Don’t ask, don’t tell about our Selene/moon / by Brad Guth
BradGuth
seems the JAXA/Selene (KAGUYA) mission is already there (as having
been doing a damn fine job of orbiting and detail mapping of our
Selene/moon) and rather busy at doing its usual cover thy NASA/Apollo
butt as is. What more proof-positive evidence of their ongoing ruse/
sting of the mutually perpetrated cold-war century would you like, or
need?
Christ almighty on a stick, if those PhotoShop revised images from
JAXA doesn’t ring so much as one of your dumbfounded bells, then
perhaps nothing could. Perhaps the best question of the day is; Which
one of us had the deepest lobotomy?
I shall attempt to revise and repost the following context of my
manifesto/rant for your lobotomized amusement.
For the likes of our resident MI5/CIA spook/mole William Mook (aka
self proclaimed wizard of Oz), I’d like to further share my worthy
opinion that our Selene/moon is actually a pretty darn good NEA to
start off with, thereby no need of our investing in such extreme R&D
of going after anything else, or otherwise having to wait around until
something of an interesting asteroid comes our way. Too bad all of
our mission critical Apollo R&D and much of their original mission
science has gone missing in action (somewhat like all of those Muslim
WMD that clearly never existed in the first place), and worse yet of
those extremely smart Zionist/Nazi wizards of our NASA predecessors
are either too old and cranky or near death to even think about
getting us safely walking on our Selene/moon.
~ Brad Guth Brad_Guth Brad.Guth BradGuth BG
BradGuth
Since key words and/or key phrases are now getting my research
moderated, I'll have to make some careful editing modifications
that'll manage to get my message across without pissing off those in
charge of our public Usenet/newsgroups.
Apparently I can post any amount of nasty porn and smut context, but I
can't mention a public funded agency that's directly responsible for
what the public is being informed as supposedly the one and only
truth. I think even Hitler had that going for himself, and obviously
our current administration isn't all that far behind.
~ BG
Quadibloc
> What more proof-positive evidence of their ongoing ruse/
> sting of the mutually perpetrated cold-war century would you like, or
> need?
If the results of a Japanese space probe are consistent with those of
the Apollo manned moon landings, the simplest explanation is that both
really happened, and are accurately reporting their findings. I'm not
sure exactly what evidence of an alternative theory was offered by
your post.
John Savard
sir.jean-p...@neuf.fr
What do you mean Brad ? The Apollo landings were fake ?
BradGuth
You tell me otherwise, with objective proof that our right stuff of
NASA/Apollo did what they claimed. Thus far I can't find their
objective proof, and it seems my way of researching into this has
gotten some of my context moderated by those in charge of enforcing
the mainstream status quo, of our having to accept their subjective
interpretation of their own evidence as the one and only last word of
the supposed truth(s).
More than a few items simply do not add up to the NASA/Apollo story
we've been told.
~ BG
BradGuth
If you refuse to accept the truth(s) of what the JAXA/Selene mission
has been plain as day hiding from us, then there's no further point in
trying to otherwise inform those of your kind that obviously can't
accept the truth.
The JAXA Selene probe of those supposedly new and greatly improved
images has clearly been restricted and otherwise doctored, meaning
PhotoShopped to death in order to seem as though similar to the NASA/
Apollo archive of images, and I have the objective proof that any 5th
grader can see for themselves.
There is no further contest here, none whatsoever, none at all.
~ BG
BradGuth
I believe that our Selene/moon is actually a fairly nifty captured
asteroid or planetoid (originally icy to the tune of perhaps 4000 km
in diameter) that’s chuck full of raw elements, plus having loads of
nifty cosmic surface deposits including those as likely solar modified
into containing He3. A Selene/moon L1 platform of mostly robotic
science instruments and eventually incorporating a tether attached to
the physically dark and crystal dry and dusty lunar surface would have
gone a long ways, initially costing us not 10% of one Apollo mission,
as well as easier to have accomplished and having sustained.
On behalf of the killer bee like swarm tactics of our now
unmentionable agencies and their brown-nosed minion clowns that want
the rest of us tax paying village idiots to believe that our Selene/
moon terrain is not only relatively passive but exactly like a certain
xenon arc lamp spectrum illuminated guano island. Here’s another
slightly polished version of what I’d posted a few times before.
These silly folks of MI5/CIA plus those of our now unmentionable
public agencies and whatever smart 5th graders, by rights they should
realize that our physically dark as coal moon that actually reflects
upon Earth at roughly a mere 7% worth of the solar visual spectrum,
does in fact offer a fairly complex mineralogy of surface hues or
colors, don’t you agree?
~ BG
BradGuth
Our Selene/moon is actually upon average darker than terrestrial coal,
but it’s not without its fair share of color/hue saturation. It takes
at least 3 or perhaps better to use 4 color spectrum (narrow bandpass)
filtered frames combined or stacked as into one image in order to
fully appreciate what minerals or raw elements the physically dark
surface our Selene/moon has to offer.
Here’s one perfectly nifty eye-candy example with having its contrast
and color/hue saturation cranked way up, but otherwise it’s not having
been artificially colored.
http://www.coronaborealis.org/images/full_moon_color.png
A somewhat less contrast and hue saturated example via government
archives:
http://apod.nasa.gov/apod/ap060216.html
http://apod.nasa.gov/apod/image/0602/Mooncolor060110schedler_35.jpg
And it seems there are may other perfectly honest amateur/private
obtained examples that can be peer replicated as often as you like, of
images that do a damn fine job of depicting our mineral color/hue rich
and otherwise physically dark as coal Selene/moon, though usually not
nearly as having been so contrast and hue saturation pushed. Of
course these terrestrial obtained images are not having nearly as good
of unobstructed and crystal clear look-see as for the HDTV images from
the JAXA/Selene mission, or from any number of equally or better
quality color imaging technology satellites, and otherwise of all
those previous Kodak color slide film methods with their ultimate best
of optics that our NASA/Apollo team has always had at their disposal,
should not have been so easily deprived of such a naturally rich color/
hue environment of surface minerals.
Even Hubble (though somewhat poorly suited) could have been giving us
those accurate color/hue saturation images of our Selene/moon
mineralogy from nearly day-one, although of older and certainly via
newer satellite instruments would also include the UV and IR albedo
worth of hues that are clearly outside of the human visual spectrum,
and thus having to be artificially colorized on behalf of our UV/IR
visual impaired interpretation. Even team KECK should have nailed
this color/hue saturation of our physically dark as coal Selene/moon
as of 15 years ago, and more recently with their f40 secondary mirror
with its impressive focal length of 395 meters (apparently they
couldn’t be the least bit bothered, though mostly because they’ve been
specifically informed not to bother).
Color/hue saturation is essentially the human visual deductive
observationology science form of mass spectrometry, of basically
indicating by way of the color/hue as to what those secondary/recoil
photons given off by our Selene/moon has to say about the sorts of raw
surface deposits and local minerals, even though most everything has
been extremely dusty and nearly sooty lampblack coated to the point of
looking as though on average being as dark as or darker than
terrestrial coal, as such does not make those natural mineral color/
hue factors invisible. In fact, with a polarized optical element of
recording such a physically dark surface should only have enhanced
those mineral color/hue saturations (somewhat like fluorescent [UV
reactive] paint on black velvet).
Oddly those JAXA/KAGUYA Selene images are being continually PhotoShop
processed in order to remove all signs of the natural mineral color/
hue saturation of our physically dark as coal moon, and especially of
their having been eliminating the secondary bluish black-light affect
from all of that intense solar UV. Them Japs as NASA puppets and
brown-nosed minions must think we’re all really dumbfounded village
idiots, snookered past the point of no return.
The closer you can get that camera to those raw surface minerals, the
more distinctive the contrast and color/hue saturations should have
become, such as what a given Apollo EVA by rights should have
experienced, especially with their polarized optical element on those
otherwise full visual bandpass lens outfitted cameras loaded with all
of that rad-hard and broad thermal tolerant Kodak film. Of course
Messenger's cameras and mirror optics are far superior in their color/
hue spectrum bandwidth and dynamic range to boot, and yet the planet
Mercury keeps looking as though unusually moon like grayish pastel,
and rather oddly our Selene/moon becomes invisible while right next to
Earth as imaged within the same FOV via Messenger. What the hell
gives?
BradGuth
it seems the JAXA/Selene (KAGUYA) mission is already there (as having
been doing a damn fine job of orbiting and detail mapping of our
Selene/moon) and rather busy at doing its usual cover thy NASA/Apollo
ruse/sting of the mutually perpetrated cold-war century would you
like, or need?
