- Permanence, perseverance and persistence in spite of all obstacles,
discouragements, and impossibilities: It is this, that in all things
distinguishes the strong soul from the weak.
> - Permanence, perseverance and persistence in spite of all obstacles,
> discouragements, and impossibilities: It is this, that in all things
> distinguishes the strong soul from the weak.
> Thomas Carlyle
Yes, Yamatodamashi is purported to represent a nonexistent and nonsensical sense
conjured up by the Japanese out of self-adulation of the herd, which sacrificed
milions and millions of Japanese soldiers and people for nothing but a straw god.
(2012/11/14 7:00), aesthete8 wrote:
> Is this more proof ?:
> - Permanence, perseverance and persistence in spite of all obstacles,
> discouragements, and impossibilities: It is this, that in all things
> distinguishes the strong soul from the weak.
> Thomas Carlyle
That't a rather difficult question.
Because the word "Yamato damashii" originally means only "Japanese spirit".
For the concept of the word is used sometimes different ways by the users of the word.
Moto'ori Norinaga(1730-1801) expressed "Yamato gokoro" as a cherry blossom in the morning sun.
> - Permanence, perseverance and persistence in spite of all obstacles,
> discouragements, and impossibilities: It is this, that in all things
> distinguishes the strong soul from the weak.
> Thomas Carlyle
Yamato-damashi and gumption definitely represent many of the same character traits, but they cannot possibly be equal. All you have to do is think about it. You still think they are the same? Think harder. Especially in terms of associated connotations, they are very, very different.
On Nov 16, 5:26 pm, "Tad Perry" <tadpe...@comcast.net> wrote:
> Yamato-damashi and gumption definitely represent many of the same character
> traits, but they cannot possibly be equal. All you have to do is think about
> it. You still think they are the same? Think harder. Especially in terms of
> associated connotations, they are very, very different.
There is a cleaning product in the UK called "gumption" (and one
called "vim"), and as a child I learnt these words as the names of the
products rather than for any particular meaning of the word. I think I
must have spent at least ten years thinking that gumption was nothing
more than a cleaning product.
> Yamato-damashi and gumption definitely represent many of the same > character
> traits, but they cannot possibly be equal. All you have to do is think > about
> it. You still think they are the same? Think harder. Especially in terms > of
> associated connotations, they are very, very different.
There is a cleaning product in the UK called "gumption" (and one
called "vim"), and as a child I learnt these words as the names of the
products rather than for any particular meaning of the word. I think I
must have spent at least ten years thinking that gumption was nothing
more than a cleaning product.
> Chance, I know you are a complete idiot, but even so, is it possible
> to upgrade your news software so that it quotes properly? Thanks
> muchly.
> What are you talking about? It's your news software to be upgraded,
> if you hadn't snipped the preceding quotes.
What he is talking about is that your replies to other people's posts do not make clear which text was added by you and which text was quoted. It makes your posts really hard to read.
>> Chance, I know you are a complete idiot, but even so, is it possible
>> to upgrade your news software so that it quotes properly? Thanks
>> muchly.
>> What are you talking about? It's your news software to be upgraded,
>> if you hadn't snipped the preceding quotes.
> What he is talking about is that your replies to other people's posts do > not make clear which text was added by you and which text was quoted. It > makes your posts really hard to read.
You are mistaking some others' posts for mine,
which are properly quoted with > marks,
which proves so in this post.
This is the first time I've ever got complaint in that regard.
>>> Chance, I know you are a complete idiot, but even so, is it possible
>>> to upgrade your news software so that it quotes properly? Thanks
>>> muchly.
>>> What are you talking about? It's your news software to be upgraded,
>>> if you hadn't snipped the preceding quotes.
>> What he is talking about is that your replies to other people's
>> posts do not make clear which text was added by you and which text
>> was quoted. It makes your posts really hard to read.
> You are mistaking some others' posts for mine,
> which are properly quoted with > marks,
> which proves so in this post.
> This is the first time I've ever got complaint in that regard.
It can happen when you use Windows Live Mail or Outlook Express to read newsgroups and the person you respond to uses some other means, like Google Groups, to make their posts. There is a free download called OEQuoteFix that you can install (I did) that will make Outlook (and Live Mail) quote correctly. Basically, it's Microsoft's fault.
>>> Chance, I know you are a complete idiot, but even so, is it possible
>>> to upgrade your news software so that it quotes properly? Thanks
>>> muchly.
>>> What are you talking about? It's your news software to be upgraded,
>>> if you hadn't snipped the preceding quotes.
>> What he is talking about is that your replies to other people's posts >> do not make clear which text was added by you and which text was >> quoted. It makes your posts really hard to read.
> You are mistaking some others' posts for mine,
> which are properly quoted with > marks,
> which proves so in this post.
