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Brian
Jan 20, 2012, 7:02:57 PM1/20/12
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I'd be interested to know what people think should be done during a major
earthquake.
In the past we were taught to get under a door frame but now we are told
that the door frame is not a safe place.
Some say get under a table but what if there are no tables or no room under
a table.
There has been no information on TV on whats the best thing to do to
protect yourself during an earthquake.
--
Regards Brian
earthquake.
In the past we were taught to get under a door frame but now we are told
that the door frame is not a safe place.
Some say get under a table but what if there are no tables or no room under
a table.
There has been no information on TV on whats the best thing to do to
protect yourself during an earthquake.
--
Regards Brian
charles
Jan 20, 2012, 7:56:47 PM1/20/12
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Skywise
Jan 20, 2012, 11:42:46 PM1/20/12
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Brian <bcl...@es.co.nz> wrote in
news:107821638348794677.4...@free.teranews.com:
> I'd be interested to know what people think should be done during a
> major earthquake.
> In the past we were taught to get under a door frame but now we are told
> that the door frame is not a safe place.
The reasoning is that the door can swing and injure you, possibly
by slamming your fingers. Although, if you are aware enough to grab
the door and hold it, that elliminates that problem.
> Some say get under a table but what if there are no tables or no room
> under a table.
Get next to the table, or other heavy object. Avoid things like
bookcases and shelves which can tip. Many injuries are cuased by
falling objects.
There is something known as the 'triangle of life'. Sometimes, getting
under the desk or table is not a good idea, as it can collapse when
something falls on it, like the ceiling. However, if you are next to
it, the collapsed desk will still hold up the debris and make a pocket
next to it. This is where you want to be.
A specific example. Imagine being in your car stopped under a bridge
when the quake hits. If you stay in the car, you'll be crushed in it
when the bridge falls. But if you lay next to the car (away from tires),
the car may crush to 18-24 inches, but that leaves you a space where
you may possibly survive.
When buldings collapsed in Mexico City in 1985(?), rescuers were able
to crawl through the rubble in the voids left NEXT to desks.
The best thing to do is to plan ahead. In all the places you frequent
you should think "if a quake hits now, what is the safest place to be?"
Do this for your workplace, each room in the house, other places you
frequent, your driving route. Look at the each area and imagine what
things would fall, tip, etc... stay away from shelves, windows, mirrors,
items hanging from the ceiling, etc...
Think about it when you have the time to think about it. Then, when the
quake does hit, you'll already know where to go. The most important part
of preparing for any disaster is planning ahead in your mind.
If you already have an idea what to do, you won't be prone to panicking,
and will make a rasher decision in the few seconds you have to decide.
And all quakes that last more than a few seconds should be treated as
if they're the BIG ONE, cuz you don't know how big it will get, and if
you wait to find out, it may be too late. Once the ground get's really
moving it's very difficult to move to safety. Let people laugh, then
educate them.
I've experienced four major quakes in the LA area.
Brian
--
http://www.skywise711.com - Lasers, Seismology, Astronomy, Skepticism
Sed quis custodiet ipsos Custodes?
news:107821638348794677.4...@free.teranews.com:
> I'd be interested to know what people think should be done during a
> major earthquake.
> In the past we were taught to get under a door frame but now we are told
> that the door frame is not a safe place.
by slamming your fingers. Although, if you are aware enough to grab
the door and hold it, that elliminates that problem.
> Some say get under a table but what if there are no tables or no room
> under a table.
bookcases and shelves which can tip. Many injuries are cuased by
falling objects.
There is something known as the 'triangle of life'. Sometimes, getting
under the desk or table is not a good idea, as it can collapse when
something falls on it, like the ceiling. However, if you are next to
it, the collapsed desk will still hold up the debris and make a pocket
next to it. This is where you want to be.
A specific example. Imagine being in your car stopped under a bridge
when the quake hits. If you stay in the car, you'll be crushed in it
when the bridge falls. But if you lay next to the car (away from tires),
the car may crush to 18-24 inches, but that leaves you a space where
you may possibly survive.
When buldings collapsed in Mexico City in 1985(?), rescuers were able
to crawl through the rubble in the voids left NEXT to desks.
The best thing to do is to plan ahead. In all the places you frequent
you should think "if a quake hits now, what is the safest place to be?"
Do this for your workplace, each room in the house, other places you
frequent, your driving route. Look at the each area and imagine what
things would fall, tip, etc... stay away from shelves, windows, mirrors,
items hanging from the ceiling, etc...
Think about it when you have the time to think about it. Then, when the
quake does hit, you'll already know where to go. The most important part
of preparing for any disaster is planning ahead in your mind.
If you already have an idea what to do, you won't be prone to panicking,
and will make a rasher decision in the few seconds you have to decide.
And all quakes that last more than a few seconds should be treated as
if they're the BIG ONE, cuz you don't know how big it will get, and if
you wait to find out, it may be too late. Once the ground get's really
moving it's very difficult to move to safety. Let people laugh, then
educate them.
I've experienced four major quakes in the LA area.
Brian
--
http://www.skywise711.com - Lasers, Seismology, Astronomy, Skepticism
Sed quis custodiet ipsos Custodes?
Brian
Jan 22, 2012, 6:57:10 AM1/22/12
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If a quake strikes late at night then I'll be in the bedroom which seems to
be the only room that has not had any damage since the earthquakes started.
I feel that staying outside would be safer than staying in the house. If
there are continuous earthquakes or a possible bigger earthquake like there
has been in the part on the same day.
I was lucky to be in the right room when an earthquake of mag 7 strike late
at night. If i had been in the spare bedroom sitting at my computer then I
would be in the dark as the power went off a few seconds after the
earthquake started and I would have books crashing down on me from selves
above me in the dark. Also i would not be able to get out of the room as
the door would be blocked from the objects that fell against the door and
there would be a lot of things in my way to get to the door in the dark.
Thats what I call a real nightmare.
--
Regards Brian
Weatherlawyer
Jan 22, 2012, 1:07:45 PM1/22/12
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On Jan 22, 11:57 am, Brian <bcl...@es.co.nz> wrote:
There's too many damned Brians on this thread.
