Stanley Meyer's water auto [1980]
gdew...@gmail.com
On Apr 12 2002, 5:05 am, h2op...@aol.comic (None of Your Business)
wrote:
> The bottom line is that Harry Conover is a confidence artist who is
> quite successful in employing an obvious hoax technique
> to defame numerous people in this NG.
>
Here is the video again kids.
Don Lancaster
>
> Here is the video again kids.
>
> http://nl.youtube.com/watch?v=u5aqc_dpuA0
>
Boy, a whole flock of 'em flew over that time.
http://www.tinaja.com/glib/muse153.pdf
--
Many thanks,
Don Lancaster voice phone: (928)428-4073
Synergetics 3860 West First Street Box 809 Thatcher, AZ 85552
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gdew...@gmail.com
> gdewi...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> > Here is the video again kids.
>
> >http://nl.youtube.com/watch?v=u5aqc_dpuA0
>
> Boy, a whole flock of 'em flew over that time.http://www.tinaja.com/glib/muse153.pdf
>
This is your research Don Lancaster?
Properties of Water Electrolysis
(1) Electrolysis is best suited for on-demand apps where the value of
the generated hydrogen
greatly exceeds its energy value. Electrolysis is usually highly
wasteful and wildly
inappropriate when misapplied for bulk energy storage. It is virtually
never used
commercially for such purposes.
(2) Hydrogen produced by electrolysis is only an energy carrier. It is
incapable of adding net
BTU’s of new energy to the on-the-books economy. By no stretch of the
imagination can
terrestral hydrogen ever be considered nonpolluting.
(3) The net energy required to dissociate hydrogen is independent of
method.
(4) One electron needs added per hydrogen atom.
(5) Approximately two electron volts of energy are required.
(6) Because of a double integration, only the Fourier dc term of any
fancy current waveform
normally contributes significantly to electrolysis.
(7) An electrolysis cell is basically a highly nonlinear rectifier
that can convert portions of ac
input components into dc current terms that in turn produce a normal
dc electrolysis.
(8) Electrolysis can be up to one sixth endothermic at certain lower
generation levels. Thus,
"stays cool" operation can be normal and expected. Applying too much
voltage will cause
thermoneutral or exothermic results, thus reducing efficiency.
(9) Because of the hydrogen overvoltage of iron, use of stainless
steel electrode surfaces will
usually cut efficiency by one half or more. Efficient cells normally
require platinized
platinum electrodes.
(10) It is exceptionally difficult to accurately measure the power of
complex waveforms. The
usual problems are confusing average and rms measurements or not
knowing how to
properly deal with crest factors.
(11) It is exceptionally difficult to accurately measure how much of
the output gas stream is in
fact pure and dry STP hydrogen. The usual contaminants are water vapor
or oxygen.
Applying higher voltges to an electrolysis cell can produce dielectric
heating effects that
produce predominantly water vapor.
(12) Competent researchers in many different fields continue to verify
these observations in
thousands of ways day in and day out. The experiments have been
performed. Many
times over. Examples include EIS Electrochemical Impedance
Spectroscopy, EDM
machining, and Qprox proximity sensors. Plus my own careful studies.
(13) The key measure of the unburdened efficiency of an electrolysis
cell is the true watt hours
in compared to the net volume of dry STP pure hydrogen gas produced.
Claims made
without this carefully and independently reproduced measurement are
ludicrous and can
be dismissed outright.
(14) Because of a fundamental thermodynamic property called exergy,
the value of a kilowatt
hour of electricity is vastly higher than the value of a kilowatt hour
of stored hydrogen
energy. Thus, for bulk energy apps, electrolysis is exactly the same
as converting two
US Dollars into one Mexican peso.
and finally…
(15) Faraday’s Laws ain’t broke.
Seems to me you are willfully ignorant about things. The way you
repeat this stone age nonsense suggests you think the people in the
know do not know more then you but missed the basics. But Don never
build any fuel cell and he is talking about peoples lives work from
his armchair. It is thanks to ass fuckers like you we do-not have the
technology today Donny you liar scum. Your pathetic whining about
Faradays law and platinum anal probes tells us everything we need to
know about you.
Where you write: "gross and egregious fraud" and "loose grip on
reality"
There you become more of a fascist stalker then a researcher.
Don Lancaster is a Nazi
" Back to Stanley Meyer and friends. After the "gross and egregious
fraud" and "loose grip on reality" fraud trail and after Meyer's death
( blamed on an energy cartel hit rather than several someones who
just had their life savings stolen )."
Jep a Nazi pig with a fist fucker personality.
Go harass some one else now Donny.
You feel the need to bother me with your pathetic whining Don
Lancaster but I suggest you stop instantaneously.
Go rape your dog dude.
gdew...@gmail.com
> Joe Slack wrote:
> > Hello,
>
> > Why is fuel cell technology not employed in large scale industrial
> > applications such as replacing nuclear power plants?
> > What are the conceptual and technological problems with fuel cells that
> > prevent such useage? (cost, power output, size, availabability of
> > materials etc.)
> > Can anyone recommend good introductory books to fuel cell technology?
>
> > Thanks in advance.
>
> > Joe.
>
> > Sent via Deja.comhttp://www.deja.com/
> > Before you buy.
>
> The best multicycle power plants are approaching 60% efficiency.
> The best fuel cells are approaching 50% efficiency.
>
> Current unsolved fuel cell problems include membrane life and cost.
>
> Fuel cell books appear athttp://www.tinaja.com/h2gas01.html
>
No body cares about your Ebay spam career Don Lancaster. I understand
this is your motivation for being the liar scum you are.
Your arguments look like this:
" Meyer proponents keep parroting "but you haven't done the
experiment". Well (a) the experiment is not in the least worth
doing, and (b) the experiment does get done many billions of
times daily without any credible exceptions whatsoever."
But you have 8000 posts about hydrogen Donny-boy so you are just liar
scum.
8000 times you say things like:
On Apr 4 2006, 8:21 am, Don Lancaster <d...@tinaja.com> wrote:
: ve been accused of ridiculing thehydrogeneconomy,
: but the simple fact is that thehydrogeneconomy is
: inherently self-ridiculing.
No you are the Nazi here Donny. The incredulous hate speecher who
didn't build a single cell after 8000 posts and 10 years of ranting
absolute truths about the subject. You are more then just a little bit
of an annoying cunt, it's actually your work to be one!
You are so clearly the scam here. The world is dieing and we are not
using the solutions thanks to Donny the mass murderer freelance liar
who has never seen a hydrogen cell in his whole fucking life but has
all the books you need on the subject.
That's what I think happened here Nazi boy.
You are one of the big murderers on this planet. The kind willing to
kill millions to earn 10 cent.
The type would would make effort trying to prevent others from
sharing. That's the kind of Nazi you are.
Fred Kasner
You are one sick dude. Get help. You need help desperately. Your ravings
about impossible physical and chemical violations of basic principles
shows you to be even more deluded than even Stanley Meyer was.
FK
Fred Kasner
Even sicker than your earlier posts. Here you don't just disgrace
yourself with pseudoscience nonsense but engage in character attacks
with absolutely no evidence of malevolence on the part of your victim.
Shame on you.
FK
gdew...@gmail.com
> You are one sick dude. Get help. You need help desperately. Your ravings
> about impossible physical and chemical violations of basic principles
> shows you to be even more deluded than even Stanley Meyer was.
>
I've looked over your questions but again there was nothing there I
can use.
However,
your complaints are noted and laughed at.
Jesse Spencer
> You are one of the big murderers on this planet. The kind willing to
> kill millions to earn 10 cent.
>
> The type would would make effort trying to prevent others from
> sharing. That's the kind of Nazi you are.
Mr Lancaster knows energy and science.
You know foul language and obnoxious behaviour....congratulations on
your fine education.
gdew...@gmail.com
I think Mr Lancaster can talk for himself. Or are you his mouthpiece?
There where you thought I would be interested in a bunch of thought
policing fascists, that is where you make your insanity clear and
obvious.
Now go and fuck your dog.
Bill Ward
Hint: Your posts tell us a lot more about you than about Don L.
Damon Hill
news:pan.2008.05.16....@REMOVETHISix.netcom.com:
Alas, such people are incapable of taking a hint. Or seeing the
irony of their own pronouncements.
Which is why I have a killfile, and use it. A lot. :/
--Damon
gdew...@gmail.com
Fred Kasner
You ignorance is noted and I've wept slightly. Why? Because there are
those who are even more stupid than you who might believe your arrant
nonsense has an iota of logic to it.
FK
hhc...@yahoo.com
Fred. I don't believe that posters are totally stupid, but in fact
post is a desperate attempt to save face in front of the people that
either have already scammed, or plan to do so in the future in the
future.
Take our old friend JW for example. He has over the years admitted to
having invested in Stan Meyer's scan. JW doesn't want to write -off
his foolish investment (which any honorable business many would do at
this point), so he continues to promote Stan's con-game in the hope
that with will reel in another generation of fools sometime in the
future years. That way JW while standing at an arm's length away from
those actually promoting the scam. likely hopes to recover his
investment.
Surprusingly Fred, the Meyer Same is still alive and being actively
promoted. Worth a try, because there is definitely no "fool" shortage
on earth.
And no, I have no idea who this new poster promoting the Meyer Scam
is, although it may be JW in drag, Stan's brother, or an unrelated
fellow confidence artist with more than a passive interest in the
scam's success.
Here something that I found on the Net, with will no doubt drive JW up
the wall:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y__YCvFF8iM
Also, anone wanting background on this particular scam or confidence
game,
Google "stan meyer scam"
Harry C.
hhc...@yahoo.com
> http://groups.google.com/group/sci.energy.hydrogen/msg/78dc9358c876b5...
> On Apr 12 2002, 5:05 am, h2op...@aol.comic (None of Your Business)
> wrote:
>
> > The bottom line is that Harry Conover is a confidence artist who is
> > quite successful in employing an obvious hoax technique
> > to defame numerous people in this NG.
>
> Here is the video again kids.
>
> http://nl.youtube.com/watch?v=u5aqc_dpuA0
Here is a more current video kids...which reveals some of the
magicians secrets.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y__YCvFF8iM
Are you the con-man that JW (h2opwd) is always acusing me, a graduate
physicist and enineer, being.
I would love for either you or JW to explain to other readers how I
and a few others are deceiving anyone by posting obvious scientific
facts to refute the possiblity of extracting usable energy from water
though electrolysis, or for that matter, an optical microscope said to
be capable of imaging viruses (the Royal Rife Scam), and many other
scams that either steal money from uneducated people, or place their
health in jeopardy.
Please demonstrate how I could profit in any way from the Usenet posts
that I make, thus it is demonstated (QED) that unlike some of you
posters, I am not a confidence artist as some of you appear to be.
Keep on promoting your scams if you are confidence artists and have no
consciences. Worry about law enforcement, and not the critical posts
that you will read from the technicians, engineers, and scientists
posting on the newsgroup. Law enforcement may eventually fine your or
put you in the slammer, but all the scientific crowd here can to is to
scare away some of your potential victims by causing them to do more
research (Google is their friend), before investing in any of the
outrageous schemes or fraud devices.
