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jaugu...@verizon.net

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Jun 17, 2011, 12:52:40 PM6/17/11
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Hi,

Blocking 425-336-8351 Robot Caller Parasite:

Verizon told me they can't block calls that are not local. I have filed
a complaint with my state attorney, and will with the U.S. attorney.

This "parasite" is a "robot" telemarket (Visa & Mastercard) caller, calls
four or more times a day, every day except weekends. It started June 6.
I tried everything to get the "parasite" to stop calling.

A Google search, "425-336-8351" produced well over 500 hits. All the
"hits" I viewed has the exact same PROBLEM as I have. I read one
article where someone is offering a reward for the location of the person
or organization so he can "beat the sh.. out of this person".

Does anyone know of a Caller ID device with a special feature to "block",
disconnect, or automatically hang-up on a specified telephone number?

Thanks in advance, John

ne...@jecarter.us

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Jun 17, 2011, 1:22:50 PM6/17/11
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The Philips SJA9191 talking caller ID box has the option of setting an
specific outgoing messages for two different calling numbers.

You would hear the first (and possibly second) ring as the caller ID
is usually sent between the first and second rings.

However, the call would be answered immediately with no action from
you.

The Philips device is less than $20US here:
http://www.warepark.com/ProductInfo.aspx?id=5600528

The only better solution would be to find an older Phone Genie
(something like that) that answered the phone, detected caller ID,
determined voice versus fax calls, etc. It probably could have
intercepted the call before your phone was allowed to ring. I think
the device was in the $100 - $150 range and may have interfaced with a
PC.

John

William Sommerwerck

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Jun 17, 2011, 1:46:21 PM6/17/11
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Isn't there enough information on the display to help you decide whether or
not to answer? That doesn't eliminate the wasted time, of course.

One approach might be to accept the call, wait to be patched through to one
of the reps, and then say something extremely obscene to her. (Most are
women.) After a few times, they might "get the message".


Rich Webb

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Jun 17, 2011, 3:06:37 PM6/17/11
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Not very civil. The poor schmuck on the other end of the phone very
likely feels just the same way about getting such calls and they're
probably not in it for the fabulous salary or the great career path.
More likely because it was the only job they could find.

Also, not very wise. Those calls are routinely recorded and being the
callee and not the caller may not completely shield from the various
obscenity or assault statutes that might apply.

--
Rich Webb Norfolk, VA

Sofa Slug

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Jun 17, 2011, 3:38:35 PM6/17/11
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On 6/17/2011 9:52 AM, jaugu...@verizon.net wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Blocking 425-336-8351 Robot Caller Parasite:
>
> Verizon told me they can't block calls that are not local. I have filed
> a complaint with my state attorney, and will with the U.S. attorney.
>
> This "parasite" is a "robot" telemarket (Visa& Mastercard) caller, calls

> four or more times a day, every day except weekends. It started June 6.
> I tried everything to get the "parasite" to stop calling.
>
> A Google search, "425-336-8351" produced well over 500 hits. All the
> "hits" I viewed has the exact same PROBLEM as I have. I read one
> article where someone is offering a reward for the location of the person
> or organization so he can "beat the sh.. out of this person".
>
> Does anyone know of a Caller ID device with a special feature to "block",
> disconnect, or automatically hang-up on a specified telephone number?
>
> Thanks in advance, John
>


http://www.digitone.com/Digitone%20Call%20Blocker.htm

Jeffrey Angus

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Jun 17, 2011, 3:46:37 PM6/17/11
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Ya know, there's also the clowns from Survey RC that call here
repeatedly, "This is Victoria, stand by for an important message."
And then I get the cruise ship horn "This is your Captain speaking."

I wish there was some way to hunt these ass holes down and remove
them from anything remotely connected to the phone system.

Jeff


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"Everything from Crackers to Coffins"

Meat Plow

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Jun 17, 2011, 6:03:15 PM6/17/11
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When I had a land line I could block any number by putting them on a
preview call list where it would call and say so and so was calling.
Then I assigned the preview number to a 555-555-5555 number so it never
rang my phone. This was provided by AT&T.

