world's current largest geothermal station The Geysers; #38 Earth's Energy Future
Archimedes Plutonium
and to drill nearby Volcanoes to make what I deem as the conventional
geothermal power stations so as to save on drilling costs. A country
like
Denmark can build its own geothermal power station but they would
incur deep drilling costs. So my idea is
to use Volcanoes since the heat of the center of Earth
is more readily available and drilling is not expensive.
Now I was guessing that California would likely have the world's
largest existing Geothermal Power Station and true to form it is the
"The Geysers" north of San
Francisco. And one thing surprizing is that they use the stations to
take care of municipal wastes.
--- quoting Wikipedia on the world's largest geothermal
power station presently in existence ---
The Geysers
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
The West Ford Flat power plant is one of 21 power plants at The
Geysers
The Geysers, a geothermal power field located 72 miles (116 km) north
of San Francisco, California, is the largest geothermal development in
the world. It was here that Pacific Gas and Electric began operation
of the first successful geothermal electric power plant in the United
States in 1960.[1] The original turbine lasted for more than 30 years
and produced 11 MW net power.[2] The Geysers has 1517 megawatt (MW)[3]
of active installed capacity with an average capacity factor of 63%.
[4] Calpine Corporation owns 15 of the 18 active plants in the Geysers
and is currently the United States' largest producer of geothermal
energy.[5] Two other plants are owned jointly by the Northern
California Power Agency and the City of Santa Clara's municipal
Electric Utility (now called Silicon Valley Power). The remaining
Bottle Rock Power plant owned by the US Renewables Group has only
recently been reopened.[6] A nineteenth plant is now under development
by Ram Power, formerly Western Geopower. Since the activities of one
geothermal plant affects those nearby, the consolidation plant
ownership at The Geysers has been beneficial because the plants
operate cooperatively instead of in their own short-term interest. The
Geysers is now recharged by injecting treated sewage effluent from the
City of Santa Rosa and the Lake County sewage treatment plant. This
sewage effluent used to be dumped into rivers and streams and is now
piped to the geothermal field where it replenishes the steam produced
for power generation.
Contents
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1 Description
2 History
3 Future
4 See also
5 References
6 External links
[edit] Description
The Geysers geothermal development spans an area of around 30 square
miles (78 km²) in Sonoma and Lake counties in California, located in
the Mayacamas Mountains. Power from The Geysers provides electricity
to Sonoma, Lake, Mendocino, Marin, and Napa counties. It is estimated
that the development meets 60 percent of the power demand for the
coastal region between the Golden Gate Bridge and the Oregon state
line.[7]
--- end quoting Wikipedia ---
I am trying to reevaluate whether to send Hawaii Geothermal to the
continental USA via underocean
transmission lines.
I was wondering if there is alot of electricity involved in
making Lithium Batteries and whether lithium recycling of batteries is
electricity intensive industry. So that since Hawaii is the world's
largest site of unlimited energy from the Earth, so to speak, Hawaii
is the richest single piece of land on Earth for Energy.
So I was thinking that since Hawaii is out in the middle of the ocean
that it would be better to harness the geothermal and make electricity
and with it, to electrolysis of ocean water to make Hydrogen and Oxgen
gases and to base the entire world's battery manufacturing there in
Hawaii. So that planet Earth no longer has petroleum tankers because
humanity no longer will need petrol when geothermal electricity is so
abundant. That we use Hawaii to manufacture most every battery and to
recycle old spent lithium batteries by shipping them to Hawaii and to
refurbish the lithium into new lithium batteries.
So my vision of the future say in year 2109 is that there are only
electric cars on roads. That petrol is rarely used and if at all in
situations where electricity
cannot function such as airplanes. Where the oceans
have no more oil bearing tankers. Where coal is used
only to extract chemicals for fertilizer or other uses. In this brave
new world, both coal and oil are rarely used.
And planet Earth is run mostly on geothermal electricity with some
solar and wind and hyrdoelectric and a few other renewables. But the
bulk of humanities
electric power of about 95% is geothermal.