Harry C.
Interesing, after 7 years, you for a rather obvious motivation you
went back and dredged up a post that slandered me in 2002
knews4...@yahoo.com
Harry, you and your ilk are liars just like the government and every
other entrenched institution.
Here is how you guys deny reality.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mdZpRcTBwdA&feature=related
But they're all liars or "misinterpreted what they saw."
http://youtube.com/watch?v=fwKDjq3ZHdQ
Don Lancaster
>
> Anyone wanting background on this particular scam or confidence
> game,
> Google "stan meyer scam"
>
> Harry C.
>
A well executed scam is a joy to behold.
But the Meyer Fiasco is so "not even wrong" that it does not dare hope
to remotely qualify as a wannabee clone imitation special ed junior
grade imitation make believe scam.
I did a very careful analysis of Meyer in
http://www.tinaja.com/glib/muse153.pdf to find out exactly where and how
he screwed up. The question of his having screwed up, of course, was not
then and is not now an issue. As subsequent events have clearly proved
beyond a shadow of doubt.
The amazing thing to come out of this carefully done and well reviewed
research was that ALL attempts at electrolysis for bulk hydrogen from
high values sources (such as wind, pv, or grid) are TOTALLY USELESS.
This is ABSOLUTELY GUARANTEED by a fundamental thermodynamic principle
involving exergy. The staggering loss of exergy GUARANTEES that
electrolysis will ALWAYS be a process of irreversibly and irrecoverably
instantly converting very high quality and value energy into very low
quality and low value energy. And that is BEFORE amortization!
And that there ALWAYS will be more intelligent things to do with high
value electricity than instantly destroying most of its quality.
Throwing a fanbelt into the mix, of course, simply creates a DYNAMIC
BRAKE. One that is literally in drag. Ignoring the fact that a typical
fanbelt cannot accept an additional load greater than one horsepower or so.
Much more at http://www.tinaja.com/glib/morenrgf.pdf
gdew...@gmail.com
You are a Nazi Fred.
Feel free to go play your Nazi games with some one else now you
fascist pig.
http://groups.google.com/groups/search?hl=en&q=stanley+meyer&qt_s=Search&enc_author=XM0UlhUAAAAIgtGCKCmz1_QjeqoOQ4a4wqx5Qun6pfYCXXP0iztuYg
On Aug 5 2006, 10:22 pm, knews4u2c...@yahoo.com wrote:
> User wrote:
> > On Sat, 05 Aug 2006 06:35:06 +0100, Eeyore
> > <rabbitsfriendsandrelati...@REMOVETHIS.hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > >Since this concept violates the first law of thermodynamics and this apparatus
> > >has never been demonstrated to work and has never been reproduced, it was met
> > >with much skepticism and was later found to be a hoax. The purpose of the hoax
> > >was likely to attract gullible investors, selling them licensing rights for a
> > >"revolutionary" technology. The inventor, Mr.StanleyMeyer(died at March 21,
> > >1998[1]), was later successfully sued by some of these disgruntled investors,
> > >whom he had sold "dealerships", and convicted for "gross and egregious
> > >fraud".[2]
>
> > >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water_fuel_cell
>
> > Wikipedia should be corrected.
>
> More like banished.
> It is full of inaccuracies and lies.
>
> > The fraud trial was in 1996, a couple years beforeMeyer'sdeath. He
> > was found guilty and ordered to repay some of his victims, and it
> > effectively put a stop to his fraud scheme.
>
> Hardly.
> He was NEVER given any type of cease and desist order.
> He was fines ONR DOLLAR, ONE DOLLAR, ONE DOLLAR, for this allegid
> "gross and agrgious fraud."
>
> > However, he spent the rest of his life trying to convince people that
> > the fraud trial was a sham, and he once wrote a long rambling letter
> > to a bunch of his remaining "investors" detailing espionage, theft,
> > gunplay, etc., to try to keep them from taking him to court to get
> > their money back. (It reads like a James Bond novel, and it
> > illustrates just how disconnected with realityMeyerwas.)
>
> Funny how the truth sounds when you own and control technology WORTH
> TRILLIONS.
>
> >Meyerdied of a brain aneurism in 1998. But to this day there are
> > still loonies out there who insist he was poisoned or was "killed with
> > a microwave weapon" to suppress his great technology.
>
> Yes, funny how he had this "aneurism" right at the dinner table with
> the guy who jusy agreed to fund his prouction plant for 50 million
> bucks.
> But that's just a "coincidence"
> As is his body being cremated to destroy any evidence of foul play.
>
> > And here we are nearing $4/gallon for gasoline, and none of those
> > loonies has bothered to rescue us withMeyer'swater powered car.
> > Shame on them.
>
> Yup.
> And not a soul here besides me, JW, and a few others give a rats ass.
You think it's not obvious huh Adolf?
It's lies all the way with you.
It's clear and obvious, you liar sum.
gdew...@gmail.com
> [SNIP ISANE LIES]
DON LANCASTER IS A NAZI.
Fred Kasner
I usually do not bother to read or view stuff that even slightly smells
of support for things that violate principles such as the laws of
thermodynamics. However I relented to view the above video. The argument
seems to be that anything is possible and it is foolish to assume that
something that an "inventor" claims should be believed until proven
wrong. Then there are the claims that monstrous fortunes have been
offered by the energy interests to squelch the Meyer "invention".
Nowhere is any proof offered that such claims are true. There will
always be those who will deal in the world of the possible and the
probably rather than the world of science. Science has in fits and
starts embraced principles of limits and prohibitions. So much so that
if you were to try to market a perpetual motion machine on the market
you would quickly fail. But if you enshroud your claims in mystery that
you refuse to explain and why and how you can do what you claim there
will always be those who think you really are on to something. Stan
would have been a very very rich man if he had let real scientists
examine his device if they had subsequently confirmed his claims. But
nor group of scientists were ever able to examine his equipment on their
own terms without limits that Stan set that were too limiting. Hence the
claims that scientists would not want to even touch his equipment since
it would embarrass them beyond repair is sheer nonsense. The shroud of
secrecy along with such claims of scientific principles of a pumping up
of energy into a water O-H bond is seen in no other phenomenon. His
frequencies of thousands of Herz mean that to store enough energy in O-H
bond to make it rupture would require so many repetitions, that even if
such incremental additions of energy were possible, it would take a very
long time to store enough energy to break the bond. Even if this was a
stepwise process, there would be nothing that would stop the excited
water molecule with high vibration quantum number electrons in the bonds
would have plenty of time to cascade down in energy to a much lower
vibration energy state. Then there is the comment that JW keeps
repeating about this being a nuclear process not an electronic process
(he repeats it as something another claimed but repeat it he does when
he also repeats the error that a volt is the same as an electron volt.)
Let's face it this scam is so full of errors in its presentation that I
would not invest 1 cent of money even if I were issued a mortgage on
somebody's property to back my investment.
FK
Fred Kasner
Such accusations is not likely to make you any more acceptable as a
serious scientist or engineer working with facts.
FK
Fred Kasner
You can present no bone fides to demonstrate that you are a more
reliable person to present an opinion on matters such as electrolysis or
any other question of physics or chemistry. And your repeating posts
that you may not have written but which can't distinguish between an
energy (electron volts) and a potential (volts) and claims that a
process that works with low energies is a nuclear process rather than a
chemical process that only serve to further discredit you. Thus what you
claim is not worthy of any claim to creditbility. And your history of
repeatedly masked identities makes you further lacking in credibility.
Hiding your identity repeatedly and denying that you do such makes you
not worthy of even a shred of credibility.
FK
Fred Kasner
Gee, if you really don't give a "rats ass" (sic) then why do you
continue to attack so furiously? I put my life on the line when I didn't
wait to enlist in WWII rather than sit around and hope I wouldn't be
drafted. So I don't know whether to laugh or cry when you accuse me of
being a Nazi and a Fascist. Projection on your part, I guess.
FK
Don Lancaster
>
> Gee, if you really don't give a "rats ass" (sic) then why do you
> continue to attack so furiously? I put my life on the line when I didn't
> wait to enlist in WWII rather than sit around and hope I wouldn't be
> drafted. So I don't know whether to laugh or cry when you accuse me of
> being a Nazi and a Fascist. Projection on your part, I guess.
> FK
When applying the scientific method, it does not matter in the least
what the political or religious beliefs of the poster are.
All that matters is whether credible, verifiable, and (above all)
falsifiable hypothesis are being properly and factually presented.
An ad-hominum attack is ALWAYS an instant win for the other side.
Every time.
http://www.tinaja.com/glib/morenrgf.pdf
knews4...@yahoo.com
Shooting the messenger doesn't change the facts.
CWatters
<gdew...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:b19cb6b7-ea04-4dba...@d77g2000hsb.googlegroups.com...
> http://groups.google.com/group/sci.energy.hydrogen/msg/78dc9358c876b54c?&q=spark+plug+electrolyser
> On Apr 12 2002, 5:05 am, h2op...@aol.comic (None of Your Business)
> wrote:
>> The bottom line is that Harry Conover is a confidence artist who is
>> quite successful in employing an obvious hoax technique
>> to defame numerous people in this NG.
>>
>
> Here is the video again kids.
>
> http://nl.youtube.com/watch?v=u5aqc_dpuA0
>
If it works why has nobody paid to have their car checked out on an
independant milage test track?
gdew...@gmail.com
Yes, you so clearly state I should have no right to discuss the work
of Meyer with anyone. Now if that doesn't make you a Fascist you need
a new dictionary.
Why didn't you address the actual subject in stead of acting like the
ubermensh brain police?
"Because there are those who are even more stupid than you"
This is your idea of caring about people right?
Don't make me laugh nazi.
Fred Kasner
However if the messenger is carrying lies and insisting they are facts
we lose noting by ignoring the messenger or even killing him, save the
moral injustification for murder.
FK
Fred Kasner
The point that you so flippantly dismiss is that this issue has been
"debated" to death with essentially no shred of evidence that is
available to some scientist who would be willing to waste his time
testing what is fundamentally impossible. Not nobody supporting your
claims has ever attempted to explain away the arguments that the Meyer
process is a nuclear process or that all you need to produce energy is a
"voltage" which claim is based on the failure to understand that a volt
(a potential difference) is the same as an electron volt (an energy).
Also the fact is that you can't treat a vibrational system of a chemical
bond as if it were like pushing somebody on a swing. You can't put
additional amounts of energy into such a system with smaller frequency
increments. There is a natural frequency and only increments of energy
at this frequency are absorbed by the O-H bond. Such frequencies are
millions of millions of times large that the frequencies that Meyer
claimed his equipment used. But idiots claim that these postulates of
quantum mechanics can be ignored.
And pointing out such inconsistencies so enrages you that you can only
accuse those who point them out as being some murdering political entity
as a fascist or nazi? You are one sick fellow indeed if you cannot
respond with other than such venomous accusation.
FK
hhc...@yahoo.com
<colin.watt...@NOturnersoakSPAM.plus.com> wrote:
> <gdewi...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:b19cb6b7-ea04-4dba...@d77g2000hsb.googlegroups.com...
