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Raleigh Myers

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Jan 13, 2006, 9:52:01 PM1/13/06
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The Solar Budget Is How the Planet Works

The Solar Hydrogen Economy is the Gandhi strategy, the missing part to
civilization's greater puzzle and the key to the elusive paradigm shift.
http://raenergy.igc.org/H2solution.html


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fkasner

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Jan 14, 2006, 3:32:32 PM1/14/06
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Have you made your obeiscance tot Zarathustra this day? Nothing like
believing versus hard facts and immutable laws of nature; however you
prefer faith.
FK

Raleigh Myers

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Jan 15, 2006, 11:49:52 PM1/15/06
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"fkasner" <fka...@enteract.com> wrote in message
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As for our Attack Jackals they just can't see the Solar budget seriousness.
We can not burn the planet to heat it _ burning the furniture to heat the
house :) Hydrogen is something that has to be made to work. it is not an
economics exercise it is amoral one.

Mike McWilliams

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Jan 16, 2006, 10:30:31 AM1/16/06
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Raleigh Myers wrote:
> The Solar Budget Is How the Planet Works
>
> The Solar Hydrogen Economy is the Gandhi strategy, the missing part to
> civilization's greater puzzle and the key to the elusive paradigm shift.

H2 has nothing to do with the solar budget.

It might be more worth your while to look at natural sources for
biodiesel before you go spouting off about dangerous gas.

Raleigh Myers

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Jan 16, 2006, 11:27:51 AM1/16/06
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"Mike McWilliams" <michael.m...@drdc-rddc.gc.ca> wrote in message
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H2 has nothing to do with the solar budget.
>
> It might be more worth your while to look at natural sources for biodiesel
> before you go spouting off about dangerous gas.
>


The Solar Hydrogen economy is the only way we can stay within the solar
budget and share the planet equally. It is not an economic issue it is a
moral one. Furthermore the entire universe is built on multiples of
Hydrogen.
http://raenergy.igc.org/stupid.html#Hydrogen


It takes about ten acres per vehicle to operate it on agi fuel. We are now
totally stressed today with our meat and dairy diet.
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.activism.progressive/msg/53733c1278592cb3?q=Cows+or+Us&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&rnum=1

Natural Gas is 95 Percent Hydrogen but Hydrogen rises and natural gas
settles. The natural gas is more dangerous for that reason . Nobody is
condemning natural gas, so how do get that into a fortune cookie message

Don Lancaster

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Jan 16, 2006, 12:15:00 PM1/16/06
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Raleigh Myers wrote:

> Natural Gas is 95 Percent Hydrogen

Not even wrong.

Methane is CH4

Natural gas is 25 percent hydrogen.

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Mike McWilliams

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Jan 16, 2006, 4:10:40 PM1/16/06
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Raleigh Myers wrote:
> "Mike McWilliams" <michael.m...@drdc-rddc.gc.ca> wrote in message
> news:11374254...@coyote.suffield.drdc-rddc.gc.ca...
>
>
> H2 has nothing to do with the solar budget.
>
>>It might be more worth your while to look at natural sources for biodiesel
>>before you go spouting off about dangerous gas.
>>
>
>
>
> The Solar Hydrogen economy is the only way we can stay within the solar
> budget and share the planet equally. It is not an economic issue it is a
> moral one. Furthermore the entire universe is built on multiples of
> Hydrogen.
> http://raenergy.igc.org/stupid.html#Hydrogen
>

you are smoking some rather strong tobacco if you believe that.


>
> It takes about ten acres per vehicle to operate it on agi fuel. We are now
> totally stressed today with our meat and dairy diet.
> http://groups.google.com/group/misc.activism.progressive/msg/53733c1278592cb3?q=Cows+or+Us&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&rnum=1

In case you decided not to pay attention, biodiesel can be developed on
"waste" land which is not suitable for crops. Therefore is won't impact
the arable land issues. It also keeps a carbon balance, so it's pretty
attractive.


