hojodooshi.
Bart
Cindy
Don Kirkman <new...@abac.com> wrote in message
news:98pjhsoq1h7big35d...@4ax.com...
> No, the military commander (General Emmons) in Hawaii didn't want them
> evacuated; the only ones moved were one or two thousand who were
> suspects. The Japanese immigrants were too important a part of the
> Hawaiian culture and economy.
How very generous of him to think that way about the Japanese
(immigrants)! Especially during the WW2! Did MacArthur order him
to do that?
> On the West Coast there had been anti-Japanese agitation for over
forty
> years, and the local politicians and others, and the West Coast army
> commander (General DeWitt), agreed they should be evacuated; both
> military and political leaders in Washington, including Roosevelt,
> agreed. (Some of the Washington military worked with DeWitt to
persuade
> others.)
Yeah, my husband said that it had been a good idea because they were
able to protect the Japanese accordingly. On the other hand, some
Japanese were still holding grudges against the treatment. I think the
treatment was much more humane compare to the way Nazi did to the Jews
and the way the JIA did to ... you know who.
> My wife and her family were in Hawaii, so they weren't involved.
Woooow, that was close!
Lei Tanabe
> > "Had to send your wife to the concentrating camp during the war too?"
> > Jyodoushi have wo tsukatte uenoyouni iuto machigai?
>
> こういう難しい質問を私にしてはいけません。 なぜならば、私自身ちゃんと知
> らないからです。ごめんちゃい。
I also don't know what 'bunpou' says about this, but we say:
Do you have to --- ?
Did you have to --- ?
I don't have to --- .
I didn't have to --- .
I have to --- .
I had to --- .
Lei
Don Kirkman
<IE_R4.56559$fV.35...@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>:
>
>Mike Wright <dar...@CoastalFog.net> wrote in message
>news:39174B7D...@CoastalFog.net...
>> In those days, everyone got paid in cash. Even when I first went in,
>> we lined up to get paid on the last day of each month. We each marched
>> up to the table in helmet and pistol belt, saluted the pay officer,
>> and signed for our pay--then went by a table where a goodly chunk was
>> lost to "contributions" to the Red Cross, Army Emergency Relief, and
>> so on. I didn't get paid by check until I arrived in Taiwan.
>嘘！
>我不信君
You better believe! (to quote an Army byword from that era).
I too marched into the paymaster's office in Kokura every month to get
my scrip (can't even remember the official name for it, but we weren't
allowed to have US currency in those days); it wasn't all that different
from monopoly money. I was too early to be paid any way besides cash,
and a military branch of a US bank only opened a few months before I
left that post.
>> > Did they give him a US passport, a social security
>> > number, a military ID, a driver's license and a military credit
>> > union account?
>> Probably not a passport. I didn't have a passport when I went to
>> Taiwan. All I needed was my ID card and a set of orders (replaced by
>> an ID card from the ROC Military Liaison Office). I don't think I had
>> one the first time I was stationed in Japan, either. And, I didn't
>> need one to take leave in Taiwan.
We never got more than an ID, orders, and dog tags. My wife had a
passport because she was a civilian, and in fact she brought it to Japan
with her before we met.
[...]
>Yeah, the IRS won't miss you, otherwise they won't be able to collect
>money (income tax). You know Mike, I believe anybody who wants to pay
>tax to the US, they should give them a citizenship.
If they gave it ONLY to those who want to pay taxes there'd be mighty
few given out. :-)
[...]
>> > I think whoever drafted this man should be court-martialed.
>> Drafting was done by civilian civil servants, not by the military
>> services. You can't court-martial civilians.
>I wonder who could that be ...
>Who drafted Elvis Presley? He went to Germany, right? Why didn't he
>come to Japan?
Draft boards are local and individuals usually register with the board
that covers the area where they live. Elvis might have registered in
Tupelo, or maybe by then he was up in Tennessee.
Once he stepped through those doors, though, the Army told him where to
go, not the draft board.