Christ almighty on a stick, if those clearly PhotoShop revised images
from JAXA doesn’t ring so much as one of your dumbfounded bells, then
perhaps nothing could. Perhaps the best question of the day is; Which
one of us had the deepest lobotomy?
I shall further attempt to revise and repost the following context of
my manifesto/rant for your lobotomized amusement.
For the likes of our resident MI5/CIA spook/mole William Mook (aka
self proclaimed wizard of Oz), I’d like to further share my worthy
opinion that our Selene/moon is actually a pretty darn good NEA to
start off with, thereby no need of our investing in such extreme R&D
of going after anything else, or otherwise having to wait around until
something of an interesting asteroid comes our way. Too bad all of
our mission critical Apollo R&D and much of their original mission
science has gone missing in action (somewhat like all of those Muslim
WMD that clearly never existed in the first place), and worse yet of
those extremely smart Zionist/Nazi wizards of our NASA predecessors
are either too old and cranky or near death to even think about
getting us safely walking on our Selene/moon.
I believe that our Selene/moon is actually a fairly nifty captured
asteroid or planetoid (originally icy to the tune of perhaps 4000 km
in diameter) that’s chuck full of raw elements, plus having loads of
nifty cosmic surface deposits including those as likely stellar
modified into containing He3. A Selene/moon L1 platform of mostly
robotic science instruments and eventually incorporating a tether
attached to the physically dark, crystal dry and dusty lunar surface
would have gone a long ways, initially costing us not 10% of one
Apollo mission, as well as easier to have accomplished and having
sustained.
On behalf of the killer bee like swarm tactics of our now
unmentionable public agencies and their brown-nosed minion clowns that
want the rest of us tax paying village idiots to believe that our
Selene/moon terrain is not only relatively passive but exactly like a
certain xenon arc lamp spectrum illuminated guano island. Here’s
another slightly polished version of what I’d posted a few times
before.
These silly folks of MI5/CIA plus those of our now unmentionable
public agencies and whatever smart 5th graders, by rights they should
realize that our physically dark as coal moon that actually reflects
upon Earth at roughly a mere 7% worth of the solar visual spectrum,
whereas it does in fact offer a fairly complex mineralogy of surface
hues or colors, don’t you agree?
Our Selene/moon is actually upon average darker than terrestrial coal,
but it’s not without its fair share of color/hue saturation. It takes
at least 3 or perhaps better to use 4 color spectrum (narrow bandpass)
filtered frames, later combined or stacked as into one image in order
more distinctive the dynamic contrast and color/hue saturations should
have become, such as what a given Apollo EVA by rights should have
experienced, especially with their polarized optical element on those
otherwise full visual bandpass lens outfitted cameras loaded with all
of that rad-hard and broad thermal tolerant Kodak film. Of course
Messenger's cameras and mirror optics are far superior in their color/
hue spectrum bandwidth and dynamic range to boot, and yet the planet
Mercury keeps looking as though unusually moon like grayish pastel,
and rather oddly our Selene/moon becomes invisible while right next to
Earth as imaged within the same FOV via Messenger. What the hell
gives?
~ Brad Guth Brad_Guth Brad.Guth BradGuth BG
Joseph Nebus
>What do you mean Brad ? The Apollo landings were fake ?
If you think that's something you clearly haven't heard about
his Venus and Mars discoveries.
You'll be hearing about them until such time as you place him
into your killfile.
--
Joseph Nebus
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Hagar
"BradGuth" <brad...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:e0287def-3911-4f70...@s1g2000prg.googlegroups.com...
On Oct 12, 6:00 pm, BradGuth <bradg...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I’d posted a few times before.
< snip GuthBall drivel >
> These silly folks of MI5/CIA plus those of our now unmentionable
> public agencies and whatever smart 5th graders, by rights they should
> realize that our physically dark as coal moon that actually reflects
> upon Earth at roughly a mere 7% worth of the solar visual spectrum,
> does in fact offer a fairly complex mineralogy of surface hues or
> colors, don’t you agree?
The Albedo of the Moon is 0.12, you loon.
Continue your idiotic rant.
BradGuth
> "BradGuth" <bradg...@gmail.com> wrote in message
0.12 is pretty darn close to terrestrial coal of 0.1. However,
subtracting the UV and IR spectrum is what gets that visual full moon
albedo down to .07 (7%) upon average. Imagine that, it's actually
darker than terrestrial coal...
~ BG
BradGuth
I shall eventually get myself around to editing my old websites, and
perhaps even lecture to those few that are not yet assimilated into
the mainstream Borg collective. In the mean time, it’s back to our
Selene/moon that’s shrouded in dark-matter plus a cloud of hot sodium.
Obviously it’s because of all the pesky dark-matter plus all of that
surrounding sodium atmosphere that’s responsible for having blocked
out most all of the color/hue saturation and otherwise having skewed
the albedo while having moderated the dynamic range of their imaging,
to being worse off than Kodak film.
Media NEWS FLASH! / by Brad Guth
Dark Matter discovered by Apollo and Messenger
Apollo and Messenger inadvertently discovered dark matter, whereas the
closer each got to their mission objective, it seems the lighter or
more reflective and otherwise grayish pastel each of their respective
targets became by the reciprocal of the distance.
D/2 = 1.5 Albedo
This is good news because, it fully explains as to why our moon via
Apollo EVAs looked exactly as though a terrestrial guano island might,
especially if xenon arc lamp spectrum illuminated, all because of the
DM albedo attenuation and its unexpected ability to filter out most of
the raw solar UV. Apparently this is also why at night on Earth,
while getting illuminated under a crystal clear sky by way of a full
moon that is only contributing 7% of the solar visual spectrum, making
our Selene/moon albedo only seem as though its surface upon average is
darker than terrestrial coal, and otherwise entirely without any color/
hue worth of having any significant surface minerals or deposits other
than guano like grayish pastels.
Of course this discovery of at least our local solar system dark
matter would tend to revise most all other stellar distances by at a
similar albedo and/or starshine factor as based upon this same
reciprocal of distance. So, what is it going to take for getting our
future exploration probes outside of this “dark matter” cloud or fog?
Eric Chomko
Brad, a recent JAXA press release states that Apollo 15 landing site
has been seen from Selene. Read here: http://www.jaxa.jp/press/2008/05/20080520_kaguya_e.html
Are they lying too?
Eric
BradGuth
Yes they are, because their nearly ideal 3D look-see and 10 meter/
pixel resolution of also having such terrific dynamic range and
spectrum bandwidth couldn't possibly have missed so mush of our bright
and shiny Apollo stuff upon such an otherwise physically dark Selene/
moon.
For your benefit, I shall eventually get myself around to editing my
old websites, and perhaps even lecture to those few that are not yet
assimilated into your mainstream Borg collective. In the mean time,
it’s worth our getting back to our Selene/moon that’s having been
shrouded in magic dark-matter plus a cloud of hot sodium.
Obviously it’s because of all that pesky dark-matter plus all of that
surrounding sodium atmosphere that’s responsible for having blocked
out or filtered most all of the color/hue saturation, and otherwise
having skewed the surface albedo while also having moderated the
dynamic range and color/hue saturation by way of their NASA/Apollo
plus newer imaging science, to being worse off than Kodak film.
Media NEWS FLASH! / by Brad Guth
Dark Matter discovered by Apollo and Messenger
Apollo and Messenger inadvertently discovered dark matter, whereas the
closer each got to their mission objective, it seems the lighter or
more reflective and otherwise grayish pastel each of their respective
targets became by the reciprocal of the distance.
D/2 = 1.5 Albedo
This is good news because, it fully explains as to why our moon via
Apollo EVAs looked exactly as though a terrestrial guano island might,
especially if xenon arc lamp spectrum illuminated, all because of the
DM albedo attenuation and its unexpected ability to filter out most of
the raw solar UV. Apparently this is also why at night on Earth,
while getting illuminated under a crystal clear sky by way of a full
moon that is only contributing 7% of the solar visual spectrum, making
our Selene/moon albedo only seem as though its surface upon average is
darker than terrestrial coal, and otherwise entirely without any color/
hue worth of having any significant surface minerals or deposits other
than guano like grayish pastels.
Of course this discovery of at least our local solar system dark
matter would tend to revise most all other stellar distances by at a
similar albedo and/or starshine factor as based upon this same
reciprocal of distance. So, what is it going to take for getting our
future exploration probes outside of this “dark matter” cloud or fog?
