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Harry Hope

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Oceans of Acid

By Doug Craig


It may be hard to believe but every gallon of gas we burn puts about
20 pounds of carbon dioxide into the atmosphere.
http://www.fueleconomy.gov/Feg/co2.shtml

Fortunately for us, but not for sea life, about one-fourth of that CO2
finds its way into the ocean.

The ocean, in fact, is the most important reason global warming is not
worse than it is.

The seas of our watery planet serve as a vital "sink," absorbing CO2
from the atmosphere like a sponge.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carbon_sink

When carbon dioxide combines with seawater, it forms carbonic acid
which "acidifies the water", according to the latest issue of Science
Illustrated. http://www.scienceillustrated.com/about.html

ScienceDaily reported back in February, "It is well established among
researchers that the uptake of increased amounts of carbon dioxide
will make ocean water more acidic as the gas dissolves to create
carbonic acid."
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/02/090201124553.htm


"Since the late 1980s, researchers...have recorded an overall drop in
the pH of the oceans from 8.16 to 8.05."


As our oceans become more acidic, it hampers the ability of many
marine organisms to from "calcium carbonate shells and skeletonal
structures."

You can see how this works by putting a piece of chalk or calcium
carbonate into a mild acid like vinegar and watch it dissolve.

James Orr of the Marine Environment Laboratories said, "The chemistry
is so fundamental and changes so rapid and severe that impacts on
organisms appear unavoidable. The questions are now how bad will it be
and how soon will it happen."

Emphasizing the urgency of this concern, more than 150 leading marine
scientists from 26 countries released the Monaco Declaration last
January "calling for immediate action by policy-makers to sharply
reduce CO2 emissions so as to avoid widespread and severe damage to
marine ecosystems from ocean acidification."
http://ioc3.unesco.org/oanet/OAdocs/SPM-lorezv2.pdf

This statement was based on the conclusions of participants at the 2nd
international symposium on The Ocean in a High-CO2 World held in
October of 2008 at the Oceanography Museum of Monaco.
http://ioc3.unesco.org/oanet/index.html

"The meeting brought together 220 scientists from 32 countries to
assess what is known about ocean acidification impacts on marine
chemistry and ecosystems, and to address the socio-economic and policy
perspectives of these impacts."

The statement said:

� Within decades, the chemistry of the tropical oceans will not
sustain coral reef growth while large parts of the polar oceans will
become corrosive to calcareous marine organisms. These far-reaching
changes will impact food webs, biodiversity and fisheries.

� Ocean acidity has increased by 30% since the beginning of the
Industrial Revolution.

� If the concentration of atmospheric CO2 continues to increase at the
current rate, the ocean will become corrosive to the shells of many
marine organisms by the end of this century. How or if marine
organisms may adapt is not known.

� This increase is 100 times faster than any change in acidity
experienced by marine organisms for at least the last 20 million
years.

� Sixty-five million years ago, ocean acidification was linked to mass
extinctions of calcareous marine organisms, an integral part of the
marine food web. At that time, coral reefs disappear from the geologic
record and it took millions of years for coral reefs to recover.

� Observations collected over the last 25 years show consistent trends
of increasing acidity in surface waters that follow increasing
atmospheric CO2.

� Ocean acidification is a direct result of CO2 emissions, not climate
change. While climate change and its impacts have significant
uncertainties, the chemical changes occurring in the ocean as a result
of increasing atmospheric CO2 are observable now and highly
predictable into the future.

___________________________________________________

Harry

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Harry Hope wrote:

>
> http://blogs.redding.com/dcraig/archives/2009/12/oceans-of-acid.html
>
> Oceans of Acid
>
> By Doug Craig
>
>
> It may be hard to believe but every gallon of gas we burn puts about
> 20 pounds of carbon dioxide into the atmosphere.
> http://www.fueleconomy.gov/Feg/co2.shtml


Nope - its fixed by plants and planktons almost immediately.
CO2 is such a rare gas it makes up less than 0.05% of the
total gas on the planet. Why - because plants and marine
planktons absorb it and fix it immediately.