If you are a Chinese child at school when a large quake of 5 .0 or
less occurs; kiss your arse good bye. The reinforcing they use is
string and the concrete mix will be illegal too; or it would be in a
civilised country.
If you rush outside, you might not get hit by a tree or a roof. Or
window glass or a chimney.
Or you might.
If you stay inside you might not get crushed by a falling wall,
chimney stack, roof, tree, shelves, whatever.
Getting slammed by a door would be a better bet in my opinion. Stair
wells tend to be the safest except if there is a fire and you are
trapped in a stair well... well....
Somewhere between the door and the engine would be the most solid part
of a car I imagine. The trouble is that at most you have ten seconds
to play with.
If you are not already in position by the second second you're going
to come in second seconds later.
How quick is your reaction time going to be. Bear in mind the video of
the Japanese shop assistant who went to stop the bottles on some
shelves falling during that Megaquake.
I imagine she'd had plenty of experience with quakes too.
The mind tends to short circuit on days when a quake is due. And even
if you are:
Experienced,
Trained and
Alert,
you may be:
Asleep,
Busy,
Concentrating on something else and
Trying to avoid a stream of drivers who all, all of a sudden, appear
to be both drunk and driving on ice -at speed.
Can you recognise a quake, realise what you are suppose to do there
and then and deal with it in 1 or 2 seconds?
Come on over to the dark side, son. It's not perfect yet but it may be
a lot safer. Meantime:
If you are driving; stop.
If you are cooking; switch the stove off and move away from hot stuff.
If you are sleeping; wake up.
If you are up a ladder, get down, ditto for trees, roofs and stair
wells.
If you are in an hole, stop digging.
> Thanks for the good advice Brian.
>
> If a quake strikes late at night then I'll be in the bedroom which seems to
> be the only room that has not had any damage since the earthquakes started.
>
> I feel that staying outside would be safer than staying in the house. If
> there are continuous earthquakes or a possible bigger earthquake like there
> has been in the part on the same day.
>
> I was lucky to be in the right room when an earthquake of mag 7 strike late
> at night. If i had been in the spare bedroom sitting at my computer then I
> would be in the dark as the power went off a few seconds after the
> earthquake started and I would have books crashing down on me from selves
> above me in the dark. Also i would not be able to get out of the room as
> the door would be blocked from the objects that fell against the door and
> there would be a lot of things in my way to get to the door in the dark.
> That's what I call a real nightmare.
>
> If a quake strikes late at night then I'll be in the bedroom which seems to
> be the only room that has not had any damage since the earthquakes started.
>
> I feel that staying outside would be safer than staying in the house. If
> there are continuous earthquakes or a possible bigger earthquake like there
> has been in the part on the same day.
>
> I was lucky to be in the right room when an earthquake of mag 7 strike late
> at night. If i had been in the spare bedroom sitting at my computer then I
> would be in the dark as the power went off a few seconds after the
> earthquake started and I would have books crashing down on me from selves
> above me in the dark. Also i would not be able to get out of the room as
> the door would be blocked from the objects that fell against the door and
> there would be a lot of things in my way to get to the door in the dark.
There's too many damned Brians on this thread.
If you are a Chinese child at school when a large quake of 5 .0 or
less occurs; kiss your arse good bye. The reinforcing they use is
string and the concrete mix will be illegal too; or it would be in a
civilised country.
If you rush outside, you might not get hit by a tree or a roof. Or
window glass or a chimney.
Or you might.
If you stay inside you might not get crushed by a falling wall,
chimney stack, roof, tree, shelves, whatever.
Getting slammed by a door would be a better bet in my opinion. Stair
wells tend to be the safest except if there is a fire and you are
trapped in a stair well... well....
Somewhere between the door and the engine would be the most solid part
of a car I imagine. The trouble is that at most you have ten seconds
to play with.
If you are not already in position by the second second you're going
to come in second seconds later.
How quick is your reaction time going to be. Bear in mind the video of
the Japanese shop assistant who went to stop the bottles on some
shelves falling during that Megaquake.
I imagine she'd had plenty of experience with quakes too.
The mind tends to short circuit on days when a quake is due. And even
if you are:
Experienced,
Trained and
Alert,
you may be:
Asleep,
Busy,
Concentrating on something else and
Trying to avoid a stream of drivers who all, all of a sudden, appear
to be both drunk and driving on ice -at speed.
Can you recognise a quake, realise what you are suppose to do there
and then and deal with it in 1 or 2 seconds?
Come on over to the dark side, son. It's not perfect yet but it may be
a lot safer. Meantime:
If you are driving; stop.
If you are cooking; switch the stove off and move away from hot stuff.
If you are sleeping; wake up.
If you are up a ladder, get down, ditto for trees, roofs and stair
wells.
If you are in an hole, stop digging.
Don in Hollister
Jan 22, 2012, 1:21:54 PM1/22/12
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always keep on hand.
I have flashlights in the bedrooms with each of them attached to the
bed. I have one in the bathroom and the kitchen, two in the living
room and two more in the front room and I always carry one in my
pocket. I also have 5 packs of batteries with 10 batteries to each
pack.
I have 10 gallons of water in the bedroom 5 gallons of water in the
bathroom, 20 gallons of water in the kitchen and another 20 gallons in
the front room. If you buy the water it can be stored for a year. If
you use empty bottles and filling them with water from your tap you
can only store it for 6 months.
I have two cases of MREs (meals ready to eat) which have a shelf life
of about 20 years. After about 10 years it may not taste very good,
but the nutritional value it still there. I also have canned food
which I rotate every 6 months and lots of dried food with plenty of
rice. If you have pets don't forget about them. They need to eat and
have water just like you do.
I have a small hand ax and a large two handed ax and two crowbars.
One long one and one short one. These are the ones that have a blade
and a flat head. They can be used for chopping your way out of
something or as a hammer. I keep a small coffee can filled with
nails, screws, hooks to hang things on and a small screwdriver with
interchangeable phillips and common heads. I also have a small
folding hand saw. I have a 5 gallon propane tank and a 3 burner
stove. The axes and crowbars are kept in the house and the rest in a
storage shed as well as sleeping bags and a tent and cooking pans,
pots and what have you. I also have 100 feet of nylon rope as well as
some parachute cord.