~ Brad Guth Brad_Guth Brad.Guth BradGuth BG
Greatest Mining Pioneer of Australia of all Times
What do you think Brad of this type of rocket propelled system to send
people to outer space ? Don't you think it's a type of hopeless system
to get anywhere ...
What about anti gravitation crafts to reach Mars in let say half a
day ?
Do you think this is possible ?
jpturcaud
BradGuth
Perhaps liquid fueled boosters for getting big enough stuff into LEO
is still our best shot in the dark, so to speak. However, from that
point on the use of large scale ion thrusters should become the norm.
Anti-Gravitation crafts are currently not known by or otherwise
accepted the general public, not that such technology doesn't exist to
some extent in secret.
There is still need of considerable retro-thrust for parking into a
reasonable orbit about the given destination. Most exploration
efforts have been sorely deficient in retro-thrust capability, because
such demands packing along substantial rocket engines and a fair load
of considerable fuel that's much easier said than accomplished. Solid
fuel thrusters as parking or final decent brakes has been used, and to
some extent they do function.
~ BG
don findlay
BradGuth wrote:
I really like this advert for photoshop, Brad... I can just see it
(Photoshop):- "Moon Landings..!" , .. "An Expanding Earth..! "
"Rupert Murdoch with a young wife !!! "
Create your own reality with Photopshop - The poor Man's get-a-life
(How much does acc4ess to this virtual world cost?)
Tell you what, .. about the young wife. It's just a ruse to convince
the Chinese of the power of love over greedy acquisition, isn't it?
Do you think she believes him? That's a hard one for the poor old
bugger isn't it?
BradGuth
Spoken like a certified Zionist/Nazi that never quite became a 5th
grader.
Obviously JAXA has other than PhotoShop options. Perhaps a little
something provided by our DARPA.
~ BG
Eric Chomko
Yep, to Guth, the current understanding of science IS the "mainstream
BORG collective". So, Brad, you'll go so far as to be different then
the prevailing manner of thinking to actually believe in your own
fantasies?
What prooff do you have that Venus is habitable. What proof do you
have of anything that you believe?!
> In the mean time,
> it’s worth our getting back to our Selene/moon that’s having been
> shrouded in magic dark-matter plus a cloud of hot sodium.
Hot sodium? Prove it? You can't!
> Obviously it’s because of all that pesky dark-matter plus all of that
> surrounding sodium atmosphere that’s responsible for having blocked
> out or filtered most all of the color/hue saturation, and otherwise
> having skewed the surface albedo while also having moderated the
> dynamic range and color/hue saturation by way of their NASA/Apollo
> plus newer imaging science, to being worse off than Kodak film.
>
> Media NEWS FLASH! / by Brad Guth
> Dark Matter discovered by Apollo and Messenger
>
> Apollo and Messenger inadvertently discovered dark matter, whereas the
> closer each got to their mission objective, it seems the lighter or
> more reflective and otherwise grayish pastel each of their respective
> targets became by the reciprocal of the distance.
>
Dark matter is interstellar dust, NOT a planetary substance.
> D/2 = 1.5 Albedo
From wiki about albedo: "The range of possible values is from 0 (dark)
to 1 (bright)."
You truly are a dumb ass.
>
> This is good news because, it fully explains as to why our moon via
> Apollo EVAs looked exactly as though a terrestrial guano island might,
> especially if xenon arc lamp spectrum illuminated, all because of the
> DM albedo attenuation and its unexpected ability to filter out most of
> the raw solar UV. Apparently this is also why at night on Earth,
> while getting illuminated under a crystal clear sky by way of a full
> moon that is only contributing 7% of the solar visual spectrum, making
> our Selene/moon albedo only seem as though its surface upon average is
> darker than terrestrial coal, and otherwise entirely without any color/
> hue worth of having any significant surface minerals or deposits other
> than guano like grayish pastels.
>
> Of course this discovery of at least our local solar system dark
> matter would tend to revise most all other stellar distances by at a
> similar albedo and/or starshine factor as based upon this same
> reciprocal of distance. So, what is it going to take for getting our
> future exploration probes outside of this “dark matter” cloud or fog?
>
You tell me. You created the fictious Brad-world, you have to explain
how it works. The real world, leave that to the rest of us.
Eric
BradGuth
I have my perfectly honest observationology and the regular laws of
physics, neither of which your NASA/Apollo has to work with.
>
> > In the mean time,
> > it’s worth our getting back to our Selene/moon that’s having been
> > shrouded in magic dark-matter plus a cloud of hot sodium.
>
> Hot sodium? Prove it? You can't!
The surrounding cloud of sodium does exist, as does the 900,000 km
comet like trail of sodium. If it wasn't sufficiently hot it would
not be sustained within the surrounding atmosphere of that highly
electrostatic charged Selene/moon, but instead attached to the lunar
surface as a mineral or raw element deposit.
>
> > Obviously it’s because of all that pesky dark-matter plus all of that
> > surrounding sodium atmosphere that’s responsible for having blocked
> > out or filtered most all of the color/hue saturation, and otherwise
> > having skewed the surface albedo while also having moderated the
> > dynamic range and color/hue saturation by way of their NASA/Apollo
> > plus newer imaging science, to being worse off than Kodak film.
>
> > Media NEWS FLASH! / by Brad Guth
> > Dark Matter discovered by Apollo and Messenger
>
> > Apollo and Messenger inadvertently discovered dark matter, whereas the
> > closer each got to their mission objective, it seems the lighter or
> > more reflective and otherwise grayish pastel each of their respective
> > targets became by the reciprocal of the distance.
>
> Dark matter is interstellar dust, NOT a planetary substance.
>
> > D/2 = 1.5 Albedo
>
> From wiki about albedo: "The range of possible values is from 0 (dark)
> to 1 (bright)."
>
> You truly are a dumb ass.
And Hitler just loves your kind of mainstream or bust mindset. What
part of duh-101 physics did you either entirely miss or fail to pass?
>
> > This is good news because, it fully explains as to why our moon via
> > Apollo EVAs looked exactly as though a terrestrial guano island might,
> > especially if xenon arc lamp spectrum illuminated, all because of the
> > DM albedo attenuation and its unexpected ability to filter out most of
> > the raw solar UV. Apparently this is also why at night on Earth,
> > while getting illuminated under a crystal clear sky by way of a full
> > moon that is only contributing 7% of the solar visual spectrum, making
> > our Selene/moon albedo only seem as though its surface upon average is
> > darker than terrestrial coal, and otherwise entirely without any color/
> > hue worth of having any significant surface minerals or deposits other
> > than guano like grayish pastels.
>
> > Of course this discovery of at least our local solar system dark
> > matter would tend to revise most all other stellar distances by at a
> > similar albedo and/or starshine factor as based upon this same
> > reciprocal of distance. So, what is it going to take for getting our
> > future exploration probes outside of this “dark matter” cloud or fog?
>
> You tell me. You created the fictious Brad-world, you have to explain
> how it works. The real world, leave that to the rest of us.
>
> Eric
So, you think our Selene/moon surface is supposed to look exactly like
a certain light grayish/pastel terrestrial guano island, that's xenon
arc lamp spectrum illuminated?
~ BG
BradGuth
The related topic of “cosmological ice ages” is simply a deductive
formulated analogy, though certainly offering subjective
interpretation as limited by the best available science, and if
perchance I’m not sufficiently right, then perhaps neither are you or
the rest of your collective mainstream mindset that isn’t allowed to
connect dots.
-
Venus might as well be reclassified as an exoplanet.
A nearby Epsilon Eridani w/exoplanet of 1.6 Jupiter mass, orbiting at
3.4 AU from a slightly smaller and cooler (perhaps 30% luminosity
because it’s more IR spectrum) version than our sun, as having a kind
of newish and passive star that’s making it likely for life to exist/
coexist on such a planet, though perhaps more than likely upon one of
its magnetosphere protected moons. Of other smaller planets (possibly
Earth or Venus like) should by rights exist.
http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/starlog/grm34.html#c4
http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/starlog/strclos.html#c0
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epsilon_Eridani
There’s also some hope for Alpha Centauri A/B hosting a viable planet
or two, as well as our solar system trek through interstellar space
being directly linked to the same barycenter that’s keeping Centauri
and Sirius in charge of our ice age and subsequent thaw cycles.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alpha_Centauri
Too bad we can’t even explore and directly benefit from our
incredible Selene/moon that’s so nearby and absolutely chuck full of
and otherwise holding onto all sorts of nifty stuff, much less fondle
Venus or for that matter any other local planet or moon in person.