All the oil from all the tankers in the past hundred years
would not amount to 1 cubic mile of CO2. And yet there
are millions of cubic miles of CO2 locked up in sediments,
rocks, plants and sea. And 99.99% of that CO2 came from
volcanoes, fires and decay processes.

There is no way to change any of that.

Giga

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Jan 3, 2010, 6:07:59 PM1/3/10
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snip mind poisons:


Michael Dobony

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Jan 3, 2010, 6:08:35 PM1/3/10
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yes there is, hide the data. The AGW'ers are very good at that.

Unum

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On 1/3/2010 2:58 PM, 7 wrote:
> Harry Hope wrote:
>
>>
>> http://blogs.redding.com/dcraig/archives/2009/12/oceans-of-acid.html
>>
>> Oceans of Acid
>>
>> By Doug Craig
>>
>>
>> It may be hard to believe but every gallon of gas we burn puts about
>> 20 pounds of carbon dioxide into the atmosphere.
>> http://www.fueleconomy.gov/Feg/co2.shtml
>
>
> Nope - its fixed by plants and planktons almost immediately.
> CO2 is such a rare gas it makes up less than 0.05% of the
> total gas on the planet. Why - because plants and marine
> planktons absorb it and fix it immediately.

No they don't. Who told you that?

> All the oil from all the tankers in the past hundred years
> would not amount to 1 cubic mile of CO2. And yet there

Bullshit. Mankind consumes more than a cubic mile of oil alone each
year and that doesn't count the coal, the deforestation, the production
of cement, etc, etc.

> are millions of cubic miles of CO2 locked up in sediments,
> rocks, plants and sea. And 99.99% of that CO2 came from
> volcanoes, fires and decay processes.

Be nice if it would all stay there wouldn't it.

> There is no way to change any of that.

Some of us seem to be trying to change it as hard as we can.

Green Turtle

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"Harry Hope" <riv...@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message
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>
> http://blogs.redding.com/dcraig/archives/2009/12/oceans-of-acid.html
>
> Oceans of Acid
>
> By Doug Craig
>
>
> It may be hard to believe but every gallon of gas we burn puts about
> 20 pounds of carbon dioxide into the atmosphere.
> http://www.fueleconomy.gov/Feg/co2.shtml
>

Well, in fact, walking produces more co2 then driving. So, if you want to
reduce your co2 footprint, then you should drive, especially if you have 2
passengers in your car.

Super Turtle

Last Post

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Jan 3, 2010, 10:20:09 PM1/3/10
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On Jan 3, 6:55 pm, Unum <non...@yourbusiness.com> wrote:
> On 1/3/2010 2:58 PM, 7 wrote:

>
> > Nope - its fixed by plants and planktons almost immediately.
> > CO2 is such a rare gas it makes up less than 0.05% of the
> > total gas on the planet. Why - because plants and marine
> > planktons absorb it and fix it immediately.
>
> No they don't. Who told you that?

• It's a fact get used to it fool

> Bullshit.

• Bullshit yourself, fool

> Mankind consumes more than a cubic mile of oil alone each
> year and that doesn't count the coal, the deforestation, the production
> of cement, etc, etc.

• So what!! We need all the CO2 we can get.
The greater the population the the more we
need CO2. Photosynthetic organisms convert
around 100,000,000,000 tonnes of carbon
into biomass per year


>
> > are millions of cubic miles of CO2 locked up in sediments,
> > rocks, plants and sea. And 99.99% of that CO2 came from
> > volcanoes, fires and decay processes.

• Methane comes from decaying processes

• Tyndall, in the lab, proved that CO2 will absorb

    radiative energy. He also proved H2O will not.

    Now all of the atmospheric CO2 arises from

    warm waters embedded in H2O (call it carbonic
    acid gas) and carried upward where it forms 
 
  clouds. So how could that CO2 store sunlight. 
   