I have a laundry bag attached to the foot of my bed and the better
half’s bed with change of clothes, shoes, another flashlight, money,
sweater and heavy jacket. I have almost the same thing in a bag in
the front room in case we have to get out like right now.
I also have almost the same material in the back of our cars in case
the quake occurs and were not home.
Keep in mind that a person can go for a long time with out much food,
but they don't last long without water. If you keep nothing else on
hand you will be surprised how long you can last with just water
alone, or how quick your body will shut down without water.
You should also have a supply of medications that you have to take and
an extra pair of prescription glasses if you need them. I have found
that some people can use the inexpensive reading glasses that you can
buy in a store.
As for safe places I have found after looking at buildings that came
down during a quake the areas that someone could survive were under
well built desks and tables. When those weren't available an inside
corner, wall, or a hallway as long as nothing heavy was hanging on the
wall. Two places that always seemed to have the least amount of
damage was a closet and a bathroom as long as it was a bathroom
located in the interior of the house. Those that had an outside wall
didn't do very good. Any outside wall is the worse place to be
standing next to. Hope this helps. Take Care...Don
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Skywise
Jan 22, 2012, 2:17:37 PM1/22/12
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Brian <bcl...@es.co.nz> wrote in
news:1034878131348832435....@free.teranews.com:
> Thanks for the good advice Brian.
You're welcome.
> If a quake strikes late at night then I'll be in the bedroom which seems
> to be the only room that has not had any damage since the earthquakes
> started.
Typically, if you're in bed, just stay in bed - unless you have items
that could fall on you. If so, you should move them. NEVER get under
the bed.
> I feel that staying outside would be safer than staying in the house. If
> there are continuous earthquakes or a possible bigger earthquake like
> there has been in the part on the same day.
Being outside is not necessarily the safest. You have to be sure to
be away from powerlines, trees, buildings, rockslides....
> I was lucky to be in the right room when an earthquake of mag 7 strike
> late at night. If i had been in the spare bedroom sitting at my computer
> then I would be in the dark as the power went off a few seconds after
> the earthquake started and I would have books crashing down on me from
> selves above me in the dark.
In which case I'd say getting under the desk IS a good idea. Just
be aware that shoudl the building collapse and crush the desk, it
will collapse the legs. Depending on the design of the desk, you'll
loose about of foot of height in your 'box'. Also, make sure not
to have any limbs under the drawer part of the desk as if the legs
do collapse, that's the part that will hit the ground.
> Also i would not be able to get out of the room as
> the door would be blocked from the objects that fell against the door
> and there would be a lot of things in my way to get to the door in the
> dark. Thats what I call a real nightmare.
That's why it's important to have a mental plan for every room. In
a really strong earthquake, 'escape' is not an option.
I'm surprised at the lack of safety knowledge in your area. Although
the Christchurch quake was unexpectedly close, the expected quake on
the Alpine Fault isn't far enough away to avoid significant shaking
and damage.
news:1034878131348832435....@free.teranews.com:
> Thanks for the good advice Brian.
> If a quake strikes late at night then I'll be in the bedroom which seems
> to be the only room that has not had any damage since the earthquakes
> started.
that could fall on you. If so, you should move them. NEVER get under
the bed.
> I feel that staying outside would be safer than staying in the house. If
> there are continuous earthquakes or a possible bigger earthquake like
> there has been in the part on the same day.
be away from powerlines, trees, buildings, rockslides....
> I was lucky to be in the right room when an earthquake of mag 7 strike
> late at night. If i had been in the spare bedroom sitting at my computer
> then I would be in the dark as the power went off a few seconds after
> the earthquake started and I would have books crashing down on me from
> selves above me in the dark.
be aware that shoudl the building collapse and crush the desk, it
will collapse the legs. Depending on the design of the desk, you'll
loose about of foot of height in your 'box'. Also, make sure not
to have any limbs under the drawer part of the desk as if the legs
do collapse, that's the part that will hit the ground.
> Also i would not be able to get out of the room as
> the door would be blocked from the objects that fell against the door
> and there would be a lot of things in my way to get to the door in the
> dark. Thats what I call a real nightmare.
a really strong earthquake, 'escape' is not an option.
I'm surprised at the lack of safety knowledge in your area. Although
the Christchurch quake was unexpectedly close, the expected quake on
the Alpine Fault isn't far enough away to avoid significant shaking
and damage.
Skywise
Jan 22, 2012, 2:26:04 PM1/22/12
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Don in Hollister <don...@garlic.com> wrote in news:4022a603-d0b1-427d-b07e-
1590e3...@s8g2000pbj.googlegroups.com:
Don, excellent list of preparedness items. But you didn't mention
on item.
TOILET PAPER!!!!!!
Oh, and a can opener.
Those seem to be the two most forgotten emergency supplies.
1590e3...@s8g2000pbj.googlegroups.com:
Don, excellent list of preparedness items. But you didn't mention
on item.
TOILET PAPER!!!!!!
Oh, and a can opener.
Those seem to be the two most forgotten emergency supplies.
Brian
Jan 28, 2012, 8:20:17 PM1/28/12
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Weatherlawyer <weathe...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Jan 22, 11:57 am, Brian <bcl...@es.co.nz> wrote:
>> Skywise <i...@oblivion.nothing.com> wrote:
>>> Brian <bcl...@es.co.nz> wrote in
>>> news:107821638348794677.4...@free.teranews.com:
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
> On Jan 22, 11:57 am, Brian <bcl...@es.co.nz> wrote:
>> Skywise <i...@oblivion.nothing.com> wrote:
>>> Brian <bcl...@es.co.nz> wrote in
>>> news:107821638348794677.4...@free.teranews.com:
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
> If you are driving; stop.
Several cars were crushed in Christchurch. Getting out of the car might be
wise.
> If you are cooking; switch the stove off and move away from hot stuff.
house would be better if there is time.
> If you are sleeping; wake up.
wakes you up.