The post that Ben complained about did not have the proper quoting.
> This is the first time I've ever got complaint in that regard.
Based on what Tad says in his reply to you it is possible that you were unaware of the issue. In any case, some of your posts (I can't say all because I don't know) come out on my end with no difference in the quote level between the text you are replying to and your own comments.
>>>> Chance, I know you are a complete idiot, but even so, is it possible
>>>> to upgrade your news software so that it quotes properly? Thanks
>>>> muchly.
>>>> What are you talking about? It's your news software to be upgraded,
>>>> if you hadn't snipped the preceding quotes.
>>> What he is talking about is that your replies to other people's posts do >>> not make clear which text was added by you and which text was quoted. It >>> makes your posts really hard to read.
>> You are mistaking some others' posts for mine,
>> which are properly quoted with > marks,
>> which proves so in this post.
> The post that Ben complained about did not have the proper quoting.
>> This is the first time I've ever got complaint in that regard.
> Based on what Tad says in his reply to you it is possible that you were > unaware of the issue. In any case, some of your posts (I can't say all > because I don't know) come out on my end with no difference in the quote > level between the text you are replying to and your own comments.
The annoying phenomenon of 'naked draft', as it were, began to draw
my attention recently and I blamed other side for the trouble
and was going to raise an issue with it. During more than a decade
I used Usenet, I didn't encounter this kind of trouble. Nor did I know
that I have caused the same kind of trouble to other side. First of all,
annoyed by the 'naked draft', I tried to replace my newsreader,
Outlook Express 6, with a new one, but the response was to the effect,
'The latest version has been already installed.' With it, I thought
that's that. The help came none too soon from TVP, who told me
about a gizmo, which I am going to install. By the way, how do you
guys keep being abreast with what is going on in the PC scenery.
On Mon, 19 Nov 2012 18:49:07 +0900, chance wrote:
> The annoying phenomenon of 'naked draft', as it were, began to draw my
> attention recently and I blamed other side for the trouble and was going
> to raise an issue with it.
It looks like the posts I was sending from Google Groups were also partly responsible. I usually read this newsgroup with Google Groups but then post via the Pan newsreader, but lately since GG have drastically reduced their spamming activity I started taking the lazy way of posting via GG.
> During more than a decade I used Usenet, I
> didn't encounter this kind of trouble. Nor did I know that I have caused
> the same kind of trouble to other side. First of all,
> annoyed by the 'naked draft', I tried to replace my newsreader,
> Outlook Express 6, with a new one, but the response was to the effect,
> 'The latest version has been already installed.'
Outlook Express is no longer updated by Microsoft. I used to use this too a long time ago (like 2001) and it was already no longer being updated back then.
> With it, I thought
> that's that. The help came none too soon from TVP, who told me about a
> gizmo, which I am going to install.
Today my Dell mouse's scroll wheel broke, so I wired up a horrible 100 yen shop USB connector and another mouse I got free last January, which had a faulty connection to a laptop, and now I am back in business. I don't understand the way that the Dell mouse's scroll wheel worked, after taking it to pieces I still could not see how it had been connected.
Ben Bullock wrote:
> On Mon, 19 Nov 2012 18:49:07 +0900, chance wrote:
>> The annoying phenomenon of 'naked draft', as it were, began to draw
>> my attention recently and I blamed other side for the trouble and
>> was going to raise an issue with it.
> It looks like the posts I was sending from Google Groups were also
> partly responsible. I usually read this newsgroup with Google Groups
> but then post via the Pan newsreader, but lately since GG have
> drastically reduced their spamming activity I started taking the lazy
> way of posting via GG.
>> During more than a decade I used Usenet, I
>> didn't encounter this kind of trouble. Nor did I know that I have
>> caused the same kind of trouble to other side. First of all,
>> annoyed by the 'naked draft', I tried to replace my newsreader,
>> Outlook Express 6, with a new one, but the response was to the
>> effect, 'The latest version has been already installed.'
> Outlook Express is no longer updated by Microsoft. I used to use this
> too a long time ago (like 2001) and it was already no longer being
> updated back then.
You were right when you said I was a complete idiot. I didn't know
about that, ie, OE was 'outmoded'. Hey, how do you get informed of what is going on in the PC world?
>> With it, I thought
>> that's that. The help came none too soon from TVP, who told me
>> about a gizmo, which I am going to install.
> Today my Dell mouse's scroll wheel broke, so I wired up a horrible 100
> yen shop USB connector and another mouse I got free last January,
> which had a faulty connection to a laptop, and now I am back in
> business. I don't understand the way that the Dell mouse's scroll
> wheel worked, after taking it to pieces I still could not see how it
> had been connected.
