Re: Some actual science; not denier "science".Ho! ho! ho!

[Leonard]

On 4/23/12 10:50 AM, in article 84738cac-a01d-4b13...@r13g2000vbg.googlegroups.com, "Dawlish" <pjg...@hotmail.com> wrote:

ENSO Update from NOAA. The warming of the equatorial Pacific is
gathering pace and has accelerated over the last few weeks. The mean
of the dynamical models is now pointing towards El Nino conditions by
the end of the Boreal summer - the statistical model mean shows ENSO
neutral conditions through to the end of the year.

Actual temperatures (slide 16) would tend to support the statistical
model predictions, but, as always, ENSO is terriby difficult to
predict. At no time over the past 6 months has the model mean been
predicting El Nino conditions so soon after the last, 2-year, series
of La Nina and La Nina conditions.

http://www.cpc.ncep.noaa.gov/products/analysis_monitoring/lanina/enso_evolution-status-fcsts-web.pdf

See what the Aussie BOM's analysis of the current situation is on
Wednesday.

That information and commentary would be of interest to people
interested in science and, of course, not to climate deniers.

            ø Trenberth at NOAA does not permit
               anything that refutes global warming
               to leave his labs.

[Transition Zone]

On Apr 25, 9:14 pm, Leonard <leonard7...@primus.ca> wrote:
>
>             ø Trenberth at NOAA does not permit
>                anything that refutes global warming
>                to leave his labs.

What do you know about anyone's labs??

[Bill Snyder]

Lots, actually. He spent most of his life in one. Took him a
long time to escape from Dr. Frankenstein.

--
Bill Snyder [This space unintentionally left blank]

[AGWFacts]

On Sun, 29 Apr 2012 12:21:47 -0700 (PDT), Transition Zone
<mog...@hotmail.com> wrote:

> On Apr 25, 9:14 pm, Leonard <leonard7...@primus.ca> wrote:

> > Trenberth at NOAA does not permit anything that refutes global warming
> > to leave his labs.

How the bloody hell can there be evidence refuting observed
reality?

> What do you know about anyone's labs??

Jack shit.


--
Denialism: "The employment of rhetorical arguments to give the appearance
of legitimate debate where there is none."

[oriel36]

On Apr 30, 4:43 pm, AGWFacts <AGWFa...@1800reality.com> wrote:
> On Sun, 29 Apr 2012 12:21:47 -0700 (PDT), Transition Zone
>

> <mogu...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > On Apr 25, 9:14 pm, Leonard <leonard7...@primus.ca> wrote:
> > > Trenberth at NOAA does not permit anything that refutes global warming
> > > to leave his labs.
>
> How the bloody hell can there be evidence refuting observed
> reality?
>
> > What do you know about anyone's labs??
>
> Jack shit.
>
> --
> Denialism: "The employment of rhetorical arguments to give the appearance
> of legitimate debate where there is none."

Is there not a single intelligent person who realizes that when it was
called 'global warming' it was just a nuisance social/political thing
where everyone fed off it for taxes,the sky blue ideology of global
federation politics or busybody schoolboys looking for a lifestyle but
when it morphed into climate change it became intellectual suicide.

You cannot squeeze climate change into global warming without wrecking
every terrestrial science that depends on climate change as a
given,everything from human historical evolution to biological and
geological evolution is dependent on that temperature see-saw,some
minor fluctuations and some major ones.

[Sam Wormley]

On 4/30/12 11:23 AM, oriel36 wrote:

>
> Is there not a single intelligent person who realizes that when it was
> called 'global warming' it was just a nuisance social/political thing
> where everyone fed off it for taxes,the sky blue ideology of global
> federation politics or busybody schoolboys looking for a lifestyle but
> when it morphed into climate change it became intellectual suicide.
>
> You cannot squeeze climate change into global warming without wrecking
> every terrestrial science that depends on climate change as a
> given,everything from human historical evolution to biological and
> geological evolution is dependent on that temperature see-saw,some
> minor fluctuations and some major ones.
>

Humans may become extinct due to this climate change, Gerald. Then
your rantings about your perceived "errors" in astronomy become
meaningless.