>
> >http://groups.google.com/group/sci.energy.hydrogen/msg/78dc9358c876b5...
> > On Apr 12 2002, 5:05 am, h2op...@aol.comic (None of Your Business)
> > wrote:
> >> The bottom line is that Harry Conover is a confidence artist who is
> >> quite successful in employing an obvious hoax technique
> >> to defame numerous people in this NG.
>
> > Here is the video again kids.
>
> >http://nl.youtube.com/watch?v=u5aqc_dpuA0
>
> If it works why has nobody paid to have their car checked out on an
> independant milage test track?
I'm still eagerly waiting anone explanation of how I am a confidence
artist, since what little I have to post is based on scientific fact,
and whatever I post is done pro bono, just as are the majority of Don
L's posts. I don't even have a website.
What really annoys me are those having financial motives that make
posts supporting frauds on this newsgroup. By this I mean those with
something to gain by promoting free energy scams like the Stan Meyer
scam and other free energy crackpottery. These scams only defraud
ignorant dupes out of their money. True, some are based on simple
ignorance, but I have come to believe that most are the result of
intentional deception and misrepresentation.
When you face scientific reality, there is no such thing as a free
lunch! Energy is conserved, Period!!! If you don't grasp this
fundamental fact of life, you should confine your posts to some wacky
newsgroup in the alt. hierarchy.
What offends me much more are the medical hoaxes such as the Royal
Rife and Abrams scams, which have resulted in the premature deaths of
humans, while offering no medical benefits whatsoever. So far as I am
concerned, the free energy scammers should be fined and put into
prision, while on the other hand those responsible for promoting the
medical quackery (which give foolish people false hope and discourage
them from seeking medically sound treatment)...As a punishment, these
guys should be drawn and quartered, or burned at the stake...then go
directly to Hell to face eternal damnation.
The liars that post here are another issue. There is obviously no
need to expand on that point.
In closing, remember that this is a newsgroup that is a member of the
sci. hierarchy, where verifiable scientific fact rule. If you don't
believe in science, then you should not be posting here.
Harry C.
hhc...@yahoo.com
>
> news:b19cb6b7-ea04-4dba...@d77g2000hsb.googlegroups.com...
>
> >http://groups.google.com/group/sci.energy.hydrogen/msg/78dc9358c876b5...
> > On Apr 12 2002, 5:05 am, h2op...@aol.comic (None of Your Business)
> > wrote:
> >> The bottom line is that Harry Conover is a confidence artist who is
> >> quite successful in employing an obvious hoax technique
> >> to defame numerous people in this NG.
>
> > Here is the video again kids.
>
> >http://nl.youtube.com/watch?v=u5aqc_dpuA0
>
> If it works why has nobody paid to have their car checked out on an
> independant milage test track?
Also, why hasn't anyone noticed the two a.c. motor driven generators
mounted on the "Car that runs on Water"? These are circled, as shown
on the video to which I provided a link. For those of you that have
forgotten it, here it is again.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y__YCvFF8iM
Why are power line powered motor generators needed on a car that "Runs
on Water". Perpaps to generate sufficient hydrogen from the power
lines to power the car to run for a short distance?
Other explanations are invited, but thus far there have been none.
Harry C.
gdew...@gmail.com
> Also, why hasn't anyone noticed the two a.c. motor driven generators
> mounted on the "Car that runs on Water"? These are circled, as shown
> on the video to which I provided a link. For those of you that have
> forgotten it, here it is again.
>
And your answer is in the comments under the stupid video retard.
Meyer used the coils to make back EMF spikes.
You liar NAzi.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=2FA9wiMkXwE
hhc...@yahoo.com
What did I lie about. The video clearly depicts the two a.c. powered
motor-generator set (same as those pictured in his workshop) on the
car. What powered them, and why were they there?
Back EMF spikes? To make back EMF Spikes, you need alternating or
pulsating electrical current. What was the source of the energy for
this current, lacking a power line connection or a battery powered
energy source?
Strangely, or not strangely, their is no mention of a need for "Back
EMF Spikes" in any of Meyer's ridiculous literature.
Friend, you're grasping at staws in order to rationalize a scammer's
claims.
Harry C.
hhc...@yahoo.com
What coild, they were a.c. line powered electric motors that drove the
d.c. generators that powered his electrolysis.
Watch again:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y__YCvFF8iM
Notice that the same motor-generator set is mounted on the dune
buggy. Now why do you suppose it was there?
Name calling does not help your cause, only makes you look like an
idiot.
Harry C.
hhc...@yahoo.com
in part).
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y__YCvFF8iM
Watch carefully.
Harry C.
p.s., Don't your Meyers scammers hate someone like me?
gdew...@gmail.com
yes
gdew...@gmail.com
> Name calling does not help your cause, only makes you look like an
> idiot.
>
NAZI
hhc...@yahoo.com
In this case, you are a demonstrated idiot.
Happy?
Harry C.
p.s., I'm curious as to why your are so enthusiastically supporting a
scam that is so shallow that even a bright middle school student will
see through. This raised the obvious question: Are you a participant
in this scam, or simply misguided?
gdew...@gmail.com
Are you asking questions now?
He put that there for the fascists to draw red circles around.
Why else?
Are you suggesting an electric motor is a power source?
Here kid, view this U tube video.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=2FA9wiMkXwE
The power of water as shown by Stanley Meyer, Dennis Klein, Graeme
Jenkins, Steve Ryan, Bill Williams, Daniel Dingle, Yull Brown, Paul
Pantone and John Kanzius
Seems an appropriate cure for electrliars.
Lets have a close look at you ignoring the topic again. Liar liar?
I did view your video,
I did explain to you that electric motors are not power sources.
Some confused kid eh?
ji...@specsol.spam.sux.com
> Happy?
> Harry C.
For someone with more than three functioning brain cells to support such
an obvious scam they either have to be a participant of have bought
heavily into it and are now in deep denial of what an idiot they were.
--
Jim Pennino
Remove .spam.sux to reply.
Eeyore
hhc...@yahoo.com
Jim, dummy that I am I really believe that the posters promoting the
Meyer scam were well intended but poorly educated/misinformed
individuals. and indeed some of them are. On the other hand some of
these posters seem not to care either about scientific facts or people
in general, and are simply scam artists and confidence men who would
defraud anyone that they can at any time, without exception. Sort of
like the Irish Travelers.
I'm not sure if it is a genetic deficiency that makes some people this
way, and I really don't care. The point is to make innocent people
aware that these confidence artists exist, and thus be warned.
Now... For the benefit of people living in the ideal world, be
forewarned that there are two groups of human preditors prowling the
country, The Irish Travelers and the Gypsies. (You can Google either
group for more information on these pernicious parasites.)
The Stan Meyer fraud seems to fit more into the frameworks of the
"Irish Travelers". These are the guys that show up at your door
telling you that they will coat and preserve your driveway. They do
so by generally spreading old crancase drainings in the hope that you
will not notice until they have left town. They live in trailers and,
for obvious reasons, relocate frequently. In Ireland they are called
"Tinkers".
If the scam is less orgainized, it it likely the result of the
Gypsies, who generally emply their young girls to do their dirty work.
I know of one case where a Gypsy girls lured a bank president into his
private office though sex, while her brothers looted the bank.
Hard to believe that this stuff goes on today, but it does.
Well, unless you are stupid, you get the idea. The fact simply is:
There is no free lunch.
Still for the scammers, hope springs eternal, and not particualarly on
the Internet. How often have you received email from someone claiming
he was well placed in an African govement, and only wanted you to hold
onto some money for a time, in return for a profit?
That's the point. The Stan Meyer scam, the Royal Rife scam, and so
many others are part of the same game. Don't be stupid. If someone
offers you an opportunity that is so great that it cannot be refused,
refuse it until you know all the facts. On scams, the facts are in
short supply.
For an example, Google "Blacklight Power". They have a wonderful
website, but if you them and requrest detailed information on the
firms, like their last audited annual report, guess what. Give it a
try. Try to contact any of these snake oil operations, and the result
will be the same.
For whatever it's worth, I am trying to actually help people by making
my posts. Hopefully, the confidence artists are not going to kill
me.
Harry C.
gdew...@gmail.com
> For someone with more than three functioning brain cells to support such
> an obvious scam they either have to be a participant of have bought
> heavily into it and are now in deep denial of what an idiot they were.
>
You are not a very good looser at all? eh?
Here is a video for you.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=2FA9wiMkXwE
Now you can stop wanting everyone to die.
No more killing babies for you in Iraq.
AHHHHHH
You poor nazi thing!
gdew...@gmail.com
wrote:
If one bothers to look at his previous posts one can only conclude
rabbit man harassed more people into leaving the Hydrogen discussion
then the rest of his fascist buddies combined.
Now come complaint about your being a NAzi now?
It's the truth, I couldn't care less what your fascist club thinks
about it.
Is it sinking into your fat head now or what?
You are not a very good looser at all? eh?
Here is a video for you.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=2FA9wiMkXwE
Now you can stop wanting everyone to die.
It's pointless, you have lost the liar game.
ji...@specsol.spam.sux.com
> http://youtube.com/watch?v=2FA9wiMkXwE
> AHHHHHH
> You poor nazi thing!
Oops, I forgot one category; the insane.
Eeyore
ji...@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
> gdew...@gmail.com wrote:
> > On May 20, 6:55 am, j...@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
> > > For someone with more than three functioning brain cells to support such
> > > an obvious scam they either have to be a participant of have bought
> > > heavily into it and are now in deep denial of what an idiot they were.
> > >
>
> > You are not a very good looser at all? eh?
>
> > Here is a video for you.
>
> > http://youtube.com/watch?v=2FA9wiMkXwE
>
> > Now you can stop wanting everyone to die.
>
> > No more killing babies for you in Iraq.
>
> > AHHHHHH
>
> > You poor nazi thing!
>
> Oops, I forgot one category; the insane.
Even the insane aren't this stupid. I suspect a troll pure and simple.
Graham
Don Lancaster
>
> For someone with more than three functioning brain cells to support such
> an obvious scam they either have to be a participant of have bought
> heavily into it and are now in deep denial of what an idiot they were.
>
>
Detailed analysis at http://www.tinaja.com/glib/muse153.pdf
gdew...@gmail.com
wrote:
> j...@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
So Don is a con artist and sees cons everywhere.
Jim Pennino is insane and sees insane people everywhere.
And Graham obviously sees Trolls.
HAHAHAHAHAHA
I see inventors. Stan was specially amazing in his inventorism.
It's probably amazing to me like trolls are to the rabbit man!
cons are to Don,
and nutsies to Jim.
It's all one big self reflection.
Here is the video again kids.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=2FA9wiMkXwE
Try address the content rather then cry about your defeat?
I didn't expect you to give up this easy?
Are you not making millions with your lies like your co-workers?
You are unpaid minions?
You cant be serious?
Then why bother killing everyone?
How much liters of blood per liter of oil again?
And this is your idea of a working solution?
Even just talking about anything else should be forbidden?
