I guess the hijackers flew the planes by radio control....
No, the government did.
But when you can provide substantiation for the crap written in that
link, get back to us.
Yup. We agree on one thing.
I was being sarcastic because there is no way the perpetrators of the
9-11 hoax would let humans and their failings blow their plans.
>
> But when you can provide substantiation for the crap written in that
> link, get back to us.
Learn to read.
All the documentation is available through the site.
I never realized all the faith you had in the gunbament to do so
much right in the face of how they obviously do so much wrong.
>> But when you can provide substantiation for the crap written in
>> that link, get back to us.
>
> Learn to read.
> All the documentation is available through the site.
No it isn't. There's no specific quote to the claims made about how
the official reports say what it claims they say, and the sources
are not named.
Learn to read.
> >> But when you can provide substantiation for the crap written in
> >> that link, get back to us.
>
> > Learn to read.
> > All the documentation is available through the site.
>
> No it isn't. There's no specific quote to the claims made about how
> the official reports say what it claims they say, and the sources
> are not named.
>
Nice DoubleSpeak.
> Learn to read.
Go back and read.
Do not pass go, do not collect $200.
9/11: PENTAGON AIRCRAFT HIJACK IMPOSSIBLE
FLIGHT DECK DOOR CLOSED FOR ENTIRE FLIGHT
(PilotsFor911Truth.org) - Newly decoded data provided by an
independent researcher and computer programmer from Australia exposes
alarming evidence that the reported hijacking aboard American Airlines
Flight 77 was impossible to have existed. A data parameter labeled
"FLT DECK DOOR", cross checks with previously decoded data obtained by
Pilots For 9/11 Truth from the National Transportation Safety Board
(NTSB) through the Freedom Of Information Act.
Get it and check it yourself.
In addition, the flight recorder and its data would not have been available
to anyone to decode outside of the Government offices responsible for the
investigation.
In other words, another moron, in the case you cite, an Australian one, has
concocted another impossible story to substantiate the moronic fantasies of
boobs like you.
<knews4...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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They are a part of it, though. Do you really think they're that
good?
>>>> But when you can provide substantiation for the crap written
>>>> in that link, get back to us.
>>
>>> Learn to read.
>>> All the documentation is available through the site.
>>
>> No it isn't. There's no specific quote to the claims made about
>> how the official reports say what it claims they say, and the
>> sources are not named.
>>
>
> Nice DoubleSpeak.
I'm sure that you see most challenges to your claims that way.
>> Learn to read.
>
> Go back and read.
> Do not pass go, do not collect $200.
>
> 9/11: PENTAGON AIRCRAFT HIJACK IMPOSSIBLE
> FLIGHT DECK DOOR CLOSED FOR ENTIRE FLIGHT
>
> (PilotsFor911Truth.org) - Newly decoded data provided by an
> independent researcher
Name?
> and computer programmer from Australia
Name?
> exposes alarming evidence
Let's see it.
> that the reported hijacking aboard
> American Airlines Flight 77 was impossible to have existed. A
> data parameter labeled "FLT DECK DOOR", cross checks with
> previously decoded data obtained by Pilots For 9/11 Truth from
> the National Transportation Safety Board (NTSB) through the
> Freedom Of Information Act.
Let's see the data and the cross check.
> Get it and check it yourself.
I looked, and it's impossible to find. Even your truth doctors have
acknowledged that they did not, and will not, reveal the names of
those sources.
See? I read, and it turns out that even after you posted your
'evidence', my claim still stands that you've got no backup AT ALL
for any of it.
Looks like you've proven once again that you can't read.
As for this silly claim, the FDR shows that the door had never been
opened in the 40 hours of flight data stored in it. This would
indicate that the most likely explanation was that the door sensor was
not in use on that version of aircraft.
This is written by someone that works on large-jet electronics. His
claim can be discusseed via the lonk, below.