> The Last Great Global Warming
> http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=the-last-great-global-warming
>
> Rob Dunbar: The threat of ocean acidification
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=evfgbVjb688
>
> Ocean acidification on track to be among the worst of the last 300 million years
> http://arstechnica.com/science/news/2012/03/ocean-acidification-could-become-worst-in-at-least-300-million-years.ars

[oriel36]

On Apr 30, 6:09 pm, Sam Wormley <sworml...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 4/30/12 11:23 AM, oriel36 wrote:
>
>
>
> > Is there not a single intelligent person who realizes that when it was
> > called 'global warming' it was just a nuisance social/political thing
> > where everyone fed off it for taxes,the sky blue ideology of global
> > federation politics or busybody schoolboys looking for a lifestyle but
> > when it morphed into climate change it became intellectual suicide.
>
> > You cannot squeeze climate change into global warming without wrecking
> > every terrestrial science that depends on climate change as a
> > given,everything from human historical evolution to biological and
> > geological evolution is dependent on that temperature see-saw,some
> > minor fluctuations and some major ones.
>
>    Humans may become extinct due to this climate change, Gerald. Then
>    your rantings about your perceived "errors" in astronomy become
>    meaningless.
>

Trying to squeeze climate change into a global warming agenda is
nothing short of criminal ,it is not a poor decision,it is not a
political maneuver to account for why global warming didn't happen in
accordance with modeling,it is a criminal offence and nothing short of
intellectual suicide.

A number of years on from Climategate and they should be talking about
arrests because to knowingly extort money under false pretenses and
using terrestrial sciences to do it is a crime and until they start
arresting people who commit blatant fraud by trying to turn a science
issue into a social/political one,only then will these people come to
their senses.

Again- You cannot squeeze climate change into global warming as the
planet warms and cools in context of climate change and has always
done so.The is nothing personal Wormley but what you are promoting is
criminal,nothing more or less.

[bjacoby]

On 4/30/2012 1:09 PM, Sam Wormley wrote:

>> Rob Dunbar: The threat of ocean acidification
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=evfgbVjb688
>>
>> Ocean acidification on track to be among the worst of the last 300
>> million years
>> http://arstechnica.com/science/news/2012/03/ocean-acidification-could-become-worst-in-at-least-300-million-years.ars

Gosh Sam, I thought that ocean acidification required global warming to
actually WARM the oceans?

Here is some actual science that my educate you:

http://bobtisdale.wordpress.com/2012/04/29/what-do-observed-sea-surface-temperature-anomalies-and-climate-models-have-in-common-over-the-past-17-years/

Note the difference between REAL scientific measurements and fraudulent
IPCC political advertisements.

[Falcon]

bjacoby wrote...

Not only is it warming, it's getting warmer faster than ever - apparently. Look
here, according to the loony left (Dawlish, Gordo, E-Cat, AGWFacts etc.) and
the environmental junkies, Bob is a lying denier and it doesn't matter where he
got his data. I've never quite worked that one out myself, since calling him
liar is tantamount to accusing the NOAA of falsifying their own data, but there
you go. White is black and black is white in their world.

--
Falcon:
fide, sed cui vide. (L)

[Dawlish]

On May 2, 12:41 pm, Falcon <fal...@invalid.net> wrote:
> bjacoby wrote...
>
> > On 4/30/2012 1:09 PM, Sam Wormley wrote:
>
> > >> Rob Dunbar: The threat of ocean acidification
> > >>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=evfgbVjb688
>
> > >> Ocean acidification on track to be among the worst of the last 300 million
> > >> years

> > >>http://arstechnica.com/science/news/2012/03/ocean-acidification-could...

> > >> ome-worst-in-at-least-300-million-years.ars
>
> > Gosh Sam, I thought that ocean acidification required global warming to
> > actually WARM the oceans?
>
> > Here is some actual science that my educate you:
>

> >http://bobtisdale.wordpress.com/2012/04/29/what-do-observed-sea-surfa...

