What's it called ... ?

[Arfa Daily]

Anyone know the name or catalogue description of that flat ribbon cable,
usually grey but sometimes black, that has a sort of 'web' between the
conductors, and is tinned when you strip it ? Each individual wire is
probably about one wire-width distant from its neighbours, so a piece say 8
conductors wide would be about the same width as a 'traditional' ribbon of
16 conductors. It's used to interconnect boards typically - think HK Actor
or various Fender combos that have the preamp tubes on separate sub boards.
Also used with those dreadful snatch connectors where the contacts grip the
soldered wire surface so hard that you always finish up with the tinned
tails bending, which then makes them a bitch to get back into the connector.

Anyone ?

Arfa

[JW]

On Mon, 2 Dec 2013 10:01:10 -0000 "Arfa Daily" <arfa....@ntlworld.com>
wrote in Message id: <68Zmu.992$8z2...@fx18.am4>:

Possibly?
http://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/3365%2F06%20300SF/MC06G-300-ND/1832096

[JW]

On Mon, 02 Dec 2013 06:03:50 -0500 JW <no...@dev.null> wrote in Message id:
<m7qo99hiskcsmgr26...@4ax.com>:

Or better yet
http://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/8125%2F04%20100/ML04G-100-ND/1107830

[William Sommerwerck]

"What do you call that brown candy that tastes like chocolate?"

You're probably trying to think of the name of the connector -- an "insulation
displacement" connector.

[Jeff Liebermann]

Something like this?
<http://img.diytrade.com/cdimg/206111/16540597/0/1349446147/2_0_kapton_ribbon_Cable_ul5188.jpg>
<http://www.diytrade.com/china/pd/7565316/2_0_kapton_ribbon_Cable_ul5188.html>

I once found a vendor that will supply such ribbon cables cut to
length, but only if I buy them by the thousands. I only needed one,
to fix an oven controller, so I tediously made my own from individual
solid wires and tape. (Hint: The tape glue eventually melted in the
oven. Next time, I'll use RTV).

I don't think there's a specific name for such cable. It's just flat
ribbon cable.

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[dansabr...@yahoo.com]

For the reasons posted earlier, I tend to salvage all kinds of ribbin cables from non-repairable units. Fixed many a unit with scrap cables. Much easier than the wire/tape method.

Dan

[OldGuy]

Arfa Daily submitted this idea :

It is called a "flat flex cable"

filtered for solder tab to solder tab.

many examples here
http://www.digikey.com/product-search/en?pv31=239&FV=fff40018%2Cfff80232&k=flat+cable&mnonly=0&newproducts=0&ColumnSort=0&page=1&quantity=0&ptm=0&fid=0&pageSize=25

and specifically one sample
http://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/A9AAT-1202E/A9AAT-1202E-ND/470369



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[N_Cook]

I call it "bugger it (forgot the damn hotmelt)" Unless you run a fillet
of hotmelt along the solder point line, at least one of the filaments
break at a solder point on moving the ribbon

[Arfa Daily]

"JW" <no...@dev.null> wrote in message
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That looks pretty much like it. Looks like it's made by 3M. I'll do some
more hunting based on that. Thanks for your input

Arfa

[Arfa Daily]

"William Sommerwerck" <grizzle...@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:l7hve3$3bp$1...@dont-email.me...

> "What do you call that brown candy that tastes like chocolate?"
>
> You're probably trying to think of the name of the connector -- an
> "insulation displacement" connector.
>

It's not what I know as an IDC. These are typically found on conventional
close-spaced ribbon cable, and have tulip contacts that slice thru - and
hence 'displace' - the insulation. The stuff I'm trying to find has to be
stripped and the conductors are multi-strand and usually tinned to form a
'homogenous wire' as they come out from the insulation. Sometimes, this
cable is soldered direct into a standard thru-hole board, and sometimes,
onto surface PCB 'fingers'. Other times though, it is inserted into a
hateful type of connector that has a plastic lifty-uppy latch with holes in
it. The tinned wire tails are inserted into the holes, where they push down
the sides of razor edged springy contacts. The wires are immediately
'snatched' by the sharp edges on these contacts (hence 'snatch connector').
When the latch is pushed back down, the wire is forced into the contacts,
and the sharp edges really bite into the soft solder. And that's what makes
the cables such a bitch to get out of the connector, and oftentimes results
in them becoming bent. Once this has happened, it's a bit like trying to get
an IC with slightly off-line pins into 16 PCB holes in an awkward place,
using 8" long needle-nose pliers ...

