Compare these charts for Monday mid dayish:
http://www.bom.gov.au/australia/charts/viewer/index.shtml?type=mslp-p...
It looks very interesting
Compare with the North Atlantic:
http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/weather/uk/surface_pressure.html

Lots of long fronts on the MetO one
Lots of quakes on both

Not many large ones on here since the Celebes one:

http://earthquake.usgs.gov/earthquakes/recenteqsww/Quakes/quakes_all.php

On Oct 20, 1:07 am, Weatherlawyer <weatherlaw...@gmail.com> wrote:

Three strikes and you are out:
http://www.weatheroffice.gc.ca/ensemble/naefs/cartes_e.html
= Biggish quake.

Three Low pressure points = large earthquakes, as far as I know.

Lots of not very large earthquakes for a day or two means a large
earthquake and a tropical storm.
(That I do know!)

Other signs are when the weather finally rights itself to the demands
of the lunar phase and yet the meteorological models run on those
superduperconstupers can't seem to get their act together.

So how am I doing so far?

On Oct 20, 7:14 pm, Weatherlawyer <weatherlaw...@gmail.com> wrote:

Not too bad Mike, though you are still talking to yourself.
Still, in times like these, it is always good to have someone who
knows what he's talking about to advise you.

You are at least consulting with a peer (peerless though you are.)

The centre of the planet's surface is actually displaced some 20 or 30
degrees to the west of the point you gave it earlier.
None the less, this is still the one you were expecting:
2012/10/20 @ 23:00

6.2 M.  13.6 S. 166.6 E. and at a depth that puts it firmly in the
insubstantial, classically elastic: 35.6 kilometers...

VANUATU.

So you are not wrong kid, just temporarily inexact.

Points to note:
1. The displacement of the geoid and its affect is not your problem.
Leave it to the countless minions who will have to follow you.
Maybe they will have a spare supercomputer to play with one day and
actually put it to some use.

Fat chance but then, they used to say predicting earthquakes was
impossible.

2. Seismology is virtually a dead science; one of the last of the dark-
age of dinosaurs. Britain has just congealed its lacklustre Met Office
with something similar from the University of Lost Angles in order to
replace that sibboleth with something even more stupid.

Try to not get involved. Let's just hope they don't stop producing the
North Atlantic charts, eh?

You're right Mickey. Let's hope that doesn't happen.

3. Lastly. The earthquake was mitigated by the acoustic waves in North
America being accompanied by a pair of anticyclones altogether
bracketing the three in a manner that was totally absent from the last
super-quake.

I saw that too.

Yes but you forgot to mention it, didn't you.

But I already knew that.

None the less nobody got told in advance.

Don't be silly Mike, we've been telling them things for years and they
haven't ever takes a blind bit of notice. What makes you think they
are going to start now?

I don't.
But since you have cleared the dross from s.g.e.; maybe it's time you
took a long slow aim at some of the dick-heads in uk.sci.weather.

Tell them I'm coming for them, sort of thing.

Yes. But don't go bragging about it until you've eaten the big ones.

If there's any left by the time I get it done.

Patience; Mike.
You did OK with the fools from sci.geo who used to think they could
play with you. Where are they now?

Yes I see.
Nice one. Can we go and have some fun now?

I just poked my head out the front door.
There is a storm brewing:
No fog.
No cold.
No more nice weather after today for a spell.

Not a lot of elongation on here:

http://www.bom.gov.au/australia/charts/viewer/index.shtml?type=mslp-p...

quite a few Mag 5's but not particularly stormy until the two quake
series showing at 80 and 140east give up their souls in them.

It looks like it will be a TD on Tuesdays then a ...
Then what I may be mistaking for a bunch of not very powerful tropical
storms. Maybe several TDs?

What is happening on Friday afternnon I wonder because it will get
explosive after then.
Must be the next phase:
OOPS!

