Arc in H2O
Gregory S. Feltenberger
Is it possible to generate an arc of electricity in water?
Please explain in detail the yes or no.
Thank you in advance.
J. Hasslberger
In article <351d2...@news.greennet.net>, "Gregory S. Feltenberger"
<gre...@erie.net> wrote:
It is possible.
Infinite Energy Magazine had an article about someone using carbon
electrodes and an underwater arc to form a gas containing hydrogen and
carbon from the electrode, which would burn nicely.
- Josef
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In article <351d2...@news.greennet.net>,
"Gregory S. Feltenberger" <gre...@erie.net> wrote:
>
> Is it possible to generate an arc of electricity in water?
> Please explain in detail the yes or no.
> Thank you in advance.
Yes it is. I and a few others setup such an experiment recently. We
constructed a steel box with a perspex front and inside built a lead screw
carriage to carry the carbon rods. The lead screw was turned by a stepper
motor that was coupled to the carriage by magnets, so we didn't have to
provide a seal which water could leak out of.
The carbon rods were connected to a constant current source that could provide
100amps. the steel container was air-tight, with a pressure gauge, pressure
switch and a tap that could feed the gas to a water displacement column for
measurement.
The hypothesis was that in the plasma, carbon atoms rob oxygen atoms from the
h2O leaving 2H2 + CO.
We definitely got gas, but the amounts were pathetic, and looking back at the
procedure it is not surprising. Water arc is very similar to a commercial
method for producing hydrogen. Water is passed over white-hot coals releasing
the hydrogen.
Of course in our experiment the active carbon region is only a few millimetres
in area so the reaction is very small.
I have read of people claiming great efficiencies with this method, I must
conclude that their experimental procedures were flawed.
In even the best attempt the conversion ratio was minimal. Straight
electrolysis is far superior.
The key as I say is to maximise the active carbon area, this is not possible
with an arc point.
Dave Everett
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Don Stauffer
Gregory S. Feltenberger wrote:
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> Is it possible to generate an arc of electricity in water?
>
> Please explain in detail the yes or no.
>
> Thank you in advance.
Yes, it is done all the time in the medical community. I have twice had
kidney stone blasting, with a procedure they call lithotrypsy.
They have a couple of electrodes with a slight gap at the focus of an
elliptical "mirror." The stone under treatment is at the other focus of
the ellipse. The whole thing is a tank of water, in which you are
immersed. A large capacitor bank is charged. A high voltage pulse is
started through the water (the process is very similar to a flash lamp
except that water replaces the gas in the flashlamp). A spark is formed
which greatly lowers the impedence between the electrodes due to the
ions generated in the original spark. The capacitor bank then
discharges across the gap. It is a very rapid process and forms a steam
bubble, the wavefront of which creates an ultrasonic boom which is
focused on the stone. Since the body has sonic propogation properties
very similar to water, the energy gets dumped into the stone, smashing
it.
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David Hatunen
In article <351d2...@news.greennet.net>,
Gregory S. Feltenberger <gre...@erie.net> wrote:
>Is it possible to generate an arc of electricity in water?
Yes. This is how underwater arc welding is done. See
http://www.ewi.org/resources/mst/m0653f.htm
In fact, do an altavista search on 'underwater arc welding'. It's
somethingof a commonplace.
>Please explain in detail the yes or no.
No details to explain. Giant hot electrical current turns water to
steam, arc is in constantly created steam bubble.
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John M Feiereisen
In article <352534...@htc.honeywell.com>,
Don Stauffer <stau...@htc.honeywell.com> wrote:
>Gregory S. Feltenberger wrote:
>>
>> Is it possible to generate an arc of electricity in water?
>Yes, it is done all the time in the medical community. I have twice had
>kidney stone blasting, with a procedure they call lithotrypsy.
<Arc flash water to steam. Kidney stone go boom.>
Say, this sounds like those Graneau 'water explosion' experiments
that Michael has such a woody for. Do you suppose the your doctors
could stop wasting their time blasting rocks in your kidneys and
do something useful, like publishing their findings in "Infinite
Energy" magazine??? ;-)
H2OPWRD
>Is it possible to generate an arc of electricity in water?
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Reprinted in:
Infinite Energy Magazine
Volume 3, Issue #13 & #14 March-June 1997
Cold Fog Explosions...
"Extracting Intermolecular Bond Energy From Water"
Peter Graneau, Ph.D.
Center for Electromagnetics Research, Northeastern Univ., Boston Mass. 02115
USA
From the PROCEEDINGS OF THE FOURTH INTERNATIONAL SYMPOSIUM ON NEW ENERGY, May
1997
Absract
When a small amount of energy from a high voltage capacitor is discharged
through a few cubic centimeters of water, a strong explosion results which
cannot be explained with thermodynamic nor electrodynamic forces. The 90 year
history of unusual water arc explosions and their technological applications is
reviewed. Three years ago it was discovered that what explodes is not the
liquid water plasma but a quantity of dense cold fog generated in the plasma.
The paper examines the science of this phenomenon.
It is concluded that tiny fog droplets contain less intermolecular bond energy,
per unit mass, than bulk water. The energy difference is liberated quantum
mechanically when the fog is created and sets up strong repulsion forces
between the fog droplets. The extracted bond energy, which appears as kenetic
energy of the fog, was deposited in the water during condensation in the
clouds. It is argued that the heat of condensation is transformed to bond
energy so that the explosions are actually fueled by concentrated solar energy
which heated the vapor in the atmosphere. The extraction of internal water
energy does not contribute to environmental pollution nor to global warming.
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JW