• When a cloud bank meets a cold front we get

    precip, rain or snow or ..., and when the precip
    hits the deck it becomes fertilizer.

    Every year 100,000,000,000 tonnes of CO2 is

    converted by photosynthesis into biomass.
    That includes everything you eat— your coffee,

    the sugar and cream, toast etc etc.

• The reality is that "global warming" is a myth

    and does not exist. On the other hand 
 
  "Climate Change" is functioning as it has for 5

    million years or more.

I M @ good guy

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Jan 4, 2010, 12:15:27 AM1/4/10
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On Sun, 03 Jan 2010 15:45:54 -0500, Harry Hope <riv...@ix.netcom.com>
wrote:


I wonder how much lime is leached into the
oceans, my city water seems to deposit about an
ounce of lime around the electrodes of my Vicks
vaporizer/humidifier for each 10 gallons evaporated.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lime_water


Read about the pH of lime water H. hopeless.

Are the media articles on ocean pH written
by people who have little knowledge of the
chemistry of lime and all the carbonates and
hydrogen ions and oxide reactions?

Bret Cahill

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Jan 4, 2010, 12:19:03 AM1/4/10
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> http://blogs.redding.com/dcraig/archives/2009/12/oceans-of-acid.html
>
> Oceans of Acid
>
> By Doug Craig
>
> It may be hard to believe but every gallon of gas we burn puts about
> 20 pounds of carbon dioxide into the atmosphere.http://www.fueleconomy.gov/Feg/co2.shtml

>
> Fortunately for us, but not for sea life, about one-fourth of that CO2
> finds its way into the ocean.
>
> The ocean, in fact, is the most important reason global warming is not
> worse than it is.
>
> The seas of our watery planet serve as a vital "sink," absorbing CO2
> from the atmosphere like a sponge.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carbon_sink

>
> When carbon dioxide combines with seawater, it forms carbonic acid
> which "acidifies the water", according to the latest issue of Science
> Illustrated.http://www.scienceillustrated.com/about.html

>
> ScienceDaily reported back in February, "It is well established among
> researchers that the uptake of increased amounts of carbon dioxide
> will make ocean water more acidic as the gas dissolves to create
> carbonic acid."http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/02/090201124553.htm
>
> "Since the late 1980s, researchers...have recorded an overall drop in
> the pH of the oceans from 8.16 to 8.05."
>
> As our oceans become more acidic, it hampers the ability of many
> marine organisms to from "calcium carbonate shells and skeletonal
> structures."
>
> You can see how this works by putting a piece of chalk or calcium
> carbonate into a mild acid like vinegar and watch it dissolve.
>
> James Orr of the Marine Environment Laboratories said, "The chemistry
> is so fundamental and changes so rapid and severe that impacts on
> organisms appear unavoidable. The questions are now how bad will it be
> and how soon will it happen."
>
> Emphasizing the urgency of this concern, more than 150 leading marine
> scientists from 26 countries released the Monaco Declaration last
> January "calling for immediate action by policy-makers to sharply
> reduce CO2 emissions so as to avoid widespread and severe damage to
> marine ecosystems from ocean acidification."http://ioc3.unesco.org/oanet/OAdocs/SPM-lorezv2.pdf
>
> This statement was based on the conclusions of participants at the 2nd
> international symposium on The Ocean in a High-CO2 World held in
> October of 2008 at the Oceanography Museum of Monaco.http://ioc3.unesco.org/oanet/index.html

Bret Cahill

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Jan 4, 2010, 12:23:24 AM1/4/10
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On Jan 3, 6:17 pm, "Green Turtle" <SuperTur...@greenpiece.com> wrote:
> "Harry Hope" <riv...@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message
>
> news:2vv1k5ldbk38b2c78...@4ax.com...
>
>
>
> >http://blogs.redding.com/dcraig/archives/2009/12/oceans-of-acid.html
>
> > Oceans of Acid
>
> > By Doug Craig
>
> > It may be hard to believe but every gallon of gas we burn puts about
> > 20 pounds of carbon dioxide into the atmosphere.
> >http://www.fueleconomy.gov/Feg/co2.shtml
>
> Well, in fact, walking produces more co2 then driving.