Obviously we’re still having too much terrestrial fun at screwing one
another to death, as well as trashing mother Earth for all she’s
worth, and then some. The brown-nosed and pretend-Atheist clownism of
Usenet/newsgroups is the digital AIDS or MRSA version of systematic
intellectual trauma and carnage that’s in full blown global epidemic
mode.
Mainstream media wouldn’t dare extrapolate anything from Google/NOVA
Groups or via Usenet/newsgroups without a full flack suit and loads of
other body armor, including an industrial grade genital cup and butt
plug, full hasmat wetsuit and extra special snorkels or rebreathers
for surviving the cesspools of mainstream orchestrated infowar
disinformation and infomercial spewed crapolla that gets continually
promoted as the one and only truth.
David Johnston
<brad...@gmail.com> wrote:
>For those of us in the perpetual denial rut of being in denial, it
>seems the JAXA/Selene (KAGUYA) mission is already there (as having
>been doing a damn fine job of orbiting and detail mapping of our
>Selene/moon) and rather busy at doing its usual cover thy NASA/Apollo
>butt as is. What more proof-positive evidence of their ongoing ruse/
>sting of the mutually perpetrated cold-war century would you like, or
>need?
I see. So you believe the total lack of evidence of anything is proof
positive of the conspiracy.
BradGuth
> On Sun, 12 Oct 2008 18:00:08 -0700 (PDT), BradGuth
>
Folks here on Earth and especially in Texas have been convicted and
sentenced to death on far less. Speaking of a "total lack of
evidence"; would you like a Patriot Act analogy instead?
~ BG
pyotr filipivich
Johnston <da...@block.net> wrote on Tue, 21 Oct 2008 22:23:10 GMT in
soc.history.what-if :
BradGuth is part of the conspiracy. The section to make those who
really know what is going on, appear to be complete loons.
So far, he's been very successful.
tschus
pyotr
--
pyotr filipivich
Most of the intelligentsia haven't studied history, so much
as they've absorbed the Correct Position on "History".
BradGuth
> [Default] I missed the Staff meeting, but the Memos showed that David
> Johnston <da...@block.net> wrote on Tue, 21 Oct 2008 22:23:10 GMT in
> soc.history.what-if :
>
> >On Sun, 12 Oct 2008 18:00:08 -0700 (PDT), BradGuth
> ><bradg...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >>For those of us in the perpetual denial rut of being in denial, it
> >>seems the JAXA/Selene (KAGUYA) mission is already there (as having
> >>been doing a damn fine job of orbiting and detail mapping of our
> >>Selene/moon) and rather busy at doing its usual cover thy NASA/Apollo
> >>butt as is. What more proof-positive evidence of their ongoing ruse/
> >>sting of the mutually perpetrated cold-war century would you like, or
> >>need?
>
> >I see. So you believe the total lack of evidence of anything is proof
> >positive of the conspiracy.
>
> BradGuth is part of the conspiracy. The section to make those who
> really know what is going on, appear to be complete loons.
>
> So far, he's been very successful.
And to think, it really hasn't been all that hard to accomplish, just
time consuming.
~ BG
Hagar
The only fact you've established thus far is the fact that you are an
indisputable lunatic of such proportions, that any funny farm would be proud
to house you in one of their renowned padded cells.
Get a life, you freak.
pyotr filipivich
(PDT) in soc.history.what-if :
Your work here is done, then. Time for a new project.
BradGuth
> [Default] I missed the Staff meeting, but the Memos showed that
How about my icy lithobraking encounter that gave us our seasonal
tilt, or my LSE-CM/ISS topic, or the POOF City at Venus L2, or how
about the geothermally toasty planet Venus itself? (you pick)
btw, India's Chandrayaan 1 lunar mission to Selene should help to
pick up further observationology slack, as to better mapping of those
raw minerals and of giving us a far better color/hue saturation look-
see in the visual plus UV and IR adapted spectrums of our physically
dark Selene, possibly even as good of resolution as with the JAXA/
Selene mission at 10 m/pixel that'll eventually end up orbiting at 10
km and thus obtaining meter/pixel resolution. However, their gamma
secondary/recoil spectrum derived imaging should be the most
impressive.
BradGuth
> "BradGuth" <bradg...@gmail.com> wrote in message
Why don't we see what the India Chandrayaan 1 has to offer?
Let us see how much pressure or influence our DARPA and NASA has on
restricting or moderating their Selene research.
Jeff Findley
<Brad Guth Non Grata> wrote in message
news:4cksf490avl9flqi1...@4ax.com...
> On Tue, 21 Oct 2008 15:01:20 -0700 (PDT), BradGuth
> <brad...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>~ Brad Guth Brad_Guth Brad.Guth BradGuth BG
>
Sorry, but raving lunatics like Brad Guth never go away. You just have to
killfile them.
Jeff
--
A clever person solves a problem.
A wise person avoids it. -- Einstein
BradGuth
wrote:
> <Brad Guth Non Grata> wrote in messagenews:4cksf490avl9flqi1...@4ax.com...
>
> > On Tue, 21 Oct 2008 15:01:20 -0700 (PDT), BradGuth
> > <bradg...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >>~ Brad Guth Brad_Guth Brad.Guth BradGuth BG
>
> > Will you just die already? Please!
>
> Sorry, but raving lunatics like Brad Guth never go away. You just have to
> killfile them.
>
> Jeff
If you were Hitler you'd just kill whatever messenger(s) you didn't
like.
Obviously you also have no objective evidence in support of those
Apollo landings and EVAs.
~ BG
Hagar
> On Oct 22, 9:26 am, pyotr filipivich <ph...@mindspring.com> wrote:
>> [Default] I missed the Staff meeting, but the Memos showed that
>> BradGuth <bradg...@gmail.com> wrote on Tue, 21 Oct 2008 19:16:10 -0700
>> (PDT) in soc.history.what-if :
> snip GuthBall drivel <
> btw, India's Chandrayaan 1 lunar mission to Selene should help to
> pick up further observationology slack, as to better mapping of those
> raw minerals and of giving us a far better color/hue saturation look-
> see in the visual plus UV and IR adapted spectrums of our physically
> dark Selene, possibly even as good of resolution as with the JAXA/
> Selene mission at 10 m/pixel that'll eventually end up orbiting at 10
> km and thus obtaining meter/pixel resolution. However, their gamma
> secondary/recoil spectrum derived imaging should be the most
> impressive.
See Brad, here you thought your degree in "Supreme Idiocy" would never come
in handy ... but you set the world straight on that subject.
BradGuth
> "BradGuth" <bradg...@gmail.com> wrote in message
Now you want to exclude the regular laws of physics and otherwise
allow as much image tampering as it takes?
What is it about telling or sharing the best available truth(s) that's
so upsetting to those of your kind?
Are you suggesting that India should be allowed to lie on behalf of
protecting your ARPA/DARPA and NASA?
Why can't the truth about our physically dark Selene/moon be told?
~ BG
BradGuth
I never realized how much Usenet inside power Hagar has until dong a
typical search for my name, and then using the "sort by date
function".
That Google Groups "Search by date" function is nearly useless the way
lord Hagar and company has it rigged.
~ Brad Guth Brad_Guth Brad.Guth BradGuth BG / “Guth Usenet”
~ Brad Guth Brad_Guth Brad.Guth BradGuth BG / “Guth Usenet”
Will in New Haven
I have met several of the astronauts and I would believe them over you
if there were no other evidence. I do not, however, support killing
you.
You really don't matter at all.
--
Will in New Haven
DJensen
PLONK
--
DJensen
BradGuth
wrote:
That's such a shame that a born-again parrot like yourself can't do
any better than believing the fully subjective words of astronauts
that wouldn't dare say anything that wasn't scripted and/or otherwise
approved, or else.
~ Brad Guth Brad_Guth Brad.Guth BradGuth BG / “Guth Usenet”
Will in New Haven
I was only born once. I have known too many people involved in the
space program to feel you have any credit at all.. This is all even
ignoring the psychotic symptoms you exhibit. Were I a nicer person I
would ignore you and your insistance on using the word Selene like
anyone cares about it and your stupid repitition of your dull and
unharmonious name at the end of every post. But I'm not a nice
person.
But thank you for calling me a parrot. We have two of them and I like
them.
BradGuth
I too have had parrots, still have Love Birds and I too liked them
all, perhaps because they never had a hidden agenda or ulterior
motive, much less were they Zionist/Nazis cloaked as pretend Atheists,
and they even respected my space.
Unlike yourself and others of your silly kind, I do not have to
exclude evidence or otherwise depend upon conditional laws of physics
in order to cover my butt like our resident LLPOF warlord(GW Bush),
DARPA, NASA and even JAXA w/brown-nose syndrome.
btw, all moons have names, including that unusual one of ours being
Selene.