New phase:
22nd October 2012, at 03:32:

http://eclipse.gsfc.nasa.gov/phase/phase2001gmt.html

Thundery~ish ...could be some late North Atlantic ones or maybe East
Pacific.
And the models will have to be re-run to give more precision; which
will take them a while as they don't pull their fingers out until
later, 2... or for later. -a la belle Thatcher.

Funny how that bitch also affects the colonies after all these years.
Mind you, the Antipodesians are very susceptible to pressure from
abroad. (If you could call the bitch a broad.)

On Oct 22, 8:08 am, Weatherlawyer <weatherlaw...@gmail.com> wrote:

We don't get any tropical storms when a blocked High forms in the
waters off Britain. There has to be a Low there as a component of the
planet's overall acoustics.

As of today (22 October 2012) http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/weather/uk/surface_pressure.html
doesn't show a well formed Low here. The model run only goes to
Thursday 25th does it look to you like there is one developing there?

Well yes. A bit.

OK then, we will stick with that shall we?

On Oct 22, 8:08 am, Weatherlawyer <weatherlaw...@gmail.com> wrote:

Dropped the dime, right on time:
AL18 and it's one of mine.
http://www.tropicalstormrisk.com/

On Oct 22, 8:29 pm, Weatherlawyer <weatherlaw...@gmail.com> wrote:

then there ia 19 and 24
Pretty sure all three Mag sixes are related to each one by birth:

24th
6.6      M.  00:45       COSTA RICA

23rd
5.1      M.  18:00       EASTERN NEW GUINEA REG,
5.1      M.  10:45       ANTOFAGASTA, CHILE
6        M.  09:39       SOUTHEAST OF THE LOYALTY ISLANDS
5.2      M.  09:33       WEST OF MACQUARIE ISLAND
5.9      M.  08:53       IZU ISLANDS, JAPAN REGION

22nd
5.1      M.  14:46       MICRONESIA
5.2      M.  09:56       SOUTH SANDWICH ISLANDS REGION

21st
5        M.  20:44       OFFSHORE EL SALVADOR
5.5      M.  20:28       OFFSHORE EL SALVADOR
5.1      M.  11:57       SAKHALIN, RUSSIA
5.3      M.  06:55       CENTRAL CALIFORNIA
5.7      M.  01:25       ICELAND REGION

20th
6.2      M.  23:00       VANUATU

Probably the rest are related by lore.
Fancy that...  in-lores.

Another pair to match trhe El Salvadore ones is showing on the North
Atlantic.

But I am too tired to look.
Ah blow it:

http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/weather/uk/surface_pressure.html

Wednesday midnight -so that M6 in Costa Rica could have a sister.
An intense Low arrives off Norway at t + 72 (Thursday/Friday night.)

So that will be a Cat 3 or more.
It's coming fast so it won't last. (or not, as the case may be but
bith pages show it clearly:

http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/public/weather/surface-pressure/)

was there a blip on your system for relationships between

https://www.google.com/search?hl=en&gl=us&tbm=nws&q=earthquake+costa+...

and the current storm SANDY now seen on GOES leaving the area for Jamaica  ?????

peoplewise we have a flow of shootings west to east with EQ effects and a shark apopnia in the right place.

SSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS

weather maker ? was Bali Hi here for several days....kinockout winter wx....a flow of birds and snowbirds down fom the vast frigid wastelands north of here...a great relief...spririts up

an interesting physological effect...we stay in earshot of 2 routes to and from deposit areas of condos and trailers undozed. The weather was humid and hot while wastelands to the north began cooling.

snowboids and opportunists arrive early. A din of ambulance sounds coming and going...oldsters suffering heartattacks or similar with sudden injection/jet lag into the heat...then Bali Hi coolness and breeze pre SANDY and the sirens STOP...tranquilo !

On Oct 24, 4:57 am, datak...@yahoo.com wrote:

I have an idea what you are talking about but it involves second
guessing someone whose grasp of reality is for the birds.

You enjoyed nice weather?
So?