I was looking on the map and the only continent that looks like it has
no geothermal is Australia. But maybe they can borrow from New Zealand
since they have alot.
Archimedes Plutonium
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whole entire Universe is just one big atom
where dots of the electron-dot-cloud are galaxies
BradGuth
You and Steven Chu should get a room, because 99.9% of those posting
here are phony/bogus at best, and otherwise brown-nosed rusemasters
working for Big Energy that wants nothing to do with geothermal or any
renewable options.
~ BG
Maximust
> I am the author of harnessing Volcanoes as geothermal power stations
> and to drill nearby Volcanoes to make what I deem as the conventional
> geothermal power stations so as to save on drilling costs. A country
> like
> Denmark can build its own geothermal power station but they would
> incur deep drilling costs. So my idea is
> to use Volcanoes since the heat of the center of Earth
> is more readily available and drilling is not expensive.
>
> Now I was guessing that California would likely have the world's
> largest existing Geothermal Power Station and true to form it is the
> "The Geysers" north of San
> Francisco. And one thing surprizing is that they use the stations to
> take care of municipal wastes.
The problem of injecting sewage or any water into the volcano is that there is
an unintended plague of earthquakes. Nobody really knows why. I used to live in
Anderson Springs, near several geothermal power plants. Have a look at today's
activity in the upper-left corner of the map:
http://quake.wr.usgs.gov/recenteqs/Maps/SF_Bay.html
Having geothermal power plants in the area also provide little economic benefit
-- the power not being owned locally but by big corporates. Certainly, it is
better than burning fossil fuels.
Archimedes Plutonium
BradGuth wrote:
>
> You and Steven Chu should get a room, because 99.9% of those posting
> here are phony/bogus at best, and otherwise brown-nosed rusemasters
> working for Big Energy that wants nothing to do with geothermal or any
> renewable options.
>
> ~ BG
Well I admire Mr. Chu as the Secretary of Energy because everytime I
have
seen him on TV he abounds with energy and passion for the job. But I
am
afraid that being in a bureacracy of a government quickly wears down
the
"energy" of any secretary, because of all the sideshow nonense that
goes
on in big government.
If I were Secretary of Energy, tomorrow I would call on leading
scientists to
draft a outline by weeks end, stating how fast, optimistically that
Geothermal
can replace all the oil and coal in the USA.
According to the NOVA show "Saved by the Sun" with Solar energy, it
appears
only a few are so optimistic that Solar can have a 20% of all USA
energy by
2025. But I reckon that a panel of leading scientists could easily
"see" that
if the USA plunged headlong into Geothermal, not only geysers but
active
volcanoes, that by 2025, we could in fact replace all of oil and coal
use
with geothermal.
I feel the oil and coal companies will fight every step of the way to
keep
the Geothermal Idea from getting started. The oil and coal companies
know
that Solar, Wind, hydroelectric cannot replace them, but they do fear
that
geothermal can replace them. So be not surprized that already the oil
and coal companies have their lobby stooges out and about fanning
disinformation.
I am somewhat surprized Iceland has not engineered a huge geothermal
power
station, but maybe it is because their country is too small for all
that energy
and that they have not built a transmission line to the rest of
Europe.
I reckon that between Iceland and the volcanoes of Italy are
sufficient to
produce all the electrical energy for Europe and that Europe can begin
to dismantle its coal and oil and gas fired electric stations.
One of the reasons NOVA does not have a Geothermal hour program is
probably
because the oil and coal companies have a stranglehold on such a
program airing.
In that NOVA "saved by the Sun" was said that the Mojave Desert solar
power
station supplied 150,000 homes of electricity and that theoretically
the Mojave
Desert can supply the whole of the USA. Yes, they said the whole of
the USA
by the Mojave Desert if full of solar plants.
So what would a panel of experts say about geothermal supplying all of
the USA?
Would they say that Yellowstone area alone could supply all of the
USA? Provided
we keep the pristine national park with environmentally friendly
stations?