You can walk 20 miles and put out less CO2 than a Prius which needs
3/8th gallon of fuel.

> So, if you want to
> reduce your co2 footprint, then you should drive, especially if you have 2
> passengers in your car.

Maybe a public bus could compete.


Bret Cahill


terry

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Jan 4, 2010, 12:54:12 AM1/4/10
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=====================================================

Anybody see that experiment?

Two identical containers one filled with regular atmospheric air and
one with CO2 were subjected for the same period of time to the same
sunlight.

After the time period thermometers in each container showed that CO2
had absorbed more heat from the sun than atmospheric air.

Now this was not a precise measurement experiment and it did not
calibrate to what degree an increased amount of CO2 in an atmosphere
of mainly air, would cause more heating. But it showed the basic
principle that CO2 does absorb more heat from suns rays.

And of course if forests (and other plants) get cut down and/or more
CO2 is put into the environment the 'balance of nature' between the
two will be upset and might/will eventually go off the scale to the
point where it may be impossible or very difficult and/or costly to
bring back into balance.

More deserts, less food, disruption of water
supplies .................. etc. are possible consequences. e.g. Lakes
and streams as different as Lake Baikal (Russia) and the Dead Sea,
drying up? Weirder weather patterns. Arctic ice melting, Glaciers
retreating ......... ??? All may be proof that 'something' IS
happening to the world's climate?

I M @ good guy

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Jan 4, 2010, 12:54:42 AM1/4/10
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On Sun, 03 Jan 2010 20:58:14 GMT, 7
<website_...@www.enemygadgets.com> wrote:


Please explain the "all the oil from all
the tankers in the past 100 years".


SaPeIsMa

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"terry" <tsan...@nf.sympatico.ca> wrote in message
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#
# Anybody see that experiment?
#

Which experiment is that ?

# Two identical containers one filled with regular atmospheric air and
# one with CO2 were subjected for the same period of time to the same
# sunlight.
#
# After the time period thermometers in each container showed that CO2
# had absorbed more heat from the sun than atmospheric air.
#
# Now this was not a precise measurement experiment and it did not
# calibrate to what degree an increased amount of CO2 in an atmosphere
# of mainly air, would cause more heating. But it showed the basic
# principle that CO2 does absorb more heat from suns rays.

So what you're saying is that in an ARIFICIAL environement where only CO2
and air exist, the CO2 container MIGHT hold more heat than the the onw
without CO2.
And as the caveat states, this little "lab experiment" that is disconnected
from the real world, seemed to indicate that IN THE LAB, UNDER LAB
conditions, the CO2 MAYBE absorbed more heat than the other container

And then the idiots go into SPECULATION MODE and stupidly project that this
must be true for the planet while ignoring the fact that there are all kinds
of living organisms that suck up CO2 like it was going out of FASHION, while
trying to claim (UNESTABLISHED) CAUSALITY between the presence of CO2 and
heat absorption.


# And of course if forests (and other plants) get cut down and/or more
# CO2 is put into the environment the 'balance of nature' between the
# two will be upset and might/will eventually go off the scale to the
# point where it may be impossible or very difficult and/or costly to
# bring back into balance.

