In article <kncmhs04jhcur575nu2j2oodj20r68b...@4ax.com>, Don Kirkman
<news...@abac.com> writes: >You better believe! (to quote an Army byword from that era).
>I too marched into the paymaster's office in Kokura every month to get >my scrip (can't even remember the official name for it, but we weren't >allowed to have US currency in those days); it wasn't all that different >from monopoly money. I was too early to be paid any way besides cash, >and a military branch of a US bank only opened a few months before I >left that post.
Wow....
May I ask you when you stationed in Japan? moshikashite during the occupation era?
>We never got more than an ID, orders, and dog tags. My wife had a >passport because she was a civilian, and in fact she brought it to Japan >with her before we met.
I think the reasons why the US didn't give passports to service men are: they didn't want them to exile to other countries and to save hassle to actually issue each passport.
>>Yeah, the IRS won't miss you, otherwise they won't be able to collect >>money (income tax). You know Mike, I believe anybody who wants to pay >>tax to the US, they should give them a citizenship.
>If they gave it ONLY to those who want to pay taxes there'd be mighty >few given out. :-)
I agree.
>Draft boards are local and individuals usually register with the board >that covers the area where they live. Elvis might have registered in >Tupelo, or maybe by then he was up in Tennessee.
>Once he stepped through those doors, though, the Army told him where to >go, not the draft board.
What did Elvis exactly do in Germany?
>In fact hasn't the non-citizenship of many Filipinos from WW II become >an issue because they were promised (I think there's enough evidence to >say that) citizenship at the end of the war and not all have gotten it >even yet?
Really? I don't know. Did MacArthur say that?
>>That's amazing! I didn't know that! I think those Japanese youngsters >>should be sent to their training camp just to get basic training. I >>don't mean the basic training is firing a weapon, rather like learning >>how to make a bed, how to do the laundry, how to deal with the pressure >>from a drill sergeant and how to take a leadership.
>That's what mothers are for. Compared to the average [insert >ethnicity/nationality/culture here] mother a drill sergeant is a pussy
In order to be a drill sergeant mom, you will have to have your child/children sign up a contract in front of your attorney. The contract says that they will never sue you.
It seems to me I heard somewhere that Cindy wrote in article <AfpS4.58900$fV.3659...@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>:
>Don Kirkman <news...@abac.com> wrote in message >news:98pjhsoq1h7big35dr2f5qjk9tdia931ip@4ax.com... >> No, the military commander (General Emmons) in Hawaii didn't want them >> evacuated; the only ones moved were one or two thousand who were >> suspects. The Japanese immigrants were too important a part of the >> Hawaiian culture and economy. >How very generous of him to think that way about the Japanese >(immigrants)! Especially during the WW2! Did MacArthur order him >to do that?
No, MacArthur was commander in the Philippines at the time (Corregidor, Bataan). Emmons actually dragged his feet somewhat when Washington ordered him to prepare a list of potential evacuees, and the order quietly disappeared over the next few months.
>> On the West Coast there had been anti-Japanese agitation for over >> forty years, and the local politicians and others, and the West Coast >> army commander (General DeWitt), agreed they should be evacuated; both >> military and political leaders in Washington, including Roosevelt, >> agreed. (Some of the Washington military worked with DeWitt to >> persuade others.) >Yeah, my husband said that it had been a good idea because they were >able to protect the Japanese accordingly. On the other hand, some >Japanese were still holding grudges against the treatment. I think the >treatment was much more humane compare to the way Nazi did to the Jews >and the way the JIA did to ... you know who.
That was one of the published reasons, but most Nikkei didn't believe it and, based on my own research, neither do I. The JA grudge was/is fully justified. I'll skip the details for now.
>> My wife and her family were in Hawaii, so they weren't involved. >Woooow, that was close!
Well, not as much as it might seem. The sugar and pineapple wouldn't have been harvested without the Nikkei (and workers of many other ethnic backgrounds). -- Don Kirkman "Fool someone once . . . and they'll feel foolish for a day . .. . . . but teach them to fool themselves and they'll be foolish for a lifetime." M. Fry & T. Lewis, 'Over the Hedge'
Cindy <cindyd...@aol.com> wrote: >>I think the reasons why the US didn't give passports to service men are: they >>didn't want them to exile to other countries and to save hassle to actually >>issue each passport.
