Marine Engineering
lance
Is there any Marine Engineers out there?
If so, what do you think about setting up our own newsgroup?
Lance
Western Australia
Clark Thompson
Lance wrote:
> Is there any Marine Engineers out there?
> If so, what do you think about setting up our own newsgroup?
If you build it, I will come.
Clark Thompson
cc...@worldnet.att.net
William Rourke
lance <la...@enternet.com.au> wrote:
>Is there any Marine Engineers out there?
>If so, what do you think about setting up our own newsgroup?
>Lance
>Western Australia
The Institution of Engineers is stating up the Maritime Engineering
Society of Australia (MARENSA) and it is planned to establish web
pages and a newsgroup early next year.
Hope this might help
Bill Rourke. (one time marine engineer)
Kim Klaka
William Rourke wrote:
>
> lance <la...@enternet.com.au> wrote:
>
> >Is there any Marine Engineers out there?
> >If so, what do you think about setting up our own newsgroup?
>
> >Lance
> >Western Australia
>
sections of IMarE and RINA in Fremantle, but not many are on the internet
yet.
--
Kim Klaka
Regional Manager
Australian Maritime Engineering Cooperative Research Centre (AMECRC)
Curtin University
GPO Box U1987
Perth
Western Australia 6845
phone: 61 9 351 7380
fax: 61 9 351 2377
email: K.K...@amecrc.curtin.edu.au
J.K. Atkinson
Hi.,
Excellent idea, what have you in mind?- news, views, problems/answers?
let's gauge the world-wide response !
In article <32874A...@enternet.com.au>, lance
<la...@enternet.com.au> writes
>Is there any Marine Engineers out there?
>If so, what do you think about setting up our own newsgroup?
>
>Lance
>Western Australia
--
J.K. Atkinson
.
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Wayne Moses
On the subject, Kim Klaka <tkla...@cc.curtin.edu.au> had this to say:
>> lance <la...@enternet.com.au> wrote:
>>
>> >Is there any Marine Engineers out there?
>> >If so, what do you think about setting up our own newsgroup?
> There's a few of us naval architects out here. There's also your local
>sections of IMarE and RINA in Fremantle, but not many are on the internet
>yet.
Er, are we maybe confusing marine engineers with naval architects? Big
difference ... :-)
---
Regards,
Wayne Moses, P.Eng.
wmo...@nbnet.nb.ca
http://www.mis.ca/dialin/wmoses
Gondola Point, NB, CANADA * Fax: (506) 849-2392
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Kim Klaka
several times, and SNAME represents both groups. We here in WA run
several joint seminars for marines and nav archs. also with the ocean
engineers and marine technologists. This is one reason why my
organisation is called maritime engineering - to try and emphasis the
shared interests rather than the differences.
If you smell the waft of a hobby horse, you are right!
J.K. Atkinson
Hi.,
Excellent idea, what have you in mind?- news, views, problems/answers?
let's gauge the world-wide response !
In article <32874A...@enternet.com.au>, lance
<la...@enternet.com.au> writes
>Is there any Marine Engineers out there?
>If so, what do you think about setting up our own newsgroup?
>
>Lance
>Western Australia
--
J.K. Atkinson
.
Turnpike evaluation. For Turnpike information, mailto:in...@turnpike.com
Turnpike evaluation. For information, see http://www.turnpike.com/
susan_d...@mindlink.bc.ca
Okay, I have to admit that i too am confused! To me, marine engineers work on ships
and make them run...
I myself am an ocean engineer, working mostly in marine environmental stuff.
What are IMarE, RINA and SNAME??
Susan Davidson (P.Eng)
Sea Science, Vancouver, BC
ps new software - can't tell if it automatically attached a signature here...
In <328CA5...@cc.curtin.edu.au>, Kim Klaka <tkla...@cc.curtin.edu.au> writes:
>Wayne Moses wrote:
>>
>> On the subject, Kim Klaka <tkla...@cc.curtin.edu.au> had this to say:
>>
>> >> lance <la...@enternet.com.au> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >Is there any Marine Engineers out there?