>>>>> Chance, I know you are a complete idiot, but even so, is it possible
>>>>> to upgrade your news software so that it quotes properly? Thanks
>>>>> muchly.
>>>>> What are you talking about? It's your news software to be upgraded,
>>>>> if you hadn't snipped the preceding quotes.
>>>> What he is talking about is that your replies to other people's posts >>>> do not make clear which text was added by you and which text was >>>> quoted. It makes your posts really hard to read.
>>> You are mistaking some others' posts for mine,
>>> which are properly quoted with > marks,
>>> which proves so in this post.
>> The post that Ben complained about did not have the proper quoting.
>>> This is the first time I've ever got complaint in that regard.
>> Based on what Tad says in his reply to you it is possible that you were >> unaware of the issue. In any case, some of your posts (I can't say all >> because I don't know) come out on my end with no difference in the >> quote level between the text you are replying to and your own comments.
> The annoying phenomenon of 'naked draft', as it were, began to draw
> my attention recently and I blamed other side for the trouble
> and was going to raise an issue with it. During more than a decade
> I used Usenet, I didn't encounter this kind of trouble. Nor did I know
> that I have caused the same kind of trouble to other side. First of all,
> annoyed by the 'naked draft', I tried to replace my newsreader,
> Outlook Express 6, with a new one, but the response was to the effect,
> 'The latest version has been already installed.' With it, I thought
> that's that. The help came none too soon from TVP, who told me
> about a gizmo, which I am going to install. By the way, how do you
> guys keep being abreast with what is going on in the PC scenery.
I hope Tad's suggestion works for you. As for keeping up with the PC scenery, I now only do that from afar because I switched to Mac about two years ago and I don't see myself going back (especially now that Windows 8 has arrived).
But back in my PC days I used Thunderbird, which I found prerry good for both email and Usenet. You might want to give it a try.
chance wrote:
> Ben Bullock wrote:
>> On Mon, 19 Nov 2012 18:49:07 +0900, chance wrote:
>>> The annoying phenomenon of 'naked draft', as it were, began to draw
>>> my attention recently and I blamed other side for the trouble and
>>> was going to raise an issue with it.
>> It looks like the posts I was sending from Google Groups were also
>> partly responsible. I usually read this newsgroup with Google Groups
>> but then post via the Pan newsreader, but lately since GG have
>> drastically reduced their spamming activity I started taking the lazy
>> way of posting via GG.
>>> During more than a decade I used Usenet, I
>>> didn't encounter this kind of trouble. Nor did I know that I have
>>> caused the same kind of trouble to other side. First of all,
>>> annoyed by the 'naked draft', I tried to replace my newsreader,
>>> Outlook Express 6, with a new one, but the response was to the
>>> effect, 'The latest version has been already installed.'
>> Outlook Express is no longer updated by Microsoft. I used to use this
>> too a long time ago (like 2001) and it was already no longer being
>> updated back then.
> You were right when you said I was a complete idiot. I didn't know
> about that, ie, OE was 'outmoded'. Hey, how do you get informed
> of what is going on in the PC world?
>>> With it, I thought
>>> that's that. The help came none too soon from TVP, who told me
>>> about a gizmo, which I am going to install.
>> Today my Dell mouse's scroll wheel broke, so I wired up a horrible
>> 100 yen shop USB connector and another mouse I got free last January,
>> which had a faulty connection to a laptop, and now I am back in
>> business. I don't understand the way that the Dell mouse's scroll
>> wheel worked, after taking it to pieces I still could not see how it
>> had been connected.
> Thanks
> CK
Well, Chance, the truth is that I don't know. We just all have to work together and share our knowledge and get used to searching for answers through search engines like Google.
Back in the 1990's, I knew all about computers and networks and how to build them, repair them, and program them. But you have to become a dedicated student, constantly learning a deluge of new information just to keep current. At some point, I lost the will to put that much constant energy into reading some big, thick book, only to have the technology become obsolete within a few years and need to read a new big thick, book.
In this case, I just happened to know that there was an incompatibility problem between people that post to Usenet from Google Groups and people who reply to those posts via Outlook Express (which got renamed as Live Mail and became part of the Windows operating system). It was dumb luck that I happened to know what the problem was.
The way I found out about it was this: I knew that I had to manually add quotes to posts from people via Google Groups. At first, I thought it was Google's fault. Then I learned that Microsoft could have handled things on their side better. I also had heard there was a solution. This was enough to go on to track down the install via Google and try it myself. It works great.
I guess the best answer to your question is: Learn to ask questions and formulate good searches and you can find anything.
Tad Perry wrote:
> chance wrote:
>> Ben Bullock wrote:
>>> On Mon, 19 Nov 2012 18:49:07 +0900, chance wrote:
>>>> The annoying phenomenon of 'naked draft', as it were, began to draw
>>>> my attention recently and I blamed other side for the trouble and
>>>> was going to raise an issue with it.