>> It has never been a requirement that one be a citizen to enlist. I
>> knew several non-citizens in the Army--mostly Filipinos. As far as I
>> know, it is not a requirement now. However, in order to stay in and
>> continue getting promoted, getting one's US citizenship soon after the
>> waiting period ended was "strongly encouraged".
In fact hasn't the non-citizenship of many Filipinos from WW II become
an issue because they were promised (I think there's enough evidence to
say that) citizenship at the end of the war and not all have gotten it
even yet?
>That's amazing! I didn't know that! I think those Japanese youngsters
>should be sent to their training camp just to get basic training. I
>don't mean the basic training is firing a weapon, rather like learning
>how to make a bed, how to do the laundry, how to deal with the pressure
>from a drill sergeant and how to take a leadership.
That's what mothers are for. Compared to the average [insert
ethnicity/nationality/culture here] mother a drill sergeant is a pussy
cat. :-)
Cindy
<new...@abac.com> writes:
>You better believe! (to quote an Army byword from that era).
>
>I too marched into the paymaster's office in Kokura every month to get
>my scrip (can't even remember the official name for it, but we weren't
>allowed to have US currency in those days); it wasn't all that different
>from monopoly money. I was too early to be paid any way besides cash,
>and a military branch of a US bank only opened a few months before I
>left that post.
Wow....
May I ask you when you stationed in Japan? moshikashite during the occupation
era?
>We never got more than an ID, orders, and dog tags. My wife had a
>passport because she was a civilian, and in fact she brought it to Japan
>with her before we met.
I think the reasons why the US didn't give passports to service men are: they
didn't want them to exile to other countries and to save hassle to actually
issue each passport.
>>Yeah, the IRS won't miss you, otherwise they won't be able to collect
>>money (income tax). You know Mike, I believe anybody who wants to pay
>>tax to the US, they should give them a citizenship.
>
>If they gave it ONLY to those who want to pay taxes there'd be mighty
>few given out. :-)
I agree.
>Draft boards are local and individuals usually register with the board
>that covers the area where they live. Elvis might have registered in
>Tupelo, or maybe by then he was up in Tennessee.
>
>Once he stepped through those doors, though, the Army told him where to
>go, not the draft board.
What did Elvis exactly do in Germany?
>In fact hasn't the non-citizenship of many Filipinos from WW II become
>an issue because they were promised (I think there's enough evidence to
>say that) citizenship at the end of the war and not all have gotten it
>even yet?
Really? I don't know. Did MacArthur say that?
>>That's amazing! I didn't know that! I think those Japanese youngsters
>>should be sent to their training camp just to get basic training. I
>>don't mean the basic training is firing a weapon, rather like learning
>>how to make a bed, how to do the laundry, how to deal with the pressure
>>from a drill sergeant and how to take a leadership.
>
>That's what mothers are for. Compared to the average [insert
>ethnicity/nationality/culture here] mother a drill sergeant is a pussy
In order to be a drill sergeant mom, you will have to have your child/children
sign up a contract in front of your attorney. The contract says that they will
never sue you.
Don Kirkman
>Don Kirkman <new...@abac.com> wrote in message
>news:98pjhsoq1h7big35d...@4ax.com...
>> No, the military commander (General Emmons) in Hawaii didn't want them
>> evacuated; the only ones moved were one or two thousand who were
>> suspects. The Japanese immigrants were too important a part of the
>> Hawaiian culture and economy.
>How very generous of him to think that way about the Japanese
>(immigrants)! Especially during the WW2! Did MacArthur order him
>to do that?
No, MacArthur was commander in the Philippines at the time (Corregidor,
Bataan). Emmons actually dragged his feet somewhat when Washington
ordered him to prepare a list of potential evacuees, and the order
quietly disappeared over the next few months.
>> On the West Coast there had been anti-Japanese agitation for over
>> forty years, and the local politicians and others, and the West Coast
>> army commander (General DeWitt), agreed they should be evacuated; both
>> military and political leaders in Washington, including Roosevelt,
>> agreed. (Some of the Washington military worked with DeWitt to
>> persuade others.)