--
Live Fast Die Young, Leave A Pretty Corpse

Arfa Daily

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Jun 17, 2011, 9:11:46 PM6/17/11
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"William Sommerwerck" <grizzle...@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:itg3u5$rf7$1...@dont-email.me...

Whenever I get these calls in the UK - you can spot the 'class' of numbers
on the caller ID - I always pick up the phone to make sure that the company
gets billed a connection charge, and then just put the phone straight back
down. Doesn't stop the calls coming in, but makes me feel better that I've
cost them some money.

Another approach for a persistent number that you recognise, might be to
answer the phone something like "Drug enforcement agency covert team support
line ! Please state your badge number and code name !" If you then get a
person on the other end without them hanging up, read them the riot act
about it being an unlisted government number that they've called, and insist
that they inform their supervisor, and get it removed from the call list !
:-)

Arfa

Alias

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Jun 17, 2011, 10:19:38 PM6/17/11
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On Fri, 17 Jun 2011 22:03:15 +0000 (UTC), Meat Plow wrote
(<news:pan.2011.06...@emutt.macspoofer.lmao>):

Wow, so broke you can't even afford a land line?

eMutt's got nothing on you, hey.


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WHO IS MEATPLOW from Alt.Usenet.Kooks (AUK)?

The obese, abusive, ugly, snaggle-toothed, gay 'bear' biker retard
who likes to surf gay porn sites as 'BlancoBear' while wearing only
assless chaps:

William Malone Griffith, Jr. (aka Milt, aka MeatPlow, aka BlancoBear)
308 10th Street NE
North Canton, OH 44720-2023

Evidence:
--------------------
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.usenet.kooks/msg/5650f8e1e7dedefa
Message-ID: <fc5167ee7ad8e6f6...@rip.ax.lt>

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.electronics.repair/msg/e52ffbb346f5b764
Message-ID: <ac995ab01f76a177...@rip.ax.lt>

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.usenet.kooks/msg/a94a2a11df601e39
Message-ID: <f6ccd46e74bff6e9...@rip.ax.lt>
--------------------

MeatPlow personal info:
--------------------
Birthdate: Oct 3, 1955

Amateur Radio callsign N8NCX
Technician Plus
(2 meter, 6 meter)
--------------------

Photo of MeatPlow in Belden Village Music store:
--------------------
(Note the guitars in the background, the planet-sized head,
the rotten-Chiclet-teeth, and general look of retardation)
http://www.productwiki.com/william-malone-griffith-ii/lists/
http://images.productwiki.com/upload/images/william_malone_griffith_ii_avatar_1_0-150-150.jpg

He's got his father's nose and eyes:
http://www.legacy.com/guestbook/kentucky/guestbook.aspx?pid=2527782
http://mi-cache.legacy.com/usercontent/guestbook/photos/2005-09/6966764.jpg
--------------------

MeatPlow email addresses:
--------------------
wgriffit at neo.rr.com (neo = North East Ohio)
mhywattt at yahoo.com
mhywatt at yahoo.com
--------------------

MeatPlow admits to being from Ohio:
--------------------
Message-ID: <pan.2011.05...@emutt.macspoofer.lmao>
Message-ID: <pan.2011.05...@emutt.macspoofer.lmao>
--------------------

MeatPlow's brushes with the law:
--------------------
http://www.starkcountycjis.org/crim/crim_display_docket_main?pass_case_no=11543&pass_case_type=VBD&pass_case_year=2002&pass_first_name=William&pass_last_name=Griffith
http://www.starkcountycjis.org/civil/civil_display_docket_main?case_year_no=2009-3533&litigant_txt=Griffith
--------------------

MeatPlow quotes:
--------------------
Message-ID: <pan.2011.05...@emutt.macspoofer.lmao>
"I have no shame here in Usenet."

Message-ID: <pan.2011.05...@emutt.macspoofer.lmao>
"I'd bet $200.00 of that Keiser money you still have that you will
leave before me."

Message-ID: <pan.2011.05...@emutt.macspoofer.lmao>
"You know i have a legal team who specializes in internet law. And I
won't hesitate to get them in on the action."

