Re: Why "Green" Energy Can't Exist Without Fossil Fuels

[MANFRED the heat seeking OBOE]

"Greencon"
> Why "Green" Energy Can't Exist Without Fossil Fuels
> 29 Jany 2011
>
>
> To listen to President Obama, you would think that clean energy is our
> next salvation.



And JUST WHY wouldn't we believe HIM?


http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2012/04/01/energy_obamas_favorit
e_topic_of_deception_113692.html
Energy: Obama's Favorite Topic of Deception
...
No president ever before has lied as frequently, as flagrently,
as foolishly as Barack Obama.
...



   If a President of the United States
   ever lied to the American people he should resign.
       -- William J. Clinton, 1974



        "We'll always be a AAA nation".
                        BARACK OBAMA'11




LIBs. What PRICE their Vision?
---
OBAMA2012. COWARD.
DOING THE SAME THING EXPECTING A DIFFERENT RESULT.
BECAUSE GOOD MEN DOING ABSOLUTELY NOTHING BECAME HIS ACCOMPLICE.


Supporting him "constitutes material cooperation with intrinsic evil."
Rev. Jay Scott Newman'08



Because the Truely EVIL were abetted by the Venal and the WEAK.
http://www.strangepolitics.com/images/content/160688.jpg
What do you mean WE Paleface?




He can CHANGE his mind,
can YOU CHANGE your Vote? THINK DIFFERENT.



"I hope Obama gets scary in the next four years,
’cuz he ain’t gotta worry about getting re-elected."
-- Samuel L Jackson'12

[T. Keating]

On Mon, 28 May 2012 16:59:51 +1000, "Greencon" <Greencon@Greencon>
wrote:

Snippy some of bonzo's cross posting..

>Why "Green" Energy Can't Exist Without Fossil Fuels
>29 Jany 2011
>
>
>To listen to President Obama, you would think that clean energy is our next

>salvation. But clean energy can't exist on its own.
>
>Clean energy options should more properly be called "fossil fuel extenders".
>
>They only work within a system that has fossil fuels.
>
>We can't make solar PV panels or wind turbines without fossil fuels, and we
>can't move them to their new sites and install them without fossil fuels.

Claim un-supported by physics..
(we can make liquid/gas based fuels from bio matter if needed.)

>Many solar panels are made in China, and wind turbines often include
>overseas components (or are made overseas).

So.. Parts can be made domestically if needed..

>If grid tied solar PV is
>installed without back-up batteries, it won't work when the grid isn't
>working.

Guess what???, Oil Refineries don't function without grid power,
Nuclear power plants also need the grid online, same goes for whole
lot of fossil fuel infrastructure. (pipelines, pumps, etc).

>Even corn ethanol is a fossil fuel extender. Corn is planted, harvested and
>transported using vehicles that use oil, and of course the finished product
>is mixed with petroleum products.

The object of current ethanol production, is to build up a market for
future cellulosic based ethanol production.,,Leaving the food content
intact, but even in today's market the byproduct is not wasted,
distillers grain is used as livestock feed.

>Fertilizer and pesticides and herbicides
>also use petrochemicals, and ethanol plants are usually powered with natural
>gas or coal.

Those inputs can be made from other source stocks.


>
>Wind turbines are only about 2% of US electrical production,

Now 3% . second place behind Hydro..

>and solar PV is
>well under 1%. Why aren't school children and adults told about where our
>electricity comes from? The biggest source is coal, followed by natural gas.
>Nuclear is a very close third after natural gas.


US Coal percentage is dropping rapidly. (now 33%)
NG is wayyy up..
Nuclear is down.. to 19%.. very soon 18%..
Renewables are up to 13%



Snip the rest of crazy aussie's rant about US energy supplies..

Why the FUCK this nut case living in the land down under, continues to
rant about the US's steady progress towards kicking it's Fossil fuel
addiction is beyond rationality..