LOL
And naturally, you claim that a specific "point of balance", is the ONLY
VALID "point of balance" and everything must be done to STAY at that "point
of balance", all the while ignoring the historical data showing a WHOLE SLEW
of OTHER "points of balance", MANY of which were with MUCH HIGHER levels of
CO2


#
# More deserts, less food, disruption of water supplies
# .................. etc. are possible consequences.

PURE SPECULATION NOT BASED ON ANY DATA
In other words, PURE FUD

# e.g. Lakes and streams as different as Lake Baikal (Russia)
# and the Dead Sea drying up?

LOL
You had also better educate yourself about lake Baikal and the Dead Sea
before you spout knowledge
(Free hing for the ignorant, Geology)


# Weirder weather patterns.

What werid weather patterns
Take as many screens as you need

# Arctic ice melting,

Yup
Melts every summer, reforms every winter
And there are HUGE variations recorded of Arctic ice thickness that debunk
completely the claim that recent changes are AGW caused

# Glaciers retreating ......... ???

Yup
They retreat and then re-form.
And they do it on a very different time scale that is decades behind the
changes in weather or climate changes

# All may be proof that 'something' IS happening to the world's climate?

Key words..
"'may be"
That's only corelation at best
You have your job cut out to prove CAUSATION
Until then you had better avoid FUD to retain some credibility


7

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Jan 4, 2010, 3:34:57 PM1/4/10
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Unum wrote:

> On 1/3/2010 2:58 PM, 7 wrote:
>> Harry Hope wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> http://blogs.redding.com/dcraig/archives/2009/12/oceans-of-acid.html
>>>
>>> Oceans of Acid
>>>
>>> By Doug Craig
>>>
>>>
>>> It may be hard to believe but every gallon of gas we burn puts about
>>> 20 pounds of carbon dioxide into the atmosphere.
>>> http://www.fueleconomy.gov/Feg/co2.shtml
>>
>>
>> Nope - its fixed by plants and planktons almost immediately.
>> CO2 is such a rare gas it makes up less than 0.05% of the
>> total gas on the planet. Why - because plants and marine
>> planktons absorb it and fix it immediately.
>
> No they don't. Who told you that?


So whats holding you from revealing your AGW version of truth?

I need a good laugh!


>> All the oil from all the tankers in the past hundred years
>> would not amount to 1 cubic mile of CO2. And yet there
>
> Bullshit. Mankind consumes more than a cubic mile of oil alone


My figure is wrong because that was based on oil tankers moving
oil around which doesn't paint the full picture.

I check from published figures - it is less than half a cubic mile
per year for the entire planet.

A complete pittance if you must know by any standard
because vegetation alone fixes billions of tons and then there
are even more trillions of tons that get fixed by ocean
born algae and planktons.

> each
> year and that doesn't count the coal, the deforestation, the production
> of cement, etc, etc.
>
>> are millions of cubic miles of CO2 locked up in sediments,
>> rocks, plants and sea. And 99.99% of that CO2 came from
>> volcanoes, fires and decay processes.
>
> Be nice if it would all stay there wouldn't it.


They do stay there. And have stayed there for millions of years.


>> There is no way to change any of that.
>
> Some of us seem to be trying to change it as hard as we can.


Then you are determined to destroy the Earth with your
fake science and it is justified to call you an eco-terrorist.

leona...@gmail.com

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On Jan 4, 12:54 am, terry <tsanf...@nf.sympatico.ca> wrote:
> On Jan 4, 12:20 am, Last Post <last_p...@primus.ca> wrote:
> > > On 1/3/2010 2:58 PM, 7 wrote:
>
> > > > Nope - its fixed by plants and planktons almost immediately.
> > > > CO2 is such a rare gas it makes up less than 0.05% of the
> > > > total gas on the planet. Why - because plants and marine
> > > > planktons absorb it and fix it immediately.
>
• It's a fact get used to it fool
>
• So what!! We need all the CO2 we can get.
    The greater the population the the more we
    need CO2. Photosynthetic organisms convert
    around 100,000,000,000 tonnes of carbon
    into biomass per year

• Methane comes from decaying processes

• Tyndall, in the lab, proved that CO2 will absorb

    radiative energy. He also proved H2O will not.

    Now all of the atmospheric CO2 arises from

    warm waters embedded in H2O (call it carbonic
    acid gas) and carried upward where it forms 
 
    clouds. So how could that CO2 store sunlight. 
   