>> >> >If so, what do you think about setting up our own newsgroup?
>>
Wayne Moses
On the subject, susan_d...@mindlink.bc.ca had this to say:
>Okay, I have to admit that i too am confused! To me, marine engineers work on
> ships
> and make them run...
>I myself am an ocean engineer, working mostly in marine environmental stuff.
>
>What are IMarE, RINA and SNAME??
Okay, I suggest a visit to my home page for a bit of a description on naval
architects and naval architectural engineers.
I also suggest that marine engineers, at least in this neck of the woods,
are mechanical engineers who have an interest in shipboard mechanical
systems such as propulsion and steering, HVAC, and the like. They are not
necesarily shipboard and are different, in general, from the on-board
Ship's engineer in their training. They, however, are concerned with the
same issues on ships. I would defer to a trained marine engineer, however,
for a better definition of what they do. :-)
Naval architects and marine engineers, although related in that they work
on the same product in the design phases (i.e. the ship) and have input
into each other's area of responsibility, are not the same or even closely
related (IMO) as suggested by Kim Klaka in a previous post. Some refer to
naval architects as "marine architects", and in this regard the
similarity, one to the other, exists.
IMarE - Institute of Marine Engineers
RINA - Royal Institution of Naval Architects
SNAME - Society or Naval Architects and Marine Engineers.
Jaye Falls
|> On the subject, susan_d...@mindlink.bc.ca had this to say:
|> >Okay, I have to admit that i too am confused! To me, marine engineers work on
|> > ships
|> > and make them run...
|> >I myself am an ocean engineer, working mostly in marine environmental stuff.
|> >
|> >What are IMarE, RINA and SNAME??
|>
|> Okay, I suggest a visit to my home page for a bit of a description on naval
|> architects and naval architectural engineers.
|>
|> I also suggest that marine engineers, at least in this neck of the woods,
|> are mechanical engineers who have an interest in shipboard mechanical
|> systems such as propulsion and steering, HVAC, and the like. They are not
|> necesarily shipboard and are different, in general, from the on-board
|> Ship's engineer in their training.
snip
|>
|> Naval architects and marine engineers, although related in that they work
|> on the same product in the design phases (i.e. the ship) and have input
|> into each other's area of responsibility, are not the same or even closely
|> related (IMO) as suggested by Kim Klaka in a previous post. Some refer to
|> naval architects as "marine architects", and in this regard the
|> similarity, one to the other, exists.
snip
ok, having a degree as a naval architect/ marine engineer, I can't resist
commenting on this. Most of what Mr.Moses posted is pretty accurate, in that
marine engineers are not the same as shipboard engineers, and have an
interest in the mechanical systems that animate a ship. They differ from
shipboard engineers mostly in that they are trained to design (improve,
optimize, arrange) the machinery systems of a ship instead of operating
and maintaining those systems.
I really believe though, that marine engineers and naval architects are
more closely related than Mr.Moses makes it sound. It is very difficult
for either to do her job competently without having a good grasp of
the fundamentals of both. For instance, how does one design the best ship
for a given mission if you don't understand that certain important (and large)
components of the machinery need to be located carefully with respect to
other items (tanks, pumps, ventilation shafts), various parts of the ship
(accomodation, cargo spaces), and forces of nature (ie, gravity) ??
Similarly, a marine engineer must understand the principles of naval
architecture to design the best systems for a specific ship. I imagine any
mech.E can select a diesel given power requirements, but can they select the
one that meets power requirements, doesn't take up too much space and weight,
and won't throw the entire ship into some resonant harmonic with its vibrations,
thereby causing the unfortunate crew to curse him with their every shaking
breath?
It might be informative to peruse some of the publications of the
various societies that have been mentioned- sname, in particular,
is having its annual convention in canada next year.