Message-ID: <pan.2011.05...@emutt.macspoofer.lmao>
"I haven't changed nor do I plan on it any time in the near future.
And yes I am bullet-proof as I have proved it."

MeatPlow visits a massage parlor for a Happy Ending massage.
But they refused to give him a Happy Ending his second time there.
That explains why he's gay, he can't even PAY for HAND JOBS from
women.
http://www.clreviews.com/forums/showpost.php?p=11679
"One time I got a HE, and the 2nd time I didn't. I was asked if I was
there both times and said I was. That's is why I didn't know if I said
something wrong the 2nd time which made me not get a HE."

Well, at least we know what he does with his weekends.
--------------------

Oh, William, what would yer family say if they learned yer secrets?

Mother:
..-----------------------------.
| Catherine & Angelo Griffith |
| |
| 4760 Echovalley St. NW |
| North Canton, OH 44720-7504 |
| 330-494-5785 |
'-----------------------------'

Sister:
..------------------------------.
| Pamela L. & Roger R. Werling |
| { son Todd } |
| { son Chris (Atlanta, GA) } |
| { son Keith } |
| { son Easton } |
| { son Zakary } |
| { daughter Camella } |
| |
| 7704 Bisque Court |
| Fort Wayne, IN 46825-3501 |
| 260-489-6086 |
'------------------------------'

Sister:
..-----------------------------------------------.
| Cheryl J. & Jason 'Sparky' Humberto E. Rivera |
| { daughter Christina } |
| { daughter Rosalio (North Canton, OH) } |
| { daughter Maria (North Canton, OH) } |
| { son Len Gray (Ft. Worth, TX) } |
| |
| 5225 Echo Valley St. NW |
| North Canton, OH 44720-9702 |
|-----------------------------------------------|
| Belden Village Music |
| 6787 Wales Ave NW |
| North Canton, OH 44720 |
| beldenvillagemusic.com |
| 330-497-9292 |
|-----------------------------------------------|
| Rosalio B & Maria I Rivera |
| 444 Wales Rd. NE |
| Massillon, OH 44646-5875 |
| 330-833-4291 |
|-----------------------------------------------|
| PO Box 35093 |
| Canton, OH 44735 |
'-----------------------------------------------'

Sister:
..----------------------------------------.
| Carol L. & Ric A. Campbell |
| { son Richard } |
| { son Christopher (North Canton, OH) } |
| { son Brandon († 30 May 1996) } |
| { daughter Erin } |
| |
| 6794 William Tell Ave NW |
| North Canton, OH 44720-6546 |
| 330-497-7980 |
| 330-499-5107 |
|----------------------------------------|
| PO Box 36473 |
| Canton, OH 44735 |
'----------------------------------------'

Sister:
..-----------------------------------.
| Christine H. & Shelton M. Vick |
| { son Matthew } |
| |
| 3915 Harvard Ave NW |
| Canton, OH 44709-1538 |
| 330-493-5645 |
|-----------------------------------|
| Re/Max Edge Realty |
| North Canton / Massillon / Canton |
| Realtor Christine H. Vick |
| |
| 6929 Portage St. NW |
| North Canton, OH 44720-6535 |
| 330-236-5100 |
| 888-830-6509 (fax) |
| 330-904-0883 (cell) |
| www.MyOhioHomeFinder.com |
| MyOhioHo...@gmail.com |
'-----------------------------------'

Sister:
..-----------------------------.
| Angela C. & Mark Warshefski |
| |
| 11 SE 12th St. |
| Pompano Beach, FL 33060 |
| 954-785-4716 |
|-----------------------------|
| 4760 Echovalley St. NW |
| North Canton, OH 44720-7504 |
| 330-942-0584 |
'-----------------------------'

Cousin:
..---------------------.
| Eddy Dailey |
| |
| Bergholz Super Mart |
| 861 Washington St. |
| Bergholz, OH 43908 |
| 740-768-1018 |
'---------------------'