• When a cloud bank meets a cold front we get

    precip, rain or snow or ..., and when the precip
    hits the deck it becomes fertilizer.

    Every year 100,000,000,000 tonnes of CO2 is

    converted by photosynthesis into biomass.
    That includes everything you eat— your coffee,

    the sugar and cream, toast etc etc.

• The reality is that "global warming" is a myth

    and does not exist. On the other hand 
 
   "Climate Change" is functioning as it has for 5

    million years or more.

Anybody see that experiment?
>
> Two identical containers one filled with regular atmospheric air and
> one with CO2 were subjected for the same period of time to the same
> sunlight.
>
> After the time period thermometers in each container showed that CO2
> had absorbed more heat from the sun than atmospheric air.
>
> Now this was not a precise measurement experiment and it did not
> calibrate to what degree an increased amount of CO2 in an atmosphere
> of mainly air, would cause more heating. But it showed the basic
> principle that CO2 does absorb more heat from suns rays.

•See Tyndal (above)

— —
| In real science the burden of proof is always
| on the proposer, never on the sceptics. So far
| neither IPCC nor anyone else has provided one
| iota of valid data for global warming nor have
| they provided data that climate change is being
| effected by commerce and industry, and not by
| natural phenomena

Claudius Denk

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Yes, very basic.


>
> And of course if forests (and other plants) get cut down and/or more
> CO2 is put into the environment the 'balance of nature' between the
> two will be upset and might/will eventually go off the scale to the
> point where it may be impossible or very difficult and/or costly to
> bring back into balance.

Speculative. There is no evidence of this.

> More deserts, less food, disruption of water
> supplies .................. etc. are possible consequences. e.g. Lakes
> and streams as different as Lake Baikal (Russia) and the Dead Sea,
> drying up? Weirder weather patterns. Arctic ice melting, Glaciers
> retreating ......... ??? All may be proof that  'something' IS
> happening to the world's climate?

Proof?

Unum

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Jan 4, 2010, 6:50:49 PM1/4/10
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On 1/4/2010 2:34 PM, 7 wrote:
> Unum wrote:
>
>> On 1/3/2010 2:58 PM, 7 wrote:
>>> Harry Hope wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> http://blogs.redding.com/dcraig/archives/2009/12/oceans-of-acid.html
>>>>
>>>> Oceans of Acid
>>>>
>>>> By Doug Craig
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> It may be hard to believe but every gallon of gas we burn puts about
>>>> 20 pounds of carbon dioxide into the atmosphere.
>>>> http://www.fueleconomy.gov/Feg/co2.shtml
>>>
>>>
>>> Nope - its fixed by plants and planktons almost immediately.
>>> CO2 is such a rare gas it makes up less than 0.05% of the
>>> total gas on the planet. Why - because plants and marine
>>> planktons absorb it and fix it immediately.
>>
>> No they don't. Who told you that?
>
>
> So whats holding you from revealing your AGW version of truth?
>
> I need a good laugh!

Admitted you were wrong; duly noted. Or you lied.

>>> All the oil from all the tankers in the past hundred years
>>> would not amount to 1 cubic mile of CO2. And yet there
>>
>> Bullshit. Mankind consumes more than a cubic mile of oil alone
>
>
> My figure is wrong because that was based on oil tankers moving
> oil around which doesn't paint the full picture.

Come back when you can put a coherent thought together.

> I check from published figures - it is less than half a cubic mile
> per year for the entire planet.

Oh really? Sounds like another lie to me, cite your source.

> A complete pittance if you must know by any standard
> because vegetation alone fixes billions of tons and then there
> are even more trillions of tons that get fixed by ocean
> born algae and planktons.

So now it goes from 1 cubic mile per hundred years to 1/2 cubic mile
per year. Keep fishing. And tell us, if there is all this 'fixing' going
on why is there any CO2 in the atmosphere at all?

