The woman that was resqued from the farc/colombian jungle was broadcasted by different television channels.
Among france channel, euro channel, and cnn channel.
However the colors on france and euro channel looked very alive and colorfull... while the cnn colors looked very dull, mate, gray and vague... for example people had green or blue suit on euro channel and it looked near dark/black on cnn channel, other example... dude had like almost pink/beige suit... but it looked vage on cnn channel... like some cheap old suit from the past ;)
It's was exactly the same video but still different colors ?
What causes these different colors ?
My best guess is:
1. CNN compresses the video signal to broadcast it via satelites or so to save money...
2. Or they simply have old/bad equipment ?
3. Or bad settings ???
Dismissed:
0. ntsc<->pal conversion issue's, I similulated this... it doesn't seem to be the case, since this would give even worse color distoration which would definetly be noticeable... unless maybe just maybe some clamping had occured.. but still I think this option can safely be dismissed ?!? ;)
Who can shed some more light on these "cnn color lies" ?
> The woman that was resqued from the farc/colombian jungle was broadcasted > by different television channels.
> Among france channel, euro channel, and cnn channel.
> However the colors on france and euro channel looked very alive and > colorfull... while the cnn colors looked very dull, mate, gray and > vague... for example people had green or blue suit on euro channel and it > looked near dark/black on cnn channel, other example... dude had like > almost pink/beige suit... but it looked vage on cnn channel... like some > cheap old suit from the past ;)
> It's was exactly the same video but still different colors ?
> What causes these different colors ?
> ( snip) > Who can shed some more light on these "cnn color lies" ?
** I understand the image quality is sometimes *deliberately degraded * for commercial reasons related to the use and re-use of copyright news material
> The woman that was resqued from the farc/colombian jungle was broadcasted by > different television channels.
> Among france channel, euro channel, and cnn channel.
> However the colors on france and euro channel looked very alive and > colorfull... while the cnn colors looked very dull, mate, gray and vague... > for example people had green or blue suit on euro channel and it looked near > dark/black on cnn channel, other example... dude had like almost pink/beige > suit... but it looked vage on cnn channel... like some cheap old suit from > the past ;)
> It's was exactly the same video but still different colors ?
> What causes these different colors ?
> My best guess is:
> 1. CNN compresses the video signal to broadcast it via satelites or so to > save money...
> 2. Or they simply have old/bad equipment ?
> 3. Or bad settings ???
> Dismissed:
> 0. ntsc<->pal conversion issue's, I similulated this... it doesn't seem to > be the case, since this would give even worse color distoration which would > definetly be noticeable... unless maybe just maybe some clamping had > occured.. but still I think this option can safely be dismissed ?!? ;)
> Who can shed some more light on these "cnn color lies" ?
> Bye, > Skybuck.
I think the PAL -NTSC theory is probable. PAL video when converted to NTSC requires care on the part of the converter to maintain the proper color hue and intensity. If the person who ran the conversion was not comparing the originial to the converted copy, a loss of color intensity could very well happen..The conversion probably was done in haste, as it was news. In fact, it might not have even been done on broadcast quality equipment. News networks requently have to "make do".. Of course the Euro outlets did not need a color conversion.
On Jul 7, 5:12 pm, "Skybuck Flying" <BloodySh...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> 0. ntsc<->pal conversion issue's, I similulated this... it doesn't seem to > be the case, since this would give even worse color distoration which would > definetly be noticeable... unless maybe just maybe some clamping had > occured.. but still I think this option can safely be dismissed ?!? ;)
I would expect the results would depend a lot on the conversion equipment and settings used, so I don't think you could "simulate" it in a way that would necessarily reflect what goes on upstream of you.
The digital transmission/compression issue is another possibility of course.
Does anyone know if the story about the color TV test setup with the bowl of fruit and some joker painting the banana green is true?
> The woman that was resqued from the farc/colombian jungle was broadcasted by > different television channels.
> Among france channel, euro channel, and cnn channel.
