icy peaks are thawing fast
Cliff
http://www.usatoday.com/weather/climate/globalwarming/2009-11-02-kilimanjaro_N.htm
"Kilimanjaro's famous icy peaks are thawing fast"
[
Climate change could cause the legendary snow and ice atop Mount Kilimanjaro to
disappear within the next 25 years, scientists report today in the journal
Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences.
For the first time in almost 12,000 years, based on ice-core analysis, Africa's
highest peak probably will be ice-free as early as 2022 or as late as 2033, says
glaciologist Lonnie Thompson of Ohio State University, who led the study.
"Of the ice cover present in 1912," Thompson and his colleagues write in the
paper, "85% has disappeared and 26% of that present in 2000 is now gone."
]
Catoni
Opinionated article from the popular press.
Reply:
This AGW claim of Kilimanjaro losing its icecap due
to AGW has already been de-bunked many times. Nothing to do with
global warming. It began to retreat back in the 1800's as we came out
of the Little Ice Age about 1850. Helped by altered local rainfall
patters due to deforestation in the area by the natives.
In the last few hundreds of thousands of years, Kilimanjaro has
probably lost and gained an icecap many, many times.
I M @ good guy
Much more interesting is how the ice spires formed;
(see slide 2 and 3)
Cliff
One could speculate but ... ?
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Cliff
Zymrgy
wrote:
> http://www.usatoday.com/weather/climate/globalwarming/2009-11-02-kili...
> "Kilimanjaro's famous icy peaks are thawing fast"
> [
> Climate change could cause the legendary snow and ice atop Mount Kilimanjaro to
> disappear within the next 25 years, scientists report today in the journal
> Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences.
> For the first time in almost 12,000 years, based on ice-core analysis, Africa's
> highest peak probably will be ice-free as early as 2022 or as late as 2033, says
> glaciologist Lonnie Thompson of Ohio State University, who led the study.
>
> "Of the ice cover present in 1912," Thompson and his colleagues write in the
> paper, "85% has disappeared and 26% of that present in 2000 is now gone."
> ]
Thompson...what a tool. Kilimanjaro suffers from land use changes
(deforestation) which in turn effects the amount of moisture around
the mountain....also there is Atlantic Multidecadal changes.
Deforestation also adds to the dust in the atmosphere, which lands on
whatever snow Kilimanjaro does get, which speeds up the melting
process. This shit is OLD news. Thompson also states that "coupled
with even greater increases in the mid- to upper-tropical troposphere,
as documented in recent decades, would at least partially
explain”....This is complete bullshit. Go check the data from NOAA and
other sources. Satellites and weather balloons show no warming in mid
to high levels in the tropics. Only in the tinkertoy climate models
does that happen.
And whats the big fucking deal if it DOES lose its glaciers. It didn't
have any 12,000 years ago...a blink of an eye climatology/geologically
speaking. It will disappear someday...and most likely reappear again.
wait a few million years.
T. Keating
wrote:
A lot of animals and people will be displaced when the melt water
shrinks to a tiny trickle.
Now for a completely different continent.
http://web.worldbank.org/WBSITE/EXTERNAL/COUNTRIES/LACEXT/ECUADOREXTN/0,,contentMDK:
"Large cities in the region are depending on glacial runoffs for their
water supply."
"Retracting Glacier Impacts Economic Outlook in the Tropical Andes"
JohnM
> "Large cities in the region are depending on glacial runoffs for their
> water supply."
> "Retracting Glacier Impacts Economic Outlook in the Tropical Andes"
Plenty of water in Vietnam just now :-((
I M @ good guy
wrote:
So glaciers supply melt water for 12,000 years,
magically, with no snowfall?
What a crock, if there is no snow, the end is near,
what happened to Global Warming promising more
precipitation?
>Now for a completely different continent.
>http://web.worldbank.org/WBSITE/EXTERNAL/COUNTRIES/LACEXT/ECUADOREXTN/0,,contentMDK:
>"Large cities in the region are depending on glacial runoffs for their
>water supply."
>"Retracting Glacier Impacts Economic Outlook in the Tropical Andes"
What a crock, if there is no snow, the end is near,
what happened to Global Warming promising more
precipitation?
Last Post
wrote:
> http://www.usatoday.com/weather/climate/globalwarming/2009-11-02-kili...
> "Kilimanjaro's famous icy peaks are thawing fast"
> Climate change could cause the legendary snow and ice atop Mount Kilimanjaro to
> disappear within the next 25 years, scientists report today in the journal
> Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences.
•• ROTFLMAO— Once again they say "could"
not "will". There is also the chance that it would
rebuild. A lot can change in 24 years
> For the first time in almost 12,000 years, based on ice-core analysis, Africa's
> highest peak probably will be ice-free as early as 2022 or as late as 2033, says
> glaciologist Lonnie Thompson of Ohio State University, who led the study.
>
> "Of the ice cover present in 1912," Thompson and his colleagues write in the
> paper, "85% has disappeared and 26% of that present in 2000 is now gone."