>Yeah, my husband said that it had been a good idea because they were
>able to protect the Japanese accordingly. On the other hand, some
>Japanese were still holding grudges against the treatment. I think the
>treatment was much more humane compare to the way Nazi did to the Jews
>and the way the JIA did to ... you know who.
That was one of the published reasons, but most Nikkei didn't believe it
and, based on my own research, neither do I. The JA grudge was/is fully
justified. I'll skip the details for now.
>> My wife and her family were in Hawaii, so they weren't involved.
>Woooow, that was close!
Well, not as much as it might seem. The sugar and pineapple wouldn't
have been harvested without the Nikkei (and workers of many other ethnic
backgrounds).
Jim Breen
>>I think the reasons why the US didn't give passports to service men are: they
>>didn't want them to exile to other countries and to save hassle to actually
>>issue each passport.
Many governments don't issue passports to service-people while on duty
overseas. A passport is an endorsement by a country that a certain person
has the status of citizen or whatever, and more importantly, requests that
other countries let that person enter/pass through without hindrance.
Service-people are really in another country on a different basis,
either to do with combat, occupation, or by some specific military
agreement/alliance/etc. The arrangements that apply to tourists, etc.
simply don't apply.
--
Jim Breen [j.b...@csse.monash.edu.au http://www.csse.monash.edu.au/~jwb/]
Computer Science & Software Engineering, Tel: +61 3 9905 3298
Monash University, Fax: +61 3 9905 3574
Clayton VIC 3168, Australia ジム・ブリーン@モナシュ大学
brettr
> Cindy <cind...@aol.com> wrote:
>
> >>I think the reasons why the US didn't give passports to service men are: they
> >>didn't want them to exile to other countries and to save hassle to actually
> >>issue each passport.
>
> Many governments don't issue passports to service-people while on duty
> overseas. A passport is an endorsement by a country that a certain person
> has the status of citizen or whatever, and more importantly, requests that
> other countries let that person enter/pass through without hindrance.
Depends on the type of service. With active service you take nothing
other than
your dog tags. You shouldn't even take your military id into a combat
zone. However
a lot of overseas duty involves travel on civilian aircraft and local
residence,
examples include study, personnel exchange, staff visits etc. Basically
if you are
carrying a rifle - no passport. If you are carrying a suitcase -
passport.
Hopefully you have a diplomatic passport, because occupation of "Army
Officer"
usually gets a few interesting questions. I was always "government
employee" or
"communication engineer".
This is one reason permission for R&R visits is "negotiated" between
governments.
There is no immigration control.
brettr
--
Surviving in Australia
================
1. Don't ever put your hand down a hole, for any reason whatsoever.
2. The beer is stronger than you think, regardless of how strong you
think it is.
3. Always carry a stick.
4. Air-conditioning.
5. Do not attempt to use Australian slang, unless you are a trained
linguist and
good in a fist fight.
6. Take good maps. Stopping to ask directions only works when there are
people
nearby.
7. If you leave the urban areas, carry several litres of water with you
at all
times, or you will die.
8. Even in the most embellished stories told by Australians, there is
always a core
of truth that is unwise to
ignore
Ross Klatte
>Date: 2000-05-12 17:55 Eastern Daylight Time
>In article <kncmhs04jhcur575n...@4ax.com>, Don Kirkman
><new...@abac.com> writes:
>
>>You better believe! (to quote an Army byword from that era).
>>
>>I too marched into the paymaster's office in Kokura every month to get
>>my scrip (can't even remember the official name for it, but we weren't
>>allowed to have US currency in those days); it wasn't all that different
>>from monopoly money. I was too early to be paid any way besides cash,
>>and a military branch of a US bank only opened a few months before I
>>left that post.
On the topic of getting paid in cash:
When I was in Ube, there was a large manufacturing plant there
with several thousand workers. Employees were paid in cash.