Cousin:
..---------------------.
| Donna L. Dailey |
| |
| 524 5th St |
| Bergholz, OH 43908 |
| 740-768-2416 |
|---------------------|
| Bergholz Super Mart |
| 861 Washington St. |
| Bergholz, OH 43908 |
| 740-768-1018 |
|---------------------|
| Bergholz, OH EMT |
'---------------------'

Cousin:
..--------------------.
| Bill & Joyce Leas |
| { son Billy } |
| |
| 243 2nd St |
| Bergholz, OH 43908 |
'--------------------'

Niece:
..----------------------------.
| Rachel & Adam T. Livengood |
| { son Lukas } |
| { daughter Lauren } |
| |
| 6342 Palmer Dr. NW |
| Canton, OH 44718 |
| 330-497-7754 |
'----------------------------'

Izzatchoo, or yer dead daddy?
..---------------------------------.
| William M. Griffith |
| |
| between 3rd and 4th St |
| between Monroe and Lincoln Ave. |
| Bergholz, OH 43908 |
| 740-768-2539 |
'---------------------------------'

What would yer landlord for 308 10th St. NE,
North Canton, OH say if they learned yer secrets?
..-----------------------------.
| David S. and Joan R. Shaner |
| |
| 2095 Waterbury Dr. |
| Uniontown OH 44312 |
| 330-699-4042 |
'-----------------------------'

What would the employees at yer family's
business say if they learned yer secrets?
..--------------------------------.
| Ohio Kentucky Oil Corporation |
| aka Ohio Oil & Gas Exploration |
| |
| 5112 Portage St. NW |
| Canton, OH 44720-6856 |
| (330) 494-8810 |
| (330) 497-7980 |
|--------------------------------|
| 110 E. Lowry Lane |
| Lexington, KY 40503 |
| (800) BUY 4 OIL |
| (800) 289-4645 |
| (859) 223-5656 |
| (859) 223-5946 |
| (859) 276-0699 (fax) |
| (859) 276-3500 |
| (859) 276-4080 |
|--------------------------------|
| http://www.ohiokentuckyoil.com |
| oils...@insightbb.com |
| ad...@ohiokentuckyoil.net |
'--------------------------------'


William Malone Griffith, II's grovelfest of an apology for being a
fucktard stauker:
==================================================
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.usenet.kooks/browse_thread/thread/8d753c94bd612f4e
http://www.freak-search.com/en/thread/3859383/meat_plow_exposed
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.usenet.kooks/msg/c9fccf0d1ab26ace
Message-ID: <3n4c2e....@news.alt.net>

Title: Apology to Charles Novins

The witnesses to this abject, groveling apology:

Angela Griffith = Angela C. Griffith-Warshefski, William Malone
Griffith, Jr.'s sister

Catherine Griffith = William Malone Griffith, Jr.'s mother

Julia M. Griffith = ?

Cheri Griffith = Cheryl J. Griffith-Rivera, William Malone Griffith,
Jr.'s sister

Justin Griffith = ?

Kristy Griffith = Christine H. Griffith-Vick, William Malone Griffith,
Jr.'s sister

-----

Questions yet to be answered:
Who are Julia M. Griffith and Justin Griffith?

Angela C. Griffith-Warshefski came all the way from Pompano Beach,
Florida to witness and sign MeatPlow's apology letter?

Or did William Malone Griffith, Jr. forge the witness signatures,
which would indicate some level of insincerity in the apology?

If William Malone Griffith, Jr. did indeed forge the witness
signatures, is his family cognizant of him using them in this way?
==================================================

The exit is -.
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thataway

Adrian C

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Jun 18, 2011, 7:22:08 AM6/18/11
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On 17/06/2011 17:52, jaugu...@verizon.net wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Blocking 425-336-8351 Robot Caller Parasite:
>
> This "parasite" is a "robot" telemarket (Visa& Mastercard) caller, calls

> four or more times a day, every day except weekends. It started June 6.
> I tried everything to get the "parasite" to stop calling.

Panasonic have a range of digital cordless phones that feature incoming
call barring for upto 30 numbers that can stored in a list. The phone
does not ring if the junk caller ID matches.

Either of these model numbers have it, and probably others.