> If you are up a ladder, get down, ditto for trees, roofs and stair
> wells.
difficult as no one knows when the next major earthquake will strike.
>
> If you are in an hole, stop digging.
To continue digging would mean that you are going to ignore the earthquake.
> If you are in an hole, stop digging.
It has happened in the past that a smaller earthquke will be quickly
followed by a major earthquake so everyone should stop and prepare.
The safest place to be during an earthquake is in a plane or hot air
balloon but then there maybe no where to land <grin>.
--
Regards Brian
Brian
Jan 28, 2012, 8:20:19 PM1/28/12
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Skywise <in...@oblivion.nothing.com> wrote:
> Brian <bcl...@es.co.nz> wrote in
> news:1034878131348832435....@free.teranews.com:
>
>> Thanks for the good advice Brian.
>
> You're welcome.
>
>
>> If a quake strikes late at night then I'll be in the bedroom which seems
>> to be the only room that has not had any damage since the earthquakes
>> started.
>
> Typically, if you're in bed, just stay in bed - unless you have items
> that could fall on you. If so, you should move them. NEVER get under
> the bed.
>
>
>> I feel that staying outside would be safer than staying in the house. If
>> there are continuous earthquakes or a possible bigger earthquake like
>> there has been in the part on the same day.
>
> Being outside is not necessarily the safest. You have to be sure to
> be away from powerlines, trees, buildings, rockslides....
I would sooner be outside if my house was destroyed in a major quake
> Brian <bcl...@es.co.nz> wrote in
> news:1034878131348832435....@free.teranews.com:
>
>> Thanks for the good advice Brian.
>
> You're welcome.
>
>
>> If a quake strikes late at night then I'll be in the bedroom which seems
>> to be the only room that has not had any damage since the earthquakes
>> started.
>
> Typically, if you're in bed, just stay in bed - unless you have items
> that could fall on you. If so, you should move them. NEVER get under
> the bed.
>
>
>> I feel that staying outside would be safer than staying in the house. If
>> there are continuous earthquakes or a possible bigger earthquake like
>> there has been in the part on the same day.
>
> Being outside is not necessarily the safest. You have to be sure to
> be away from powerlines, trees, buildings, rockslides....
knowing that I was not under the pile of boards.
The worst earthquakes are those that strike in a place that has had very
few earthquakes in the past like Christchurch so no one was prepared. In
the past we have had earthquakes for one or two days then they are gone.
Most people were expecting the same to happen when we got the Sept
earthquake so a lot of people were caught in the Feb earthquake that
happened without warning and it took the lives of people.
>
>
>
>> I was lucky to be in the right room when an earthquake of mag 7 strike
>> late at night. If i had been in the spare bedroom sitting at my computer
>> then I would be in the dark as the power went off a few seconds after
>> the earthquake started and I would have books crashing down on me from
>> selves above me in the dark.
>
> In which case I'd say getting under the desk IS a good idea. Just
> be aware that shoudl the building collapse and crush the desk, it
> will collapse the legs. Depending on the design of the desk, you'll
> loose about of foot of height in your 'box'. Also, make sure not
> to have any limbs under the drawer part of the desk as if the legs
> do collapse, that's the part that will hit the ground.
>
There was not a lot of room to move about as many things were stored in
>
>
>> I was lucky to be in the right room when an earthquake of mag 7 strike
>> late at night. If i had been in the spare bedroom sitting at my computer
>> then I would be in the dark as the power went off a few seconds after
>> the earthquake started and I would have books crashing down on me from
>> selves above me in the dark.
>
> In which case I'd say getting under the desk IS a good idea. Just
> be aware that shoudl the building collapse and crush the desk, it
> will collapse the legs. Depending on the design of the desk, you'll
> loose about of foot of height in your 'box'. Also, make sure not
> to have any limbs under the drawer part of the desk as if the legs
> do collapse, that's the part that will hit the ground.
>
this room and too much stuff under the table to be able to get under the
table. It would have been a nightmare but lucky for me I had gone to bed
before the earthquake happened.
>
>> Also i would not be able to get out of the room asu
>> the door would be blocked from the objects that fell against the door
>> and there would be a lot of things in my way to get to the door in the
>> dark. Thats what I call a real nightmare.
>
> That's why it's important to have a mental plan for every room. In
> a really strong earthquake, 'escape' is not an option.
>
> I'm surprised at the lack of safety knowledge in your area. Although
> the Christchurch quake was unexpectedly close, the expected quake on
> the Alpine Fault isn't far enough away to avoid significant shaking
> and damage.
Yes it seems that people have mixed ideas on what to do when an earthquake
>> and there would be a lot of things in my way to get to the door in the
>> dark. Thats what I call a real nightmare.
>
> That's why it's important to have a mental plan for every room. In
> a really strong earthquake, 'escape' is not an option.
>
> I'm surprised at the lack of safety knowledge in your area. Although
> the Christchurch quake was unexpectedly close, the expected quake on
> the Alpine Fault isn't far enough away to avoid significant shaking
> and damage.
strikes. They are better prepared in Japan. I was in the local library when
the 23rd Dec earthquake happened. I was standing crouched down until it
stopped. The librarian checked to make sure everyone was OK then told
people to leave the library. The power went off but it was during the day
so there was plenty of light.
I'm thinking of carrying a small touch with me as I might not be home at
night if a major earthquake happens and be caught out with no light should
the power go off.
>
> Brian
--
Regards Brian
Brian
Jan 28, 2012, 8:20:21 PM1/28/12
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Skywise <in...@oblivion.nothing.com> wrote:
> Don in Hollister <don...@garlic.com> wrote in news:4022a603-d0b1-427d-b07e-
> 1590e3...@s8g2000pbj.googlegroups.com:
>
> Don, excellent list of preparedness items. But you didn't mention
> on item.
>
> TOILET PAPER!!!!!!
>
> Oh, and a can opener.
>
> Those seem to be the two most forgotten emergency supplies.
>
> Brian
Also a pocket battery operated radio and a mobile phone is missing from the
> Don in Hollister <don...@garlic.com> wrote in news:4022a603-d0b1-427d-b07e-
> 1590e3...@s8g2000pbj.googlegroups.com:
>
> Don, excellent list of preparedness items. But you didn't mention
> on item.
