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Barbarian Mutual

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Feb 7, 2012, 11:00:06 AM2/7/12
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The Wall Street Journal Nov 2, 2009

Mr. Thomas Donohue, president of the US Chamber of Commerce... On
climate
change, "Mr. Donohue's group says warmer temperatures could help
reduce
deaths related to cold weather..."

-- http://online.wsj.com/article/SB125685614562317127.html

Anything worse than this?? Why not address how CO2 is destroying the
ice caps?


$27 TRILLION to pay for Kyoto

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Feb 7, 2012, 12:57:43 PM2/7/12
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On Feb 7, 11:00 am, Barbarian Mutual
<barbarianfinancialservi...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> The Wall Street Journal Nov 2, 2009
>
> Mr. Thomas Donohue, president of the US Chamber of Commerce... On
> climate
> change, "Mr. Donohue's group says warmer temperatures could help
> reduce
> deaths related to cold weather..."
>
> --http://online.wsj.com/article/SB125685614562317127.html
>
> Anything worse than this??  Why not address how CO2 is destroying the
> ice caps?

You mean "melting the ice?"

Ramon F. Herrera

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Feb 7, 2012, 1:07:41 PM2/7/12
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On Feb 7, 11:57 am, "$27 TRILLION to pay for Kyoto"
-RFH

Tunderbar

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Feb 7, 2012, 2:11:42 PM2/7/12
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On Feb 7, 10:00 am, Barbarian Mutual
<barbarianfinancialservi...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> The Wall Street Journal Nov 2, 2009
>
> Mr. Thomas Donohue, president of the US Chamber of Commerce... On
> climate
> change, "Mr. Donohue's group says warmer temperatures could help
> reduce
> deaths related to cold weather..."
>
> --http://online.wsj.com/article/SB125685614562317127.html
>
> Anything worse than this??  Why not address how CO2 is destroying the
> ice caps?

The ice caps? What ice caps? These ice caps?

http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lpc3jfwizO1r0frx7o1_400.jpg

AGWFacts

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Feb 8, 2012, 12:24:37 PM2/8/12
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On Tue, 7 Feb 2012 08:00:06 -0800 (PST), Barbarian Mutual
<barbarianfina...@yahoo.com> wrote:

> The Wall Street Journal Nov 2, 2009
>
> Mr. Thomas Donohue, president of the US Chamber of Commerce... On climate
> change, "Mr. Donohue's group says warmer temperatures could help reduce
> deaths related to cold weather..."

"... and tripple the deaths related to hot weather (so far)." I
wonder why he forgot to add that part?

> http://online.wsj.com/article/SB125685614562317127.html
>
> Anything worse than this?? Why not address how CO2 is destroying the
> ice caps?

It's the reduction of fresh water that is the most critical life-
threatening problem. The increased temperature could be delt with
if the loss of fresh water wasn't happening.


--
"I'd like the globe to warm another degree or two or three... and CO2 levels
to increase perhaps another 100ppm - 300ppm." -- cato...@sympatico.ca

Transition Zone

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Feb 8, 2012, 12:35:10 PM2/8/12
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On Feb 7, 2:11 pm, Tunderbar <tdcom...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Feb 7, 10:00 am, Barbarian Mutual
>
> <barbarianfinancialservi...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > The Wall Street Journal Nov 2, 2009
>
> > Mr. Thomas Donohue, president of the US Chamber of Commerce... On
> > climate
> > change, "Mr. Donohue's group says warmer temperatures could help
> > reduce
> > deaths related to cold weather..."
>
> > --http://online.wsj.com/article/SB125685614562317127.html
>
> > Anything worse than this??  Why not address how CO2 is destroying the
> > ice caps?
>
> The ice caps? What ice caps?

In a few years that will be true.

BeamMeUpScotty

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Feb 8, 2012, 1:06:12 PM2/8/12
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And Jesus will be in a few years.....


Why should I believe in Global Warming coming more than I should believe
in a religion that says Jesus is coming.