KX-TG6511
KX-TG6512
KX-TG6513

KX-TG6521
KX-TG6512
KX-TG6513
KX-TG6514

They are sold worldwide. Quite impressed with the 4 station set we have.

--
Adrian C

jaugu...@verizon.net

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Jun 18, 2011, 8:56:45 AM6/18/11
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Hi Adrian,

Thank you and everyone for your responses.

I will keep the information regarding the Panasonic cordless phones and
the other device from another reply.

On Friday, I received only one call from the "parasite". I'll wait and
see what happens first. Maybe it will stop?

John

(PeteCresswell)

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Jun 18, 2011, 12:40:44 PM6/18/11
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Per Adrian C:

>Panasonic have a range of digital cordless phones that feature incoming
>call barring for upto 30 numbers that can stored in a list. The phone
>does not ring if the junk caller ID matches.

The growing problem that I see is telemarketers going offshore -
where they are immune to prosecution - and using VOIP services to
spoof caller ID.

In that context, the same telemarketer can call my cell phone
three times a day with the same message - but display a different
callerID each time.


Unencumbered by any real knowledge of telephony, I see the
eventual solution as a service offered by the land line or cell
phone provider:

- A caller rings my number

- My phone does *not* ring at that point.

- Caller gets a voice prompt "Dial 1 for Mary, dial 2 for Joe,
dial 3 for Sam...... dial 9 for Pete".

- "Pete" is the only one that exists. If somebody dials
anything else, something else happens but my phone does
not even ring.

- If they dial "9", my phone rings.

- If I do not choose to answer, the call goes to voicemail
just like it does now.

- Regular callers, once they know, can press "9" as soon as the
call completes - even before the voice prompt begins.


Seems to me like that would get rid of most junk calls without
unduly penalizing legitimate callers.

If that's true, and great minds with the same data reach similar
conclusions, I would hope to see such services offered within the
next few years.
--
PeteCresswell

Jeff Liebermann

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Jun 18, 2011, 4:02:06 PM6/18/11
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On Sat, 18 Jun 2011 12:40:44 -0400, "(PeteCresswell)" <x...@y.Invalid>
wrote:

>- Caller gets a voice prompt "Dial 1 for Mary, dial 2 for Joe,
> dial 3 for Sam...... dial 9 for Pete".

Such a device exists. However, it says something like "punch 1 for
voice, 2 for fax, 3 for modem, and 4 for answering machine". I have a
really ancient one from AES that does this, but it's pre-programmed,
and the messages cannot be modified.

Also, "Telebouncer".
<http://cgi.ebay.com/250702052073>
and others:
<http://www.jfteck.com>
<http://cgi.ebay.com/130533727162>

About 10 years ago, I threw together a home IVR system that almost
worked. It would grab and store the caller ID, but not ring the phone
no matter how many times the caller would ring. However, if the same
caller ID called back within about 3 minutes, the phone would ring
normally. I would tell my friends and accomplises to call twice. The
problem was that many callers didn't have caller ID active. I also
missed some important calls.

--
Jeff Liebermann je...@cruzio.com
150 Felker St #D http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Santa Cruz CA 95060 http://802.11junk.com
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558

Jeff Liebermann

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Jun 18, 2011, 4:21:06 PM6/18/11
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On Fri, 17 Jun 2011 12:52:40 -0400, jaugu...@verizon.net wrote:

> Blocking 425-336-8351 Robot Caller Parasite:

File a complaint with the FCC. You should see some results some time
before hell freezes over or when pigs learn to fly:
<https://esupport.fcc.gov/ccmsforms/form1088.action?form_type=1088E>

425-336-8351 is registered in Seattle, WA. However, some digging
found it to be somewhere in New Yuck and possibly used by Merchant Pro
Express, owned by Wells Fargo Bank:
<http://www.merchantproexpress.com>
I'm NOT sure about this info so treat it as guesswork.
<http://800notes.com/Phone.aspx/1-425-336-8351>

This might also help, except that the caller can be almost anywhere.
<http://425_336_8351.phonepuppy.com>

Meat Plow

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Jun 18, 2011, 6:38:23 PM6/18/11
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When I used to play with these guys, well when I had a land line with a
good assortment of tools, calls not on my allow list were forwarded to
the country sheriff's office :) They however after a few months got tired
of these calls and had the source traced back to my number. I got a
notice on official letterhead that I was to cease and desist this
practice immediately or possibly face disruption of public services
charges. Then I got wise to the caller verify function and blocking the
verify from calling me :) I never got a ring from a telemarketer after.