>
> TOILET PAPER!!!!!!
>
> Oh, and a can opener.
>
> Those seem to be the two most forgotten emergency supplies.
>
> Brian
list.
But it was a well planned list.
--
Regards Brian
Skywise
Jan 29, 2012, 12:47:36 AM1/29/12
to
Brian <bcl...@es.co.nz> wrote in
news:1356512077349490895....@free.teranews.com:
> Also a pocket battery operated radio and a mobile phone is missing from
> the list.
> But it was a well planned list.
You can't eat a radio or wipe your butt with a phone...
Well, you could... hehehehe :)
I'm not dismissing your suggestions. Those are certainly very good
items to have.
news:1356512077349490895....@free.teranews.com:
> Also a pocket battery operated radio and a mobile phone is missing from
> the list.
> But it was a well planned list.
Well, you could... hehehehe :)
I'm not dismissing your suggestions. Those are certainly very good
items to have.
Skywise
Jan 29, 2012, 12:53:52 AM1/29/12
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Brian <bcl...@es.co.nz> wrote in news:646303263349492092.070342bclark-
es.c...@free.teranews.com:
>> If you are cooking; switch the stove off and move away from hot stuff.
>
> Usually there is a powercut. But better still turning off the power to the
> house would be better if there is time.
It's also a very good idea to know how to shut off the gas supply as
well. Keep a wrench attached to the pipe.
Oh, if you smell gas, DO NOT flip ANY electrical switches. Even breakers.
Any spark may set off the gas. If it's safe to do so, shut off the gas
supply, and leave the area until it dissipates. If the gas is strong it
may be safer to evacuate sooner rather than risk the time to shut off
the gas. After all, it may be a broken pipe for which a valve can do
nothing.
es.c...@free.teranews.com:
>> If you are cooking; switch the stove off and move away from hot stuff.
>
> Usually there is a powercut. But better still turning off the power to the
> house would be better if there is time.
well. Keep a wrench attached to the pipe.
Oh, if you smell gas, DO NOT flip ANY electrical switches. Even breakers.
Any spark may set off the gas. If it's safe to do so, shut off the gas
supply, and leave the area until it dissipates. If the gas is strong it
may be safer to evacuate sooner rather than risk the time to shut off
the gas. After all, it may be a broken pipe for which a valve can do
nothing.
Skywise
Jan 29, 2012, 12:58:09 AM1/29/12
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Brian <bcl...@es.co.nz> wrote in news:153259261349491029.936229bclark-
es.c...@free.teranews.com:
> I'm thinking of carrying a small touch with me as I might not be home at
> night if a major earthquake happens and be caught out with no light should
> the power go off.
I presume you mean 'torch' and not 'touch'... Hey, everyone could use
a little touch every now and then, right? hehehehe :)
Anyway, a good idea. There are plenty of pocket sized LED lights available
for only a few dollars. There's even keychain fob lights you can get.
es.c...@free.teranews.com:
> I'm thinking of carrying a small touch with me as I might not be home at
> night if a major earthquake happens and be caught out with no light should
> the power go off.
a little touch every now and then, right? hehehehe :)
Anyway, a good idea. There are plenty of pocket sized LED lights available
for only a few dollars. There's even keychain fob lights you can get.
Brian
Jan 29, 2012, 3:01:20 AM1/29/12
to
Skywise <in...@oblivion.nothing.com> wrote:
> Brian <bcl...@es.co.nz> wrote in
> news:1356512077349490895....@free.teranews.com:
>
>> Also a pocket battery operated radio and a mobile phone is missing from
>> the list.
>> But it was a well planned list.
>
> You can't eat a radio or wipe your butt with a phone...
>
> Well, you could... hehehehe :)
>
> I'm not dismissing your suggestions. Those are certainly very good
> items to have.
>
> Brian
Thanks Skywise.
> Brian <bcl...@es.co.nz> wrote in
> news:1356512077349490895....@free.teranews.com:
>
>> Also a pocket battery operated radio and a mobile phone is missing from
>> the list.
>> But it was a well planned list.
>
> You can't eat a radio or wipe your butt with a phone...
>
> Well, you could... hehehehe :)
>
> I'm not dismissing your suggestions. Those are certainly very good
> items to have.
>
> Brian
The first thing I do after a strong earthquake is to turn on the radio to
find out what's happening. Without a radio I feel isolated.
--
Regards Brian
Brian
Jan 29, 2012, 3:01:21 AM1/29/12
to
Skywise <in...@oblivion.nothing.com> wrote:
> Brian <bcl...@es.co.nz> wrote in news:153259261349491029.936229bclark-
> es.c...@free.teranews.com:
>
>> I'm thinking of carrying a small touch with me as I might not be home at
>> night if a major earthquake happens and be caught out with no light should
>> the power go off.
>
> I presume you mean 'torch' and not 'touch'... Hey, everyone could use
> a little touch every now and then, right? hehehehe :)
>
> Anyway, a good idea. There are plenty of pocket sized LED lights available
> for only a few dollars. There's even keychain fob lights you can get.
Yes spelling is a weakness with me.
> Brian <bcl...@es.co.nz> wrote in news:153259261349491029.936229bclark-
> es.c...@free.teranews.com:
>
>> I'm thinking of carrying a small touch with me as I might not be home at
>> night if a major earthquake happens and be caught out with no light should
>> the power go off.
>
> I presume you mean 'torch' and not 'touch'... Hey, everyone could use
> a little touch every now and then, right? hehehehe :)
>
> Anyway, a good idea. There are plenty of pocket sized LED lights available
> for only a few dollars. There's even keychain fob lights you can get.
>
> Brian
Some mobile phones can be used as a torch, but you would want to preserve
your battery power in your mobile phone.
--
Regards Brian
Brian
Jan 29, 2012, 3:01:23 AM1/29/12
to
Skywise <in...@oblivion.nothing.com> wrote:
> Brian <bcl...@es.co.nz> wrote in news:646303263349492092.070342bclark-
> es.c...@free.teranews.com:
>
>>> If you are cooking; switch the stove off and move away from hot stuff.