--
A little Liberalism like a little alcohol, can be a good thing but when
either of them take control, they become self destructive.

Tunderbar

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Feb 8, 2012, 12:56:32 PM2/8/12
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On Feb 7, 10:00 am, Barbarian Mutual
<barbarianfinancialservi...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> The Wall Street Journal Nov 2, 2009
>
> Mr. Thomas Donohue, president of the US Chamber of Commerce... On
> climate
> change, "Mr. Donohue's group says warmer temperatures could help
> reduce
> deaths related to cold weather..."
>
> --http://online.wsj.com/article/SB125685614562317127.html
>
> Anything worse than this??  Why not address how CO2 is destroying the
> ice caps?

They're not:

http://igloo.atmos.uiuc.edu/cgi-bin/test/print.sh?fm=02&fd=05&fy=1979&sm=02&sd=05&sy=2012

AGWFacts

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Feb 9, 2012, 12:07:19 PM2/9/12
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On Wed, 08 Feb 2012 13:06:12 -0500, BeamMeUpScotty
<ThenDestro...@blackhole.nebulax.com> wrote:

> Why should I believe in Global Warming coming more than I should
> believe in a religion that says Jesus is coming.

Anyone who believes in either or both is an idiot.

Wally W.

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Feb 9, 2012, 2:38:49 PM2/9/12
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On Thu, 09 Feb 2012 10:07:19 -0700, AGWFacts wrote:

>On Wed, 08 Feb 2012 13:06:12 -0500, BeamMeUpScotty
><ThenDestro...@blackhole.nebulax.com> wrote:
>
>> Why should I believe in Global Warming coming more than I should
>> believe in a religion that says Jesus is coming.
>
>Anyone who believes in either or both is an idiot.


Please construct one statement about AGW that contains no element of
belief.

BeamMeUpScotty

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Feb 9, 2012, 2:52:36 PM2/9/12
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I don't believe you can....

--
When it comes to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness, there is NO
moderation. To do so is to lose the battle before it has begun.

Ray Fischer

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Feb 10, 2012, 1:11:33 AM2/10/12
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Spare us the childish games, denier. The factual evidence is
overwhelming. Only morons and Big Coal shills deny the obvious.

--
Ray Fischer | None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free.
rfis...@sonic.net | Goethe

Wally W.

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Feb 10, 2012, 1:34:32 AM2/10/12
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On 10 Feb 2012 06:11:33 GMT, Ray Fischer wrote:

>Wally W. <ww8...@aim.com> wrote:
>>On Thu, 09 Feb 2012 10:07:19 -0700, AGWFacts wrote:
>>
>>>On Wed, 08 Feb 2012 13:06:12 -0500, BeamMeUpScotty
>>><ThenDestro...@blackhole.nebulax.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Why should I believe in Global Warming coming more than I should
>>>> believe in a religion that says Jesus is coming.
>>>
>>>Anyone who believes in either or both is an idiot.
>>
>>Please construct one statement about AGW that contains no element of
>>belief.
>
>Spare us the childish games, denier. The factual evidence is
>overwhelming. Only morons and Big Coal shills deny the obvious.

With so much material at your disposal, it shouldn't be difficult for
you to produce a statement about global warming that doesn't contain
an element of belief.

1treePetrifiedForestLane

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Feb 10, 2012, 1:49:38 AM2/10/12
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theoretically, Jesus would come -- whether a)
you believed in "global" warming, or b)
you thought that the Holocene interglacial was about to end.

> an element of belief.

thus:
just read in the paper, about the next blast of arctic air,
coming out of Canada; how many records will be set,
in all of N. America (including perhaps Mexico) ??