Your mileage will vary; even the experiences in Britain show that is
not "just" likely.

In Britain there is a three phase pulse that affects tides around the
coast. Such that while the water under the exact same moon produces
water levels as much as 30 feet above sea level in three major ports,
three major ports are experiencing water levels 30 feet below seas
level.

Said ports alternating with one another, interlaced around the
mainland. 12 1/2 hours later the situation is equal but opposite.

Is it any wonder that there is going to be disagreement?

All the more so when the idiots at weather stations accept averages
nationwide rather than concentrating at the tendencies for their
individual stations; this whilst the owners or managers at the
stations are among the most observant weather observers on the planet?

As for your associated metaphysical phenomena the same stions
periodically experience unusual spikes in their data, this does not
just go unreported but the general rule for dealing with the
dysfunction is not to record it.

Instead the manager of the site is supposed to guess at the average
and perhaps make a note in the margin. Imagine if these things were co-
ordinated.

Well not you.
You have already runs so far with your imagination, the spacecraft you
fell out of has given up looking for you.

On Oct 24, 2:48 am, Weatherlawyer <weatherlaw...@gmail.com> wrote:

About the middle of October and certainly for a couple of weeks in
November almost every year as far as I can recall, there is a murky
spell like the one we are enjoying at the moment.

But I can't recall what happens afterwards. A severe quake IIRC which
I am by no means certain of. Maybe a nice explosive venting?
That would do for me.

We haven't had a major phreatic event for a while.
Have we?

I was working on a patch of high ground in the area a place called
Fenpark. A long time ago on a good day the loacls there sy that you
could see the cranes of Liverpool docs from the vantage point.

You can certainly see for miles at the very top of the place.

Anyway it struck me that the dull overcast that we are "enjoying" here
at the moment is a very cold wind just overhead.

It makes itself visible as striations in the cloud that may not
generally be noticeable as it is so thick and at such a low level. But
the lines are there, if you have strongly rotating optical glasses (I
imagine that would be an high number for polarised sunglasses -no real
idea)  such polarity is more easily seen.

I think this is probably the Faraday effect by which birds foresee
coming weather fronts (When all species perch facing the same way in
very changeable weather they are looking at these striations.)

***
In physics, the Faraday effect or Faraday rotation is a Magneto-
optical phenomenon, an interaction between light and a magnetic field.
The Faraday effect causes a rotation of the plane of polarization
linearly proportional to the component of the magnetic field in the
direction of propagation.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faraday_effect

I suppose indirectly and possibly directly it may be responsible for
the green "electric" sheen that appears in thunderclouds when such a
front is approaching. The green is very similar to the hue produced in
a rainbow.

I can't remember the colour produced by approaching snow clouds. I
don't think it is that same blue that appears in rainbows though. It
reminds me more of the colour of blue icing.

I wonder if it is anything to do with the solar phenomenon called a
"green flash". I never liked the idea that those striations that
appear in the solar atmosphere is "magnetism"; heavily magnitised
particulate separating like iron filings over a bar magnet. However, I
am open to compromise.

(Just so long as I don't have to go along with any foolishness about
fusion.)

Green flashes are most likely seen just at sunset or sunrise at or
near the time of the lunar phase, during blocking anticyclones IIRC.
It's been ages since I even looked for one.

If you really want to try for them you might invest in the material
required to prepare a FitzRoy Storm Glass. They are those good days
for crystals (and cheesemaking.)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Storm_glass

On Oct 25, 3:19 am, Weatherlawyer <weatherlaw...@gmail.com> wrote:

Plasmonic metamaterial exhibits nonlinear optical activity 30 million
times stronger than lithium iodate crystals, transforming this
fundamental phenomenon of polarization nonlinear optics from an
esoteric phenomenon into a major effect of nonlinear plasmonics.

(Never liked Coriolis Effect too neither.)

In dissipative media optical activity manifests itself as circular
birefringence, leading to polarization rotation, and circular
dichroism, i.e. differential transmission of circularly polarized
waves.