On payday, two young ladies and a rather decrepit male
finance clerk would tote the cash in canvas baskets without lids
across the main yard from the finance office to the break room
where the pay was delivered. It was a distance of about a
hundred yards. This route took them past the main gate to
the street, about twenty yards from the gate. As far as I know
the gate was never ever closed for any reason. To top it off,
about a quarter mile down the street from the main gate was an
office of the yakuza gang Yamaguchigumi. If there happened
to be a rumble planned, you could see the tattooed hoodlums
milling around in front of their headquarters. Meanwhile, the
office ladies placidly sat there handing out stacks of cash,
totally unconcerned. "Toto, this is not Kansas."
>May I ask you when you stationed in Japan? moshikashite during the
>occupation
>era?
Don Kirkman arrived with the Black Ships.
>>Once he stepped through those doors, though, the Army told him where to
>>go, not the draft board.
>
>What did Elvis exactly do in Germany?
>
I think maybe he was in the motor pool, or something. He
definitely do not do any performing.
He was from a different era. No rock star or sports star was
ever drafted to Vietnam. I think the only celebrity potential
draftee was Mohammad Ali.
Cindy
klatt...@aol.commmm (Ross Klatte) writes:
>To top it off,
>about a quarter mile down the street from the main gate was an
>office of the yakuza gang Yamaguchigumi. If there happened
>to be a rumble planned, you could see the tattooed hoodlums
>milling around in front of their headquarters. Meanwhile, the
>office ladies placidly sat there handing out stacks of cash,
>totally unconcerned. "Toto, this is not Kansas."
I believe some Yakuza groups were dedicating to local people when Japan was
messed up, like Shimizu no Jirocho oyabun.
>Don Kirkman arrived with the Black Ships.
Ah, no wonder. Do you notice he has been an extremely good history teacher?
>>What did Elvis exactly do in Germany?
>>
>I think maybe he was in the motor pool, or something. He
>definitely do not do any performing.
>He was from a different era. No rock star or sports star was
>ever drafted to Vietnam. I think the only celebrity potential
>draftee was Mohammad Ali.
Yeah, I am sure it would be pretty risky to send celebrities to battlefield
because they could become the commanders.
Cindy
<new...@abac.com> writes:
>That was one of the published reasons, but most Nikkei didn't believe it
>and, based on my own research, neither do I. The JA grudge was/is fully
>justified. I'll skip the details for now.
>
As a matter of fact, good Japanese reputations had been brought up by those
Nikkei indeed: patient, industrious, responsible, polite, obedient,
disciplined, kind, quiet and so on. Nowadays, I hear Japanese expats
complaining "imadoki no wakai Nihonjin wa: extremely impatient, talking
bullshits, complaining too much, kissing ass, materialistic, smart ass,
selfish, oddly Americanized and so on.
While I was away from Japan, what the hell happened to Japan?
By the way, Don, I accidentally invented a word today:
assholic
Meaning: The combination of asshole and alcoholic
Do you like it?
Jim Breen
>>Yeah, I am sure it would be pretty risky to send celebrities to battlefield
>>because they could become the commanders.
How else could they keep bursting into song during the
Hollywood film based on their lives?
westerfluss
> <8fb27i$3fv$13$1...@news.t-online.com>:
>
> Cindy's message hasn't gotten to me yet, so I'll do a twoferone.
>
Kirkman
> >> <new...@abac.com> writes:
>
> >> >Their status and the [assumed] tendency of Kibei to be more
> >> >supportive of Imperial Japan played a role in the decision to
> >> >evacuate all Nikkei from the US West Coast in 1942,
> >> >though the role was more that of whipping up emotions than
> >> >providing actual evidence of any disloyalty.
>
> >> All Nikkei-jin from Hawaii too? I met old waitresses in Pearl
City
> >> Tavern, they told me how they were bullied after the Pearl Harbor
attack.
the war too?
>
> No, the military commander (General Emmons) in Hawaii didn't want
them
> evacuated; the only ones moved were one or two thousand who were
> suspects. The Japanese immigrants were too important a part of the
> Hawaiian culture and economy.
>
It is my first time to hear the name of General Emmons. A street or a
more wider street is named after Admiral Nimitz. But General Emmons
isn't. Right?