> However the colors on france and euro channel looked very alive and > colorfull... while the cnn colors looked very dull, mate, gray and vague... > for example people had green or blue suit on euro channel and it looked near > dark/black on cnn channel, other example... dude had like almost pink/beige > suit... but it looked vage on cnn channel... like some cheap old suit from > the past ;)
> It's was exactly the same video but still different colors ?
> What causes these different colors ?
> My best guess is:
> 1. CNN compresses the video signal to broadcast it via satelites or so to > save money...
> 2. Or they simply have old/bad equipment ?
> 3. Or bad settings ???
> Dismissed:
> 0. ntsc<->pal conversion issue's, I similulated this... it doesn't seem to > be the case, since this would give even worse color distoration which would > definetly be noticeable... unless maybe just maybe some clamping had > occured.. but still I think this option can safely be dismissed ?!? ;)
> Who can shed some more light on these "cnn color lies" ?
> On Jul 8, 12:12 pm, cs_post...@hotmail.com wrote:
> > Does anyone know if the story about the color TV test setup with the > > bowl of fruit and some joker painting the banana green is true?
> Sorry, blue not green.
I've heard a lot of anecdotes about RCA's attempts to bring color TV to a practical state.. Some of them concern the frustration of color shift, particularly known colors of food, all of which wasn't solved very well for quite a while after NTSC color was deployed. The story you refer to I have never heard. I have heard of some altering of colors in early TV times to cause a picture to look better than it really was. It might have happened. The truth is, when NTSC color got the go ahead in '53, it really wasn't ready to get the job done, and, of course, we all know it got by on wink wink until later.
> On Jul 9, 10:05 am, cs_post...@hotmail.com wrote: > > On Jul 8, 12:12 pm, cs_post...@hotmail.com wrote:
> > > Does anyone know if the story about the color TV test setup with the > > > bowl of fruit and some joker painting the banana green is true?
> > Sorry, blue not green. > I've heard a lot of anecdotes about RCA's attempts to bring color TV > to a practical state.. Some of them concern the frustration of color > shift, particularly known colors of food, all of which wasn't solved > very well for quite a while after NTSC color was deployed. The story > you refer to I have never heard. I have heard of some altering of > colors in early TV times to cause a picture to look better than it > really was. It might have happened. The truth is, when NTSC color got > the go ahead in '53, it really wasn't ready to get the job done, and, > of course, we all know it got by on wink wink until later.
one of the US TV companies asked the BBC to send 100 engineers to help them to get colour working. The BBC offered the services of 2. One of the problems found, as told to me by one of those 2, was the transmission chain went through the 'loop-though' terminals of the video monitors.
But you've misunderstood the situation. The banana was painted blue to utterly fool the vision control engineer (BBC term) who aligned the camera to make it look yellow - with somewhat strange results on normal pictures.
On Wed, 09 Jul 2008 12:20:46 -0700, robinlos wrote: > On Jul 9, 10:05 am, cs_post...@hotmail.com wrote: >> On Jul 8, 12:12 pm, cs_post...@hotmail.com wrote:
>> > Does anyone know if the story about the color TV test setup with the >> > bowl of fruit and some joker painting the banana green is true?
>> Sorry, blue not green.
> I've heard a lot of anecdotes about RCA's attempts to bring color TV to a > practical state.. Some of them concern the frustration of color shift, > particularly known colors of food, all of which wasn't solved very well > for quite a while after NTSC color was deployed. The story you refer to I > have never heard. I have heard of some altering of colors in early TV > times to cause a picture to look better than it really was. It might have > happened. The truth is, when NTSC color got the go ahead in '53, it really > wasn't ready to get the job done, and, of course, we all know it got by on > wink wink until later.
The early sets had color & tint knobs in addition to brightness, contrast, and horizontal and vertical hold. They used to have fine tuning, as well.
I was dating a gal who had a big-screen projection TV, and it actually had "convergence" adjustments, probably because there are 3 monitors in the thing.
When we got our first color set, the guy said to adjust the color knobs until the fleshtones (skin) are acceptable.