These yield a change of the degree of ellipticity of the propagating
wave. In contrast to the Faraday effect, which causes polarization
rotation in the presence of static magnetic fields, polarization
rotation due to natural optical activity does not distinguish between
opposite directions of wave propagation.

http://www.orc.soton.ac.uk/publications/54xx/5449.pdf

On Oct 25, 4:02 am, Weatherlawyer <weatherlaw...@gmail.com> wrote:

I have no problem with the idea that sunspots may affect the weather
though:

Radio waves passing through the Earth's ionosphere are likewise
subject to the Faraday effect. The ionosphere consists of a plasma
containing free electrons which contribute to Faraday rotation
according to the above equation, whereas the positive ions are
relatively massive and have little influence. In conjunction with the
earth's magnetic field, rotation of the polarization of radio waves
thus occurs. Since the density of electrons in the ionosphere varies
greatly on a daily basis, as well as over the sunspot cycle, the
magnitude of the effect varies.

From the Wikipedia source linked to in an earlier post.

That's it bird-man. You are back on your own again.
Tata.

well, I wanted to give you an opportunity to expand on 'good weather' from your notes relating to SANDY the storm and Costa Rico quaking.

SANDY'S going by us now...no rain today, yesterday a qonderful spate of tropical storm columnars, small drops....hissssssss...2030 minutes duration then sunshine.

I kayaked before 2 hurricanes out of Flamingo/Florida Bay. Wonderful kayak weather. Columnars closely spaced towering up into a deep franch blue sky...whiteouts hissssssing onto the water around me and a great tailwind back to port.

There are 3 birds now offspring of the main bird. Birdy stayed with me last 2 days on the low 1 story eaves where I'm into equipment maintenance back from the field.

Factors producing the advanced post quake post change doppler learning phenomena I'm describing are optimal. Birdy responded with several language insights. The bird is on hos own here and i wait pateintly for a new burst.

This morning it was ID of snake...the green rubber hose at the boat wash station. The van is getting a polish and wax. Cloudy. Our winter weather is one long blast of UV from the Bermuda High effects.

He whistles ground....displeasure....movement....ground. Crows get displeasure whistles. Again post EQ flow, during our recent monsoon, he faced the 233th oncoming squall atop a wire, hunkered and bristled at the clouds hisssing the downward pitched zzzziiiiiccccck.

I snaked the hose then whistled question/positive

Birdy replied ground displeasure movement with a postive whistle for and aft.

ahhhh but at the eave this afternoon...he looked at he sky...we were discussing sky dark wind for the last 36 hr...several times he leads into the USAF 'up wego into the ...' where then I whistle the entire jig..

He looked into the sky, whistled sky dark violent aggressive with a wing flutter ...

amazing Birdy.

We have crows, down from Georgia I hear and way down from west nile virus and the loss of the greater Gulf Flyway from development. The february bird count went from 120-130 to 35. Bummmer. The crowd once roosted across the street in an ex tomato field now RV park. And Crows are disoriented somehow missing their usual crowmute oberhead to land around me maybe 500.

The Faraday with the storm is more pond ripples lining clouds up in long lines as the strom swirls outward from the ATL.

In 25 words or more tell me why Farady is relevant to the weather observation in Costa Rico ?

On Oct 26, 12:00 am, datak...@yahoo.com wrote:

Your cracked brain writing style went whistling past me as usual and I
missed every attempt at communication you made except that I saw your
post. (Not something that happens regularly.)

Even then I usually hate to get involved.
(Which IS something that happens regularly.)

I don't know that it is Faraday effect. I had always assumed the
colours showing through dark clouds prior to storms were merely "above
cloud rainbow" colours coming through.

Except of course they can't.
Cloud will block light penetration in a very few feet compared to
water which will permit it for hundreds of feet if the layer is
homogenous. And storm clouds are notorious for their thickness and
inhomogeniety.