Why don't you tell us about the physically dark and nasty aspects of
our moon (Selene).
Wouldn't you like to help us relocate our moon(Selene) to Earth L1?
~ Brad Guth Brad_Guth Brad.Guth BradGuth BG / “Guth Usenet”
http://www.alaskapublishing.com
http://www.guarddogbooks.com
BradGuth
In fact, the entire Google Groups index stack of topics has been
systematically screwed up for years, by way of continually showing the
dumbfounded public really old stuff that has been inactive (sometimes
for years), and yet a "sort by date" doesn't seem to get rid of it.
BradGuth
> For those of us in the perpetual denial rut of being in denial, it
> seems the JAXA/Selene (KAGUYA) mission is already there (as having
> been doing a damn fine job of orbiting and detail mapping of our
> Selene/moon) and rather busy at doing its usual cover thy NASA/Apollo
> butt as is. What more proof-positive evidence of their ongoing ruse/
> sting of the mutually perpetrated cold-war century would you like, or
> need?
>
> JAXA doesn’t ring so much as one of your dumbfounded bells, then
> perhaps nothing could. Perhaps the best question of the day is; Which
> one of us had the deepest lobotomy?
>
> I shall attempt to revise and repost the following context of my
> manifesto/rant for your lobotomized amusement.
>
> For the likes of our resident MI5/CIA spook/mole William Mook (aka
> self proclaimed wizard of Oz), I’d like to further share my worthy
> opinion that our Selene/moon is actually a pretty darn good NEA to
> start off with, thereby no need of our investing in such extreme R&D
> of going after anything else, or otherwise having to wait around until
> something of an interesting asteroid comes our way. Too bad all of
> our mission critical Apollo R&D and much of their original mission
> science has gone missing in action (somewhat like all of those Muslim
> WMD that clearly never existed in the first place), and worse yet of
> those extremely smart Zionist/Nazi wizards of our NASA predecessors
> are either too old and cranky or near death to even think about
> getting us safely walking on our Selene/moon.
>
More of the same old status quo of don’t ask, don’t tell.
http://www.selene.jaxa.jp/index_e.htm
KAGUYA (SELENE)
http://www.jaxa.jp/press/2008/10/20081009_kaguya_e.html
Full Earth-rise taken by HDTV (Tele camera)
http://www.jaxa.jp/press/2008/10/img/20081009_kaguya_01l.jpg
Notice how there’s hardly any color/hue saturation of our naked moon.
Not even any signs of sodium for Christ sake.
Notice how there is clearly a PhotoShop line that closely follows
their lunar horizon.
Notice how the albedo of the moon is artificially made to look
extremely pastel and otherwise as though it’s worth 0.65 ~ 0.75.
Matter of fact, it seems there’s nothing remotely basalt dark, much
less hardly the least bit ob bedrock contrasty, as even those few
shadows are of a dark gray instead of being pitch black, which is odd
since the solar illumination was directly behind their horizon angled
HDTV camera (meaning not above it and otherwise not looking down), and
there even seems better image resolution of Earth than of Selene to
boot.
Even though their HDTV camera has at least ten fold better dynamic
range than Kodak film, plus extended color/hue detection, please
notice how there’s never a hint of anything other than Earth above
that moon horizon, that which should have been as nearly if not
looking somewhat darker than terrestrial coal.
Is our Selene/moon the only orb in the solar system without complex
minerals, and otherwise without its fair share of cosmic deposits?
Is our Selene/moon the only orb of its kind that’s entirely passive
and otherwise not the least bit UV or even gamma reactive?
BradGuth
More of the same old status quo, of don’t ask, don’t tell.
http://www.selene.jaxa.jp/index_e.htm
KAGUYA (SELENE)
http://www.jaxa.jp/press/2008/10/20081009_kaguya_e.html
Full Earth-rise taken by HDTV (Tele camera)
http://www.jaxa.jp/press/2008/10/img/20081009_kaguya_01l.jpg
Notice how there’s hardly any color/hue saturation of our naked moon.
Not even any signs of sodium for Christ sake. By rights there should
have been at least some indication of an ionized sodium atmosphere to
behold, not to mention UV reactive black-light affect of unavoidable
mineral fluorescence or secondary color/hue saturations.
Notice how there is clearly a PhotoShop line that closely follows
their lunar horizon, thereby processing the moon different than Earth,
and different again for all of the surrounding black that couldn’t
possibly remain as entirely empty of sufficient albedo worthy items.
Notice how the albedo of the moon itself is artificially made to look
extremely pastel and otherwise as though it’s worth 0.65 ~ 0.75
reflective. Matter of fact, it seems there’s nothing even remotely
basalt dark, much less hardly the least bit of bedrock contrasty, as
even those few shadows are of a dark gray instead of being pitch
black, which is odd since the solar illumination was situated directly
behind their horizon angled HDTV camera (meaning the sun was not
above, and otherwise their HDTV camera was not looking down), and
there even seems better image resolution of Earth than of Selene to
boot, as though their lens was somehow out of foreground focus.
Even though their HDTV camera has at least ten fold better dynamic
range than Kodak film, plus extended color/hue detection, please take
5th grade notice how there’s never a hint of anything other than Earth
above that pastel gray horizon, that which should have been as nearly
if not looking somewhat darker than terrestrial coal.
Is our Selene/moon the only such orb in the solar system without
complex minerals, and otherwise without its fair share of local and
cosmic deposits?
Is our Selene/moon the only soft focus orb of its kind that’s entirely
passive and otherwise not the least bit UV or even gamma anticathode
BradGuth
The “one way trip to the moon”
A one-way mission is perhaps the best we can manage anyway, so the
old and/or the soon to be dying should be the ones given that public
funded one-way ticket to ride. Another option is for those on death
row that obviously have little if anything to lose (Texas seems to
have more than their fair share), whereas in either case we'd pay
their next of kin a few million, and let it go at that, as
representing their final debt paid to society.
If we’re lucky, a few subsequent robotic deployed payloads of O2, beer
and pizza could follow their arrival onto that physically dark and
nasty surface of Selene, their final supplies spiked with a Kavorkian
cocktail so that no unnecessary pain or suffering would ever take
place. Come to think about it, perhaps an old fart like Jack Kavorkian
himself should go, along with our botoxin injected GW Bush and his
trusty Dick Cheney that’s an artificially sustained heartbeat away
from death anyway.
If we play our cards right, along with sufficient bribes or if need be
black ops, we could even open up a few more of those republican held
seats.
On Nov 7, 8:10 am, ohara...@mindspring.com wrote:
> Being an older caver whose exploration days are behind me, this idea
> really appeals to me even though I am in perfect health. Lunar Lava
> tubes, the outer frontier of caving. Yes, I'd do it.
>
> While caving at TAG (Tumbling Rock Cave), I told my 21 yr old daughter
> of this idea saying I'd volunteer to go even though I am in good
> health and she replied "Are you nuts?" and I replied, "Of course I'm
> nuts, I'm a caver"
>
> There is no greater thrill than seeing a place no other human has
> seen. Crawling through some gawdawful breakdown of rock and emerging
> into huge borehole passage where no human has ever been is the most
> addictive drug I can imagine. We rarely have this happen to us on a
> large scale but as a caver it happens on a smaller scale all the time
> finding small passage where nobody has been. Once you do find a large
> passage like this, it warps your mind and makes you want to repeat it
> over and over. This is why exploring a lunar lava tube would be so good
> even though it would be fatal. To die knowing I had accomplished
> something so significant would make me happy to the end.
It’s not as though a one-way ticket to ride means that you'd have to
needlessly die before your time. Within existing technology and
skill, supplies could be sent to your lunar habitat/cave on a fairly
regular basis, and by rights we should have this one-way deployment
technology as is, if not nailed as of decades ago.
There should not be but a few problems if any in getting fresh
supplies of O2, beer, pizza and toilet paper safely deployed via hard-
landings upon the physically dark and otherwise nasty surface of that
moon. I'd say our existing robotic fly-by-rocket deployment accuracy
of accomplishing no worse off than +/- 1 km, as such would place those
payloads of supplies damn near at the doorstep of that tunnel/cave
entrance. As long as those resupplies are in no hurry, the fly-by-
rocket effort is relatively fuel efficient, at not one percent the
fuel requirement as for a direct and highly expedient rout as
necessary for transporting frail human DNA that has to quickly get
there and then get safely returned home before there’s too much
internal DNA trauma, in that a bone marrow transplant or stem cell
injections can’t manage to salvage.