> On the West Coast there had been anti-Japanese agitation for over
forty
> years, and the local politicians and others, and the West Coast army
> commander (General DeWitt), agreed they should be evacuated; both
> military and political leaders in Washington, including Roosevelt,
> agreed. (Some of the Washington military worked with DeWitt to
persuade
> others.)
>
> My wife and her family were in Hawaii, so they weren't involved.
>
> >Sumimasen Cindy-san eigo no bunpou wo wasuretanode sitsumon.
> >"Had to send your wife to the concentrating camp during the war
too?"
> >Jyodoushi have wo tsukatte uenoyouni iuto machigai?
>
> Good question. Cindy has it right; because she started with 'did
you
> have to . . .' the present form 'have' is correct, but if the 'have'
> were the main verb in the sentence it would be the past form 'had.'
>
> 'Did/do/will you have to . . . '
> 'He had to . . . .'
> --
Thank you for the answer Don and everybody. I just simply thought
three verbs in a sentence, "doushi" and "hojyodoushi", could be
reduced to two.
Westerfluss
Cindy
Jim Breen <j...@nexus.csse.monash.edu.au> wrote in message
news:8flb8j$rq4$1...@towncrier.cc.monash.edu.au...
> Cindy <cind...@aol.com> wrote:
>
> >>Yeah, I am sure it would be pretty risky to send celebrities to
battlefield
> >>because they could become the commanders.
>
> How else could they keep bursting into song during the
> Hollywood film based on their lives?
I think Tommy Lee Jones will make a great commander.
Mike Wright
Yeah, but can he sing?
Ross Klatte
>Date: 2000-05-14 15:21 Eastern Daylight Time
>I think Tommy Lee Jones will make a great commander.
of Wacs.
Ben Bullock
> "imadoki no wakai Nihonjin wa: extremely impatient, talking
> bullshits
Since it's open season on countable nouns here, I would
like to point out that I've never counted bullshit before either.
Sean Holland
> そんな難い事言わず、今度っから数えられるようにしようよ！ ・・・と言うか、
> 今度から数えようよ！
いいんだよ。Kanjisもbullshitsも同じような英語だよ。牧場を歩くと、この牛の糞
やあの牛の糞
が見えてくるよ。糞を一つ一つ数える時one bullshit, two bullshitsと言えば論理
的だろうね。普通に言えないけど論理的だから言ってもいいだろう。Kanjisと同じよ
うなもんじゃないか。
Mike Wright
>
> >From: "Cindy" cind...@worldnet.att.net
> >Date: 2000-05-14 15:21 Eastern Daylight Time
>
> >I think Tommy Lee Jones will make a great commander.
>
> of Wacs.
You're livin' in the past, Ross. The WAC was done away with decades
ago. I bet most young soldiers wouldn't even recognize the term,
unless female soldiers are introduced to it in basic training as part
of a history lesson.
Cindy
Ben Bullock <haya...@syd.odn.ne.jp> wrote in message
news:8fnglb$ou9$1...@nwms2.odn.ne.jp...
そんな難い事言わず、今度っから数えられるようにしようよ！ ・・・と言う
か、今度から数えようよ！
Cindy
Mike Wright <dar...@CoastalFog.net> wrote in message
> Cindy wrote:
> >
> > Jim Breen <j...@nexus.csse.monash.edu.au> wrote in message
> > news:8flb8j$rq4$1...@towncrier.cc.monash.edu.au...
> > > Cindy <cind...@aol.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > >>Yeah, I am sure it would be pretty risky to send celebrities to
> > battlefield
> > > >>because they could become the commanders.
> > >
> > > How else could they keep bursting into song during the
> > > Hollywood film based on their lives?
> >
>
The Star-Spangled Banner...?
Lei Tanabe
"Ben Bullock" <haya...@syd.odn.ne.jp> wrote in message
news:8fnglb$ou9$1...@nwms2.odn.ne.jp...
> Cindy <cind...@aol.com> wrote in message
> news:20000514001948...@nso-cn.aol.com...
> > "imadoki no wakai Nihonjin wa: extremely impatient, talking
> > bullshits
>
> Since it's open season on countable nouns here, I would
> like to point out that I've never counted bullshit before either.