Now my mom has digital phone on cable and she gets several of these calls
every day. She ignores them if she doesn't recognize the caller ID.
Before she switched to digital phone she seldom got telemarketing calls.
I think the cable company got hacked into and phone numbers were stolen
and they never told anyone. My girlfriend also has digital phone from the
same cable provider and she gets telemarketing calls all day long. I
asked her if she was plagued with these calls with a traditional land
line with the same number and she said no. This bolsters my thinking
there was a breech in the cable company's security or maybe they just
flat out sold a list of numbers. Of course they would never admit to
either the numerous times I've talked to them at their main office.

Geoffrey S. Mendelson

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Jun 18, 2011, 6:54:04 PM6/18/11
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Meat Plow wrote:
> Now my mom has digital phone on cable and she gets several of these calls
> every day. She ignores them if she doesn't recognize the caller ID.
> Before she switched to digital phone she seldom got telemarketing calls.
> I think the cable company got hacked into and phone numbers were stolen
> and they never told anyone. My girlfriend also has digital phone from the
> same cable provider and she gets telemarketing calls all day long. I
> asked her if she was plagued with these calls with a traditional land
> line with the same number and she said no. This bolsters my thinking
> there was a breech in the cable company's security or maybe they just
> flat out sold a list of numbers. Of course they would never admit to
> either the numerous times I've talked to them at their main office.

Do they have a unique prefix? Here the landline numbers are 02,03,04,06,08,09,
cell phones 05 and the various secondary landline (e.g. cable, DSL remarketers,
etc are 07).

Cell phones cost a lot to call, landlines less and the secondary provider
landlines are very cheap.

Although you can port a number from one to others, no one seems to notice. :-)

Maybe they have a similar setup and call the cable phone numbers hoping to get
a hit without having a list.

BTW, one way you can get around this is if you live in the US is to use
Google voice. You can program in a list of numbers to forward, numbers to
reject, numbers to go to voice mail and numbers to screen (ask for name).

Another is with a SKYPE incoming number. I cheat and have my incoming
voicemail message the old three tone pattern which tells an autodialer its
a dead number. :-) Once you get a call from a number, you can select block
this number and they get a number not in service error if they call you.

I wish there was a realtime black hole list for asterisk systems (freeware
PBX software) like there is for SPAM email addresses. I.E. your asterisk
system would check a database of SPAM callers and reject the call, with
someone maintining a global list.

Geoff.
--
Geoffrey S. Mendelson N3OWJ/4X1GM
Making your enemy reliant on software you support is the best revenge.

Jeffrey Angus

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Jun 18, 2011, 7:01:45 PM6/18/11
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On 6/18/2011 5:38 PM, Meat Plow wrote:
> This bolsters my thinking
> there was a breech in the cable company's security or maybe they just
> flat out sold a list of numbers. Of course they would never admit to
> either the numerous times I've talked to them at their main office.


I'd be inclined to think they sold the list. Might as well make money
off of it since it's going to get stolen anyway. Or that's our excuse.

(PeteCresswell)

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Jun 18, 2011, 9:00:35 PM6/18/11
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Per (PeteCresswell):

>If that's true, and great minds with the same data reach similar
>conclusions, I would hope to see such services offered within the
>next few years.

With, of course, the additional feature of a gold list: any
number on the gold list rings though immediately....
--
PeteCresswell

Alias

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Jun 19, 2011, 12:06:03 AM6/19/11
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On Sat, 18 Jun 2011 22:38:23 +0000 (UTC), Meat Plow wrote
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> On Sat, 18 Jun 2011 02:11:46 +0100, Arfa Daily wrote:

Maybe they're not all telemarketers. Heh.