When a large mass of air disposes of water content, it does so
instantly and the energy displaced has to get out of the way PDQ. As
heat, it can't get past the insulation except to cause expansion and
pressure changes. So the column has to rise until the physics finds a
way of dispersing the energy away from the column.

The reason any planet has a tropopause is that there is a limit to how
high wet air can rise. At the tropopause the water is instantly
removed, regardless of the cost.

This is the place where adiabatics fails.

This physics occurs with ALL precipitation, be it cloud or hail, frost
or rain. The energy produced usually disperses harmlessly as "within
cloud electrical charge".

When the amount is great enough, the dispersal finds a common earth.
This can be a lightning bolt; where electrical charge being produced
through the cloud finds a common route to neutrality.
Sometimes the discharge is from one part of a cloud to another.

In ALL of it a Faraday effect will occur if the sweeping folds of
induced charge flies in a regular direction.

The striation of a large cloud are folds where pressure layers and
eddies occur as a lenticular effect is induced by miles of
topography.

A large low cloud hugs the ground, running parallel to the hills and
valleys to some extent. (The cloud forming thicker or thinner layers
as the wind eases or increases.)

The rest is just guesswork.

What Costa Rico quaking?
I haven't been following any of these storms. It was enough for me to
predict them. It is of no concern to me what they do or where they go.

Ditto the places earthquakes strike.

Once I resolved the problem I lost interest.
I tend to forget stuff when I am looking for new stuff. All the
refinements of diligent studies will have to come from someone else.
Most of it, once I learn it, become uninteresting.

I aught to write a book but I don't have the concentration required.
Today I am looking at what I said would occur for Friday in my first
posts.

Bear in mind it was all based on model runs which are not designed to
cater for earthquakes and aren't even ameliorated for storms not
considered to be in the path or pattern.

Once this Friday event transpires (if it hasn't already occurred with
the move to a Cat 3 on Thursday (I did say that times would be inexact
to an extent.)) I will be looking at something called
Elongation.

And fractals.

If god wills it you will hear about that from me first. And it will
all be lost to the wind as a lone voice crying in the wilderness. (But
I will give it all up if I have to eat locusts, to do it. Your birds
can have all the damned locusts they want.)

On Oct 22, 8:08 am, Weatherlawyer <weatherlaw...@gmail.com> wrote:

Wrong. On today's North Atlantic:

http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/weather/uk/surface_pressure.html
There is an high developing (right on time.) That BOM chart should
receive a lot more attention as it deserves a lot more respect

Also the Canadian chart:

http://www.weatheroffice.gc.ca/ensemble/naefs/cartes_e.html

Is showing three in a row. (Lows centred in the Pacific off the Gulf
of Alaska, over Hudson's Bay and east of Newfoundland.)

They mark a severe quake and the dissipation of any tropical storms.

2012/10/24 @ 00:45

6.5 M. COSTA RICA

That's between the following times when tony changed state:

10/23/21Z   30  1005 TROPICAL DEPRESSION
10/24/03Z   35  1004 TROPICAL STORM

Sandy was still just a storm:
10/23/21Z   45   993 TROPICAL STORM
10/24/00Z   45   993 TROPICAL STORM
10/24/03Z   50   989 TROPICAL STORM

SON_TINH:

10/23/18Z   30     - TROPICAL DEPRESSION
10/24/00Z   35     - TROPICAL STORM

Nothing before:10/24/12Z   35     - TROPICAL STORM for Murjan and
that's all I have to say about that quake.

This one could be the more interesting one:

2012/10/26
4.5 M. FIJI REGION
Unless we have a 5M or larger at Tuvalu before noon.

The above series ran:
Fiji/Costa Rica/5.3 M Fiji on the 25th

On Oct 20, 6:14 pm, Weatherlawyer <weatherlaw...@gmail.com> wrote:

I really ought to pay more attention to that site.
(If anyone wants to check my findings, the charts go back nearly 4
weeks. I dare say the same chart is available on US archives and may
go back to the time they started making them. I have no idea what to
look for though.)