Anyone on here that's involved at the sharp end of service, will know the
stuff I'm talking about, and probably dislike it as much as I do ...

Arfa

[Arfa Daily]

"Jeff Liebermann" <je...@cruzio.com> wrote in message
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That's the right sort of spacing, and I know exactly what that stuff is.
It's still not quite right though. The stuff shown there is made from flat
conductors, a bit like flexiprint, that are folded round into 'tubes' where
they emerge from the insulation, to form sort of connection 'pins' for
soldering into a pcb

Arfa

[Arfa Daily]

"Jeff Liebermann" <je...@cruzio.com> wrote in message
news:odfp99dr544nkv9tq...@4ax.com...

This is about as close as I've found so far

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/MOLEX-882060016-RIBBON-CABLE-IDT-6WAY-PER-/390614562214?pt=UK_BOI_Electrical_Components_Supplies_ET&hash=item5af27135a6

Arfa

[dave]

These guys have a lot of ribbon cable:

http://www.apexelectronic.com/image/tid/48

[chuck]

It is made by 3M. We used to get it from Mouser or Digikey to repair
Sony BetaCam decks. Some operators would constantly move the control
panel up and down breaking the ribbon cable link. Chuck

[JW]

On Sun, 08 Dec 2013 17:27:39 -0600 chuck <ch...@deja.net> wrote in Message
id: <dsv9a9dl4hnmfv59l...@4ax.com>:

Weird. All of Arfa's posts after the original in this thread are not
available on Astraweb's server. In any case, you're welcome.

[Arfa Daily]

"OldGuy" <Old...@nospam.com> wrote in message
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Nope. Sorry, that's not it. Similar spacing, but those are pre-prepared
specific-length flat cables. I have seen these used as PCB interconnects on
many occasions. The stuff I am looking for is very similar to conventional
adjacent-conductor ribbon cable, such as you might find as an IDE bus cable
on a disk drive. Now imagine every second conductor is missing, and is
replaced by a plastic 'web', so an 8 way cable would be as wide as a
conventional 16 way. I have seen it in both flexible and
not-quite-so-flexible versions, and the conductors are usually made from
multi-stranded wires, but tinned inside the insulation. I am pretty sure
that it would come on a reel like conventional ribbon cable, so you could
take any length you like.

Arfa

[Arfa Daily]

"N_Cook" <div...@tcp.co.uk> wrote in message
news:l7kpo6$9dh$1...@dont-email.me...

Correct ! You obviously know the stuff I'm talking about. A classic example
of which you speak, is the HK Actor series of powered speakers and subs,
where it is used to interconnect boards. When you have to maneuver the
boards back and forth to replace output transistors, the conductors can
break at board level, and if the wrong ones break, it can spell instant
death to the shiny new transistors that you've just put in ... >:-(

Arfa

[mrob...@att.net]

Arfa Daily <arfa....@ntlworld.com> wrote:
> Anyone know the name or catalogue description of that flat ribbon
> cable, usually grey but sometimes black, that has a sort of 'web'
> between the conductors, and is tinned when you strip it ?

I call it "power ribbon cable", but I don't know if that's the official
name. It is all over the place in the larger Japanese consumer
equipment I have taken the lids off of, like VCRs and stereos. Along
that line, I Googled up some Japanese wire companies, but I can't find
any that admit to making it, at least on their English web sites.

> Anyone ?

3M 8132 might be closer to what you want; it is 18 AWG wires (about 0.8
mm^2) on 0.156" (3.96 mm) centers. They seem to call it "power flat
cable". More information might be available at this hideous link:
http://solutions.3m.com/wps/portal/3M/en_US/Interconnect/Home/Products/ProductCatalog/Catalog/?PC_Z7_RJH9U5230O73D0ISNF9B3C3SI1000000_nid=782P51QZ6Dit6Z44P5GPWMgl1NNRWNJR31bl

The same thing with resistor colors and 22 AWG wires (about 0.3 mm^2) is
3391:
http://solutions.3m.com/wps/portal/3M/en_US/Interconnect/Home/Products/ProductCatalog/Catalog/?PC_Z7_RJH9U5230O73D0ISNF9B3C3SI1000000_nid=782P51QZ6Dit6Z44P5GPWMgl1NNRWNJR31bl

Matt Roberds

[Arfa Daily]

<mrob...@att.net> wrote in message news:l8as8m$kuk$1...@dont-email.me...

Thanks Matt. I'll take a look when I have a minute

Arfa

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