> In the year 2000, global warming proponents theorized that
> the UK would have no more snow.

thus:
tell us, how much energy is involved?... now,
I believe that HAARP is fueled by Alaskan natural gas, although
it is not "fossilized" per se.

see Morner's re-reanalysis of the sealevel data
(he is the past-president of the intl. organization
that deals with the Quaternary period of glaciation,
viz the Holocene -- "you are/were then" !-)

thus:
this has been mooted for some time,
that several periods in the Holocene were warmer,
than nowsville. also. with regard to models,
GrIS and AnIS have only risen -- according to you-know-whom.

thus: a)
there is no such a thing as a fossilized fuel (TM), and b)
it (biomass) is always being created.

thus:
I didn't write the name of the journal down, but
it seemed perfectly authoritative, and confirms that
Einstein wouldn't even consider the actual results
of the M&M experiment, along with the rest
of you, Einsteinmaniacs.

> > I actually found the same say-so from Einstein,
> > himself, summarily disputing D.C.Miller's paper
> > on this subject, with Miller's data.

> > actually, this was only reported, second-hand,
> > in a journal, by someone who interviewed Einstein,
> > on one of the few ocaissions when he was at his office
> > at Caltech (in Pasadena).

thus:
light has no "corpuscular" qualities, what so ever,
although the phptoelectrical effect is often taken
to be such a ballisitical matter. but, then,
that is what the Nobel cmte. rewarded Einstein, for, and
his mere interpretation of a word, "photon,"
that he happened to have coined,
is of no real importance, any more than "spacetime"
of Minkowski, Feynman et al ad vomitorium.

Gary Forbis

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Feb 10, 2012, 8:45:44 AM2/10/12
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On Feb 8, 10:06 am, BeamMeUpScotty
<ThenDestroyEveryth...@blackhole.nebulax.com> wrote:
> On 2/8/2012 12:35 PM, Transition Zone wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Feb 7, 2:11 pm, Tunderbar <tdcom...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> On Feb 7, 10:00 am, Barbarian Mutual
>
> >> <barbarianfinancialservi...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >>> The Wall Street Journal Nov 2, 2009
>
> >>> Mr. Thomas Donohue, president of the US Chamber of Commerce... On
> >>> climate
> >>> change, "Mr. Donohue's group says warmer temperatures could help
> >>> reduce
> >>> deaths related to cold weather..."
>
> >>> --http://online.wsj.com/article/SB125685614562317127.html
>
> >>> Anything worse than this??  Why not address how CO2 is destroying the
> >>> ice caps?
>
> >> The ice caps? What ice caps?
>
> > In a few years that will be true.
>
> And Jesus will be in a few years.....
>
> Why should I believe in Global Warming coming more than I should believe
> in a religion that says Jesus is coming.

Have you ever seen a car speeding towards another and thought,
"Those cars are going to hit" then watch them hit? Some predictions
have more weight than others. There is something about them that
lend credence to them. Can you say what it is?

Ray Fischer

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Feb 11, 2012, 1:30:45 AM2/11/12
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Not interested in your childish nihilism. If you want to insist that
nothing exists independently of belief then go right ahead. The rest
of us will dismiss you as being a silly twit.

AGWFacts

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Feb 12, 2012, 8:35:00 PM2/12/12
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On Thu, 09 Feb 2012 14:38:49 -0500, Wally W. <ww8...@aim.com>
wrote:
Yes, and it got you very upset. But there is medication that will
help you.


--
"I am not ignorant simply because I choose to believe one
theory over another." -- Madison Murphy

Wally W.

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Feb 12, 2012, 9:33:46 PM2/12/12
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On Sun, 12 Feb 2012 18:35:00 -0700, AGWFacts wrote:

>On Thu, 09 Feb 2012 14:38:49 -0500, Wally W. <ww8...@aim.com>
>wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 09 Feb 2012 10:07:19 -0700, AGWFacts wrote:
>
>> >On Wed, 08 Feb 2012 13:06:12 -0500, BeamMeUpScotty
>> ><ThenDestro...@blackhole.nebulax.com> wrote:
>
>> >> Why should I believe in Global Warming coming more than I should
>> >> believe in a religion that says Jesus is coming.
>
>> >Anyone who believes in either or both is an idiot.
>
>> Please construct one statement about AGW that contains no element of
>> belief.
>
>Yes, and it got you very upset. But there is medication that will
>help you.