>>
>> Usually there is a powercut. But better still turning off the power to the
>> house would be better if there is time.
>
> It's also a very good idea to know how to shut off the gas supply as
> well. Keep a wrench attached to the pipe.
>
> Oh, if you smell gas, DO NOT flip ANY electrical switches. Even breakers.
> Any spark may set off the gas. If it's safe to do so, shut off the gas
> supply, and leave the area until it dissipates. If the gas is strong it
> may be safer to evacuate sooner rather than risk the time to shut off
> the gas. After all, it may be a broken pipe for which a valve can do
> nothing.
>
> Brian
Christchurch no longer has gas supplies to homes. If you have a gas heater
> Brian <bcl...@es.co.nz> wrote in news:646303263349492092.070342bclark-
> es.c...@free.teranews.com:
>
>>> If you are cooking; switch the stove off and move away from hot stuff.
>>
>> Usually there is a powercut. But better still turning off the power to the
>> house would be better if there is time.
>
> It's also a very good idea to know how to shut off the gas supply as
> well. Keep a wrench attached to the pipe.
>
> Oh, if you smell gas, DO NOT flip ANY electrical switches. Even breakers.
> Any spark may set off the gas. If it's safe to do so, shut off the gas
> supply, and leave the area until it dissipates. If the gas is strong it
> may be safer to evacuate sooner rather than risk the time to shut off
> the gas. After all, it may be a broken pipe for which a valve can do
> nothing.
>
> Brian
then you need a cylinder refilled.
--
Regards Brian
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Skywise
Jan 29, 2012, 1:13:20 PM1/29/12
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Brian <bcl...@es.co.nz> wrote in
news:801693191349516395.7...@free.teranews.com:
> Christchurch no longer has gas supplies to homes. If you have a gas
> heater then you need a cylinder refilled.
Propane, I presume? Parts of USA are like that. The same applies,
though. Know how to shut off the supply.
news:801693191349516395.7...@free.teranews.com:
> Christchurch no longer has gas supplies to homes. If you have a gas
> heater then you need a cylinder refilled.
though. Know how to shut off the supply.
Brian
Jan 30, 2012, 1:40:24 AM1/30/12
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Bob Officer <bobof...@127.0.0.7> wrote:
>
> A heavy table would be my 1st choice. Away from windows and falling
> object would be a consideration. A door way might be a possibility
> possible exit the building and get to open ground. Depending on how
> close you are to the epicenter you might not have time. The after
> shocks would be my concern if you survived the first shock wave. One
> would have to consider things like Snapping power poles and lines, as
> well as falling debris.
>
> Each person should learn how to consider the situation and I do not
> feel one rule of thumb fits all events or situations.
>
> We had this discuss with our CERT Leaders a few times and the general
> consensus is there are no hard and fast rules of thumb.
>
> When things stop shaking, dig out the HT/Portable HF-VHF/UHF Rig,
> Batteries (& other stuff in your go bag) and start listening on our
> local CERT/ARES repeater net for where to report. If The net control
> doesn't show up right away, Start checking people in on the net and
> finding out what resources we have available. Living where we Do, it
> is going to be the SF/EastBay Area which will require help most
> likely.
>
Out of interest are you referring to a radio station or internet site when
you wrote about CERT/ARES repeater net?
In New Zealand all we have is the reports from radio stations. A portable
battery operated radio can be very useful and valuable when hit by an
earthquake.
--
Regards Brian
> On Sat, 21 Jan 2012 00:02:57 GMT, in sci.geo.earthquakes, Brian
> <bcl...@es.co.nz> wrote:
>
>> I'd be interested to know what people think should be done during a major
>> earthquake.
>> In the past we were taught to get under a door frame but now we are told
>> that the door frame is not a safe place.
> <bcl...@es.co.nz> wrote:
>
>> I'd be interested to know what people think should be done during a major
>> earthquake.
>> In the past we were taught to get under a door frame but now we are told
>> that the door frame is not a safe place.
>> Some say get under a table but what if there are no tables or no room under
>> a table.
>> a table.
>> There has been no information on TV on whats the best thing to do to
>> protect yourself during an earthquake.
>
> A list priorities what to do?
>> protect yourself during an earthquake.
>
>
> A heavy table would be my 1st choice. Away from windows and falling
> object would be a consideration. A door way might be a possibility
> possible exit the building and get to open ground. Depending on how
> close you are to the epicenter you might not have time. The after
> shocks would be my concern if you survived the first shock wave. One
> would have to consider things like Snapping power poles and lines, as
> well as falling debris.
>
> Each person should learn how to consider the situation and I do not
> feel one rule of thumb fits all events or situations.
>
> We had this discuss with our CERT Leaders a few times and the general
> consensus is there are no hard and fast rules of thumb.
>
> When things stop shaking, dig out the HT/Portable HF-VHF/UHF Rig,
> Batteries (& other stuff in your go bag) and start listening on our
> local CERT/ARES repeater net for where to report. If The net control
> doesn't show up right away, Start checking people in on the net and
> finding out what resources we have available. Living where we Do, it
> is going to be the SF/EastBay Area which will require help most
> likely.
>
Out of interest are you referring to a radio station or internet site when
you wrote about CERT/ARES repeater net?
In New Zealand all we have is the reports from radio stations. A portable
battery operated radio can be very useful and valuable when hit by an
earthquake.
--
Regards Brian
gerard
Jan 30, 2012, 9:06:35 AM1/30/12
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On Jan 20, 6:42 pm, Skywise <i...@oblivion.nothing.com> wrote:
> Brian <bcl...@es.co.nz> wrote innews:107821638348794677.4...@free.teranews.com:
> --http://www.skywise711.com- Lasers, Seismology, Astronomy, Skepticism
<http://www2.bpaonline.org/Emergencyprep/arc-on-doug-copp.html>).