Many governments don't issue passports to service-people while on duty overseas. A passport is an endorsement by a country that a certain person has the status of citizen or whatever, and more importantly, requests that other countries let that person enter/pass through without hindrance.
Service-people are really in another country on a different basis, either to do with combat, occupation, or by some specific military agreement/alliance/etc. The arrangements that apply to tourists, etc. simply don't apply. -- Jim Breen [j.br...@csse.monash.edu.au http://www.csse.monash.edu.au/~jwb/] Computer Science & Software Engineering, Tel: +61 3 9905 3298 Monash University, Fax: +61 3 9905 3574 Clayton VIC 3168, Australia ジム・ブリーン@モナシュ大学
Jim Breen wrote: > Cindy <cindyd...@aol.com> wrote:
> >>I think the reasons why the US didn't give passports to service men are: they > >>didn't want them to exile to other countries and to save hassle to actually > >>issue each passport.
> Many governments don't issue passports to service-people while on duty > overseas. A passport is an endorsement by a country that a certain person > has the status of citizen or whatever, and more importantly, requests that > other countries let that person enter/pass through without hindrance.
Depends on the type of service. With active service you take nothing other than your dog tags. You shouldn't even take your military id into a combat zone. However a lot of overseas duty involves travel on civilian aircraft and local residence, examples include study, personnel exchange, staff visits etc. Basically if you are carrying a rifle - no passport. If you are carrying a suitcase - passport. Hopefully you have a diplomatic passport, because occupation of "Army Officer" usually gets a few interesting questions. I was always "government employee" or "communication engineer".
This is one reason permission for R&R visits is "negotiated" between governments. There is no immigration control.
brettr
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>From: cindyd...@aol.com (Cindy ) >Date: 2000-05-12 17:55 Eastern Daylight Time >In article <kncmhs04jhcur575nu2j2oodj20r68b...@4ax.com>, Don Kirkman ><news...@abac.com> writes:
>>You better believe! (to quote an Army byword from that era).
>>I too marched into the paymaster's office in Kokura every month to get >>my scrip (can't even remember the official name for it, but we weren't >>allowed to have US currency in those days); it wasn't all that different >>from monopoly money. I was too early to be paid any way besides cash, >>and a military branch of a US bank only opened a few months before I >>left that post.
On the topic of getting paid in cash:
When I was in Ube, there was a large manufacturing plant there with several thousand workers. Employees were paid in cash. On payday, two young ladies and a rather decrepit male finance clerk would tote the cash in canvas baskets without lids across the main yard from the finance office to the break room where the pay was delivered. It was a distance of about a hundred yards. This route took them past the main gate to the street, about twenty yards from the gate. As far as I know the gate was never ever closed for any reason. To top it off, about a quarter mile down the street from the main gate was an office of the yakuza gang Yamaguchigumi. If there happened to be a rumble planned, you could see the tattooed hoodlums milling around in front of their headquarters. Meanwhile, the office ladies placidly sat there handing out stacks of cash, totally unconcerned. "Toto, this is not Kansas."
>May I ask you when you stationed in Japan? moshikashite during the >occupation >era?
Don Kirkman arrived with the Black Ships.
>>Once he stepped through those doors, though, the Army told him where to >>go, not the draft board.
>What did Elvis exactly do in Germany?
I think maybe he was in the motor pool, or something. He definitely do not do any performing. He was from a different era. No rock star or sports star was ever drafted to Vietnam. I think the only celebrity potential draftee was Mohammad Ali.
In article <20000513064000.19271.00002...@ng-fv1.aol.com>,
klatter...@aol.commmm (Ross Klatte) writes: >To top it off, >about a quarter mile down the street from the main gate was an >office of the yakuza gang Yamaguchigumi. If there happened >to be a rumble planned, you could see the tattooed hoodlums >milling around in front of their headquarters. Meanwhile, the >office ladies placidly sat there handing out stacks of cash, >totally unconcerned. "Toto, this is not Kansas."
I believe some Yakuza groups were dedicating to local people when Japan was messed up, like Shimizu no Jirocho oyabun.
>Don Kirkman arrived with the Black Ships.