>>> It looks like the posts I was sending from Google Groups were also
>>> partly responsible. I usually read this newsgroup with Google Groups
>>> but then post via the Pan newsreader, but lately since GG have
>>> drastically reduced their spamming activity I started taking the
>>> lazy way of posting via GG.
>>>> During more than a decade I used Usenet, I
>>>> didn't encounter this kind of trouble. Nor did I know that I have
>>>> caused the same kind of trouble to other side. First of all,
>>>> annoyed by the 'naked draft', I tried to replace my newsreader,
>>>> Outlook Express 6, with a new one, but the response was to the
>>>> effect, 'The latest version has been already installed.'
>>> Outlook Express is no longer updated by Microsoft. I used to use
>>> this too a long time ago (like 2001) and it was already no longer
>>> being updated back then.
>> You were right when you said I was a complete idiot. I didn't know
>> about that, ie, OE was 'outmoded'. Hey, how do you get informed
>> of what is going on in the PC world?
>>>> With it, I thought
>>>> that's that. The help came none too soon from TVP, who told me
>>>> about a gizmo, which I am going to install.
>>> Today my Dell mouse's scroll wheel broke, so I wired up a horrible
>>> 100 yen shop USB connector and another mouse I got free last
>>> January, which had a faulty connection to a laptop, and now I am
>>> back in business. I don't understand the way that the Dell mouse's
>>> scroll wheel worked, after taking it to pieces I still could not
>>> see how it had been connected.
>> Thanks
>> CK
> Well, Chance, the truth is that I don't know. We just all have to work
> together and share our knowledge and get used to searching for answers
> through search engines like Google.
> Back in the 1990's, I knew all about computers and networks and how
> to build them, repair them, and program them. But you have to become
> a dedicated student, constantly learning a deluge of new information
> just to keep current. At some point, I lost the will to put that much
> constant energy into reading some big, thick book, only to have the
> technology become obsolete within a few years and need to read a new
> big thick, book.
> In this case, I just happened to know that there was an
> incompatibility problem between people that post to Usenet from
> Google Groups and people who reply to those posts via Outlook Express
> (which got renamed as Live Mail and became part of the Windows
> operating system). It was dumb luck that I happened to know what the
> problem was.
> The way I found out about it was this: I knew that I had to manually
> add quotes to posts from people via Google Groups. At first, I
> thought it was Google's fault. Then I learned that Microsoft could
> have handled things on their side better. I also had heard there was
> a solution. This was enough to go on to track down the install via
> Google and try it myself. It works great.
> I guess the best answer to your question is: Learn to ask questions
> and formulate good searches and you can find anything.
>>>>>> Chance, I know you are a complete idiot, but even so, is it
>>>>>> possible to upgrade your news software so that it quotes
>>>>>> properly? Thanks muchly.
>>>>>> What are you talking about? It's your news software to be
>>>>>> upgraded, if you hadn't snipped the preceding quotes.
>>>>> What he is talking about is that your replies to other people's
>>>>> posts do not make clear which text was added by you and which
>>>>> text was quoted. It makes your posts really hard to read.
>>>> You are mistaking some others' posts for mine,
>>>> which are properly quoted with > marks,
>>>> which proves so in this post.
>>> The post that Ben complained about did not have the proper quoting.
>>>> This is the first time I've ever got complaint in that regard.
>>> Based on what Tad says in his reply to you it is possible that you
>>> were unaware of the issue. In any case, some of your posts (I can't
>>> say all because I don't know) come out on my end with no difference
>>> in the quote level between the text you are replying to and your
>>> own comments.
>> The annoying phenomenon of 'naked draft', as it were, began to draw
>> my attention recently and I blamed other side for the trouble
>> and was going to raise an issue with it. During more than a decade
>> I used Usenet, I didn't encounter this kind of trouble. Nor did I
>> know that I have caused the same kind of trouble to other side.
>> First of all, annoyed by the 'naked draft', I tried to replace my
>> newsreader, Outlook Express 6, with a new one, but the response was to >> the
>> effect, 'The latest version has been already installed.' With it, I
>> thought that's that. The help came none too soon from TVP, who told
>> me about a gizmo, which I am going to install. By the way, how do you
>> guys keep being abreast with what is going on in the PC scenery.
> I hope Tad's suggestion works for you. As for keeping up with the PC
> scenery, I now only do that from afar because I switched to Mac about
> two years ago and I don't see myself going back (especially now that
> Windows 8 has arrived).
> But back in my PC days I used Thunderbird, which I found prerry good
> for both email and Usenet. You might want to give it a try.