Sheltering next to a large item will greatly increase your chances of
getting injured or trapped during an earthquake since the item can
fall on you or (more likely it it's really heavy) "walk" onto a hand,
or a fold of clothing, leaving you trapped. By far the greatest hazard
in an earthquake is from non-structural elements of the building:
lighting fixtures, false ceilings, unsecured bookshelves, TV sets,
etc. Crouching next to a desk protects you from none of these. The
best policy is drop, cover, and hold. People tend to forget the
"hold," but it's important: if you are sheltering under something
light (like a school chair, for example) you want it to stay with you;
if you are under something heavy (like a steel desk), you want to be
moved with it if it slides around, to avoid getting hit.
If you are in bed when the earthquake hits, stay in bed with your head
under a pillow. If you shelter next to the bed the bed itself might
injure you as it slides around.
Right after an earthquake, there are two things you want: a flashlight
and a pair of shoes. If you keep a flashlight in your shoes next to
your bed, then the flashlight won't go wandering around during the
earthquake.
> Brian <bcl...@es.co.nz> wrote innews:107821638348794677.4...@free.teranews.com:
> Sed quis custodiet ipsos Custodes?
Be aware that the "Triangle of Life" has been widely discredited (e.g.
<http://www2.bpaonline.org/Emergencyprep/arc-on-doug-copp.html>).
Sheltering next to a large item will greatly increase your chances of
getting injured or trapped during an earthquake since the item can
fall on you or (more likely it it's really heavy) "walk" onto a hand,
or a fold of clothing, leaving you trapped. By far the greatest hazard
in an earthquake is from non-structural elements of the building:
lighting fixtures, false ceilings, unsecured bookshelves, TV sets,
etc. Crouching next to a desk protects you from none of these. The
best policy is drop, cover, and hold. People tend to forget the
"hold," but it's important: if you are sheltering under something
light (like a school chair, for example) you want it to stay with you;
if you are under something heavy (like a steel desk), you want to be
moved with it if it slides around, to avoid getting hit.
If you are in bed when the earthquake hits, stay in bed with your head
under a pillow. If you shelter next to the bed the bed itself might
injure you as it slides around.
Right after an earthquake, there are two things you want: a flashlight
and a pair of shoes. If you keep a flashlight in your shoes next to
your bed, then the flashlight won't go wandering around during the
earthquake.
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Jan 30, 2012, 12:54:34 PM1/30/12
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gerard <gerar...@mac.com> wrote in news:d680ac72-7824-46a6-ae7d-
0fa672...@m2g2000vbc.googlegroups.com:
Gerard, it's nice to see you still pop into this group from time to
time. The s/n ratio has been too low for quite some time.
> Be aware that the "Triangle of Life" has been widely discredited (e.g.
> <http://www2.bpaonline.org/Emergencyprep/arc-on-doug-copp.html>).
A very good short read. I recommened all here to check it out.
However, after reading that page I wouldn't say that the "triangle
of life" has been discredited. My thought is that it is very context
and location specific. I say that as at the end of the page they
talk about preplanned searches for void areas (which is what I was
trying to convey).
On the other hand, it has now been pointed out that what I have
heard about the triangle was base on locations other than the US,
so may not apply to us here in the States.
How this applies to our friend in New Zealand depends on what sort
of dangers he needs to protect himself from. The Christchurch quake
should give a good clue - were there a lot of building collapses
and were they the predominant source of death/injury? If so, then
the "triangle of life" may have application. Otherwise the "drop,
cover, and hold" plan would be better suited.
P.S. I never saw the email discussed in the beginning of that
article, so my suggestions were not based on it.
Brian
--
http://www.skywise711.com - Lasers, Seismology, Astronomy, Skepticism
0fa672...@m2g2000vbc.googlegroups.com:
Gerard, it's nice to see you still pop into this group from time to
time. The s/n ratio has been too low for quite some time.
> Be aware that the "Triangle of Life" has been widely discredited (e.g.
> <http://www2.bpaonline.org/Emergencyprep/arc-on-doug-copp.html>).
However, after reading that page I wouldn't say that the "triangle
of life" has been discredited. My thought is that it is very context
and location specific. I say that as at the end of the page they
talk about preplanned searches for void areas (which is what I was
trying to convey).
On the other hand, it has now been pointed out that what I have
heard about the triangle was base on locations other than the US,
so may not apply to us here in the States.
How this applies to our friend in New Zealand depends on what sort
of dangers he needs to protect himself from. The Christchurch quake
should give a good clue - were there a lot of building collapses
and were they the predominant source of death/injury? If so, then
the "triangle of life" may have application. Otherwise the "drop,
cover, and hold" plan would be better suited.
P.S. I never saw the email discussed in the beginning of that
article, so my suggestions were not based on it.
Brian
--
http://www.skywise711.com - Lasers, Seismology, Astronomy, Skepticism
Brian
Jan 31, 2012, 9:43:15 PM1/31/12
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strikes. The best thing the city council did was close the hit area off
from the public so buildings could not fall on people due to after shocks.
What surprised me was that the next day after the earthquake people were
wanting to go back to work and many of them worked in multi story
buildings. They were told that the area was closed to the public. Most of
it is still closed to the public.
--
Regards Brian
Brian
Jan 31, 2012, 9:43:16 PM1/31/12
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Bob Officer <bobof...@127.0.0.7> wrote:
> On Mon, 30 Jan 2012 06:40:24 GMT, in sci.geo.earthquakes, Brian
>
> CERT is Community Emergency Response Team. This are members of the
> community which have voluntarily taking the training to provide
> responses in times of emergencies.
>
> ARES is Amateur Radio Emergency Service®
> http://www.arrl.org/ares
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amateur_radio_emergency_communications#New_Zealand
>
> In New Zealand the New Zealand Association of Radio Transmitters
> provides the AREC - Amateur Radio Emergency Communications (formerly
> Amateur Radio Emergency Corps) in the role. They won the New Zealand
> National Search and Rescue award in 2001 for their long commitment to
> Search and Rescue in NZ.
>
> http://www.nzart.org.nz/
>
>
>
Thanks for the info Bob. This might can in useful when the next big
earthquake comes.