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Wild_Bill

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Jun 19, 2011, 9:01:22 AM6/19/11
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I was gonna mench, there was a device marketed in the 80s, I think, that
wouldn't even ring your phone until the caller entered a 3-digit number.. it
might'a been the AES company.

No outgoing message, that I recall, it required all callers to know the
owner, and call from a touchtone phone, IIRC.
Maybe it was before the 80s.. quite a while before caller ID was available.

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Jeff Liebermann

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Jun 19, 2011, 10:25:19 PM6/19/11
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On Sat, 18 Jun 2011 22:54:04 +0000 (UTC), "Geoffrey S. Mendelson"
<g...@mendelson.com> wrote:

>Cell phones cost a lot to call, landlines less and the secondary provider
>landlines are very cheap.

We have number portability in the US, which means the prefix can no
longer be used to determine the type of phone or the general location.

For cell phones, while the rest of the planet the caller pays, in the
US, the call recipient pays, making cell phone spam profitable.

The Federal Trade Commission do not call list is widely ignored by
international telemarketers.
<http://www.donotcall.gov>
<http://transition.fcc.gov/cgb/donotcall/>
The do not call list does not cover calls within a State. However
most states simply pass the problem to the federal system. For
example, California:
<http://oag.ca.gov/donotcall>
Calls are still permitted from:
(1) collection agencies and creditors,
(2) political organizations,
(3) charities,
(4) pollsters and individuals doing surveys and
(5) companies with whom you have an existing business relationship.
A company may call you for 18 months after you make a purchase
or three months after you submit an inquiry or application.

All of the phone solicitations I receive fall into these exceptions.

Dave Platt

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Jun 19, 2011, 10:41:30 PM6/19/11
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In article <h40qv61un9p4749us...@4ax.com>,
Jeff Liebermann <je...@cruzio.com> wrote:

>About 10 years ago, I threw together a home IVR system that almost
>worked. It would grab and store the caller ID, but not ring the phone
>no matter how many times the caller would ring. However, if the same
>caller ID called back within about 3 minutes, the phone would ring
>normally. I would tell my friends and accomplises to call twice. The
>problem was that many callers didn't have caller ID active. I also
>missed some important calls.

I ended up doing something vaguely similar, recently, when we switched
my wife's business line from a dedicated AT&T landline to a VoIP
connection. We terminate the incoming VoIP call at a small home
server running Asterisk, which has some blacklisting capabilities
built in, and the potential for more via dialplan scripting.

My current recipe:

(1) Any blacklisted number (the prolific "ADA" phonespammer being the
lead among them) - the call is rejected with a "congestion"
response. Phone never rings - from the telco's point of view the
call is never answered, and the caller hears a fast-busy.

[2] Calls which provide caller-ID, from any of the area codes near
ours (most of my wife's clients) or a couple of distant cities...
rings the business phone / answering machine immediately.

[3] All others - answer, robo-voice "Please wait to be connected",
wait 10 seconds, ring the business phone if the call is still alive.

Rule (3) seems to deter most sales-slime... they hang up rather than
wait.

I've also got a couple of three-digit codes programmed in, to add the
most recent caller to the blacklist, or remove if in error.

The total number of nuisance calls she has to deal with is down by
around 90% since the old land-line days.

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Dave Platt <dpl...@radagast.org> AE6EO
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I do _not_ wish to receive unsolicited commercial email, and I will
boycott any company which has the gall to send me such ads!

Jeff Liebermann

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Jun 19, 2011, 11:30:41 PM6/19/11
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On Sun, 19 Jun 2011 19:41:30 -0700, dpl...@radagast.org (Dave Platt)
wrote:

>I ended up doing something vaguely similar, recently, when we switched
>my wife's business line from a dedicated AT&T landline to a VoIP
>connection.

Note that business to business telemarketing calls are exempt from the
do not call rules:
<http://business.ftc.gov/documents/alt129-qa-telemarketers-sellers-about-dnc-provisions-tsr#exempt>

>We terminate the incoming VoIP call at a small home
>server running Asterisk, which has some blacklisting capabilities
>built in, and the potential for more via dialplan scripting.