"... the FAA mandates 70 [FDR data values] , I believe. Its up to
the airlines if they want to record other params. The vast majority
are just open, not wired to the systems that they are supposed to
record. This one just happens to support Balsawood Bobs newest
snakeoil scheme. "
http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?postid=5354984#post5354984
--
Al Dykes
News is something someone wants to suppress, everything else is advertising.
- Lord Northcliffe, publisher of the Daily Mail
As for this silly claim, the FDR shows that the door had never been
As for this silly claim, the FDR shows that the door had never been
> In other words, another moron, in the case you cite, an Australian one, has
> concocted another impossible story to substantiate the moronic fantasies of
> boobs like you.
http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/index.php?showtopic=18405
>
> <knews4u2c...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/index.php?showtopic=18405
<knews4...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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The aviation part of this wacky "9/11 Truth" soup sandwich is a coterie
of idiotic moonbats who call themselves "Pilots for 9/11 Truth". Led by
the head moonbat, a supposed former airline pilot named Rob Balsamo,
this group of beyond-the-fringe whack-jobs claim the US government was
behind the 9/11 aircraft attacks on the WTC and that the attacks on the
Pentagon and the crash of United 93 in Shanksville never happened as
advertised. In other words, they claim that explosives and/or fake
aircraft or remote controlled aircraft were used or, in the case of the
Pentagon, a "flyover" occurred vice actual aircraft impacts - you get
the idea. Come up with the wackiest, most outlandish, most incredible
scenario and it has been put forth and embraced by many of these fools.
They also claim moon-bases-on-the-dark-side-of-the-moon believers among
their ranks. Great start, guys, when looking for credibility.
I know many of you here and over on the Instapinch have counseled me
before - don't give them the publicity they are looking for; you are
only encouraging them. I understand all that, but to be honest, when
they go to the lengths they go to (albeit in their extremely small
world) to malign and indict the military and civilians who were involved
that day as co-conspirators in this most horrid of events, it does get
my teeth grinding. Those aviators who did get airborne and those
controllers who tried to make sense of that most challenging day in
their lives, both professionally as well as personally, need to be
examined in their true light - these men and women did one helluva job
and they very well should be praised, not pilloried or accused of being
conspirators in mass murder.
I don't want anyone thinking this is just some huge digital pissing
contest I have with some crazies on the net. I just have some real
problems with these people when I am accused, by association, of being
part of some grand conspiracy to kill thousands of Americans and others
on 9/11.
So, derision and embarrassment in the school of public humiliation of
the best I can do. This won't be an ongoing thing here at Blackfive.
I'll save the rest of my plinking of these barreled fish over at the
Instapinch's Moonbat category..
The basic thesis of these fools is that the official story of 9/11 is
not what actually happened, hence the abused word "Truth" in their name.
What they are slow to admit, though, is what they actually DO believe -
and that is the US government and military and civilian command
structure and the media are all in cahoots and complicit in the planning
and execution of the terrorist attacks of 9/11. Again, many won't come
right out and state this, but it is indeed what they are about.
What is their "proof"? What is their "evidence"? Convoluted and twisted
circumlocution of cherry-picked witness statements that are then further
gnarled and gerrymandered into a misshapen pretzel of lexicology that in
no way, shape or form comes even remotely close to resembling the
original intent. Out and out lying, as well, is in their kit bag.
They'll throw together some slick, polished verbiage of aeronautical
acronyms and many of those uneducated in the facts of aviation will fall
for it.
Who are they? Their members are a veritable cornucopia of 9/11 moronic
moonbattery - a "Who's Who in the Moonbat Zoo". This link talks about
some of them. What scares me is that I might have flown in a civilian
airliner they might have been at the controls of.
Tinfoil hat idiot. How jacked up on idiot juice are these people? One
CLASSIC example of the quality of mind that makes up their members is
one John Lear, son of the famous Lear jet designer. I would link to him,
but there is so much of his absolute nonsense out there, you can find it
yourself. A typical exchange about him might go something like this:
Pilot for Truth Moron: And John Lear is part of our team!
Innocent Newbie: Wow, THE John Lear? He must know airplanes!