Not a very accurate read, "Facts." How do you interpret a simple
request as "very upset?"

Oh, and you didn't provide "one statement about AGW that contains no
element of belief."

Ray Fischer

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Feb 13, 2012, 1:38:40 AM2/13/12
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Wally W. <ww8...@aim.com> wrote:
>On Sun, 12 Feb 2012 18:35:00 -0700, AGWFacts wrote:
>
>>On Thu, 09 Feb 2012 14:38:49 -0500, Wally W. <ww8...@aim.com>
>>wrote:
>>
>>> On Thu, 09 Feb 2012 10:07:19 -0700, AGWFacts wrote:
>>
>>> >On Wed, 08 Feb 2012 13:06:12 -0500, BeamMeUpScotty
>>> ><ThenDestro...@blackhole.nebulax.com> wrote:
>>
>>> >> Why should I believe in Global Warming coming more than I should
>>> >> believe in a religion that says Jesus is coming.
>>
>>> >Anyone who believes in either or both is an idiot.
>>
>>> Please construct one statement about AGW that contains no element of
>>> belief.
>>
>>Yes, and it got you very upset. But there is medication that will
>>help you.
>
>Not a very accurate read, "Facts." How do you interpret a simple
>request as "very upset?"

Your nihilism is childish and an obvious avoidance tactic.

Nobody is impressed.

AGWFacts

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Feb 13, 2012, 12:04:09 PM2/13/12
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On Sun, 12 Feb 2012 21:33:46 -0500, Wally W. <ww8...@aim.com>
wrote:

> On Sun, 12 Feb 2012 18:35:00 -0700, AGWFacts wrote:
>
> >On Thu, 09 Feb 2012 14:38:49 -0500, Wally W. <ww8...@aim.com>
> >wrote:
> >
> >> On Thu, 09 Feb 2012 10:07:19 -0700, AGWFacts wrote:
> >
> >> >On Wed, 08 Feb 2012 13:06:12 -0500, BeamMeUpScotty
> >> ><ThenDestro...@blackhole.nebulax.com> wrote:
> >
> >> >> Why should I believe in Global Warming coming more than I should
> >> >> believe in a religion that says Jesus is coming.
> >
> >> >Anyone who believes in either or both is an idiot.
> >
> >> Please construct one statement about AGW that contains no element of
> >> belief.
> >
> >Yes, and it got you very upset. But there is medication that will
> >help you.

> Not a very accurate read, "Facts." How do you interpret a simple
> request as "very upset?"

No.

> Oh, and you didn't provide "one statement about AGW that contains no
> element of belief."

That is correct: I did not provide one statement showing physics
contains the lack of belief.

Wally W.

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Feb 13, 2012, 2:52:14 PM2/13/12
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On Mon, 13 Feb 2012 10:04:09 -0700, AGWFacts wrote:

>On Sun, 12 Feb 2012 21:33:46 -0500, Wally W. <ww8...@aim.com>
>wrote:
>
>> On Sun, 12 Feb 2012 18:35:00 -0700, AGWFacts wrote:
>>
>> >On Thu, 09 Feb 2012 14:38:49 -0500, Wally W. <ww8...@aim.com>
>> >wrote:
>> >
>> >> On Thu, 09 Feb 2012 10:07:19 -0700, AGWFacts wrote:
>> >
>> >> >On Wed, 08 Feb 2012 13:06:12 -0500, BeamMeUpScotty
>> >> ><ThenDestro...@blackhole.nebulax.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >> >> Why should I believe in Global Warming coming more than I should
>> >> >> believe in a religion that says Jesus is coming.
>> >
>> >> >Anyone who believes in either or both is an idiot.
>> >
>> >> Please construct one statement about AGW that contains no element of
>> >> belief.
>> >
>> >Yes, and it got you very upset. But there is medication that will
>> >help you.
>
>> Not a very accurate read, "Facts." How do you interpret a simple
>> request as "very upset?"
>
>No.