Jaye Falls
naval architect/ ocean engineering student
ja...@mit.edu
The Silicon Surfer
lance wrote:
>
> Is there any Marine Engineers out there?
> If so, what do you think about setting up our own newsgroup?
>
> Western Australia
Sign me up
JB
Wayne Moses
On the subject, ja...@athena.mit.edu (Jaye Falls) had this to say:
>ok, having a degree as a naval architect/ marine engineer, I can't resist
>commenting on this. Most of what Mr.Moses posted is pretty accurate, in that
>marine engineers are not the same as shipboard engineers, and have an
>interest in the mechanical systems that animate a ship. They differ from
>shipboard engineers mostly in that they are trained to design (improve,
>optimize, arrange) the machinery systems of a ship instead of operating
>and maintaining those systems.
I have no problem with this.
>I really believe though, that marine engineers and naval architects are
>more closely related than Mr.Moses makes it sound.
Hehehe ... how close is close. How long is a piece of string ...
I said that they were related. That is not at issue. My point was that
they are not the same. They are not "essentially" the same. They are not
"basically" the same.
They are related, and that's all.
>It is very difficult
>for either to do her job competently without having a good grasp of
>the fundamentals of both. For instance, how does one design the best ship
>for a given mission if you don't understand that certain important (and large)
>components of the machinery need to be located carefully with respect to
>other items (tanks, pumps, ventilation shafts), various parts of the ship
>(accomodation, cargo spaces), and forces of nature (ie, gravity) ??
>Similarly, a marine engineer must understand the principles of naval
>architecture to design the best systems for a specific ship. I imagine any
>mech.E can select a diesel given power requirements, but can they select the
>one that meets power requirements, doesn't take up too much space and weight,
>and won't throw the entire ship into some resonant harmonic with its
> vibrations,
>thereby causing the unfortunate crew to curse him with their every shaking
>breath?
I agree 100% with all of the above. It does not disprove my contention,
however.
>It might be informative to peruse some of the publications of the
>various societies that have been mentioned- sname, in particular,
>is having its annual convention in canada next year.
Sounds like a good idea.
Tjalf N. Kuehn
In article <MMKKwCAd...@ALLWORLD.CO.UK>, ke...@ALLWORLD.CO.UK says...
>
>Hi.,
>Excellent idea, what have you in mind?- news, views, problems/answers?
>let's gauge the world-wide response !
>
>In article <32874A...@enternet.com.au>, lance
><la...@enternet.com.au> writes
>>If so, what do you think about setting up our own newsgroup?
>>
>>Lance
>>Western Australia
>
>J.K. Atkinson
>
Excellent idea. I just don't know how to open a new newsgroup.
Tjalf N. Kuehn
bo...@smart.net
You can check out SNAME at www.sname.org
Bob Van Jones, PE
Marine Engineer by training, Nav Arch by title
susan_d...@mindlink.bc.ca wrote:
>Okay, I have to admit that i too am confused! To me, marine engineers work on ships
> and make them run...
>I myself am an ocean engineer, working mostly in marine environmental stuff.
>
>What are IMarE, RINA and SNAME??
>
>Susan Davidson (P.Eng)
>Sea Science, Vancouver, BC
>
>ps new software - can't tell if it automatically attached a signature here...
>
>In <328CA5...@cc.curtin.edu.au>, Kim Klaka <tkla...@cc.curtin.edu.au> writes:
>>Wayne Moses wrote:
>>>
>>> On the subject, Kim Klaka <tkla...@cc.curtin.edu.au> had this to say:
>>>
>>> >> lance <la...@enternet.com.au> wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> >Is there any Marine Engineers out there?
>>> >> >If so, what do you think about setting up our own newsgroup?
>>>
>>> > There's a few of us naval architects out here. There's also your local
>>> >sections of IMarE and RINA in Fremantle, but not many are on the internet
>>> >yet.