Ah, no wonder. Do you notice he has been an extremely good history teacher?
>>What did Elvis exactly do in Germany?
>I think maybe he was in the motor pool, or something. He >definitely do not do any performing. >He was from a different era. No rock star or sports star was >ever drafted to Vietnam. I think the only celebrity potential >draftee was Mohammad Ali.
Yeah, I am sure it would be pretty risky to send celebrities to battlefield because they could become the commanders.
In article <dflohs0oieno3h0v3mc5e8m8hqn50rl...@4ax.com>, Don Kirkman
<news...@abac.com> writes: >That was one of the published reasons, but most Nikkei didn't believe it >and, based on my own research, neither do I. The JA grudge was/is fully >justified. I'll skip the details for now.
As a matter of fact, good Japanese reputations had been brought up by those Nikkei indeed: patient, industrious, responsible, polite, obedient, disciplined, kind, quiet and so on. Nowadays, I hear Japanese expats complaining "imadoki no wakai Nihonjin wa: extremely impatient, talking bullshits, complaining too much, kissing ass, materialistic, smart ass, selfish, oddly Americanized and so on.
While I was away from Japan, what the hell happened to Japan?
By the way, Don, I accidentally invented a word today:
Cindy <cindyd...@aol.com> wrote: >>Yeah, I am sure it would be pretty risky to send celebrities to battlefield >>because they could become the commanders.
How else could they keep bursting into song during the Hollywood film based on their lives?
> >> >Their status and the [assumed] tendency of Kibei to be more > >> >supportive of Imperial Japan played a role in the decision to > >> >evacuate all Nikkei from the US West Coast in 1942, > >> >though the role was more that of whipping up emotions than > >> >providing actual evidence of any disloyalty.
> >> All Nikkei-jin from Hawaii too? I met old waitresses in Pearl City > >> Tavern, they told me how they were bullied after the Pearl Harbor attack. > >> Did you have to send your wife to the concentrating camp during the war too?
> No, the military commander (General Emmons) in Hawaii didn't want them > evacuated; the only ones moved were one or two thousand who were > suspects. The Japanese immigrants were too important a part of the > Hawaiian culture and economy.
It is my first time to hear the name of General Emmons. A street or a more wider street is named after Admiral Nimitz. But General Emmons isn't. Right?
> On the West Coast there had been anti-Japanese agitation for over forty > years, and the local politicians and others, and the West Coast army > commander (General DeWitt), agreed they should be evacuated; both > military and political leaders in Washington, including Roosevelt, > agreed. (Some of the Washington military worked with DeWitt to persuade > others.)
> My wife and her family were in Hawaii, so they weren't involved.
> >Sumimasen Cindy-san eigo no bunpou wo wasuretanode sitsumon. > >"Had to send your wife to the concentrating camp during the war too?" > >Jyodoushi have wo tsukatte uenoyouni iuto machigai?
> Good question. Cindy has it right; because she started with 'did you > have to . . .' the present form 'have' is correct, but if the 'have' > were the main verb in the sentence it would be the past form 'had.'
> 'Did/do/will you have to . . . ' > 'He had to . . . .' > --
Thank you for the answer Don and everybody. I just simply thought three verbs in a sentence, "doushi" and "hojyodoushi", could be reduced to two.
> > >>Yeah, I am sure it would be pretty risky to send celebrities to > battlefield > > >>because they could become the commanders.
> > How else could they keep bursting into song during the > > Hollywood film based on their lives?
> I think Tommy Lee Jones will make a great commander.
Yeah, but can he sing?
-- Mike Wright http://www.CoastalFog.net __________________________________________________ Seldom does any linguist ever agree with any other linguist about anything. -- Greg Lee
> >I think Tommy Lee Jones will make a great commander.
> of Wacs.
You're livin' in the past, Ross. The WAC was done away with decades ago. I bet most young soldiers wouldn't even recognize the term, unless female soldiers are introduced to it in basic training as part of a history lesson.