Well if that doesn't make you a Fascist then you need a new dictionary.
Eeyore
"gdew...@gmail.com" wrote:
> I see inventors. Stan was specially amazing in his inventorism.
Stan wouldn't have known an invention if it stood up and smacked him in the face.
It's obvious from reading his stuff that he had a complete lack of fundamental
scientific knowledge. His claims over over-unity are an obvious example of
measurement error caused by the use of inadequate instrumentation that incorrectly
recorded the processes involved. A mistake that today's youtube alleged
'experimenters' continue to make to this day.
Ignorance is not a good starting point to make things that work. Meyer was of course
ultimately a fraudster, a criminal pure and simple who stole peoples' money.
Graham
Don Lancaster
The key point many miss is how wrong how many people would have to be in
how many different ways how often for how long for Meyer to be credible...
EIS electrochemical impedance spectroscopy would have to be done
only by totally clueless and unobservant morons.
EDM electro discharge machining would not work and many shops would
have exploded due to all the excess hydrogen being produced.
QPROX proximity sensors would not work and the tens of thousands of
units sold would be an outright scam.
The use of deionized water for high voltage cooling would have
caused numerous explosions and outright disasters.
The fundamental definition of electric current would be in error.
Fourier Series would be flat out wrong.
Faraday's Laws would be wildly in error.
No oddball results could ever have happened in a student lab.
Fundamental thermodynamic laws would be grossly in error.
Stupid mistakes in fundamental measurement errors by incompetents
would have to trump properly done research.
Exergy would have to be a totally bogus measure of energy quality.
gdew...@gmail.com
wrote:
> <rabbitsfriendsandrelati...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >User wrote:
> > Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelati...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>knews4u2c...@yahoo.com wrote:
>
> >Meyer'scircuit works.
>
>You are completely detached from reality.
>
You are a nazi
On Dec 2 2007, 7:04 pm, Eeyore
<rabbitsfriendsandrelati...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> tom wrote:
> > "Eeyore" <rabbitsfriendsandrelati...@hotmail.com> wrote
> > > tom wrote:
>
> > >>StanleyMeyerhad it all on tap
>
> > >StanleyMeyerwas a FRAUDSTER.
> > >,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
> > And your a fool
>
> IGNORANT PRICK
>
> Your ilk along with their stupid uneducated ideas are not welcome here.
NAZI BOY
On Dec 2 2007, 4:08 pm, Eeyore
<rabbitsfriendsandrelati...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> tom wrote:
> >StanleyMeyerhad it all
>
> StanleyMeyerwas a lying CROOK. He was convicted for defrauding investors. He wasn't
> killed, he simply died of a stroke.
>
> Your belief in hydrogen 'for free' is touching and shows you haven't the tiniest clue what
> you're talking about.
>
> Graham
And Diesel, and Brown and Malove etc etc etc all acidents.
You are a NAzi
On Dec 2 2007, 3:44 pm, Eeyore
<rabbitsfriendsandrelati...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> tom wrote:
> >StanleyMeyerhad it all on tap
>
> StanleyMeyerwas a FRAUDSTER.
Nazi boy
On Feb 28, 7:54 am, Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelati...@hotmail.com>
wrote:
> knews4u2c...@yahoo.com wrote:
> > Eeyore wrote:
> > > knews4u2c...@yahoo.com wrote:
> > > > Eeyore wrote:
>
> > > > > Any high school kid ought to be able to make reasonably reliable measurements of such > > > an experiment.
>
> > > > Then how can you guy keep saying "Meyerdidn't know how to read a
> > > > meter?"
> > > > Or the guys in the Wireless World Article?
>
> > > WHAT Wireless World article ?
>
> >http://www.icubenetwork.com/files/watercar/non-commercial/stanley_mey...
> >http://www.icubenetwork.com/files/watercar/non-commercial/stanley_mey...
>
> " the experimental technique has more holes in it than a sieve " !
>
> Hardly an endorsement.
>
> Graham
NAzi kid
On Sep 26 2007, 11:11 pm, Eeyore
<rabbitsfriendsandrelati...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> rick_so...@hotmail.com wrote:
> > On Sep 26, 9:35 pm, rick_so...@hotmail.com wrote:
> > > > > Learn some science before spouting off a load of nonsese next time will you ?
>
> > > > > Graham
>
> > > > Do you live in a cave?
>
> > > >http://gizmodo.com/gadgets/gadgets/car-runs-on-water-inventor-to-be-k...
>
> > >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YIgOn1kRw5s&mode=related&search=
> > > The pentagon, the pentagon, the pentagon.
>
> > In case you don't know what happened to Stan Myers, he went out for
> > dinner to a local restaurant, got poisoned, and died in the parking
> > lot.
>
> He had a stroke actually.
>
> If anyone had reason to poison him it would have been the investors he scammed.
>
> Meyer'sclaims about the Water Fuel Cell and the car that it powered were found to be
> fraudulent by an Ohio court in 1996.[1] Similar devices have been promoted by others;
> see Water-fuelled car.
>
> StanleyMeyerdied at the age of 57 after eating at a restaurant on 21 March
> 1998.[citation needed] An autopsy report by Franklin County coroner William R. Adrion
> showed the cause of death to be a cerebral aneurysm.
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water_fuel_cell
>
> Water fuelled cars have been mentioned in urban legends since the 1930s. The story is
> usually that a lone inventor invents an engine that runs on water but the idea is
> suppressed by either Big Oil or automakers in order to safeguard their profits. Claims
> for water fuelled power sources are often used to fraudulently extract money from
> gullible investors.
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water-fuelled_car
>
> Graham
You with your imaginary evidence call things urban legend.
William Nicholson (1799)
Isaac de Rivas (1805)
Rev. William Cecil (1820)
Jean Joseph Etienne Lenoir (1860)
Luther Wattles (1897)
Rudolf A. Erren (1930)
Henry"Dad" Garrett (1932)
Michael A. Peavey (1956)
William A Rhodes (1967)
Yull Brown (1970-1998)
Daniel Dingle (1970 - 2012)
Francisco Pacheco (1972)
Rodger Billings (1976)
Archie Blue (1978)
Robert Zweig (1978)
Dr. Ruggero Santilli (1978)
Sam Leslie Leach (1978)
Steven Horvath (1978)
Carl Cella (1978)
Dr. Ruggero Santilli (1978 - 2007)
Stan Meyer (1980-98)
Herman P. Anderson (1983)
Andrija Puharich (1983)
Joe Cell (Joe X) (1990)
Paulo Mateiro (2000)
Bob Boyce (2000)
Peter Lowrie (2004)
Edward Estevel
Dr. Cliff Ricketts (1996)
Steve Ryan (motorcycle 2005)
Captain Patrick (2000 BC)
OF course every free electricity device can also make hydrogen.
On Sep 13 2007, 8:01 pm, Eeyore
<rabbitsfriendsandrelati...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Charlie Edmondson wrote:
> > John Larkin wrote:
>
> > > And very high power microwave systems have used waveguide water loads,
> > > and water calorimeter-type power meters, for 60 years or more. I don't
> > > recall anyone mentioning hydrogen generation, much less net energy
> > > creation!
>
> > I 'think' he was building on the work of the infamousStanleyMeyer, who
> > 'created' the water fueled car. Meyerexposed water in stainless steel
> > tubes to a 'special' frequency that caused the individual atoms to
> > vibrate and disassociate into hydrogen and oxygen without all the energy
> > that electrolysis requires.
>
> You left out the word allegedly.
>
> When his equipment was tested it was found to be performing ordinary
> electrolysis.
>
> Graham
imaginary proofs again nazi boy?
On Dec 12 2007, 4:41 pm, Eeyore
<rabbitsfriendsandrelati...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Broderick Crawford ililililil wrote:
> > tom wrote:
> > >StanleyMeyerhad it all on tap and proved by the best that it was sound and
> > > working, and they all cried it is a revelation a world changing group of
> > > inventions.
> > > Then he was murdered like many of his type, his inventions would save the
> > > world yet do you know of a real plant / industry using his technology. The
> > > first invention was the the twentythousand volt pulser that made HHO. but it
> > > could easily have made O and H.
> > > This hydrogen made vehicles go further on a gallon and put out a much
> > > cleaner exhaust.
> > > Then he invented the water cracker in various forms. 1/ replaces the spark
> > > plug and splits water into a fuel straight from the water tank. 2/ Hydro
> > > Burner that is fed water and replaces other boiler fuels
> > > these last two inventions used 40.000 volts to separate the Hydrogen and
> > > oxygen.
> > > The world is going to hell in an an hand cart and we sit by while lunnies
> > > kill and maintain powering systems that is distroying our world, who is the
> > > lunatics I should say both sides, them for doing it and us for allowing it
> > > all to happen under our noses.
>
> > When we go to the moon to extract helium 3 for fusion reactors on earth,
> > the process makes hydrogen and oxygen.
>
> Lovely. The loonies are outloonying themselves now.
>
> Graham
No facts here Nazi boy.
You are a hate speeching all the way though you facist.
_____
http://nl.youtube.com/watch?v=2FA9wiMkXwE
YouTube - Waterauto
Eeyore
Don Lancaster
Another key point the Meyer proponents miss:
You do not need a ten year trial of a complete automotive fleet.
All you need is a simple test on a quarter ounce of water that
demonstrates such an effect is possible.
This test is routinely performed many tens of thousands of times daily
by EIS researchers. With uniformly negative results.
They HAVE done the experiment.
And CONTINUE to do so. Daily.
http://www.tinaja.com/glib/muse137.pdf
gdew...@gmail.com
> All you need is a simple test on a quarter ounce of water that
> demonstrates such an effect is possible.
>
The granting of a patent under Section 101 is dependent on a
successful demonstration of the invention to a Patent Review Board.
In a demonstration made before Professor Michael Laughton, Dean of
Engineering at Queen Mary College, London, Admiral Sir Anthony
Griffin, a former controller of the British Navy, and Dr Keith
Hindley, a UK research chemist. Meyer's cell, developed at the
inventor's home in Grove City, Ohio, produced far more hydrogen/oxygen
mixture than could have been expected by simple electrolysis.
http://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Knalgas
http://www.websters-dictionary-online.org/translation/Dutch/knalgas
hhc...@yahoo.com
Correct me if I am mistaken, isn't such a demonstration (in the very,
very rare cases where it is required) generally performed at a
location convenient to the USPTO, and not somewhere in England.
Dhuh!
Friend, other than for your obscene language and name calling, you
posts become more humorous with each passing day.
Harry C.
knews4...@yahoo.com
wrote:
> "gdewi...@gmail.com" wrote:
> > I see inventors. Stan was specially amazing in his inventorism.
>
> Stan wouldn't have known an invention if it stood up and smacked him in the face.
>
> It's obvious from reading his stuff that he had a complete lack of fundamental
> scientific knowledge.
Sure.
Watch.
http://waterfuelcell.org/phpBB2/index.php?sid=db12475327496042ca0e9a3fc5408be5
>His claims over over-unity are an obvious example of
> measurement error caused by the use of inadequate instrumentation that incorrectly
> recorded the processes involved.