Probably she meant bullshits of all types:)
Lei
Ben Bullock
Sean Holland <seho...@islandnet.com> wrote in message
news:391F7C1B...@islandnet.com...
> Cindy wrote:
>
> > そんな難い事言わず、今度っから数えられるようにしようよ！ ・・・と言う
か、
> > 今度から数えようよ！
>
糞
> やあの牛の糞
> が見えてくるよ。糞を一つ一つ数える時one bullshit, two bullshitsと言えば論
理
> 的だろうね。
「bullshit」は英語で普通「牛糞（ぎゅうふん）」という意味よりも「でたらめ」
「大げさ」
「ナンセンス」などの意味を表します。もし牛糞の意味でbullshitを使えば可算名詞
ではありますが、でたらめの意味で使う場合は不可算名詞です。Cindyさんが
日本人だから勝手に英語を間違ってもホランド先生はその余裕がないでしょう。
> 普通に言えないけど論理的だから言ってもいいだろう。Kanjisと同じよ
> うなもんじゃないか。
漢字は英語で不可算名詞だとですか、ホランド先生？！。そうすれば I don't know
much kanji が正しい英語でしょうね。
カナダの英語はおどろくほどのものですね。
0
Jani Patokallio
> そうすれば I don't know much kanji が正しい英語でしょうね。
違います。 "I don't know many kanji"の方がいいです。 単数の部分について、
"much"を使って、事の件数は"many"です。
I'll switch to English before I slaughter the language even more.
"Bullshit" is an abstract concept, all instances of bullshit are a part of
an ideal bullshit sitting in a cave somewhere (with apologies to Plato),
so you can't have many "bullshits". Similarly, you can't have many
wisdoms, you can only have much wisdom.
However, "kanji" are countable, they just happen to have (in some people's
opinion, including mine) the same singular and plural forms, like eg. "sheep"
and "quid". So there are many sheep and many kanji(s), regardless of
how you spell it.
> カナダの英語はおどろくほどのものですね。
フィンランドの日本語はもっとおどろくでしょう...
-j.
Ross Klatte
>Date: 2000-05-15 00:55 Eastern Daylight Time
>Ross Klatte wrote:
>> >From: "Cindy" cind...@worldnet.att.net
>> >Date: 2000-05-14 15:21 Eastern Daylight Time
>
>You're livin' in the past, Ross. The WAC was done away with decades
>ago. I bet most young soldiers wouldn't even recognize the term,
>unless female soldiers are introduced to it in basic training as part
>of a history lesson.
>--
>Mike Wright
>http://www.CoastalFog.net
That's a shame. The WACs were a great bunch of girls.
As for Tommy Lee Jones, if he were a lieutenant in Vietnam, and
he acted the way he does in his movies, he would have been
fragged on his second night.
My idea of a great commander: Dwight Eisenhower.
Are there females in the SDF?
Cindy
> > うなもんじゃないか。
>
> 漢字は英語で不可算名詞だとですか、ホランド先生？！。そうすれば I don't
know
> much kanji が正しい英語でしょうね。
>
> カナダの英語はおどろくほどのものですね。
またこういう書き方をする！ ↑ めっ！
それじゃ、ベンちゃんに問題。 下の文章を読んで問いに答えて下さい。
文章
昨晩、私は主人にこう言いました。
「ニュースグループで、bullshit を bullshits って複数形にしたのよ。そした
ら、オーストラリアのジムから注意されちゃったのよ。」
すると、主人は考えるような素振りをして、「bullshitS」と低く発音しまし
た。その後、「ウヒヒ」と短く不気味に笑いました。 私はあわてて「どういう
意味？」と質問しました。しかし、彼は急いでベッドに横たわると、枕で頭を隠
して、返答する事を拒否しました。
問題
彼はなぜ不気味に笑い、妻の質問に答えなかったのでしょうか。
Cindy
>
> > そんな難い事言わず、今度っから数えられるようにしようよ！ ・・・と言
うか、
> > 今度から数えようよ！
>
> いいんだよ。Kanjisもbullshitsも同じような英語だよ。牧場を歩くと、この
牛の糞
> やあの牛の糞
> が見えてくるよ。糞を一つ一つ数える時one bullshit, two bullshitsと言え
ば論理
同じよ
> うなもんじゃないか。
こう言って慰めてくれるのはショーン先生だけです。うっうっうっ
Louis Patterson
>Ben Bullock wrote:
>> そうすれば I don't know much kanji が正しい英語でしょうね。
>
>違います。 "I don't know many kanji"の方がいいです。 単数の部分について、
>"much"を使って、事の件数は"many"です。
>
>I'll switch to English before I slaughter the language even more.