•• Was that peer reviewed?
–– ––
In real science the burden of proof is always
on the proposer, never on the sceptics. So far
neither IPCC nor anyone else has provided one
iota of valid data for global warming nor have
they provided data that climate change is being
effected by commerce and industry, and not by
natural phenomena.
Curly Surmudgeon
wrote:
> "Retracting Glacier Impacts Economic Outlook in the Tropical Andes"
Bariloche, Mendoza, San Rafael and a bunch of smaller cities make up the
3rd largest metropolitan region of Argentina. It's a desert and
dependent upon melting Andean run off.
Has been for thousands of years, prior to the Incas who are credited with
building the canals and terraces that actually preceded them. The same
irrigation techniques are used today to grow some of the world's great
wines and other agriculture including cattle.
Water is drying up.
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Curly Surmudgeon
If you're that ignorant then I suggest educating yourself before
participating in a discussion so far over your head.
I M @ good guy
If there is no snow, the end is near, is there some
reason glaciers would not be subject to the same reality
of physics?
billy...@gmail.com
I always get a kick from the people who pee themselves over ice melt.
Not too long ago the very place I sit as I type this was under 5000
feet of ice. And I with out an hat. And as someone who can not swim, I
am deeply(that is a pun....just wait) concerned that in just a few
years this here spot will be under fathoms and fathoms of salt water
with widdle fishies screwing and pooping and swimming hither and yon
where once I planted a garden. fathom that.
If any yip-ity bitches want to shut themselves up - and they don't
because they are yip-ity bitches - just look up the amount of air
pollutants we get from volcanoes and yak farts /vs the amount of
pollutants we get from us. (breathe methane for a few days and get
back to me)
It's Earth. She's fine. It is we who will pass.
(there is empirical data that suggests there is a funny, sarcasticle
*next* line that ends in ass. the proof is left to the reader. ed.)
leona...@gmail.com
> On Thu, 5 Nov 2009 08:19:20 +0000 (UTC), Curly Surmudgeon
>
>
>
> <CurlySurmudg...@live.com> wrote:
> >On Wed, 04 Nov 2009 13:28:02 -0400, "I M @ good guy" <I...@good.guy> wrote:
>
•• There is snow and since it is springtime in the
Andes there is sure to be melting. There also
are some active volcanoes in the region.
— —
. In real science the burden of proof is always
. on the proposer, never on the sceptics. So far
. neither IPCC nor anyone else has provided one
. iota of valid data for global warming nor have
. they provided data that climate change is being
. effected by commerce and industry, and not by
. natural phenomena.
leona...@gmail.com
wrote:
> I always get a kick from the people who pee themselves over ice melt.
> Not too long ago the very place I sit as I type this was under 5000
> feet of ice. And I with out an hat. And as someone who can not swim, I
> am deeply(that is a pun....just wait) concerned that in just a few
> years this here spot will be under fathoms and fathoms of salt water
> with widdle fishies screwing and pooping and swimming hither and yon
> where once I planted a garden. fathom that.
•• Do not worry, billy, it is more likely that your
garden will be under 5000 feet of ice once again.
It will take a few thousand years, but don't concern
yourself with the wait.
Bill McKee
<leona...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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Does not matter. Mankind ends in 3.3 years. 2012 is it according to
Holleywood and others.
Scott
"Bill McKee" <bmckee...@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message
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>
> <leona...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:2ebc12f9-dc3a-4be8...@m13g2000vbf.googlegroups.com...
> On Nov 7, 7:42 am, "billynev...@gmail.com" <billynev...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> I always get a kick from the people who pee themselves over ice melt.
>> Not too long ago the very place I sit as I type this was under 5000
>> feet of ice. And I with out an hat. And as someone who can not swim, I
>> am deeply(that is a pun....just wait) concerned that in just a few
>> years this here spot will be under fathoms and fathoms of salt water
>> with widdle fishies screwing and pooping and swimming hither and yon
>> where once I planted a garden. fathom that.
>
> garden will be under 5000 feet of ice once again.
> It will take a few thousand years, but don't concern
> yourself with the wait.
>
> Does not matter. Mankind ends in 3.3 years. 2012 is it according to
> Holleywood and others.
Yep, they been saying that for 2012 years...
Bill McKee
"Scott" <nu...@bidneth.com> wrote in message
news:XJCdnbNjmf5vnmXX...@supernews.com...
Actually the Mayans were the ones forecasting 2012, and they said the last
epoc started 3011 BC or something like that.
cavelamb
Yep.
THEIR calendar ends 2012 - but the world ended for them a long time ago.
leona...@gmail.com
> <leonard7...@gmail.com> wrote in message
•• ROTFLMAO!!!!!!!!!!
Bill McKee
"cavelamb" <cave...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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Their main culture ended a long time ago, actually not that long ago, but
seems as if a lot of the Mayan's I have seen in MX and Central America seem
to be living the same life.