I know of no active volcanoes in the mainland 48 states, but I bet one
of those
Pacific coast volcanoes need only a shallow drilling to tap into hot
lava. And thus,
could California alone provide all the 48 states with geothermal
electricity and no
longer need oil or coal? Of course the airplanes will still need a
liquid fuel, but
perhaps ethanol or some other clean substitute can provide future
airplanes.
Frankly, I do not know why I am the author of Geothermal replacing all
of coal and oil?
For it seems to me that someone else in the 20th century should have
seen this
coming to pass, rather than I myself being the initial author. Maybe
it is because
of my daring leap to say "tame Volcanoes". That anyone in the 20th
century who
said-- "tame volcanoes" would have been dismissed as crackpot. But now
that
Earth (and Heaven) have encountered greenhouse gases and global-
warming, that
the idea of taming volcanoes becomes almost like "why didn't I think
of that" or
comes to "brilliant, since only geothermal is large enough to replace
coal and oil!"
So if I were Mr. Chu, I would quickly assemble a group of leading
scientists who
issue a fact finding treatise or symposium that basically outlines the
huge
potential of Geothermal and how fast it can replace all coal and oil.
And hopefully
the money spent in research will have the lionshare into getting the
USA
onto that total-Geothermal energy.
Archimedes Plutonium
Robert Olin
generation. If the entire nation got it's electricity from this massive
power source, it might bleed off enough heat to prevent it from erupting
again. If it does erupt, it will probably kill hundreds of millions of
people, by covering 1/2 or the US in ash and causing a global winter for
several years. Seems like a no-brainer.
--
Robert Olin
Bob's Water & Septic LLC
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Archimedes Plutonium
Robert Olin wrote:
> Seems the US should be using the Yellowstone Caldera for geothermal power
> generation. If the entire nation got it's electricity from this massive
> power source, it might bleed off enough heat to prevent it from erupting
> again. If it does erupt, it will probably kill hundreds of millions of
> people, by covering 1/2 or the US in ash and causing a global winter for
> several years. Seems like a no-brainer.
>
> --
> Robert Olin
Yes, thanks for the "yes vote", for, as you note, it is commonsense
that Yellowstone
would solve such major problem of electricity supply and also to
ameliorate the
danger Yellowstone threatens. For if it goes off, that is the end of
the USA as a
major power in the world.
But Yellowstone would need a new "rethink" in terms of being a
National Park.
I propose that Yellowstone area be increased by 2X to 4X in total land
size
and to be fenced off, except for a tourist type entrance. In that
manner we can
keep 90% of Yellowstone for the animals there living in the wild and
protected
by the fence from straying outside of Yellowstone, much like in Africa
where the
only feasible safety of animals are in fenced regions.
I firmly believe we can keep the concept of preservation of
Yellowstone National
Park while simultaneously building geothermal electric power stations
throughout
the Yellowstone region that supplies the electricity to probably the
whole of the
48 states.
Perhaps as an added benefit, we can charge for the electricity at a
low rate to
all USA households. And the money to be used in drawing down the USA
debt.
So as an incentive, the govt owns the Yellowstone Power Station and to
thus
benefit all the people and not just some oil or coal company.
So when the Yellowstone Project is put to the people, it has to be
delicately proposed
that keeps the National Park attitude whilst venturing to build power
stations.
I want to be able to hear "wild wolves howling at night" and to see
elk, bison herds
amoung the electric geothermal stations when visiting Yellowstone in
the future.
In the Ken Burns series recently on National Parks it was spoken that
in the early
history of the "park idea of preservation" they used the idea of
visitors, the more and
more visitors is the means of saving and protecting. Well, here I want
to add another
tactic dimension by saying that the benefit of Yellowstone National
Park as a Park
and a Electric Power Station will make the "preservation" of
Yellowstone even that
much more critical for all of the USA in that this one National Park
furnishes every
home with electricity, even if they never travel out to Wyoming, Idaho
and Montana.