Only 12 Quakes of 6 or over in the last 30 days.
I wish I could claim the last big one but I wasn't even looking

30th. Oct 6.2 M. @ 02:49 188km S of Masset, Canada

28th. Oct 6.3 M. @ 18:54 159km SSW of Masset, Canada

28th. Oct 7.7 M. @ 03:04 139km S of Masset, Canada

24th. Oct 6.5 M. @ 00:45 13km ENE of Hojancha, Costa Rica

23rd. Oct 6 M. @ 09:39 39km WNW of Ile Hunter, New Caledonia

20th. Oct 6.2 M. @ 23:00 112km WNW of Sola, Vanuatu

17th. Oct 6 M. @ 04:42 166km SW of Sarangani, Philippines

12th. Oct 6.6 M. @ 00:31 98km NNW of Dobo, Indonesia

9th. Oct 6.6 M. @ 12:32 Balleny Islands region

8th. Oct 6.1 M. @ 11:43 112km SSE of Saparua, Indonesia

1st. Oct 6.1 M. @ 22:21 100km ENE of Miyako, Japan

30th. Sept 7.3 M. @ 16:31 11km WNW of San Agustin, Colombia

http://earthquake.usgs.gov/earthquakes/map/#data:eyJyZXFjb25maWciOnsi...

That site holds 30 days data with a massive range available. Anything
less than 4 is almost undetectable internationally. (It might make it
to some of the machines but will probably be ignored unless local.)

On Oct 22, 7:08 am, Weatherlawyer <weatherlaw...@gmail.com> wrote:

That annoying High was inexplicable though.
I really got that wrong about there being no tropical storms with a
sea level anticyclone.

OTOH it is an unusual storm.
Not a lot of use there, that.

I'll get the charts organised and a link posted shortly.

On the BOM Antarctic charts:

(Very interesting at the moment by the way if anyone wants to know
more check out the earthquake group on the cross post.)

So I got that bit right~ish.
And...
Friday was the 26th, so 2 days notice (going on 6 if you count the
above.)

Sandy doesn't look all that impressive going by the satellite images:

Granted, a small island whose buildings reach into the clouds could
suffer terribly due to about 10 or 20 parts per million more molecules
of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere than they were expecting when they
built them....

Here's what really happened (without the quintessential Uestani hype)

Date: 22-29 OCT 2012
Hurricane-2 SANDY
Advisory number Latitude  Longitude Time Knots Pressure  Category