>A mistake that today's youtube alleged
> 'experimenters' continue to make to this day.
>
> Ignorance is not a good starting point to make things that work. Meyer was of course
> ultimately a fraudster, a criminal pure and simple who stole peoples' money.
>
> Graham
Make your 5K check payable to:
Universal Bookkeeping
knews4...@yahoo.com
> On May 21, 2:48 pm, "gdewi...@gmail.com" <gdewi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On May 21, 8:11 pm, Don Lancaster <d...@tinaja.com> wrote:
>
> > > All you need is a simple test on a quarter ounce of water that
> > > demonstrates such an effect is possible.
>
> > The granting of a patent under Section 101 is dependent on a
> > successful demonstration of the invention to a Patent Review Board.
>
> > In a demonstration made before Professor Michael Laughton, Dean of
> > Engineering at Queen Mary College, London, Admiral Sir Anthony
> > Griffin, a former controller of the British Navy, and Dr Keith
> > Hindley, a UK research chemist. Meyer's cell, developed at the
> > inventor's home in Grove City, Ohio, produced far more hydrogen/oxygen
> > mixture than could have been expected by simple electrolysis.
>
>
> Correct me if I am mistaken, isn't such a demonstration (in the very,
> very rare cases where it is required) generally performed at a
> location convenient to the USPTO, and not somewhere in England.
>
> Dhuh!
Yea Dhuh! CONman.
"A demonstration" is NOT "the demonstration."
Stan Meyer, did, in fact, under 35 USC 101 demonstrate to the PTO
that his technology works.
Ever read this?
35 U.S.C. 114 Models, specimens.
"The Commissioner may require the applicant to furnish a model of
convenient size to exhibit advantageously the several parts of his
invention. When the invention relates to a composition of matter, the
Commissioner may require the applicant to furnish specimens or
ingredients for the purpose of inspection or experiment."
Yes you have.
But then you OBFUSCATE and LIE just like CONman that you ARE.
>
> Friend, other than for your obscene language and name calling, you
> posts become more humorous with each passing day.
>
> Harry C.
And your lies are already legend here CONman.
gdew...@gmail.com
> Correct me if I am mistaken, isn't such a demonstration (in the very,
> very rare cases where it is required) generally performed at a
> location convenient to the USPTO, and not somewhere in England.
>
We need clean water and energy for about 10 000 000 000 people and you
have till yesterday to get it finished and working.
In stead you guys spend all those years lying about it and harassing
people who know what they are taking about. The great unmaking of
peoples effort. You fascists are the direct cause of the death of
millions. Honestly!
You don't actually have anything substantial to show for your hoax
accusations. In contrast you don't even know the basics of the
contraption. Not up to a point where you can actually agree or
disagree with anything.
You just lie and lie and lie again, it's lies all the way - scumbags.
Does it give you pleasure to see people die? Is there satisfaction in
starvation for your kind of person? What happened to classic greed and
capitalism? Have you exchanged that for being a sadist? what an un-
cool trend?
I made this fantastic 10 min documentary for you.
http://nl.youtube.com/watch?v=2FA9wiMkXwE
YouTube - Waterauto
Try be a bit less uninspired. Do have some thoughts of your own. It's
not like we are talking about Joe cells just jet?
Stop acting like a child?
Is that the key phrase?
Eeyore
"gdew...@gmail.com" wrote:
> hhc...@yahoo.com wrote:
> > Correct me if I am mistaken, isn't such a demonstration (in the very,
> > very rare cases where it is required) generally performed at a
> > location convenient to the USPTO, and not somewhere in England.
>
> We need clean water and energy for about 10 000 000 000 people and you
> have till yesterday to get it finished and working.
WTF are you raving on about now ?
If Meyer's process works why aren't YOU or any of the youtube idiots making
products based on it ?
Graham
Don Lancaster
The most credible explanations for the "British Demonstration" was
either that it did not happen or that the witnesses were grossly
incompetent.
"The experiment" is repeated tens of thousands of times daily by
credible EIS researchers. With uniformly negative results.
Surely anyone who recognized such a blatant thermodynamic violation and
believed in it would publish an infinite supply of papers. Not to
mention becoming filthy rich beyond their wildest dreams.
Latter day attempts to contact the witnesses seem to be conspicuously
absent. It is unlikely that they would care to admit they clearly had
been had. Big time.
http://www.tinaja.com/glib/energfun.pdf
hhc...@yahoo.com
> On May 22, 12:28 am, hhc...@yahoo.com wrote:
>
> > Correct me if I am mistaken, isn't such a demonstration (in the very,
> > very rare cases where it is required) generally performed at a
> > location convenient to the USPTO, and not somewhere in England.
Oh Good Lord, this idiot is back again. Shall we have a little fun
with him?
Yes, it is a slow and boring night.
> We need clean water and energy for about 10 000 000 000 people and you
> have till yesterday to get it finished and working.
First, get your damn facts straight.
The US population is currently estimated as being 304,140,923. These
are the people that we really care about, and the total world
population (as of this posting) is 6,669,195,004 as of 03:17 GMT (EST
+5) May 22, 2008
Now to be perfectly candid with you, I care mostly about the citizens
of my own country, then secondly the citizens of the eastern european
nations from whose people our nation originated. So far as the rest of
the world is concerned, because of their behavior tend to view them in
the same light as do my animal companions, I want to see them treated
in a humane way, but when a dog or cat repeatedly bites you, it's time
for it to be put down. Draw your own conclusion.
> In stead you guys spend all those years lying about it and harassing
> people who know what they are taking about.
Who are these "people" and how do we know that they know what they are
speaking about? Do such dumb bunnies actually exist, and still
breathe?
>The great unmaking of
> peoples effort. You fascists are the direct cause of the death of
> millions. Honestly!
Dhuh! I seriously doubt that you even know what a "Facist" is.
> You don't actually have anything substantial to show for your hoax
> accusations. In contrast you don't even know the basics of the
> contraption. Not up to a point where you can actually agree or
> disagree with anything.
You're revealing youself to be nothing short of a lunatic.
> You just lie and lie and lie again, it's lies all the way - scumbags.
> Does it give you pleasure to see people die? Is there satisfaction in
> starvation for your kind of person? What happened to classic greed and
> capitalism? Have you exchanged that for being a sadist? what an un-
> cool trend?
What lies. You can find documentation of what the educated and
informed posters tell you in any textbook. At last count, our evil
govenment was not restricting the communication of knowledge.
Hey Asshole, the US was the very first to offer to send relieve to
Burma, and in their infinite wisdom, the government of Burma would not
accept the relief. More than 100,000 people died becaue of their
learders, not the US.
Speak of insanity, this is it at its worst. Simply crazy. What
possible interest has the US in Burma? Nuff said. becais what is
happening ther sickens me.
> I made this fantastic 10 min documentary for you.
>
> http://nl.youtube.com/watch?v=2FA9wiMkXwE
> YouTube - Waterauto
It's the same old tired out Stan Meyer ripoff, played to a new
genration of dumb suckers. Nothing more needs to be said there.
>
> Try be a bit less uninspired. Do have some thoughts of your own. It's
> not like we are talking about Joe cells just jet?
Honestly, I have no idea what a "Joe Cell" is, nor "Jet".
You might want to expain what these terms mean.
> Stop acting like a child?
Yes, you are. Your parents would be shamed by your posts.
>
> Is that the key phrase?
The key phrase is "XYZZY", this gets you from the spring into the
cave. Other important key prhases are "PLUGH" and "Y2". Happy now?
You young kids...
Harry C.
hhc...@yahoo.com
> Eeyore wrote:
>
> > "gdewi...@gmail.com" wrote:
>
> >> hhc...@yahoo.com wrote:
> >>> Correct me if I am mistaken, isn't such a demonstration (in the very,
> >>> very rare cases where it is required) generally performed at a
> >>> location convenient to the USPTO, and not somewhere in England.
> >> We need clean water and energy for about 10 000 000 000 people and you
> >> have till yesterday to get it finished and working.
>
> > WTF are you raving on about now ?
>
> > If Meyer's process works why aren't YOU or any of the youtube idiots making
> > products based on it ?
>
> > Graham
>
> The most credible explanations for the "British Demonstration" was
> either that it did not happen or that the witnesses were grossly
> incompetent.
Don, I really don't believe any Englishman at the level of those
referenced would be that incompetent. I conclude that such a
demonstration never took place. After all Don, is there any forensic
type of evidence that it ever took place?
First, on what date where these demonstrations conducted. Has anyone
bothered to check with the airlines to determine that Stan Meyer flew
to England to perform that demonsration? Does Stan Meyer's passport
provide evidence that he ever flew to England to perform such a
demonstration.
Don, I realize that the Stan Meyer scam is insignifican to the current
affairs of our country. Still with all the believe in magic, the
occult, ghosts, and free energy present today, you would think that
some enthusiast would devote the time to actually research facts.
Then too, many of the entusiasts are people that are not interested in
fact. A belive in magic is simple, and prevent all the brain strain
associated in seeking truth.
That said Don, some of these what I term "True Believers" are pretty
nice people, and place more confidence it blievf rather than facts.
You may argue that it it is based on early religous education, but it
goes beyond that. Some people simply need to believe in something that
is bigger and better than the world that they face in their daily
lives. For me, such belifs are a mental opiate, where the world around
them appear more perfect and beautiful than it really is. Shades of
the movie "The Matrix".
Cutting to the bottom line, a vast majority of the "true believes" do
no wish to have their vision destroyed by science. I have not problems
with this, so long as no one is hurt phsically or financially. I don't
lose any sleep about a few broken hearts and dreams along the way.
Henceforth, my wrath will focus on the scammers and those that promote
or sell medical quackery. So be warned, this will not be a good
newsgroup to promote any Royal Rife, Abrams, or other quack medical
device. These kill people.
Harry C.
Don Lancaster
Researching the facts on Meyer can be outrageously expensive.
I was quoted $19,000.00 for transcribing the court transcripts off the
original tapes by their county recorder's office.
It is curious that nobody has yet shown enough interest in the Meyer
trial to find out what the Meyer trial was all about. Any transcripts,
of course, would be step 0001-A of any appeal.
The useful thing about Meyer is that it caused a greater truth to emerge:
Because of the staggering loss of exergy, electrolysis in any way,
shape, or form for bulk hydrogen energy from high value sources (such as
wind, pv, or grid) is GUARANTEED to flat out not happen.
Thus, even trying to convert high value electricity into hydrogen gas
for bulk energy is utterly, laughingly, and totally pointless.
http://www.tinaja.com/glib/morenrgf.pdf
CWatters
<gdew...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:b19cb6b7-ea04-4dba...@d77g2000hsb.googlegroups.com...
> http://groups.google.com/group/sci.energy.hydrogen/msg/78dc9358c876b54c?&q=spark+plug+electrolyser
> On Apr 12 2002, 5:05 am, h2op...@aol.comic (None of Your Business)
> wrote:
>> The bottom line is that Harry Conover is a confidence artist who is
>> quite successful in employing an obvious hoax technique
>> to defame numerous people in this NG.