And the fencing not only for the security of all the animals inside
but security
of energy from acts of terrorism.
Maximust
That's simply sick.
Archimedes Plutonium
Archimedes Plutonium wrote:
Another feature that is overlooked by almost everyone, is the air
quality or lack of quality
that resides over all the National Parks. Global Warming and
greenhouse gases from
fossil fuel burning mars and blights all the national parks with foul
air. I remember going
to the National Parks out West such as Yellowstone in the 1970s and
the air, taking a deep
breathe felt like the air after a long rain drenching. Nowadays, no
matter where you are in
the USA, taking a deep breathe will only fill your lungs with alot of
air pollution and even
some atoms of mercury from coal fired plants across the USA.
So here is a chance for one National Park-- Yellowstone-- to clean up
the air for all of the
USA by having geothermal stations built on Yellowstone and thus
replacing all the coal and
oil fossil fuel needs. Yellowstone comes to the rescue of the air of
the USA and makes the
air, once again, cleaner.
So what if Yellowstone built electric stations, sure, it may look like
an eyesore to some,
but it saves the air that we all breathe and makes the scenery of all
the other national parks
that much more clear and pristine from the dirty air of the old days.
So in a sense, the Ken Burns series on National Parks, where we had to
"save and preserve
them" that with Yellowstone building power stations, that this one
National Park is going to
turn that leaf around by saving America from its coal and oil
pollution and giving us unlimited
electric energy. Ditto for the Hawaii National Park of its lava flows.
So we saved the National Parks in the past, and now they are returning
the favor by saving
our country of its energy future.
Archimedes Plutonium
In the news tonight was welcomed news that Lisa Jackson of the EPA had
proclaimed that greenhouse gases are a health hazard to the nation and
that
the President can now force standards on industry without needing
Congress to
sit and wait around and do nothing as they usually do nothing. And
this proclamation
by EPA comes just days before the Climate Change Conference in
Copenhagen.
Funny how I thought it was a no brainer that air pollution of
greenhouse gases are
not only warming up the planet but that those pollutions are utterly
harmful to human
heath. I believe that many of the diseases of the 20th century were
due to air pollution
and specifically that of the abundance of the chemical mercury spewn
into the air
we breathe from coal fired electric plants and oil refineries.
And that if we turn to geothermal to replace all oil and coal, that we
clean up the air
of its mercury and that some of these diseases then decline such as
alzheimer's,
parkinson's, prion, schizophrenia, and especially autism.
Now if the EPA were to announce a tighter control over the mercury
filled lamps of
fluorescent lamps were required to pay a large deposit and to be
recycled back to the
store where bought or outright simply banned, then the EPA would be
doing a A++ job.
Also, in one of my posts a few days ago I mentioned the idea that
Obama find a way
to circuit, or to skirt around the Health Care Reform via executive
order and to avoid
congress altogether. So that the EPA is using the Clean Air Act to
make executive
orders on greenhouse gases skirts around congress. In the same manner,
find a
preexisting law to make Health Care Reform an executive order and let
the Congresspeople
yakkity yak all they want.
So a modern USA president should always look first for a way of doing
something
via "executive order" and skirt Congress as much as possible.
For it appears that Congress is more for their party then they are for
the "American people"
and that Congress is seldom for the American people in all their
deliberations. It appears
that the Republican Party has not done one single good deed in the
whole of the year 2009
in Congress. And it is sort of a joke as to which is more broken down
(a) the health care
system or (b) Congress of the USA, for it seems that are broken down
and sick.
So is there some executive order that can skirt around all of Congress
and give us a
new health care system? I remember when Jimmy Carter invoked the
Antiquities Act
to enact the national parks in Alaska. So can Obama invoke the
Antiquities Act by
saying that Congress is too sick and fossilized of a segment of
government and thus a Health Care
Bill is signed into law from executive order? This is why China is
steamrolling ahead of
the USA in terms of gaining world power, because our government takes
years to
settle a problem that should take weeks.