PfTM: He sure does! Son of THE Lear jet designer! Over 19,000 pilot
hours! Flown over 100 different types of airplanes! Has had every
certificate ever known to man (or the FAA) regarding aircraft!
IN: Wow! You guys sure have some high-caliber people on your team!
PfTM: We sure do!
IN: Well, if John Lear is part of your team, you guys MUST be right!
PfTM: We sure are!
IN: So, if John Lear says no airplanes hit the World Trade Center and
that it was missiles and pre-set explosives that cause the damage and
that holograms were used to fool the thousands of people that saw the
airplanes impact and that airliners can't fly at 500 or even 400 knots
and even an hyper-experienced pilot like himself could NEVER hit the WTC
towers and that that there are mining structures on the dark side of the
moon that are extracting helium from the inner core and that special
moon rockets that take only an hour to travel the 250,000 miles to the
moon have been launching from Antarctica for decades and that aliens
told us not to return to the moon and the United States government has
been in business with little gray extraterrestrials for about 20 years,
I guess he IS a smart guy!
PfTM: Ummm...yeah!
You oughta hear what Lear's explanation is regarding why the Apollo
program stopped at "17" when it did:
Right! We were told to stay away - we were given that edict by the
aliens - they said, "You will NOT come back here - and ... i'm not sure
exactly which particular Apollo series it was and we said, "Look! We've
got all these Saturn 5's - it will be hard to keep that from the
public," and they said "Okay! - one or two more and 'that's it!" Apollo
17 was the lsat (sic)one and the NASA excuse was , "We don't have any
more funding and we can't do it and they have - still had 3 remaining
Saturn 5's fueled and ready to go and they were 18, 19, and 20.
Yeah! *This* is the quality of mind that makes up the PfT herd.
What DO they believe? Well, depending on what part of the "Truth"
movement you talk to: cruise missiles were used instead of airplanes;
the airplanes were indeed airplanes but were remote-controlled; the
airplanes fired a missile into the buildings a nanosecond before impact;
the airplanes had special pods attached to their undercarriage; the
airplanes had "forward spraying fuel sprayers" installed to help enhance
the explosion of jet fuel; there were NO AIRPLANES AT ALL; it was a
Global Hawk; it was an F-16; it was an A-3 Skywarrior; it was a
painted-up KC-135 Tanker aircraft; it was a UAV; it was an Israeli UAV;
it was done with holograms; there were missiles fired from the Woolworth
Building in NYC; pre-set charges blew the holes in the WTC to LOOK like
an airplane hit; the media (ALL the media) is in on the charade; the
aircraft/missiles/whatever were invisible; the videos are all fake; the
passengers never existed; the passengers existed but were loaded up onto
another aircraft which was flown out over the Atlantic and was shot
down; the passengers are living in exile somewhere; the steel melted;
the steel didn't melt; the steel didn't melt or buckle, it was cut by
thermite; it wasn't thermite, it was thermate; it was a bomb in a truck
carried up in an elevator; controlled demolition is what brought the
buildings down; a small nuclear bomb is what brought the towers down;
lasers are what brought the towers down; a particle beam from low earth
orbit is what brought the towers down; the plane flew OVER the Pentagon
instead of hitting it; the plane used vectored thrust to avoid hitting
the Pentagon; the plane avoided the Pentagon and flew over the south
parking; subterranean howitzers popped up and fired at the Pentagon.
Like I said earlier, come up with the most outlandish, wackiest idea and
it's been thought of.
Their forums are all alike - Loose Change, Pentacon, Pilots for 9/11
Truth, Architects for 9/11 Truth, Clear_prop Veterinarians for 9/11
Truth, Proctologists for 9/11 Truth, Limo Drivers for 9/11 Truth, Truck
Drivers for 9/11 Truth, whatever. They'll ban anyone in a heartbeat if
you make any sort of counter-factual argument and their reason will be
"Debate in the discussion forum!" or "Discussion in the debate forum!"
or "Saying stuff we don't like!". Debate is impossible with them. Facts
to them are "government lies" and even personal experience is nothing
more than "lies" coming from a "government shill". Anything - ANYTHING
that does not conform to their warped view of things is a lie and if you
do not conform to their warped view of things, you are a liar.