  1  13.50  -78.00 10/22/15Z   25  1003 TROPICAL DEPRESSION
 1A  13.50  -78.50 10/22/18Z   25  1003 TROPICAL DEPRESSION
  2  12.50  -78.50 10/22/21Z   35   999 TROPICAL STORM
 2A  12.70  -78.70 10/23/00Z   40   998 TROPICAL STORM
  3  12.70  -78.60 10/23/03Z   40   998 TROPICAL STORM
 3A  12.90  -78.70 10/23/06Z   40   998 TROPICAL STORM
  4  13.30  -78.60 10/23/09Z   40   998 TROPICAL STORM
 4A  13.40  -77.90 10/23/12Z   40   997 TROPICAL STORM
  5  13.80  -77.80 10/23/15Z   45   993 TROPICAL STORM
 5A  14.10  -77.60 10/23/18Z   45   993 TROPICAL STORM
  6  14.30  -77.60 10/23/21Z   45   993 TROPICAL STORM
 6A  14.80  -77.50 10/24/00Z   45   993 TROPICAL STORM
  7  15.20  -77.20 10/24/03Z   50   989 TROPICAL STORM
 7A  15.70  -77.10 10/24/06Z   55   988 TROPICAL STORM
  8  16.30  -77.00 10/24/09Z   60   986 TROPICAL STORM
 8A  16.60  -76.90 10/24/12Z   60   983 TROPICAL STORM
  9  17.10  -76.70 10/24/15Z   70   973 HURRICANE-1
 9A  17.60  -76.80 10/24/18Z   70   973 HURRICANE-1
 10  18.30  -76.60 10/24/21Z   70   970 HURRICANE-1
10A  18.70  -76.40 10/25/00Z   75   968 HURRICANE-1
 11  19.40  -76.30 10/25/03Z   80   954 HURRICANE-1
11A  20.10  -75.90 10/25/06Z   95   957 HURRICANE-2
 12  20.90  -75.80 10/25/09Z   90   960 HURRICANE-2
12A  21.60  -75.50 10/25/12Z   90   967 HURRICANE-2
 13  22.40  -75.50 10/25/15Z   90   964 HURRICANE-2
13A  23.50  -75.40 10/25/18Z   90   963 HURRICANE-2
 14  24.50  -75.60 10/25/21Z   90   963 HURRICANE-2
14A  24.80  -75.80 10/26/00Z   85   965 HURRICANE-2
 15  25.30  -76.10 10/26/03Z   80   968 HURRICANE-1
15A  25.80  -76.50 10/26/06Z   75   968 HURRICANE-1
 16  26.30  -76.90 10/26/09Z   70   968 HURRICANE-1
16A  26.40  -76.90 10/26/12Z   70   970 HURRICANE-1
 17  26.70  -76.90 10/26/15Z   70   970 HURRICANE-1
17A  27.10  -77.10 10/26/18Z   65   971 HURRICANE-1
 18  27.30  -77.10 10/26/21Z   65   971 HURRICANE-1
18A  27.50  -77.20 10/27/00Z   65   970 HURRICANE-1
 19  27.70  -77.10 10/27/03Z   65   969 HURRICANE-1
19A  28.10  -76.90 10/27/06Z   65   969 HURRICANE-1
 20  28.60  -76.70 10/27/09Z   60   969 TROPICAL STORM <<<This was
interesting.>
20A  28.80  -76.80 10/27/12Z   65   960 HURRICANE-1
 21  29.00  -76.00 10/27/15Z   65   958 HURRICANE-1
21A  29.70  -75.60 10/27/18Z   65   961 HURRICANE-1
 22  30.20  -75.20 10/27/21Z   65   961 HURRICANE-1
22A  30.50  -74.70 10/28/00Z   65   961 HURRICANE-1
 23  30.90  -74.30 10/28/03Z   65   960 HURRICANE-1
23A  31.50  -73.70 10/28/06Z   65   960 HURRICANE-1
 24  31.90  -73.30 10/28/09Z   65   960 HURRICANE-1
24A  32.10  -73.10 10/28/12Z   65   951 HURRICANE-1
 25  32.50  -72.60 10/28/15Z   65   951 HURRICANE-1
25A  32.80  -71.90 10/28/18Z   65   951 HURRICANE-1
 26  33.40  -71.30 10/28/21Z   65   952 HURRICANE-1
26A  34.00  -70.90 10/29/00Z   65   950 HURRICANE-1
 27  34.50  -70.50 10/29/03Z   65   950 HURRICANE-1
27A  35.20  -70.50 10/29/06Z   65   950 HURRICANE-1
 28  35.90  -70.50 10/29/09Z   75   946 HURRICANE-1
28A  36.80  -71.10 10/29/12Z   75   946 HURRICANE-1
 29  37.50  -71.50 10/29/15Z   80   943 HURRICANE-1
29A  38.30  -73.10 10/29/18Z   80   940 HURRICANE-1
 30  38.80  -74.40 10/29/21Z   80   940 HURRICANE-1

With these forecasts at the time of writing:

+12  39.80  -76.60 10/30/06Z   65     - HURRICANE-1
+24  40.40  -78.30 10/30/18Z   50     - TROPICAL STORM
+36  41.30  -78.20 10/31/06Z   40     - TROPICAL STORM
+48  42.80  -77.50 10/31/18Z   30     - TROPICAL DEPRESSION
+72  45.10  -75.50 11/01/18Z   30     - TROPICAL DEPRESSION
+96  46.30  -72.20 11/02/18Z   25     - TROPICAL DEPRESSION
+120  47.50  -65.50 11/03/18Z   20     - TROPICAL DEPRESSION

It's unthinkable the original Bounty would have been lost in a mere
Cat 1 in the middle of the ocean of all places. We just don't grow the
sailors, or make the sailers that we used to.