At the cave/tunnel entrance, an inflated balloon or rather a tough
kind of synthetic bladder could make for the air-tight entrance that
would rather nicely seal off the extreme vacuum of outside from the
0.5 bar interior that’s displaced with no greater than 50% O2 (a 25/75
mix of O2/N2 should actually be sufficient), and because it’s always
so crystal dry means that even large amounts of CO2 accumulation will
not be all that nasty.
Perhaps eventually (say within another 10 years down the R&D road) an
actual fly-by-rocket lander by way of Germany, China or possibly India
could be developed and utilized in order to extract those wishing to
return home.
If you could manage to get yourself safely underground, such as into a
robust hollow lava tube or best situated into a substantial geode
pocket, as such we might be able to keep you alive for months or even
years on end, and we'd still be way under the budget and not likely a
tenth the time for accomplishing all the proper R&D of any two-way
mission.
It is likely that our moon offers a verity of small but viable pockets
of hollow crust or perhaps geode crystal lined pockets, that could
become modified in order to accommodate more than a few humans. The
JAXA LUNAR-A was yet another intentionally derailed mission as of a
decade ago that could have mapped such underground features. From the
Selene/moon L1, ground penetration radar mapping of the crust could
have further indicated those most likely hollow or pocket aspects, but
sadly we don’t have that option either.
Even those highly restricted images of the JAXA/Selene mission could
have told us a great deal about what we needed to know as of a year
ago. The next go-around via India and at half again better resolution
could prove the most interesting and downright informative, that is
unless our DARPA and their NASA puppets put yet another stop to the
flow of such scientific data.
BradGuth
The “one way trip to the moon” that'll pay for itself.
With the way such matters stand, a one-way mission is perhaps the best
we can manage anyway, so the old and/or the soon to be dying should be
the ones given that public funded one-way ticket to ride. Another
option is for those on death row that obviously have little if
anything to lose (Texas seems to have more than their fair share),
whereas in either case we'd pay their next of kin a few million and
let it go at that, as representing their final debt paid to society.
If we’re lucky, a few subsequent robotic deployed payloads of O2, beer
and pizza could follow their arrival onto that physically dark and
nasty surface of Selene, their final supplies spiked with a Kavorkian
cocktail so that no unnecessary pain or suffering would ever take
place. Come to think about it, perhaps an old fart like Jack Kavorkian
himself should go, along with our botoxin injected GW Bush and his
trusty Dick Cheney that’s an artificially sustained heartbeat away
from death anyway.
If we play our cards right, along with sufficient bribes or if need be
use of black ops, we could even open up a few more of those republican
held seats.
On Nov 7, 8:10 am, ohara...@mindspring.com wrote:
> Being an older caver whose exploration days are behind me, this idea
> really appeals to me even though I am in perfect health. Lunar Lava
> tubes, the outer frontier of caving. Yes, I'd do it.
>
> While caving at TAG (Tumbling Rock Cave), I told my 21 yr old daughter
> of this idea saying I'd volunteer to go even though I am in good
> health and she replied "Are you nuts?" and I replied, "Of course I'm
> nuts, I'm a caver"
>
> There is no greater thrill than seeing a place no other human has
> seen. Crawling through some gawdawful breakdown of rock and emerging
> into huge borehole passage where no human has ever been is the most
> addictive drug I can imagine. We rarely have this happen to us on a
> large scale but as a caver it happens on a smaller scale all the time
> finding small passage where nobody has been. Once you do find a large
> passage like this, it warps your mind and makes you want to repeat it
> over and over. This is why exploring a lunar lava tube would be so good
> even though it would be fatal. To die knowing I had accomplished
> something so significant would make me happy to the end.
It’s not as though a one-way ticket to ride means that you'd have to
needlessly die before your time. Within existing technology and
skill, supplies could be continually sent to your lunar habitat/cave
on a fairly regular basis, and by rights we should have this one-way
deployment technology as is, if not supposedly nailed as of decades
ago.
There should not be but a few problems if any in getting fresh
supplies of O2, beer, pizza and toilet paper safely deployed via retro-
thrust and their semi hard-landings upon the physically dark and
otherwise nasty surface of that moon. I'd say our existing robotic
fly-by-rocket deployment accuracy of accomplishing no worse off than
+/- 1 km targeting, as such would place those payloads of supplies
damn near at the doorstep of that tunnel/cave entrance. As long as
those resupplies are unmanned and in no hurry, the fly-by-rocket
effort is relatively fuel efficient, at not one percent the fuel
requirement as for any direct and highly expedient rout as necessary
for transporting our frail human DNA that has to quickly get there and
then get safely returned home before there’s too much internal DNA
trauma, in that a banked bone marrow transplant or stem cell
injections can’t manage to salvage.
At the cave/tunnel entrance to this lunar habitat, an inflated balloon
or rather a tough kind of synthetic bladder could make for the air-
tight entrance that would rather nicely seal off the extreme vacuum of
outside from the 0.5 bar interior that’s displaced with no greater
than 50% O2 (a 25/75 mix of O2/N2 should actually be sufficient), and
because it’s always so crystal dry means that even large amounts of
CO2 accumulation will not become all that nasty.
If you could manage to get yourself safely underground and as quickly
as possible, such as into a robust hollow lava tube or best situated
into a substantial geode pocket, as such we might be able to keep you
alive for months or even years on end, and we'd still be way under
budget and not likely a tenth the time for accomplishing all the
proper R&D of any two-way mission.
It is likely that our moon offers a verity of small but viable pockets
of hollow crust or perhaps geode crystal lined pockets, that could
become modified in order to accommodate more than a few humans. The
JAXA LUNAR-A was yet another intentionally derailed mission as of a
decade ago that could have mapped such underground features. From the
Selene/moon L1, with capable ground penetration radar mapping of the
crust could have further indicated those most likely hollow or pocket
aspects, but sadly we still don’t have that option either.
Even those highly restricted images of the JAXA/Selene mission could
have told us a great deal about what we needed to know as of a year
ago. The next go-around via India and at half again better resolution
could prove the most interesting and downright informative, that is
unless our DARPA and their NASA puppets put yet another stop to the
flow of such scientific data.
Perhaps eventually (say within another 10 years down the R&D road) an
actual Selene/moon L1 Oasis and fly-by-rocket lander by way of
Germany, China or possibly India could be developed and utilized in
order to extract those wishing to return home.
~ Brad Guth Brad_Guth Brad.Guth BradGuth BG / “Guth Usenet”
BradGuth
doing their usual topic/author stalking?
> effort is relatively fuel efficient, at perhaps not one percent the fuel
~ BG
BradGuth
> What's the matter this time? Where are my favorite brown-nosed clowns
>
>
> > The “one way trip to the moon” that'll pay for itself.
>
> > With the way such matters stand, a one-way mission is perhaps the best
> > we can manage anyway, so the old and/or the soon to be dying should be
> > the ones given that public funded one-way ticket to ride. Another
> > option is for those on death row that obviously have little if
> > anything to lose (Texas seems to have more than their fair share),
> > whereas in either case we'd pay their next of kin a few million and
> > let it go at that, as representing their final debt paid to society.
>
> > If we’re lucky, a few subsequent robotic deployed payloads of O2, beer
> > and pizza could follow their arrival onto that physically dark and
> > nasty surface of Selene, their final supplies spiked with a Kavorkian
> > cocktail so that no unnecessary pain or suffering would ever take
Why is our Selene/moon not highly electrostatic charged?
Why are the accepted laws of physics different off-world?
~ BG
Painius
news:3af9f49f-d3ba-48a4...@o40g2000prn.googlegroups.com...
>
> . . . Were I a nicer person I
> would ignore you and your insistance on using the word Selene like
>
> --
> Will in New Haven
Of course you realize, Will, that "Selene" is the name
given the Moon by the ancient Greeks? While i like
Brad and some of his ideas, i will agree that on the
issue of whether or not men have walked on the Moon,
he is very much deluded.
However, you should probably blame me for calling it
Selene so much. Every so often i post thoughts about
reclassifying the Moon as a full-fledged planet in its
own right. I read this idea first in an Isaac Asimov
non-fiction work about the Moon. Most of the ideas i
have published on this come from Asimov. But the
one about calling the Moon planet "Selene" is mine
alone, so you can blame me for that one.
In case you might be interested, i have uploaded the
"Moon as planet" ideas to a website...
http://paine_ellsworth.home.att.net/bb_Selene_toc.html
Please keep in mind that i am not thin-skinned, so
any objections you might have to Asimov's ideas will
be sincerely welcome!
happy days and...
starry starry nights!