A "How ...?" question isn't answered with a "No."

If English isn't your first language, perhaps you should not be this
month's most frequent poster on alt.global-warming:
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.global-warming/about


>
>> Oh, and you didn't provide "one statement about AGW that contains no
>> element of belief."
>
>That is correct: I did not provide one statement showing physics
>contains the lack of belief.

I didn't ask for a statement about physics.

You said "Anyone who believes in [global warming] is an idiot."

I asked you to "construct one statement about AGW that contains no
element of belief."

You have not substantiated your assertion.

But then, Warmists are given to hand waving. When asked to explain
their hand waving, they change the subject.

Then they have the audacity to call what they do "science."

Sleight of hand is not science.

And it is not entertaining any more.

Get a new schtick. Preferably, one that isn't fraudulent.



Wally W.

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Feb 13, 2012, 2:59:20 PM2/13/12
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On 13 Feb 2012 06:38:40 GMT, Ray Fischer wrote:

>Wally W. <ww8...@aim.com> wrote:
>>On Sun, 12 Feb 2012 18:35:00 -0700, AGWFacts wrote:
>>
>>>On Thu, 09 Feb 2012 14:38:49 -0500, Wally W. <ww8...@aim.com>
>>>wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Thu, 09 Feb 2012 10:07:19 -0700, AGWFacts wrote:
>>>
>>>> >On Wed, 08 Feb 2012 13:06:12 -0500, BeamMeUpScotty
>>>> ><ThenDestro...@blackhole.nebulax.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> >> Why should I believe in Global Warming coming more than I should
>>>> >> believe in a religion that says Jesus is coming.
>>>
>>>> >Anyone who believes in either or both is an idiot.
>>>
>>>> Please construct one statement about AGW that contains no element of
>>>> belief.
>>>
>>>Yes, and it got you very upset. But there is medication that will
>>>help you.
>>
>>Not a very accurate read, "Facts." How do you interpret a simple
>>request as "very upset?"
>
>Your nihilism is childish and an obvious avoidance tactic.

What did I avoid? I asked for a statement. Neither you nor "facts"
seems able to produce a statement which would validate his assertion.


>Nobody is impressed.

More Dawlish disease. Yet another Warmist who claims knowledge of what
*everyone* else thinks.

The mindset couldn't possibly be based in religious fervor, could it?

Ray Fischer

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Feb 15, 2012, 1:26:10 AM2/15/12
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Wally W. <ww8...@aim.com> wrote:
>On 13 Feb 2012 06:38:40 GMT, Ray Fischer wrote:
>
>>Wally W. <ww8...@aim.com> wrote:
>>>On Sun, 12 Feb 2012 18:35:00 -0700, AGWFacts wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Thu, 09 Feb 2012 14:38:49 -0500, Wally W. <ww8...@aim.com>
>>>>wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Thu, 09 Feb 2012 10:07:19 -0700, AGWFacts wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> >On Wed, 08 Feb 2012 13:06:12 -0500, BeamMeUpScotty
>>>>> ><ThenDestro...@blackhole.nebulax.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> >> Why should I believe in Global Warming coming more than I should
>>>>> >> believe in a religion that says Jesus is coming.
>>>>
>>>>> >Anyone who believes in either or both is an idiot.
>>>>
>>>>> Please construct one statement about AGW that contains no element of
>>>>> belief.
>>>>
>>>>Yes, and it got you very upset. But there is medication that will
>>>>help you.
>>>
>>>Not a very accurate read, "Facts." How do you interpret a simple
>>>request as "very upset?"
>>
>>Your nihilism is childish and an obvious avoidance tactic.
>
>What did I avoid?

The truth.

> I asked for a statement.

Or so you believe.
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