For all their Internet blustering, though, these clowns will never, ever
take any of their claims to court because primarily they lack the power
of their convictions to really think they could get anywhere with their
claims. Plus, their data and claims would never, ever survive
professional scrutiny. I've lost count of the number of breathless -
BREATHLESS claims of "I have so much evidence I could take them to court
right now!" or "This will blow the case wide open!" on certain elements
of the 9/11 attacks, but when query "Why aren't you?" you get the
standard responses - either a spewing of an indignant "Who do you think
you are?" or an immediate entry into the classic excuse matrix - "My dog
died" or "My cat coughed up a hairball" or "I can't take the time" or "I
have a day job" or "Nobody cares" or "I need to get a haircut". They'll
tell you they hold the key - the very answer - to the most heinous crime
in recorded history yet won't do anything about it but sit on a web page
and hurl baseless accusations at the military or civilians involved in
this.
When you try to point out that, if they are as right they claim to be,
this is the worst mass-murder at a single time in the history of the
world and how can they POSSIBLY remain quiet, they remain unswayed.
Bottom line of what they are doing? Its no more than a scam to sell cute
little woman's cap sleeve baby-doll tee-shirts for that special little
co-pilot in your life or to grab yourself a sporty ball cap, complete
with the breathtaking "Pilots for 9/11 Truth!" logo handsomely
emblazoned on it. Actually doing something would put what little bit of
a cash-cow to bed. As Balsamo points out in a recent post of his
lecturing someone who has a pilot buddy who wants to remain anonymous:
"Tell him to step up, or step off. His words mean nothing to anyone
if he isnt willing to step up to the plate. Whats worse, is his words
mean nothing to himself".
Advice that Balsamo himself doesn't seem to heed - preferring to hide
behind a web page, scramming money from people for the aforementioned
tee shirts and ball caps and shoddy DVDs produced in a basement garage
somewhere. Instead of heading to the moonbat-friendly 9th District Court
in San Fran to obtain an indictment for mass murder of every breathing
human being in or vaguely associated with the US government, he is
content to sit on his ass and rake in money. He is a charlatan, and his
"group of pilots" are boneheaded morons.
I've been accused by these fools of being a "fraud" or a "teenager in my
parent's basement", which would no doubt come as a big surprise to my
parents. All that is fine, as far as I'm concerned. I have absolutely
no desire to earn neither their respect nor establish any level of
credibility with them.
Like I said - cockroaches, with Balsamo being the biggest.
In the big scheme of things, I'm really not worried about these idiots.
Their world consists of a small, inner-breeding group of weak-minded
morons who lack the ability to understand complex events in life, so
they seek out an easier answer - one that won't tax their brains, and if
they can toss in their favorite boogey-man (in this case the entire Bush
administration), so much the better.
I know I've thrown around a fair number of pretty disparaging epithets
in this post - morons, idiots, fools, whack-jobs - and that will turn
many of you off. I'm sorry if that offends anyone, but there's something
about a shoe and if it fits. Plus, they want exposure! So the more
exposure I can give them, the more people will realize what absolute
dolts these people are.
I've spent most of my life either in the company of or working with the
military and civilian men and women of this nation who dedicate their
lives to her people and our freedom. I have absolutely zero tolerance
for those fools like Rob Balsamo and his "gaggle of wankers" (as one
Brit poster aptly named them) who exist merely to cast obscene
accusations of despicable intentions. Balsamo, you are one SOB.
Posted by Pinch - Blackfive.net
No evidence there. Just wild claims about how someone said that
they knew of something that someone said about something.
>
>> In other words, another moron, in the case you cite, an
>> Australian one, has concocted another impossible story to
>> substantiate the moronic fantasies of boobs like you.
>
> http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/index.php?showtopic=18405
Nothing there, either.
Nope, not there either.