>>
>
> Here is the video again kids.
>
>
Don Lancaster
>
>> Here is the video again kids.
>>
>> http://nl.youtube.com/watch?v=u5aqc_dpuA0
>>
>
>
Boy, a whole flock of 'em flew over that time.
http://www.tinaja.com/glib/bashpseu.pdf
hhc...@yahoo.com
Don, often it is simply not worth the expense to try and accurately
document the various schemes pandered by crackpots, and the ultimate
outsome.
Obvious to most people is the fact that if Stan Meyer had any ideas
of actual value, by now they would be being replicated and sold by
dozens of major firms. Obvious also is the fact that they are not.
For me, it is sufficient to simply let that old scam artist rest in
peace, or is in company of his fellow confidence artists, who can
spend eternity together, discussing how they fooled stupid people.
Harry C.
Don Lancaster
The scam is obvious one second into the video. It gets clinched with the
ac motor detail. Clearly, it is not even a very good scam.
But is the greater truth that I am trying to publish.
That little know thermodynamic fundamentals ABSOLUTELY GUARANTEE the
futility of ANY attempt at converting high value and high quality
electricity (such as wind, pv, fanbelt, or grid) into bulk hydrogen gas
energy.
http://www.tinaja.com/glib/morenrgf.pdf
The bottom line:
If you do not understand exergy, you SHOULD
NOT be pissing around with electrolysis.
If you do understand exergy, you WILL NOT
be pissing around with electrolysis.
Either way, the outcome is not the least in doubt.
gdew...@gmail.com
> I conclude that such a demonstration never took place.
Based on what you nazi swine.
You imagine the physical evidence was never delivered in all thousands
of cases.
That's who you are.
This is why you are a mass murdering Fascist swine.
knews4...@yahoo.com
It's NOT electrolysis.
There is no dependence on the passage of current/amps for the
breakdown of the dielectric (water) in the capacitor.
Meyer's process AS PATENTED is called "Electrical Polarization."
Subject: Re: Stanley Meyer's Court Case
From: "Ted Zettergren" <ted.zet...@swipnet.se>
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 15:59:28 +0100
John Feiereisen skrev i meddelandet <756atu$mkn
$1...@client2.news.psi.net>...
>For those of you who are unfamiliar, Stanley Meyer patented some
>equipment for fueling an IC engine with hydrogen. In addition to this
>legitimate work, he claimed to be able decompose water into hydrogen
>and oxygen with >100% thermal efficiency, thereby inventing a
>"water-powered car". He sold "marketing rights" for this technology
>to unsuspecting people, one of whom is a regular reader of s.e.h.
>
>Back a couple years, a couple of his investors got wise to his scam
>and took him to court, where Meyer was found guilty of "gross and
>egregious fraud" and ordered to repay those 'investors'. As far as I
>know, those were the only 'investors' who ever recouped their
>'investment'. Meyer died earlier this year and his followers insist
>he was poisoned (all good perpetual motion inventors are stalked by
>THE CONSPIRACY).
>
>After being found guilty of fraud, Meyer sent a long rambling letter
>to the remainder of his 'investors', obviously hoping to ward off a
>spate of trials which would have drained him of his ill-gotten gains.
>It was replete with conspiracy paranoia and claimed that a recording
>device in the courtroom was turned off so the judge (obviously working
>under the direction of THE CONSPIRACY) could railroad Meyer into an
>unjust guilty verdict.
>
>As far as I know, Meyer's home base was Grove City, Ohio, and the
>court case took place in Shelby county, Ohio. I am going to be
>passing through Ohio in a couple weeks and Grove City is but 3 miles
>off my planned route. I can pass through Shelby county with only
>minor adjustment of my planned route through Indiana. I figured I'd
>stop in at the courthouse and see if I can pick up copies of the
>records of the trial.
>
>Does anybody know precisely where and when the trial took place?
>City, county, etc., date(s)??? Possibly an official case name?
>
>Thanks.
>
VERY GOOD Mr. Feiereisen
Take a copy of the tape fromx that trial and put it on the Real Player
so we all can listen to what really happened in the Court.
The most interesting is to hear what the WFC Expert Witnesses and
Electrical Engineer Mathias Johanson has to say.
The first part of the trial started on Thursday/Friday, 1/2 February
1996 before Judge William Corzine III at the Common Pleas Court,
Chillicothe, Ohio.
By the way. If you like to do some experiment, try this.
AT FIRST:
You must know the difference between a chemical reaction and a
nuclear reaction. A lot of people don't understand that but they like
to argue a lot in every NG on Internet.
In a chemical reaction you need a lot of current and some salt for
making the water conductive.
In a nuclear reaction you don't need any current at all, only high
voltage. How much current you need in a real application depends
on how clean your water is. As cleaner as better.
Stanley Meyers method's have NOTHING to do with chemical
reactions.
HOW TO?
As a guide, you need US Patent 4,936,961 ref. figure 1 to 3F.
If you read something about magical frequencyis, forget that.
It works fine with 10KHz or something else if you preferred.
Use 50% duty cycle. BUT! the frequency will be doubled in the
step up circuit and that's the frequency the Water-Cell will work
with. The components must resist at least 2000V.
The Water-Cell is very simple. Take a lot of stainless steel tubes
with the inner diameter of the bigger tube 3mm bigger than the outer
diameter of the inner tube. From now you must look at this
Water-Cell as a capacitor with water as dilectricum.
The Water-Cell and the INDUCTOR will resonate at a specific
frequency. It's a normal RC-circuit.
Now the most important: The Water-Cell/Inductor frequency and
the doubled frequency from the generator must be exactly the
same. A special condition exists in a L/C Circuit, when it is
energized at a frequency at which the inductive reactance is equal
to the capacitive reactance, XL = XC.
Adjust the voltage peak level to reach a maximum hydrogen/oxygen
producing with a minimum of current using. If you earlier make
hydrogen with the electrolysis method with a lot of current,
this experiment will really surprise you.
For even less current you can make some experiment with a
centertapped puls-transformer.
Have a nice trip to Ohio!
Ted!
Can you build a basic circuit Donny?
It doesn't appear so.
hhc...@yahoo.com
ROFL! Damn this guy is one really confused puppy.
Harry C.
hhc...@yahoo.com
> Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 15:59:28 +0100
>
> John Feiereisen skrev i meddelandet <756atu$mkn
>
> - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
Yawn! JW is still posting the same old same old.
Frankly, after years of his posts, his clueless rants are becoming
boring.
Where is Michael Hannon when we need him to provide a bit of humor?
Harry C.
p.s., It might be fun to combine JW with Michael Hannon, with JW being
once again Hannon's sock puppet. This combination could be ever
funnier than their posts in the old days, 5 or 6 years back. Perhaps
they could adapt Hannon's Brown's Gas generator with Meyer's "Dune
Buggy" and blow off the remaining half of the state!
CWatters
<knews4...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:c1452d1b-9fc6-4546...@l28g2000prd.googlegroups.com...
> It's NOT electrolysis.
> There is no dependence on the passage of current/amps for the
> breakdown of the dielectric (water) in the capacitor.
> Meyer's process AS PATENTED is called "Electrical Polarization."
Unfortunately he wasn't able to prove that in court. The court appears to
have decided that it was indeed just electrolysis...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stanley_Meyer
"Meyer's claims about the Water Fuel Cell and the car that it powered were
found to be fraudulent by an Ohio court in 1996 [1]
[1] ^ a b c d e f g h Edwards, Tony. "End of road for car that ran on
Water", The Sunday Times, Times Newspapers Limited, 1996-12-01, p. Features
12. Retrieved on 2007-05-16.
Sunday Times Innovation 1 Dec. 96 (http://www.sunday-times.co.uk)
End of road for car that ran on Water
American court finds inventor of water-powered car is guilty of fraud.
Report by Tony Edwards
It appears to be the end of the road for maverick inventor Stanley Meyer and
his water-powered car after a recent American court verdict.
The car was a wonderful, if unlikely, dream while it lasted, offering a
pollution-free future powered by a limitless source of energy. But the
dream was shattered when Meyer was found guilty of fraud after his Water
Fuel Cell was tested before an Ohio judge.
It is rare for an inventor to be prosecuted for an invention that does not
work, but Meyer's problem was that he had been selling "dealerships",
offering investors the "right to do business'' in Water Fuel Cell tech-
nology in anticipation of the day when water would power anything From
domestic boilers to cars and aircraft.
But recently two suspicious investors could not wait for that day to dawn
and sued Meyer to get their money back.
Meyer defended, maintaining his long-held claim that the Water Fuel Cell was
a truly
revolutionary invention that could split water into its two constituent
gases of hydrogen and oxygen far more efficiently than conventional
electrolysis. The secret, he said, was to "resonate" electricity at a very
high voltage through water and so "fracture" the hydrogen/oxygen molecular
bond. This, he claimed, opened the way for a car which would "run on wat-
er", powered simply by a car battery. The car would even run for ever since
the energy needed to continue the "fracturing" was so low that the bat-
tery could be recharged: from the engine's dynamo.
Meyer claimed to have adapted a 1.6-litre Volkswagen Dune Buggy to run on
water. He replaced the sparkplugs with "injectors" which, he said, sprayed
water as a fine mist in a "resonant cavity" where it was bombarded by a
succession of high-voltage electrical pulses. He claimed this instantly
converted the water into a mixture of hydrogen and oxygen that could be
combusted in the cylinders, driving the pistons just as in an ordinary
petrol engine.
One of the experts due toe xamine the car was Michael Laughton, professor
of electrical engineering at Queen Mary and Westfield University, London,
but he was not allowed to see it. "Although Meyer had known about our
visit weeks in advance, when we arrived he made some lame excuse about why
the car wasn't working, so it was impossible to evaluate it," said
Laughton.
However, the one thing Meyer had built that appeared to work was his Water
Fuel Cell, and it was this device that the Ohio judge called as evidence in
the recent lawsuit.
The cell had been the centrepiece of Meyer's sales pitches. It was a
transparent cylinder of water inside which was a core of stainless steel
electrodes. When plugged into an electrical supply,the cell bubbled away
merrily, producing apparently copious amounts of gas that Meyer ignited
through a welding torch.To the layman it was an impressive performance and
hundreds of small investors signed up, but it did not impress three expert
witnesses in court.
They decided that there was nothing revolutionary about the cell at all and
that it was simply using conventional electrolysis.
Meyer was found guilty of "gross and egregious fraud" and ordered to repay
the investors their $25,000 (£15,000).
CWatters
"Don Lancaster" <d...@tinaja.com> wrote in message
news:69li5iF...@mid.individual.net...
> CWatters wrote:
>>
>>> Here is the video again kids.
>>>
>>> http://nl.youtube.com/watch?v=u5aqc_dpuA0
>>>
>>
>
> Boy, a whole flock of 'em flew over that time.
>
> http://www.tinaja.com/glib/bashpseu.pdf
>
>
> --
> Many thanks,
A case of oops wrong button on my part.
Eeyore
"gdew...@gmail.com" wrote:
> Here is the video again kids.