>"Bullshit" is an abstract concept, all instances of bullshit are a part of
>an ideal bullshit sitting in a cave somewhere (with apologies to Plato),
>so you can't have many "bullshits". Similarly, you can't have many
>wisdoms, you can only have much wisdom.
>
>However, "kanji" are countable, they just happen to have (in some people's
>opinion, including mine) the same singular and plural forms, like eg. "sheep"
>and "quid". So there are many sheep and many kanji(s), regardless of
>how you spell it.
You can tell that kanji are countable by the fact that they take
plural verbs, and bullshit don't. Sure, most verbs only inflect for
number in the 3p present, but most verbs are used with auxiluaries
that inflect for number [have in present, be in past and present].
Which is how we english speakers can get away with obligatory number
marking *and* the existance of nouns that don't inflect for number.
Louis
--
Louis Patterson l...@students.cs.mu.oz.au
Mike Wright
>
> >From: Mike Wright dar...@CoastalFog.net
> >Date: 2000-05-15 00:55 Eastern Daylight Time
> >Ross Klatte wrote:
> >> >From: "Cindy" cind...@worldnet.att.net
> >> >Date: 2000-05-14 15:21 Eastern Daylight Time
> >> >I think Tommy Lee Jones will make a great commander.
> >> of Wacs.
> >
> >You're livin' in the past, Ross. The WAC was done away with decades
> >ago. I bet most young soldiers wouldn't even recognize the term,
> >unless female soldiers are introduced to it in basic training as part
> >of a history lesson.
> >--
> >Mike Wright
> >http://www.CoastalFog.net
>
> That's a shame. The WACs were a great bunch of girls.
Ah. They've been replaced by a great bunch of women.
> As for Tommy Lee Jones, if he were a lieutenant in Vietnam, and
> he acted the way he does in his movies, he would have been
> fragged on his second night.
Movies and TV shows are seldom very well researched. In most cases the
actors are at the mercy of the writers. The reason I enjoy TV shows
like "Xena, Warrior Princess" is that they make no pretense at
historical accuracy. What I cannot stand is a "realistic" show about
the military in which career military personnel refer to magazines as
"clips", small arms as "guns", and PWs as "PoWs"--and who say "Over
and out" on the radio.
> My idea of a great commander: Dwight Eisenhower.
But dead guys are not eligible.
> Are there females in the SDF?
I believe that there are.
--
Mike Wright
http://www.CoastalFog.net
enochan
Cindy <cind...@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
news:PV0U4.67921$fV.41...@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
>
[snip]
>
> 昨晩、私は主人にこう言いました。
>
> 「ニュースグループで、bullshit を bullshits って複数形にしたのよ。
> そしたら、オーストラリアのジムから注意されちゃったのよ。」
>
> すると、主人は考えるような素振りをして、「bullshitS」と低く発音
> てて「どういう意味？」と質問しました。しかし、彼は急いでベッド
>に横たわると、枕で頭を隠して、返答する事を拒否しました。
>
>
> 問題
>
> 彼はなぜ不気味に笑い、妻の質問に答えなかったのでしょうか。
>
I think he said:
(A) bull shits. [verb]
Or
(He/she) bullshits. [verb]
Or
(They are all) bullshits. [noun = bullshit artists]
enochan
brettr
> What I cannot stand is a "realistic" show about
> the military in which career military personnel refer to magazines as
> "clips", small arms as "guns", and PWs as "PoWs"--and who say "Over
> and out" on the radio.
... and need a hair cut.