>>>
>>> Er, are we maybe confusing marine engineers with naval architects? Big
>>> difference ... :-)
>>>
>>> ---
>>> Regards,
>>> Wayne Moses, P.Eng.
>>> wmo...@nbnet.nb.ca
>>> http://www.mis.ca/dialin/wmoses
>>> Gondola Point, NB, CANADA * Fax: (506) 849-2392
Kim Klaka
Kim Klaka wrote:
>
> Wayne Moses wrote:
> >
> > On the subject, Kim Klaka <tkla...@cc.curtin.edu.au> had this to say:
> >
> > >> lance <la...@enternet.com.au> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> >Is there any Marine Engineers out there?
> > >> >If so, what do you think about setting up our own newsgroup?
> >
> > > There's a few of us naval architects out here. There's also your local
> > >sections of IMarE and RINA in Fremantle, but not many are on the internet
> > >yet.
> >
> > Er, are we maybe confusing marine engineers with naval architects? Big
> > difference ... :-)
> >
>
Well, if nothing else this shown that we have a lot of naval architects
and marine engineers in the newsgroup!
Not very related, but those of you who want to see a piccy of 5 tonnes of
Australian designed and built yachting technology at a pitch angle of 80
degrees (nose dive), check out the October 96 edition of UK mag Yachting
World. I wonder how many cruising designs would have withstood such
mistreatment and carried on sailing? I also wonder how the design load
guidelines used for the structure relate to the real loads in such an
incident.
And don't forget my earlier posting that we have a scholarship available
for a naval architect - a marine engineer would do at a pinch (stirr....)
H G Stephens
As a naval architect & marine engineer, I would be interested is such a
newsgroup.
matg...@aol.com
As a student majoring in Naval Architecture and Marine Engineering I feel
I must also post. I agree that the two are different, but related. My
degree will say NA&ME, but I have notions of being a Marine Engineer. All
the electives I have chosen to take are NA. But my degree would still
allow me to call myself a Marine Engineer....
Kim:
What was the post for a graduate scholarship in NA? I am probably going
to grad school, but looking for the right opertunity...
Matt Garner
(matg...@aol.com)
augusto moggia
I am going to ultimate my degree in naval architecture and marine engineers
and i am looking for more information regarding:
1) LOHMANN NAVILUS gearboxes type GCS 710
2) orientable screw propeller (LIPS) D=4.35 m D/d=1.1
If you could help me, i will really appreciate it.
I hope to hearing from you soon!!
Anthony...@ncl.ac.uk
I study offshore engineering here at newcastle university ..and i hardly
could find any suitable books that deals with the topics of offshore
mechanics,marine dynamics and spectral analysis.In short these books are
very hard to find and even when found, seems not to do much justice to
the above subjects. Could anyone out there suggest where i could find
books that will be appropriate.Even though basic will not compromise the
course content?
Thank you.
Jens Peter Kofoed
For the first topics mentioned I would recommend for ex.
Mechanics of Wave Forces on Offshore Structures, Turgut Sarpkaya,
Michael Isaacson,Van Nostrand Reinhold Company, 1981.
or
Dynamics of offshore structures, James F. Wilson, Editor, Duke
University, 1984.
For a good introduction to spectral analysis, I think the following
could be help:
An introduction to random vibrations and spectral analysis, D. E.
Newland. (Especially chap. 10)
I hope this can help;-)
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Anthony...@ncl.ac.uk wrote:
>
> I study offshore engineering here at newcastle university ..and i hardly
> could find any suitable books that deals with the topics of offshore
> mechanics,marine dynamics and spectral analysis.In short these books are
> very hard to find and even when found, seems not to do much justice to
> the above subjects. Could anyone out there suggest where i could find
> books that will be appropriate.Even though basic will not compromise the
> course content?
> Thank you.
Try- WWW.Amazon.com
Be open minded when using their search engine. Start with "Naval
Architecture". I was relatively impressed, but not sure if the subject
you're looking for will be covered.