>
> Natural Gas is 95 Percent Hydrogen but Hydrogen rises and natural gas
> settles. The natural gas is more dangerous for that reason . Nobody is
> condemning natural gas, so how do get that into a fortune cookie message
>

I never advocated natural gas, but I do suggest that we transition
slowly to a "solar economy". However, hydrogen is not going to play a
major role except as a constituent of bio-generated hydrocarbons. H2 is
a waste of energy. You must sacrifice high quality power to generate a
low quality explosive gas. I hope you've given up smoking that strong
tobacco if you are ever around large quantities of hydrogen.


and for the record, I've been to your website, and while interesting is
not particularly informative.

bw

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Jan 16, 2006, 4:37:28 PM1/16/06
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"Don Lancaster" <d...@tinaja.com> wrote in message
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> Raleigh Myers wrote:
>
>> Natural Gas is 95 Percent Hydrogen
>
> Not even wrong.
>
> Methane is CH4
>
> Natural gas is 25 percent hydrogen.

Using chemical atomic weights, obviously, but you knew what he meant.

http://www.uniongas.com/aboutus/aboutng/composition.asp

Don Lancaster

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Jan 16, 2006, 4:59:36 PM1/16/06
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I knew that what he meant was not even wrong.
Your point?

bw

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Jan 16, 2006, 5:02:52 PM1/16/06
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"bw" <bwe...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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The link shows the NG composition. I mis-read the Raleigh Myers line as 95%
Methane, because I assumed everyone knows that. Anyone who says NG is 95% H2
is obviously dead wrong.


Raleigh Myers

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Jan 16, 2006, 7:29:22 PM1/16/06
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"Mike McWilliams" <michael.m...@drdc-rddc.gc.ca> wrote in message
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You seem to be the smoke hound sonny boy.
I can't compete with interesting video games but the synergy of this can
give your progeny some room to coexist.
The planet can't take the smoke of the carbon fuels.
Hydrogen is the fuel that does the work.
The carbon like the tubules storage container increases the density.
We need to resort to the lesser density version and curtail our needs .
The hidden value of the Hydrogen is we can deliver it as the water supply as
well and structure our needs so we can share the planet.
http://raenergy.igc.org/stupid.html#Hydrogen


bw

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Jan 16, 2006, 10:31:12 PM1/16/06
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"Don Lancaster" <d...@tinaja.com> wrote in message
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> bw wrote:
weights, obviously, but you knew what he meant.
>>
>> http://www.uniongas.com/aboutus/aboutng/composition.asp
>>
>>
>>
> I knew that what he meant was not even wrong.
> Your point?

It was my mistake.
I didn't know Myers was a new SEH troll.


Bill Ward

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Jan 16, 2006, 11:13:47 PM1/16/06
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He's not new - he's a reincarnation of Sparky, the master of
power transmission. His enthusiasm gets way ahead of his
knowledge.

Regards,

Bill Ward
>

Mike McWilliams

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Jan 17, 2006, 6:16:51 PM1/17/06
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Raleigh Myers wrote:

>>and for the record, I've been to your website, and while interesting is
>>not particularly informative.
>
>
> You seem to be the smoke hound sonny boy.
> I can't compete with interesting video games but the synergy of this can
> give your progeny some room to coexist.
> The planet can't take the smoke of the carbon fuels.
> Hydrogen is the fuel that does the work.

Electrolytic hydrogen comes from burnt oil at much lower useability at
the current time. In time it may come from nuclear power, but prior to
that, people will likely pursue synthetic liquid fuels because they are
safer and the infrastructure already exists.

Solar hydrogen seems like a pretty big pipedream. If you are using a
solar collector, why wouldn't you make and store electricity. Some solar
electric designs even cover night generation by using heat capture media
which continue to run turbines at night.

> The carbon like the tubules storage container increases the density.
> We need to resort to the lesser density version and curtail our needs .

At the current time, energy density of the theoretical carbon tubule
storage doesn't look like it's going to match current battery
technology. Especialy if the hydrogen is electrolytic.

why would anyone want a combustion engine when they could use the much
simpler, much more efficient electric apparatus whose chief maint reqs
will be changing brushes?

Not to mention..... well, anyway good day

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