--
Indelibly yours,
Paine Ellsworth
P.S.: "Do what you do so well that they will want to
see it again and bring their friends."
> Walt Disney
P.P.S.: http://yummycake.secretsgolden.com
http://garden-of-ebooks.blogspot.com
http://painellsworth.net
BradGuth
> "Will in New Haven" <bill.re...@taylorandfrancis.com> wrote in message...news:3af9f49f-d3ba-48a4...@o40g2000prn.googlegroups.com...
>
>
>
> > . . . Were I a nicer person I
> > would ignore you and your insistance on using the word Selene like
> > anyone cares about it and . . .
>
> > --
> > Will in New Haven
>
> Of course you realize, Will, that "Selene" is the name
> given the Moon by the ancient Greeks? While i like
> Brad and some of his ideas, i will agree that on the
> issue of whether or not men have walked on the Moon,
> he is very much deluded.
>
> However, you should probably blame me for calling it
> Selene so much. Every so often i post thoughts about
> reclassifying the Moon as a full-fledged planet in its
> own right. I read this idea first in an Isaac Asimov
> non-fiction work about the Moon. Most of the ideas i
> have published on this come from Asimov. But the
> one about calling the Moon planet "Selene" is mine
> alone, so you can blame me for that one.
>
> In case you might be interested, i have uploaded the
> "Moon as planet" ideas to a website...
>
> http://paine_ellsworth.home.att.net/bb_Selene_toc.html
>
> Please keep in mind that i am not thin-skinned, so
> any objections you might have to Asimov's ideas will
> be sincerely welcome!
I would agree, that our Selene could have been a planet, a little more
specifically a Sirius-B planet, or at the very least as having once
belonged to Venus as they arrived into our passive little solar
system, and Selene or possibly even Venus having bumped into Earth so
as to create our seasonal tilt, an arctic ocean basin and a few of
those pesky antipode mountains (such as in Antarctica).
You do realize that each and every 19 months is when Venus shows us
the exact same face. The random orbital happenstance of that kind of
tidal link ever happening are truly astronomical, unless there was
some kind of physical encounter.
~ Brad Guth Brad_Guth Brad.Guth BradGuth BG / “Guth Usenet”
BradGuth
What exactly is our DARPA and/or NASA telling India (ISRO) they can or
can not show the public about our moon?
CHANDRAYAAN - 1
http://www.isro.org/index.htm
It has been reported that they have in fact taken multiple initial
images of our moon, and yet not even those of any low resolution color
saturated images have materialized, as they otherwise continue with
their necessary setup for each of those final orbit adjustments.
What gives?
~ BG
Painius
news:41edbaa0-588e-42cb...@z6g2000pre.googlegroups.com...
>
> . . .
> You do realize that each and every 19 months is when Venus shows us
> the exact same face. The random orbital happenstance of that kind of
> tidal link ever happening are truly astronomical, unless there was
> some kind of physical encounter.
>
> ~ Brad Guth Brad_Guth Brad.Guth BradGuth BG / “Guth Usenet”
There is every reason to believe that planet Venus is
in the slow process of tidal locking to the Sun. This
would make the 19-month synchronizing with Earth
just a coincidence. This *apparent* (and rather very
weird) form of "tidal locking" between Earth and Venus
will be completely lost as Venus continues to "lock in"
to the Sun.
BradGuth
> "BradGuth" <bradg...@gmail.com> wrote in message...
>
> news:41edbaa0-588e-42cb...@z6g2000pre.googlegroups.com...
>
>
>
> > . . .
> > You do realize that each and every 19 months is when Venus shows us
> > the exact same face. The random orbital happenstance of that kind of
> > tidal link ever happening are truly astronomical, unless there was
> > some kind of physical encounter.
>
> > ~ Brad Guth Brad_Guth Brad.Guth BradGuth BG / “Guth Usenet”
>
> There is every reason to believe that planet Venus is
> in the slow process of tidal locking to the Sun. This
> would make the 19-month synchronizing with Earth
> just a coincidence. This *apparent* (and rather very
> weird) form of "tidal locking" between Earth and Venus
> will be completely lost as Venus continues to "lock in"
> to the Sun.
Why of course, at a few billions upon trillions to one, the odds are
only astronomical of that happening between Earth and Venus that are
so geothermally and atmospherically nothing alike, not to mention
Venus having lost its moon (most likely having lost it to Earth).
All orbiting items are in a slow process of tidal locking. Is that
the "coincidence" of what you're telling us?
~ BG
BradGuth
> On Sun, 09 Nov 2008 19:46:01 GMT, "Painius" <starswirlern...@maol.com>
> wrote:
>
> >Of course you realize, Will, that "Selene" is the name
> >given the Moon by the ancient Greeks?
>
> Guth troll thread.
>
> OM
OM, that's certainly very Zionist/Nazi of yourself, don't you think!
~ BG
BradGuth
Besides their primary monochrome at 5 m/pixel and their color images
at 80 m/pixel, plus several other orbital mission remote science, this
next part should become extremely interesting.
http://www.isro.org/chandrayaan/htmls/mip.htm
Moon Impact Probe (MIP)
The impact probe of 35 kg mass will be attached at the top deck of the
main orbiter and will be released during the final 100 km x 100 km
orbit at a predetermined time to impact at a pre-selected location.
During the descent phase, it is spin-stabilized. The total flying time
from release to impact on Moon is around 25 minutes. The primary
objective is to demonstrate the technologies required for landing the
probe at a desired location on the Moon and to qualify some of the
technologies related to future soft landing missions. Major
Objectives:
· Design, development and demonstration of technologies required for
impacting a probe at the desired location on the Moon.
· Qualify technologies required for future soft landing missions.
· Scientific exploration of the Moon from close range.
Payload Configuration Details: There will be three instruments on the
Moon Impact Probe
· Radar Altimeter – for measurement of altitude of the Moon Impact
Probe and for qualifying technologies for future landing missions. The
operating frequency band is 4.3 GHz ± 100 MHz.
· Video Imaging System – for acquiring images of the surface of the
Moon during the descent at a close range. The video imaging system
consists of analog CCD camera.
· Mass Spectrometer – for measuring the constituents of tenuous
lunar atmosphere during descent. This instrument will be based on a
state-of-the-art, commercially available Quadrupole mass spectrometer
with a mass resolution of 0.5 amu and sensitivities to partial
pressure of the order of 10-14 torr.
Pat Flannery
Painius wrote:
> There is every reason to believe that planet Venus is
> in the slow process of tidal locking to the Sun.
>
Odd, because Mercury - far closer to the sun, and of far lower mass than
Venus - isn't tidally locked to it as far as its axial rotation period goes.
Pat
Painius
news:x8idndTa_Z0fSorU...@posted.northdakotatelephone...
No, not yet, but it almost is. And for many years
astronomers believed that Mercury *was already*
tidal-locked to the Sun!
And now they think that Mercury is locked in a
ratio other than 1:1, when in reality, Mercury's
rotation will continue to slowly be altered, and
perhaps oscillate into retrograde like Venus has.
And then sometime in the future, Mercury will be
as locked to the Sun as planet Selene (the Moon)
is locked to the Earth!
Painius
news:q5afh4l74j8r6372j...@4ax.com...
> On Sun, 09 Nov 2008 19:46:01 GMT, "Painius" <starswi...@maol.com>
> wrote:
>>
>> Of course you realize, Will, that "Selene" is the name
>> given the Moon by the ancient Greeks?
>
> Guth troll thread.
>
> OM
>
>
> ]=====================================[
> ] OMBlog - http://www.io.com/~o_m/omworld [
> ] Let's face it: Sometimes you *need* [
> ] an obnoxious opinion in your day! [
> ]=====================================[
You really shouldn't be so hard on yourself, M!
<g>
BTW, thank you for participating.
Painius
It would have to be likely to happen at some point,
Brad. The "coincidence" is that while Venus is slowly
changing its rotational velocity in an effort to tidal-
lock to the Sun, it just happens to *appear* to lock in
and show *almost* the same face toward Earth every
19 months. I mean, ya gotta ask yerself... What's so
freakin' magical about 19 months?
Pat Flannery
Painius wrote:
>> Odd, because Mercury - far closer to the sun, and of far lower mass than
>> Venus - isn't tidally locked to it as far as its axial rotation period
>> goes.
>>
>> Pat
>>
>
> No, not yet, but it almost is. And for many years
> astronomers believed that Mercury *was already*
> tidal-locked to the Sun!