> > rature-anomalies-and-climate-models-have-in-common-over-the-past-17-years/
>
> > Note the difference between REAL scientific measurements and fraudulent IPCC
> > political advertisements.
>
> Not only is it warming, it's getting warmer faster than ever - apparently. Look
> here, according to the loony left (Dawlish, Gordo, E-Cat, AGWFacts etc.) and
> the environmental junkies, Bob is a lying denier and it doesn't matter where he
> got his data. I've never quite worked that one out myself, since calling him
> liar is tantamount to accusing the NOAA of falsifying their own data, but there
> you go. White is black and black is white in their world.
>
> --
> Falcon:
> fide, sed cui vide. (L)

Do you honestly think anyone is thinking about what you are writing,
spinner? They know all you do is spin, avoid answering questions and
throw your toys and any shred of reputation out of the pram, with
revealing your deep-seated homophobia when you can't cope.

Ouch.

[Bill Snyder]

On Wed, 02 May 2012 07:28:54 -0400, bjacoby <bja...@iwaynet.net>
wrote:

>On 4/30/2012 1:09 PM, Sam Wormley wrote:
>
>>> Rob Dunbar: The threat of ocean acidification
>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=evfgbVjb688
>>>
>>> Ocean acidification on track to be among the worst of the last 300
>>> million years
>>> http://arstechnica.com/science/news/2012/03/ocean-acidification-could-become-worst-in-at-least-300-million-years.ars
>
>
>Gosh Sam, I thought

Self-evidently untrue.

[Falcon]

Dawlish wrote...

>
> On May 2, 12:41 pm, Falcon <fal...@invalid.net> wrote:
> > bjacoby wrote...
> >
> > > On 4/30/2012 1:09 PM, Sam Wormley wrote:
> >
> > > >> Rob Dunbar: The threat of ocean acidification
> > > >>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=evfgbVjb688
> >
> > > >> Ocean acidification on track to be among the worst of the last 300 million
> > > >> years
> > > >>http://arstechnica.com/science/news/2012/03/ocean-acidification-could...
> > > >> ome-worst-in-at-least-300-million-years.ars
> >
> > > Gosh Sam, I thought that ocean acidification required global warming to
> > > actually WARM the oceans?
> >
> > > Here is some actual science that my educate you:
> >
> > >http://bobtisdale.wordpress.com/2012/04/29/what-do-observed-sea-surfa...
> > > rature-anomalies-and-climate-models-have-in-common-over-the-past-17-years/
> >
> > > Note the difference between REAL scientific measurements and fraudulent IPCC
> > > political advertisements.
> >
> > Not only is it warming, it's getting warmer faster than ever - apparently. Look
> > here, according to the loony left (Dawlish, Gordo, E-Cat, AGWFacts etc.) and
> > the environmental junkies, Bob is a lying denier and it doesn't matter where he
> > got his data. I've never quite worked that one out myself, since calling him
> > liar is tantamount to accusing the NOAA of falsifying their own data, but there
> > you go. White is black and black is white in their world.
>

> Do you honestly think anyone is thinking about what you are writing,
> spinner?

Yes, well you always are apparently.

[Dawlish]

I think people are thinking about your avoidance, homophobia, trolling
and spinning - not that what you might write about global warming has
any relevance. Don't you?

[Falcon]

> I think people are thinking about your avoidance, homophobia, trolling
> and spinning - not that what you might write about global warming has
> any relevance. Don't you?

Look, not to put to fine a point on it, this is beginning to sound like
blackmail. I don't care how much dirt you try and spread around about me, it's
dinner or nothing.

[Dawlish]

After what spinner has written today, in his twisted, homophobic,
denialist little mind, it's him who feels that he's been somehow
"blackmailed" and that "dirt" is being spread about him.

Deniers actually feel they can say whatever they wish with no
comeback.

You know what they say about what you should do when the hole you are
in is deeper than you want it to be spinner..................

[Falcon]

> After what spinner has written today, in his twisted, homophobic,
> denialist little mind, it's him who feels that he's been somehow
> "blackmailed" and that "dirt" is being spread about him.
>
> Deniers actually feel they can say whatever they wish with no
> comeback.
>
> You know what they say about what you should do when the hole you are
> in is deeper than you want it to be spinner..................

See what happens when you treat your girls like dirt honey? It's definitely
legs crossed time for you sweety. Dinner or nothing.

[Dawlish]

Still the spade goes. You are a fool, as well as a stupid denier.