-- Mike Wright http://www.CoastalFog.net __________________________________________________ Seldom does any linguist ever agree with any other linguist about anything. -- Greg Lee
Ben Bullock wrote: > そうすれば I don't know much kanji が正しい英語でしょうね。
違います。 "I don't know many kanji"の方がいいです。 単数の部分について、 "much"を使って、事の件数は"many"です。
I'll switch to English before I slaughter the language even more. "Bullshit" is an abstract concept, all instances of bullshit are a part of an ideal bullshit sitting in a cave somewhere (with apologies to Plato), so you can't have many "bullshits". Similarly, you can't have many wisdoms, you can only have much wisdom.
However, "kanji" are countable, they just happen to have (in some people's opinion, including mine) the same singular and plural forms, like eg. "sheep" and "quid". So there are many sheep and many kanji(s), regardless of how you spell it.
>From: Mike Wright dar...@CoastalFog.net >Date: 2000-05-15 00:55 Eastern Daylight Time >Ross Klatte wrote: >> >From: "Cindy" cindyd...@worldnet.att.net >> >Date: 2000-05-14 15:21 Eastern Daylight Time >> >I think Tommy Lee Jones will make a great commander. >> of Wacs.
>You're livin' in the past, Ross. The WAC was done away with decades >ago. I bet most young soldiers wouldn't even recognize the term, >unless female soldiers are introduced to it in basic training as part >of a history lesson. >-- >Mike Wright >http://www.CoastalFog.net
That's a shame. The WACs were a great bunch of girls. As for Tommy Lee Jones, if he were a lieutenant in Vietnam, and he acted the way he does in his movies, he would have been fragged on his second night. My idea of a great commander: Dwight Eisenhower.
On Mon, 15 May 2000, Jani Patokallio wrote: >Ben Bullock wrote: >> そうすれば I don't know much kanji が正しい英語でしょうね。
>違います。 "I don't know many kanji"の方がいいです。 単数の部分について、 >"much"を使って、事の件数は"many"です。
>I'll switch to English before I slaughter the language even more. >"Bullshit" is an abstract concept, all instances of bullshit are a part of >an ideal bullshit sitting in a cave somewhere (with apologies to Plato), >so you can't have many "bullshits". Similarly, you can't have many >wisdoms, you can only have much wisdom.
>However, "kanji" are countable, they just happen to have (in some people's >opinion, including mine) the same singular and plural forms, like eg. "sheep" >and "quid". So there are many sheep and many kanji(s), regardless of >how you spell it.
You can tell that kanji are countable by the fact that they take plural verbs, and bullshit don't. Sure, most verbs only inflect for number in the 3p present, but most verbs are used with auxiluaries that inflect for number [have in present, be in past and present].
Which is how we english speakers can get away with obligatory number marking *and* the existance of nouns that don't inflect for number.
Louis -- Louis Patterson l...@students.cs.mu.oz.au
> >From: Mike Wright dar...@CoastalFog.net > >Date: 2000-05-15 00:55 Eastern Daylight Time > >Ross Klatte wrote: > >> >From: "Cindy" cindyd...@worldnet.att.net > >> >Date: 2000-05-14 15:21 Eastern Daylight Time > >> >I think Tommy Lee Jones will make a great commander. > >> of Wacs.
> >You're livin' in the past, Ross. The WAC was done away with decades > >ago. I bet most young soldiers wouldn't even recognize the term, > >unless female soldiers are introduced to it in basic training as part > >of a history lesson. > >-- > >Mike Wright > >http://www.CoastalFog.net
> That's a shame. The WACs were a great bunch of girls.
Ah. They've been replaced by a great bunch of women.
> As for Tommy Lee Jones, if he were a lieutenant in Vietnam, and > he acted the way he does in his movies, he would have been > fragged on his second night.
Movies and TV shows are seldom very well researched. In most cases the actors are at the mercy of the writers. The reason I enjoy TV shows like "Xena, Warrior Princess" is that they make no pretense at historical accuracy. What I cannot stand is a "realistic" show about the military in which career military personnel refer to magazines as "clips", small arms as "guns", and PWs as "PoWs"--and who say "Over and out" on the radio.
> My idea of a great commander: Dwight Eisenhower.
But dead guys are not eligible.
> Are there females in the SDF?
I believe that there are.
-- Mike Wright http://www.CoastalFog.net __________________________________________________ Seldom does any linguist ever agree with any other linguist about anything. -- Greg Lee