>
> http://nl.youtube.com/watch?v=u5aqc_dpuA0
Meaningless nonsense.
Graham
knews4...@yahoo.com
The expermenter told you how to build a basic circuit to test
yourself.
Do anything but build a circuit right CONman?
Great science Railroad Harry.
Fred Kasner
Ifear for your sanity, JW. You have been quite forcefully shown the many
errors in the above that you quote. Yet you continue to quote it. Why?
It is so full of fundamental errors that it can't even bother to be
called wrong. It is beyond wrong. It is utter nonsense. Yet you continue
to repost it as if it were some kind of holy writ. JW you need medical
help. Get it soon so you can start to have some kind of life based on
rational reaction to the world of truths around you. You really need
help, JW.
FK
JP
<colin.watt...@NOturnersoakSPAM.plus.com> wrote:
> <knews4u2c...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
> news:c1452d1b-9fc6-4546...@l28g2000prd.googlegroups.com...
> > It's NOT electrolysis.
>
> > There is no dependence on the passage of current/amps for the
> > breakdown of the dielectric (water) in the capacitor.
> > Meyer's process AS PATENTED is called "Electrical Polarization."
>
> Unfortunately he wasn't able to prove that in court. The court appears to
> have decided that it was indeed just electrolysis...
>
Eeyore
JP wrote:
> You must know the difference between a chemical reaction and a
> nuclear reaction. A lot of people don't understand that but they like
> to argue a lot in every NG on Internet.
>
> In a chemical reaction you need a lot of current and some salt for
> making the water conductive.
>
> In a nuclear reaction you don't need any current at all, only high
> voltage. How much current you need in a real application depends
> on how clean your water is. As cleaner as better.
>
> Stanley Meyers method's have NOTHING to do with chemical
> reactions.
Just this alone shows what a deluded IDIOT you are.
Graham
gdew...@gmail.com
wrote:
> Just this alone shows what a deluded IDIOT you are.
>
And you are here to tell him this over and over again year after year.
Millions die as a direct result of your lie.
http://missions.blogsome.com/2005/11/
That is your doing. You want that.
Lets not make any mistake about it Bill O'reilly.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2tJjNVVwRCY
To play us out = to end the show
bye bye now
gdew...@gmail.com
<colin.watt...@NOturnersoakSPAM.plus.com> wrote:
>
> Unfortunately he wasn't able to prove that in court. The court appears to
> have decided that it was indeed just electrolysis...
>
Read this fucking page this time you fucking idiot.
Wikipeidia imbecile.
gdew...@gmail.com
> [snip]
Spoken like the true facist you are Kasner.
Bill Ward
Do you even know what a fascist is?
Eeyore
"gdew...@gmail.com" wrote:
> Eeyore wrote:
>
> > Just this alone shows what a deluded IDIOT you are.
> > (excerpt of mindless unscientific bable snioped)
>
> And you are here to tell him this over and over again year after year.
>
> Millions die as a direct result of your lie.
No they don't. You're a bloody MORON.
Stop spewing your ignorant shit here or I'll have words with your ISP
about the abuse your resort to and you can expect at least revocation of
posting privileges. You're way past being an amusing distraction.
Lying to people (as you do) to encourage them to believe in fairy stories
about 'free energy' is about as low as it gets.
Graham
Eeyore
"gdew...@gmail.com" wrote:
> Fred Kasner <fkas...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> > [snip]
>
> Spoken like the true facist you are Kasner.
Please report Internet Abuse to:ab...@multikabel.nl
Quoting NNTP-Posting-Host: 84.104.135.195
Eeyore
"gdew...@gmail.com" wrote:
Please report Internet Abuse to:ab...@multikabel.nl
Quoting NNTP-Posting-Host: 84.104.135.195
Eeyore
Bill Ward wrote:
> gdew...@gmail.com wrote:
> >Fred Kasner <fkas...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> >> [snip]
> >
> > Spoken like the true facist you are Kasner.
>
> Do you even know what a fascist is?
Probably he doesn't but what I'd like to know is what a 'facist' is !
Graham
gdew...@gmail.com
wrote:
> Bill Ward wrote:
I don't have to accept your stalking Graham.
You are a Facist because that is what facism means.
Fascism is a government, faction, movement, or political philosophy
that raises nationalism, and frequently race, above the individual and
is characterized by a centralized autocratic state governed by a
dictatorial head, stringent organization of the economy and society,
and aggressive repression of opposition.[1] In addition to placing the
interests of the individual as subordinate to that of the nation or
race, fascism seeks to achieve a national rebirth by promoting cults
of unity, energy and purity.[2][3][4][5]
Fascists promote a type of national unity that is usually based on
(but not limited to) ethnic, cultural, national, racial, and/or
religious attributes. Various scholars attribute different
characteristics to fascism, but the following elements are usually
seen as its integral parts: patriotism, nationalism, statism,
militarism, totalitarianism, anti-communism, economic planning
(including corporatism and autarky), populism, collectivism, autocracy
and anti-liberalism (i.e., opposition to political and economic
liberalism).[6][7][8][9][10][11][12]
Some authors reject broad usage of the term or exclude certain parties
and regimes.[13] Following the defeat of the Axis powers in World War
II, there have been few self-proclaimed fascist groups and
individuals. In contemporary political discourse, the term fascist is
often used by adherents of some ideologies as a pejorative description
of their opponents.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascism
There are zero posts that suggest you want to talk bout Stanley Meyer.
It is always hate speech and harrasment with you.
I don't need to hear from you who you think are idiots.
If you don't like being a Facist then you can stop assulting posters
you facist Swine.
gdew...@gmail.com
:> On May 22, 11:47 am,
"CWatters"<colin.watt...@NOturnersoakSPAM.plus.com> wrote:
:> > <knews4u2c...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
:>
a8e0-7d7...@l28g2000prd.googlegroups.com...
:> > > It's NOT electrolysis.
:>
:> > > There is no dependence on the passage of current/amps for the
:> > > breakdown of the dielectric (water) in the capacitor.
:> > > Meyer's process AS PATENTED is called "Electrical
Polarization."
:>
:> > Unfortunately he wasn't able to prove that in court. The court
appears to
:> > have decided that it was indeed just electrolysis...
:>
:> Subject: Re: Stanley Meyer's Court Case
:> Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 15:59:28 +0100
:>
:> John Feiereisen skrev i meddelandet <756atu$mkn
There are a lot of websites and there are a lot of experimenters. The
successful one's always disappear from public sight rather quickly. A
bit like the serious discussions.
This guy makes a good comparison.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wBPHzk0jZxg
Cant have biodiesel, cant have hemp oil, cant have hydrogen, cant have
electric cars.
look at that. That is what happens.
Diesel drowned himself right?
Yeah sure!
Eeyore
"gdew...@gmail.com" wrote:
> Eeyore wrote:
> > Bill Ward wrote:
> > > gdewi...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > >Fred Kasner <fkas...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> > > >> [snip]
> >
> > > > Spoken like the true facist you are Kasner.
> >
> > > Do you even know what a fascist is?
> >
> > Probably he doesn't but what I'd like to know is what a 'facist' is !
> >
> > Graham
>
> I don't have to accept your stalking Graham.
>
> You are a Facist because that is what facism means.
I suggest you invest in a spell-checker before spouting even more of your
idiotic nonsense.
Graham
gdew...@gmail.com
> On Thu, 22 May 2008 22:30:13 -0700, gdewi...@gmail.com wrote:
> > On May 23, 12:25 am, Fred Kasner <fkas...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> >> [snip]
>
> > Spoken like the true facist you are Kasner.
>
> Do you even know what a fascist is?
Your answers are telling.
On Mar 4 2007, 10:19 am, Bill Ward <bw...@REMOVETHISix.netcom.com>
wrote:
> On Sat, 03 Mar 2007 23:42:50 -0800, gdewi...@gmail.com wrote:
> > On Mar 4, 5:05 am, j...@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
> >> In sci.physics Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelati...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> >> > j...@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
> >> > > Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelati...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >> > > > Bill Ward wrote:
> >> > > > > Eeyore wrote:
> >> > > > > > "gdewi...@gmail.com" wrote:
> >> > > > > >> Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelati...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >> > > > > >> > "gdewi...@gmail.com" wrote:
> >> > > > > >> > > The world is full of idiots.
>
> >> > > > > >> > You should know !
>
> >> > > > > >> > > I suggest you learn to live with the thought. lol
>
> >> > > > > >> > >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZllEFERJBXc
>
> >> > > > > >> > > GM has had the atomichydrogentorch for quite some time
> >> > > > > >> > > now.
>
> >> > > > > >> > LMFAO !
>
> >> > > > > >> > He said GE actually.
>
> >> > > > > >> You are right, it never left the electric department. My
> >> > > > > >> mistake, sorry.
>
> >> > > > Department ?
>
> >> > > > GE and GM are entirely different companies/entities.
>
> >> > > > > >> "Hydrogencan be dissociated in an electrical arc in an
> >> > > > > >> atomichydrogentorch. The recombination of the atoms
> >> > > > > >> produces a very high temperature, 4000?C to 5000?C, that can
> >> > > > > >> be used for welding."
> >> > > > > >>http://www.du.edu/~jcalvert/phys/hydrogen.htm
>
> >> > > > > > Yes, the temperature of ahydrogenflame is very high.
>
> >> > > > > It isn't just ahydrogenflame, Graham, it's an _atomic_
> >> > > > >hydrogenflame. Much of the energy comes from the recombination
> >> > > > > of monotomichydrogento diatomic.
>
> >> > > > Utter drivel !
>
> >> > > Nope, he's correct.
>
> >> > > The process was invented in 1926 and commonly used until a bit after
> >> > > WWII.
>
> >> > > Today it is concidered a niche technique and seldom used.
> >> > Where does the mono-atomichydrogencome from ?
>
> >> Basically, you blow ordinaryhydrogenthrough an electric arc. To make a
> >> working torch requires a bit of engineering.
>
> >> I'm sure you can find the details with a Google search.
>
> >> This is not oxy-hydrogenwelding, which is a bit more common and mostly
> >> used underwater because you can't get the required pressures with
> >> acetylene.
>
> >> And before any nimrod even suggests it, no, it does not generate energy,
> >> it changes electrical energy into extremely high temperatures.
>
> > It is possible to separate thehydrogenat "to low" energy costs.
>
> > Stanley Meyer
> > * U.S. Patent 5,149,407 : Process and apparatus for the production
> > of fuel gas and the enhanced release of thermal energy from such gas
> > * U.S. Patent 4,936,961 : Method for the production of a fuel gas *
> > U.S. Patent 4,826,581 : Controlled process for the production of
> > thermal energy from gases and apparatus useful therefore
> > * U.S. Patent 4,798,661 : Gas generator voltage control circuit * U.S.