>> each
>> year and that doesn't count the coal, the deforestation, the production
>> of cement, etc, etc.
>>
>>> are millions of cubic miles of CO2 locked up in sediments,
>>> rocks, plants and sea. And 99.99% of that CO2 came from
>>> volcanoes, fires and decay processes.
>>
>> Be nice if it would all stay there wouldn't it.
>
>
> They do stay there. And have stayed there for millions of years.

Except for all the oil, coal, natural gas, etc that we are digging up
and burning into the atmosphere right?

>>> There is no way to change any of that.
>>
>> Some of us seem to be trying to change it as hard as we can.
>
>
> Then you are determined to destroy the Earth with your
> fake science and it is justified to call you an eco-terrorist.

Ya think?

7

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Unum wrote:

> On 1/4/2010 2:34 PM, 7 wrote:
>> Unum wrote:
>>
>>> On 1/3/2010 2:58 PM, 7 wrote:
>>>> Harry Hope wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> http://blogs.redding.com/dcraig/archives/2009/12/oceans-of-acid.html
>>>>>
>>>>> Oceans of Acid
>>>>>
>>>>> By Doug Craig
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> It may be hard to believe but every gallon of gas we burn puts about
>>>>> 20 pounds of carbon dioxide into the atmosphere.
>>>>> http://www.fueleconomy.gov/Feg/co2.shtml
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Nope - its fixed by plants and planktons almost immediately.
>>>> CO2 is such a rare gas it makes up less than 0.05% of the
>>>> total gas on the planet. Why - because plants and marine
>>>> planktons absorb it and fix it immediately.
>>>
>>> No they don't. Who told you that?
>>
>>
>> So whats holding you from revealing your AGW version of truth?
>>
>> I need a good laugh!
>
> Admitted you were wrong; duly noted. Or you lied.

Look in the mirror fool!


>>>> All the oil from all the tankers in the past hundred years
>>>> would not amount to 1 cubic mile of CO2. And yet there
>>>
>>> Bullshit. Mankind consumes more than a cubic mile of oil alone
>>
>>
>> My figure is wrong because that was based on oil tankers moving
>> oil around which doesn't paint the full picture.
>
> Come back when you can put a coherent thought together.
>
>> I check from published figures - it is less than half a cubic mile
>> per year for the entire planet.
>
> Oh really? Sounds like another lie to me, cite your source.

Easy - you take all the oil consumed per annum and calculate the fraction
burned to produce CO2 and bob is your uncle.

Half cubic mile per year. Even if I give you 1 or 2 cubic miles,
it utter disaster for global warmers. A forest can fix
that amount in less than a year. Each major volcano can put out more
than that in a year and there are thousands of volcanoes.

>> A complete pittance if you must know by any standard
>> because vegetation alone fixes billions of tons and then there
>> are even more trillions of tons that get fixed by ocean
>> born algae and planktons.
>
> So now it goes from 1 cubic mile per hundred years to 1/2 cubic mile
> per year. Keep fishing. And tell us, if there is all this 'fixing' going
> on why is there any CO2 in the atmosphere at all?


So it goes on and up up and UP,
but NEVER EVER TO GET EVEN CLOSE to the amounts
needed for changing global temperature by a measurable amount
because CO2 is less than 0.05% and water vapor
is still carrying more than 99% of all heat around
the planet.

erschro...@gmail.com

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Didn't you see the calculation I posted?

1 cubic mile of CO2 is 4 X 10^12 liters. That's 2 X 10^11 moles of
CO2 at STP. That's 9 X 10^12 grams of CO2. That's 2 X 10^10 lb of
CO2. One gallon of gasoline makes 20 lb of CO2, so that would require
1 X 10^9 gallons of gas (1 billion gallons). We get a gallon of gas
from 2 gallons of oil, so we're at 2 X 10^9 gallons of oil, which
works out to 50 million barrels of oil. The US uses 19 million
barrels per day, so this is 3 days worth of US oil use.

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