>
You are missing something here; if Venus is heading toward tidal lock
with the Sun, then Mercury should have done that billions of years ago.
The fact that it hasn't indicates that slight though it is, the
influence on Venus' rotational period due to the gravitational tidal
influence of the Earth/Moon system has modified its rotational period
over billions of years in a classic three body problem with the Moon
thrown in as a fourth body.
This also shows that both Venus and the Earth/Moon system have been
fairly stable orbits for quite some time so that such a resonance could
develop.
> And now they think that Mercury is locked in a
> ratio other than 1:1, when in reality, Mercury's
> rotation will continue to slowly be altered, and
> perhaps oscillate into retrograde like Venus has.
>
How? Unlike a planet, which has slight differences in its mass
disposition around its axis of rotation, the Sun is a gaseous/fluid
object whose center of mass varies point-to-point on a monthly basis,
and is kept pretty much centered by its huge gravity field.
So you don't get consistent tidal effects even out at Mercury's orbit.
The closest analogy to the Sun and its planets would be Jupiter's moon
system, but even with its deep gaseous outer atmosphere, Jupiter does
have a solid core of metallic hydrogen, plus the tidal interactions of
its moons.
Pat
BradGuth
Why 19 months and not 1900 or 500 months or perhaps 5 months or 19
hours?
How many other planets in the universe have that kind of special
relationship to another given planet?
I take it that you'd do rather poorly in Las Vegas.
~ BG
BradGuth
> "Pat Flannery" <flan...@daktel.com> wrote in message
>
> news:x8idndTa_Z0fSorU...@posted.northdakotatelephone...
>
> > Painius wrote:
>
> >> There is every reason to believe that planet Venus is
> >> in the slow process of tidal locking to the Sun.
>
> > Odd, because Mercury - far closer to the sun, and of far lower mass than
> > Venus - isn't tidally locked to it as far as its axial rotation period
> > goes.
>
> > Pat
>
> No, not yet, but it almost is. And for many years
> astronomers believed that Mercury *was already*
> tidal-locked to the Sun!
>
> And now they think that Mercury is locked in a
> ratio other than 1:1, when in reality, Mercury's
> rotation will continue to slowly be altered, and
> perhaps oscillate into retrograde like Venus has.
> And then sometime in the future, Mercury will be
> as locked to the Sun as planet Selene (the Moon)
> is locked to the Earth!
As I said, eventually everything in the universe gets tidal locked to
something. However, in the mean time of the following multi hundred
billions of years, of seeing another planet tidal locking to yet
another planet, and each of which orbiting the same solar mass in
entirely different periods is going to be extremely unlikely, if ever
the case.
~ BG
Painius
>
> Why 19 months and not 1900 or 500 months or perhaps 5 months or 19
> hours?
>
> How many other planets in the universe have that kind of special
> relationship to another given planet?
>
> I take it that you'd do rather poorly in Las Vegas.
>
> ~ BG
Probably.
Earth and Venus are far too far apart and small in size
to have any significant tidal effect on each other. And
yet, even some astronomers agree with you and say
that it just might be some weird kind of tidal-locking.
I say "BUNK". Venus is slowly but surely becoming
tidal locked to the Sun. This and this alone accounts
for its retrograde spin and the coincidental 19-month,
nearly-but-not-quite-synchronous "same face toward
Earth" puzzle.
happy days and...
starry starry nights!
--
Indelibly yours,
Paine Ellsworth
P.S.: "The cause is hidden. The effect is visible to all."
> Ovid
Painius
Your are wise beyond your ears!
happy days and...
starry starry nights!
--
Indelibly yours,
Paine Ellsworth
P.S.: "The cause is hidden. The effect is visible to all."
> Ovid
P.P.S.: http://yummycake.secretsgolden.com
http://garden-of-ebooks.blogspot.com
http://painellsworth.net
Painius
> Painius wrote:
>> Pat surmised...
>>>
>>> Odd, because Mercury - far closer to the sun, and of far lower mass than
>>> Venus - isn't tidally locked to it as far as its axial rotation period
>>> goes.
>>
You may have answered your own question, Pat. With
the Sun's gargantuan mass of gas and plasma, but not
solid matter, the tidal-locking effect takes much longer.
And as oc points out, the tidal-locking may also depend
upon the asymmetry of the elements and compounds
within the surfaces of the planets. Couldn't the Sun's
inconsistent tidal effects produce increased "lumpiness"
of the innards of Mercury and Venus over millions of
millennia?
happy days and...
starry starry nights!
--
Indelibly yours,
Paine Ellsworth
P.S.: "The cause is hidden. The effect is visible to all."
> Ovid
P.P.S.: http://yummycake.secretsgolden.com
http://garden-of-ebooks.blogspot.com
http://painellsworth.net
BradGuth
> "BradGuth" <bradg...@gmail.com> wrote in message...
>
> news:aa983440-8569-4357...@d42g2000prb.googlegroups.com...
>
>
>
> > Why 19 months and not 1900 or 500 months or perhaps 5 months or 19
> > hours?
>
> > How many other planets in the universe have that kind of special
> > relationship to another given planet?
>
> > I take it that you'd do rather poorly in Las Vegas.
>
> > ~ BG
>
> Probably.
>
> Earth and Venus are far too far apart and small in size
> to have any significant tidal effect on each other. And
> yet, even some astronomers agree with you and say
> that it just might be some weird kind of tidal-locking.
>
> I say "BUNK". Venus is slowly but surely becoming
> tidal locked to the Sun. This and this alone accounts
> for its retrograde spin and the coincidental 19-month,
> nearly-but-not-quite-synchronous "same face toward
> Earth" puzzle.
Then forever it's Painius bunk for all it's worth, and otherwise screw
the regular laws of physics and banish or exclude best available
science until hell freezes over. Sounds very faith-based republican
status quo of yourself, but what do I know.
~ BG
BradGuth
> "BradGuth" <bradg...@gmail.com> wrote in message...
And I have somewhat funny ears, along with less hair for covering them
up. At least I do not have tunnel hearing or any related miswired
functionality to deal with.
~ BG
BradGuth
> "Pat Flannery" <flan...@daktel.com> wrote in message
The innards of Venus could be as great as 99.5% fluid.
The innards of Earth are being kept at least 98.5% fluid to the very
iron or thorium core that's likely fluid, and being continually
modulated by the 2e20 N/s related to our Selene/moon (binary
planetoid) that's big, massive and rather nearby as it zooms around
us.
~ BG
Painius
> On Nov 10, 9:09 am, "Painius" <starswirlern...@maol.com> wrote:
>> "BradGuth" <bradg...@gmail.com> wrote in message...
>> news:aa983440-8569-4357...@d42g2000prb.googlegroups.com...
>> >
>> > Why 19 months and not 1900 or 500 months or perhaps 5 months or 19
>> > hours?
>>
>> > How many other planets in the universe have that kind of special
>> > relationship to another given planet?
>>
>> > I take it that you'd do rather poorly in Las Vegas.
>>
>>
>> Earth and Venus are far too far apart and small in size
>> to have any significant tidal effect on each other. And
>> yet, even some astronomers agree with you and say
>> that it just might be some weird kind of tidal-locking.
>>
>> I say "BUNK". Venus is slowly but surely becoming
>> tidal locked to the Sun. This and this alone accounts
>> for its retrograde spin and the coincidental 19-month,
>> nearly-but-not-quite-synchronous "same face toward
>> Earth" puzzle.
>
> Then forever it's Painius bunk for all it's worth, and otherwise screw
> the regular laws of physics and banish or exclude best available
> science until hell freezes over. Sounds very faith-based republican
> status quo of yourself, but what do I know.
>
> ~ BG
There's a sad ring of truth to what you say, Brad.
Until Solar System astronomers study the rotation
rates of planets Venus and Mercury more closely
to see if the rates are slowly changing, then the
idea of their tidal-locking to the Sun will remain
conjecture subject to skepticism.
BradGuth
Too bad we still do not have a Selene/moon L1 or even a Venus L2
platform of instruments. Perhaps China or India will fix that.
Meanwhile, we should be outsourcing as much as possible because, we're
running ourselves out of time and resources, and it seems we never did
have "the right stuff" worth of necessary fly-by-rocket talent to
start with.
Perhaps the "one way mission to our moon" isn't all that daunting or
as lethal as some of us might care to think (myself included).
Too bad the JAXA/Selene mission has gotten so downright pathetic and
moderated to death.
How much is our DARPA and NASA going to have to moderate over the ISRO
CHANDRAYAAN mission(s)?
~ BG