Maybe I am being a little ungenerous, they didn't have William Bligh
and they did manage to hold the fort through some 95 knot stuff for a
few days.

"For long voyages, it took on volunteer crew, those volunteers are
adventure seekers who treat the trip as a holiday. On 29 October 2012,
sixteen members of the Bounty abandoned ship off the coast of North
Carolina after getting caught in the high seas brought on by Hurricane
Sandy."

No apologies for posting to the group sci.military.naval -even though
most of the regulars there would have been turned into men PDQ had we
the resources available to the RN in the good old days.

(Some of them probably think it is called sci.military.navel, the
morons.)

Il 30/10/2012 13:34, Weatherlawyer ha scritto:

[snippone]

for the Divine's sake, you want to renounce permanently to vacations in
one of the most beautiful and pleasant corner of the world ???

best regards from Italy,
dott. Piergiorgio.

On Tue, 30 Oct 2012 05:34:24 -0700 (PDT), Weatherlawyer

Or just possibly we don't man them like we used to.

Bligh's Bounty had a crew of 44...

This ship had 16...

And it was old...

The ship that has just sunk was some 50 years old,  Bligh's original
was about three years old on acquisition.  Fifty years is about the
life of a wooden warship unless you take some pretty extreme measures
such as have been taken with Victory and Constitution.

On Oct 30, 2:24 pm, "dott.Piergiorgio" <chiedet...@ask.me> wrote:

I never said it was their fault.
But you have to admit, it is full of wierdoes.

Ah, they voted for a Chimpanzee who lost one of their great cities for
them and created a couple of NeoVietNams.

Your lot just sentenced a seismologist to gaol for being as pig
ignorant as a chimpanzee. When the Indonesians did more or less the
same thing 10 years prior to the world's worst tidal wave since Noah
got sealed, it did for half a million people.

In a world where no-one has the right answers and everyone has all the
wrong politicians, there is always going to be sci.military.naval.

Il 31/10/2012 00:16, Weatherlawyer ha scritto:

seems that you're aware also of the extremely serious structural
weakness on the new buildings.... and yes, I concur that are destined to
the same fate of the strategic hamlets (and if not dismantled quickly, a
security issue, for obvious reasons)

Best regards from Italy,
dott. Piergiorgio.

Il 30/10/2012 15:25, Bill ha scritto:

In the Victory and Constituituion's cases, a great deal of the merit is
to the Original Hackers, that is, the shipwrights @ Portsmouth and
Boston DY respectively. and for the Victory, also, the unusual seasoning
of the timber.

Best regards from Italy,
dott. Piergiorgio.

In article <iW9ks.2312$5b....@tornado.fastwebnet.it>, chiedet...@ask.me
says...
From the USS Constitution museum site:

The Naval History and Heritage Command Detachment Boston, the unit
charged with overseeing Constitution?s maintenance and repair, estimates
that 10 to 15 percent of the ship?s fabric is composed of timber
installed between 1795 and 1797. This ?original? wood includes the
ship?s keel, lower futtocks, and the deadwood at the stem and stern.

In other words, 85% of the timbers in the Constitution have been
replaced at one rebuild or another.  The replaced parts seem to
include almost all the planking, ribs, and decks.

HMS Victory is also only about 15% original timbers.

Mark Borgerson

On Oct 31, 10:14 pm, Mark Borgerson <mborger...@comcast.net> wrote:

Less since the Duke of Edinburgh Bogied a fag end on her during a
visit a while back.