--
Regards Brian
> On Mon, 30 Jan 2012 06:40:24 GMT, in sci.geo.earthquakes, Brian
> <bcl...@es.co.nz> wrote:
>
>> Bob Officer <bobof...@127.0.0.7> wrote:
>>> On Sat, 21 Jan 2012 00:02:57 GMT, in sci.geo.earthquakes, Brian
>>> <bcl...@es.co.nz> wrote:
>>>
>
>> Bob Officer <bobof...@127.0.0.7> wrote:
>>> On Sat, 21 Jan 2012 00:02:57 GMT, in sci.geo.earthquakes, Brian
>>> <bcl...@es.co.nz> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I'd be interested to know what people think should be done during a major
>>>> earthquake.
>>>> In the past we were taught to get under a door frame but now we are told
>>>> that the door frame is not a safe place.
>>>> earthquake.
>>>> In the past we were taught to get under a door frame but now we are told
>>>> that the door frame is not a safe place.
>>>> Some say get under a table but what if there are no tables or no room under
>>>> a table.
>>>> a table.
>>>> There has been no information on TV on whats the best thing to do to
>>>> protect yourself during an earthquake.
>>>
>>> A list priorities what to do?
>>>
>>> A heavy table would be my 1st choice. Away from windows and falling
>>> object would be a consideration. A door way might be a possibility
>>> possible exit the building and get to open ground. Depending on how
>>> close you are to the epicenter you might not have time. The after
>>> shocks would be my concern if you survived the first shock wave. One
>>> would have to consider things like Snapping power poles and lines, as
>>> well as falling debris.
>>>
>>> Each person should learn how to consider the situation and I do not
>>> feel one rule of thumb fits all events or situations.
>>>
>>> We had this discuss with our CERT Leaders a few times and the general
>>> consensus is there are no hard and fast rules of thumb.
>>>
>>> When things stop shaking, dig out the HT/Portable HF-VHF/UHF Rig,
>>> Batteries (& other stuff in your go bag) and start listening on our
>>> local CERT/ARES repeater net for where to report. If The net control
>>> doesn't show up right away, Start checking people in on the net and
>>> finding out what resources we have available. Living where we Do, it
>>> is going to be the SF/EastBay Area which will require help most
>>> likely.
>>>
>>
>> Out of interest are you referring to a radio station or internet site when
>> you wrote about CERT/ARES repeater net?
>
> Amateur Radio Nets.
>>>> protect yourself during an earthquake.
>>>
>>> A list priorities what to do?
>>>
>>> A heavy table would be my 1st choice. Away from windows and falling
>>> object would be a consideration. A door way might be a possibility
>>> possible exit the building and get to open ground. Depending on how
>>> close you are to the epicenter you might not have time. The after
>>> shocks would be my concern if you survived the first shock wave. One
>>> would have to consider things like Snapping power poles and lines, as
>>> well as falling debris.
>>>
>>> Each person should learn how to consider the situation and I do not
>>> feel one rule of thumb fits all events or situations.
>>>
>>> We had this discuss with our CERT Leaders a few times and the general
>>> consensus is there are no hard and fast rules of thumb.
>>>
>>> When things stop shaking, dig out the HT/Portable HF-VHF/UHF Rig,
>>> Batteries (& other stuff in your go bag) and start listening on our
>>> local CERT/ARES repeater net for where to report. If The net control
>>> doesn't show up right away, Start checking people in on the net and
>>> finding out what resources we have available. Living where we Do, it
>>> is going to be the SF/EastBay Area which will require help most
>>> likely.
>>>
>>
>> Out of interest are you referring to a radio station or internet site when
>> you wrote about CERT/ARES repeater net?
>
>
> CERT is Community Emergency Response Team. This are members of the
> community which have voluntarily taking the training to provide
> responses in times of emergencies.
>
> ARES is Amateur Radio Emergency Service®
> http://www.arrl.org/ares
>
>> In New Zealand all we have is the reports from radio stations. A portable
>> battery operated radio can be very useful and valuable when hit by an
>> earthquake.
>
> In New Zealand:
>> In New Zealand all we have is the reports from radio stations. A portable
>> battery operated radio can be very useful and valuable when hit by an
>> earthquake.
>
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amateur_radio_emergency_communications#New_Zealand
>
> In New Zealand the New Zealand Association of Radio Transmitters
> provides the AREC - Amateur Radio Emergency Communications (formerly
> Amateur Radio Emergency Corps) in the role. They won the New Zealand
> National Search and Rescue award in 2001 for their long commitment to
> Search and Rescue in NZ.
>
> http://www.nzart.org.nz/
>
>
>
Thanks for the info Bob. This might can in useful when the next big
earthquake comes.
--
Regards Brian
Brian
Jan 31, 2012, 9:43:18 PM1/31/12
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In the first unexpected big earthquake I was in bed and the power went off
so I could not see what was happening. I reached for the torch which I kept
next to the bed and found that it was not there. I think the earthquake
must have knocked it to the floor and under the bed. It wad 4.00 pm so I
had to wait for daylight before I could see what the quake had done. I now
keep the torch in the top drawer. I feel that a having a radio is important
ad once you get outside you need to understand the situation which comes
from the radio station.
Now days my LCD TV is bolted to the stand and I have rope around other
equipment. With the sudden earthquakes it is too dangerous to get on the
roof to do any repairs.
--
Regards Brian
Felix Tilley
Feb 4, 2012, 10:14:14 PM2/4/12
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On Sat, 21 Jan 2012 00:02:57 +0000, Brian wrote:
> I'd be interested to know what people think should be done during a major
> earthquake.
> In the past we were taught to get under a door frame but now we are told
> that the door frame is not a safe place.
> I'd be interested to know what people think should be done during a major
> earthquake.
> In the past we were taught to get under a door frame but now we are told
> that the door frame is not a safe place.
> Some say get under a table but what if there are no tables or no room under
> a table.
> a table.
> There has been no information on TV on whats the best thing to do to
> protect yourself during an earthquake.
If you are right handed put your left index finger into your rectum. If
> protect yourself during an earthquake.
you are left handed use the right index finger. Then pray to God for the
shaking to stop.
NZ is a high EQ risk. That is your fate. Learn to live with it.
Felix
Brian
Feb 6, 2012, 7:55:51 PM2/6/12
to
increase the chance of surviving.
--
Regards Brian
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