Android cell phone blacklist software (with huge blacklist of numbers
included).
<http://www.everycall.us/product/call-control-android/>
Same with OOma VoIP:
<http://ooma.custhelp.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/194/~/personal-and-community-blacklists>

>My current recipe:
>
>(1) Any blacklisted number (the prolific "ADA" phonespammer being the
> lead among them) - the call is rejected with a "congestion"
> response. Phone never rings - from the telco's point of view the
> call is never answered, and the caller hears a fast-busy.
>
>[2] Calls which provide caller-ID, from any of the area codes near
> ours (most of my wife's clients) or a couple of distant cities...
> rings the business phone / answering machine immediately.
>
>[3] All others - answer, robo-voice "Please wait to be connected",
> wait 10 seconds, ring the business phone if the call is still alive.
>
>Rule (3) seems to deter most sales-slime... they hang up rather than
>wait.

Nice. That should work. The basic idea is if unidentified, to waste
their time. Since telemarketers don't like to sit on hold, they just
leave. However, they often come back. I was just hanging up on one
idiot caller, who would just wait about 30 minutes, and call again. He
eventually went away when I asked for the name of his telemarketing
organization.

On a customers system, I plagiarized a script I found on the net, that
was designed to irritate telemarketers.
<http://www.voip-info.org/wiki/view/Asterisk+AEL+Telemarketer+Torture>
It was fun for a while, until a very important caller got stuck with
it.

I later had it making Strowger switch sounds before ringing.
<http://www.seg.co.uk/telecomm/step1.wav>
Those with a clue thought it was cute. Those too young to remember a
step CO, were confused.

>I've also got a couple of three-digit codes programmed in, to add the
>most recent caller to the blacklist, or remove if in error.

Also nice. List management is not fun.

>The total number of nuisance calls she has to deal with is down by
>around 90% since the old land-line days.

I must be leading a charmed life. I get very few unsolicited calls on
any of my 4 assorted numbers. The few that I get are from exempt
organizations, my long lost college, a few clueless head hunters, and
desperate usenet readers needing help with their wireless. I guess
being mean and nasty pays.

Bruce Esquibel

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Jun 20, 2011, 7:18:21 AM6/20/11
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Wild_Bill <wb_wi...@xspamyahoo.com> wrote:
> I was gonna mench, there was a device marketed in the 80s, I think, that
> wouldn't even ring your phone until the caller entered a 3-digit number.. it
> might'a been the AES company.

> No outgoing message, that I recall, it required all callers to know the
> owner, and call from a touchtone phone, IIRC.
> Maybe it was before the 80s.. quite a while before caller ID was available.

Privcode, if thats the same one you are thinking of.

I had two of them, worked great. For that time period it was a well thought
out device. If they didn't have a touch tone phone to punch in the code (you
could issue up to 16 different ones, I think), it would start to speak the
numbers (one, two, three...) and the caller could say "stop".

There was like one dummy code to hand out, would just ring for the caller,
wouldn't ring the phone on your end. 123 always went straight to the
answering machine.

Even came with a deck of cards you could write out the code number issued,
along with the instructions for the caller about how to get in.

Best feature was, it intercepted the incoming call. If someone dialed the
number and had no code, end of story, never rang your phone.

Biggest problem with them was with lighting strikes, even a near-by one
seemed to blow the unit, not a direct hit either. Kinda pricey for the time,
was either like $600 or $800 in late 1980's dollars.

I think the common place caller-id and cheap digital answering machines
killed off the company, but that really was a great device.

-bruce
b...@ripco.com

Meat Plow

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Jun 20, 2011, 3:50:41 PM6/20/11
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Yeah, no prefixes here to distinguish between land, dsl, cable, or cell.
My mom has a decent caller blocking system, I just need to get over there
and program it for her.

Alias

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On Mon, 20 Jun 2011 19:50:41 +0000 (UTC), Meat Plow wrote
(<news:pan.2011.06...@emutt.macspoofer.lmao>):

> On Sat, 18 Jun 2011 22:54:04 +0000, Geoffrey S. Mendelson wrote:

You remember her address, right?

If not, it's in my .sig.

Yer welcome.


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