> > Patent 4,613,779 : Electrical pulse generator * U.S. Patent 4,613,304
> > : Gas electricalhydrogengenerator * U.S. Patent 4,465,455 :
> > Start-up/shut-down for ahydrogengas
> > burner
> > * U.S. Patent 4,421,474 :Hydrogengas burner * U.S. Patent 4,389,981
> > :Hydrogengas injector system for
> > internal combustion engine
>
> > besides from a long list of potentially imaginary witnesses the US patents
> > on various parts of the WFC system were granted under Section 101 by the
> > US Patent Office, thus the hardware involved in the patents has been
> > examined experimentally by US Patent Office experts and their seconded
> > experts and all the claims have been established.
>
> > Almost a note:Hydrogenengines are (about) two and one half times as
> > powerful as gasoline. The byproduct of the combustion is water vapor. So
> > we can also keep humans in the same enviro-thingy.
>
> > also interesting:
>
> > dennis klein
> >http://hytechapps.com/get_aquygen
>
> > and:
> >http://www.eagle-research.com
>
> > I'm sure most will think their 10 sec. guess is much more accurate as real
> > research. Maybe I'm just rambling and the patent office has gone all
> > loopsy. Should we shake sticks at em? what do you think? For now I think I
> > we can ask anyone why they are not using it?
>
> > Could that be because it's forbidden to talk about it?
>
> > Your comment will tell.......
>
> Now, _that's_ drivel. Stan was a fraud, the patent office doesn't
> require demo models, H2 - air engine conversions _lose_ max power,
> due to the low density of H2, and TANSTAAFL. Get a grip.
>
> Bill Ward
Very real, no investors of course that is thanks to your hate
speeching buddies.
I'm sure most will think their 10 sec. guess is much more accurate as
real research. Maybe I'm just rambling and the patent office has gone
all loopsy. Should we shake sticks at em? what do you think? For now I
think I we can ask anyone why they are not using it?
"the patent office doesn't require demo models"
Well well liar?
A patent under 101 that doesn't require a working model?
Then what does the code stand for?
Does it stand for "working model"??
I don't think I'm interested in wasting my time with an ignorant sack
of shit like you.
You go read your first page of patent law kid.
A lecture of lies is not what I'm interested in.
Please don't bother.
I actually read documentation, that makes your guesses what things are
rather non-essential.
One may wonder why you are lying about patents.
The lie is pretty damn obvious, I don't even have to show it is.
Everyone can see at first sight that your claims that a patent is
never granted after showing a working model is a gross lie.
The patent office deliberately said he was not getting a patent on
conventional electrolysis.
This is why he showed the device.
This gives away a second time how you are not at all familiar with the
material.
Eeyore
"gdew...@gmail.com" wrote:
> There are a lot of websites and there are a lot of experimenters. The
> successful one's always disappear from public sight rather quickly.
No-one has EVER produced hydrogen from water on an over-unity basis.
I expect the sites vanish when the 'experimenters' discover what tits they
made of themselves and can't deal with the shame of being taken for
suckers.
> A bit like the serious discussions.
You wouldn't know a serious discussion if it stood up and bit you in the
arse/ass.
Graham
gdew...@gmail.com
wrote:
>
> I suggest you invest in a spell-checker before spouting even more of your
> idiotic nonsense.
>
Clean and abundant energy for everyone my facist buddy.
I can understand the thought is rather upsetting to your agenda of
mass death.
Perhaps you can complaint to my ISP about me hindering your baby
killing agenda.
http://africa.reuters.com/wire/news/usnL22410202.html
High food prices are here to stay for the foreseeable future,
potentially forcing millions more people into hunger, two reports from
the United Nations and the OECD showed on Thursday.
A surge in commodity prices in the last year was not a blip and prices
will remain at or above current levels for at least the next decade as
some of the main underpinning factors -- demand for a richer diet, the
rise of biofuels and high oil prices -- will remain, one of the
reports said.
"Food is no longer the cheap commodity that it once was," said Hafez
Ghanem, assistant director-general of the U.N. Food and Agriculture
Organisation (FAO).
"Rising food prices are bound to worsen the already unacceptable level
of food deprivation suffered by 854 million people. We are facing the
risk that the number of hungry will increase by many more millions of
people," he said.
Eeyore
"gdew...@gmail.com" wrote:
> "the patent office doesn't require demo models"
Indeed it doesn't.
> Well well liar?
>
> A patent under 101 that doesn't require a working model?
None of Meyer's patent claims involved over-unity so no working model was
required.
All Meyer claims is an electrolyser with a novel source of input power. Have you
even read it ?
Graham
Eeyore
gdew...@gmail.com
wrote:
Up to 6 million children under the age of five are at risk of
malnutrition in Ethiopia because of rising cereal prices and the
failure of rains, the UN's children agency, Unicef, has warned.
Dry spells across much of the country since last September have led to
big food shortages, humanitarian agencies say. In recent weeks the
effects have become visible, with increases in cases of kwashiorkor
and severe acute malnutrition, particularly in southern Ethiopia,
where 126,000 children require urgent therapeutic treatment.
John Holmes, the UN's undersecretary general for humanitarian affairs
and emergency relief coordinator, said he was deeply concerned by
Ethiopia's food insecurity, the worst since the drought-related
humanitarian crisis in 2003.
With crops expected to fail following a poor March to May rainy
season, which in good years allows farmers to produce a second crop,
the situation is expected to worsen.
"We will need a rapid scaling up of resources, especially food and
nutritional supplies, to make increased life-saving aid a reality,"
Holmes said.
Samuel Akale, a nutritionist with the government's disaster prevention
agency, warned that the situation would get worse. "The number of
severely malnourished will increase, and then they'll die," he told
Associated Press.
Ethiopia has made gains in reducing dependency on food relief, and has
cut its infant mortality rate by a quarter over the past five years.
But with poverty still widespread, and the country host to 80 million
people, the second largest population in sub-Saharan Africa, it
remains deeply susceptible to the weather's vagaries.
The World Food Programme (WFP) says that besides the 8 million people
supported by a long-term food safety net system, at least 3.4 million
people are in need of emergency humanitarian aid. It appealed for an
urgent response from donors, citing a 183,000 tonne food shortfall,
which would cost $147m (nearly £75m) to bridge.
Unicef is asking for $50m, but there are concerns that the
international focus on disasters in China and Burma will see the
appeal fall short. An earlier request for $20m to fund its emergency
nutrition programme raised $1m.
The worst hit areas are the Southern Nations, Nationalities and
People's Region, the Somalia region, and Oromiya, where the number of
severely malnourished children admitted to one Unicef-supported
hospital increased from 26 to 61 over the past week. Livestock losses
are also growing.
There is also increasing concern about the northern regions of Afar,
Amhara and Tigray, where crop failure is expected following
disappointing rains.
Rising global costs of fuel, fertiliser and staple foods are
compounding the problem, especially for the poorest Ethiopians. In the
six months to February, the price of maize and sorghum nearly doubled,
according to the WFP, while wheat jumped by 54%.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/may/20/ethiopia
gdew...@gmail.com
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/04/25/AR2008042503278.html
Prices for rice, corn, wheat and other food staples have skyrocketed
in recent months, driven by record oil costs, severe droughts, the
diversion of corn for ethanol use and rapidly growing demand in China
and India, according to U.N. officials and other experts. In some of
the poorest countries of Africa and Asia, where food costs can consume
three-quarters of household income, prices have more than doubled in
six months.
The escalating prices have sparked riots in more than a dozen nations,
from Cameroon to Bangladesh to the Philippines. World Bank President
Robert B. Zoellick warns that more than 30 nations are at risk of
social unrest from the crisis and that at least 100 million additional
people could be pushed into poverty in coming months.
The crisis has even spilled over into the United States, where Costco
and other retailers have implemented limits on rice purchases. Sen.
Charles E. Schumer (D-N.Y.) has scheduled a hearing on the impact of
rising food prices on U.S. families.
Some rice-growing countries such as Vietnam and India have blocked
exports of the grain in an attempt to stabilize their domestic
markets, further increasing pressure on global prices. Pakistan's food
minister Thursday raised the prospect of similar steps in Islamabad.
Administration officials say they are particularly concerned about the
possible security ramifications of the food crisis, and the topic is
receiving increased attention from the National Security Council and
its staff. Many of the affected countries -- including Egypt,
Indonesia and two of the world's nuclear powers, India and Pakistan --
are of strategic interest to Washington.
http://www.articlesbase.com/health-articles/is-your-water-dead-or-alive-415608.html
Researchers have recently discovered that natural, healthy living
water has several vital properties, including a certain molecular
shape and ph which are necessary to properly hydrate our cells. Early
1900's famous scientist Victor Schauberger create the term "living
water" after he discovered that natural hexagonal, snowflake like
water clusters are found in healing waters around the world, and that
this geometrical structural is what gives the water its healing
properties. Some of the famous healing springs such as Lourdes, Vichy,
Evian and Perrier in France, have remarkable effects on hearts, liver
and kidney ailments, skin diseases, asthma, digestive disorder and
other illness. In pristine places called 'longevity village", people
live to the age of 100 and beyond in remarkably good health. One
factor responsible for this remarkable health and longevity was the
water from the melted ice and snow of the Himalayas. Since freezing is
one of nature's regenerative mechanisms, snow water is one of the
healthiest forms of water. It naturally has the vital properties and
forms small hexagonal clusters.
Not all water hydrates cells and supports life functions equally.
Living water can easily penetrate the cells and performs all of its
functions. Dead water, on the other hands, must be reformed and
revitalized by the body before it can be utilized. Researchers have
determined that drinking living water can improve health and longevity
but drinking dead water can make cells dehydrate.
Eeyore
"gdew...@gmail.com" wrote:
> Eeyore wrote:
> > "gdewi...@gmail.com" wrote:
> > > Perhaps you can complaint to my ISP
> >
> > I'm VERY tempted to.
> >
> > Graham
>
> Up to 6 million children under the age of five are at risk of
> malnutrition in Ethiopia because of rising cereal prices and the
> failure of rains, the UN's children agency, Unicef, has warned.
Decades of tribal and religious war don't have anything to do with it ?
Give it a break. The more you 'help' the Africans the more they kill each
other.
Graham
Eeyore
"gdew...@gmail.com" wrote:
> Eeyore wrote:
> > "gdewi...@gmail.com" wrote:
> > > Perhaps you can complaint to my ISP
> >
> > I'm VERY tempted to.
> >
> > Graham
>
> http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/04/25/AR2008042503278.html
> Prices for rice, corn, wheat and other food staples have skyrocketed
> in recent months, driven by record oil costs, severe droughts, the
> diversion of corn for ethanol use and rapidly growing demand in China
> and India, according to U.N. officials and other experts.
And what does this have to do with Meyer's frauds ?
Graham
gdew...@gmail.com
wrote:
http://www.wateronline.com/article.mvc/Mexico-Facing-Water-Shortage-0001?VNETCOOKIE=NO
His statement speaks volumes about the history of Mexico's water
infrastructure. The country has had water trouble for as long as
anyone can remember. Now Mexico is drying up, and has been cut off
from much of the water that used to flow from the U.S. This is
troubling when already 12 million of Mexico's citizens have no running
water at home. Some 26 million have no sewage service. The problem is
compounded by Mexico's widespread pollution and almost three-quarters
of the country's natural water reserves are contaminated to some
degree according to Mexico's National Water Commission.