Electric Oven Wire keeps burning out!

[bruce bowser]

On Tuesday, May 16, 2006 at 1:02:42 AM UTC-4, cfidad wrote in alt.home.repair:
> The yellow wire to the bottom heating element of my Maytag PER4310BAQ
> keeps burning out. The oven stops heating up and I find the last
> inch of wire charred black where it connects to the heating element.
> I have replaced the heating element once with a factory replacement,
> but the problem continues. I am concerned that just cutting the wire
> and crimping it once again to the heating element connector will
> eventually cause an unsafe condition with the exposed wire touching
> other parts. My intention is to find the cause for the repeated
> burning out of the same wire. Does anyone out there have the
> expertise to tell me what to fix to prevent this problem from
> continuing?
> Thank you in advance for your input.

The best bet is to call an electrician in the phone book.

[RosemontCrest]

That assumes that someone still has a phone book from 2006.

[Jim Whitby]

On Tue, 13 Jul 2021 10:44:38 -0700, bruce bowser wrote:

> On Tuesday, May 16, 2006 at 1:02:42 AM UTC-4, cfidad wrote in
> alt.home.repair:

<snip>

> The best bet is to call an electrician in the phone book.

Did you perchance miss the date of the request?

It was 15+ years ago.

[whit3rd]

On Tuesday, July 13, 2021 at 10:44:41 AM UTC-7, bruce bowser wrote:
> On Tuesday, May 16, 2006 at 1:02:42 AM UTC-4, cfidad wrote in alt.home.repair:
> > The yellow wire to the bottom heating element of my Maytag PER4310BAQ
> > keeps burning out. The oven stops heating up and I find the last
> > inch of wire charred black where it connects to the heating element.
> > I have replaced the heating element once with a factory replacement,
> > but the problem continues.

> The best bet is to call an electrician in the phone book.

Appliance repairman would be more apropos, but... there's often shortage of
factory-stock items that DO go bad with age. An 'authorized' repairman can't
always use non-factory items.

So, you can replace the last inch or two of wire with new high-temp wire
(or just fiberglas spaghetti over a bare wire), and you can make the
element connection with something other than a crimp.
I like silver solder (jewelry-making supplies, it only takes a few milligrams
of Ag alloy) with appropriate (solder salts) flux and a propane torch.
Lap the wire and electrode, wrap with a thin copper strand to hold it,
flux, crimp a silver bit onto it, and get it redhot.

Spot-welding works, too, when the temperature doesn't serve crimps well,
but most of us don't have that apparatus handy.

[Idiot]

Another idiot google groups user replying to a posting that is 15 years
old.

Do you really think this person is still waiting for your answer after
15 years?

bruce bowser <bruce2...@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Tuesday, May 16, 2006 at 1:02:42 AM UTC-4, cfidad wrote:
>> The yellow wire to the bottom heating element of my Maytag PER4310BAQ
>> keeps burning out. The oven stops heating up and I find the last
>> inch of wire charred black where it connects to the heating element.
>> I have replaced the heating element once with a factory replacement,

>> but the problem continues. I am concerned that just cutting the wire
>> and crimping it once again to the heating element connector will
>> eventually cause an unsafe condition with the exposed wire touching
>> other parts. My intention is to find the cause for the repeated
>> burning out of the same wire. Does anyone out there have the
>> expertise to tell me what to fix to prevent this problem from
>> continuing?
>> Thank you in advance for your input.
>

[Michael Trew]

On 7/13/2021 1:58 PM, RosemontCrest wrote:
> That assumes that someone still has a phone book from 2006.

Haha... in all seriousness, I have been burned by enough people online,
that I do use a phone book when looking for a contractor. I've chalked
up anyone that doesn't advertise in the yellow pages as anywhere from
inferior to total scam artist at this point.

[Ralph Mowery]

In article <scn0qj$ce5$9...@dont-email.me>, mt99...@ymail.com says...

>
> Haha... in all seriousness, I have been burned by enough people online,
> that I do use a phone book when looking for a contractor. I've chalked
> up anyone that doesn't advertise in the yellow pages as anywhere from
> inferior to total scam artist at this point.
>
>

There is something on the internet called Next Door Neighbor. Just a
big bullliten board where you can post most anything. I have asked on
there for several contractors and plumbers and painters. So far every
one people on there recommend have been execellent.
Most people like the painter does not not need to advertise as they stay
busy by word of mouth. Took me 2 months before I could get a painter as
he was that far behind. Same with a concrete company to pour a pad for
a garage. Once they got started they were here every day on time wether
permitting.

[amdx]

 About 40 years ago, we had 5 or 6 electronic repair shops in the area.
Every year the yellow page ads got bigger and more expensive.

One of the repair shop owners put a meeting together of all the shop
owners and proposed everyone get the same size small, inexpensive phone
book ad.

And they did! It worked for several years until one of them bought a
bigger ad and then the next year everyone went back to the bigger more
expensive ads.

Mikek


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[John Robertson]

I have a rule-of-thumb when dealing with unknown companies - if they
don't list their physical address on their web site (google street view
that address) along with a phone number then I usually won't bother with
them.

John :-#)#

[Ralph Mowery]

In article <SLadnSdMdKZupXL9...@giganews.com>,
sp...@flippers.com says...

>
> I have a rule-of-thumb when dealing with unknown companies - if they
> don't list their physical address on their web site (google street view
> that address) along with a phone number then I usually won't bother with
> them.
>
>
>

That does not always work. I have seen many ads to sell things that
show a big store and it seems to be a valid web page, but more checking
out and it is just some spoofing going on to cheat you .

[Peter W.]

> That does not always work. I have seen many ads to sell things that
> show a big store and it seems to be a valid web page, but more checking
> out and it is just some spoofing going on to cheat you .

And why Google Earth exists.

Peter Wieck
Melrose Park, PA

[Ralph Mowery]

In article <4b863895-443f-4838...@googlegroups.com>,
peterw...@gmail.com says...

>
> > That does not always work. I have seen many ads to sell things that
> > show a big store and it seems to be a valid web page, but more checking
> > out and it is just some spoofing going on to cheat you .
>
> And why Google Earth exists.
>
>
>

What good does Google Eatth do ? It just shows there is a store at that
address. If I say I will be shipping from that store, it does not mean
I actually will.

I have seen many ads pop up on Face Book and if you look them up there
will be a store at that place. Try checking out some of the liquadition
sales that pop up. Most of them will show you a store, but if you
contact that store directly they will tell you you are being scammed by
someone else and that was not their ad.

[Ron D.]

I think the problem is crimping. Crimping is not for solid wire. the best method is probably spot welding or specifically Capacitance Discharge Welding. You have a hand-held wand that can make those connections.

[Peter W.]

Signage. Truck decals. Adjacent addresses. Much can be learned.

[Michael Terrell]

On Thursday, July 15, 2021 at 5:51:48 PM UTC-4, Peter W. wrote:
> Signage. Truck decals. Adjacent addresses. Much can be learned.

Much can be faked by claiming the address of a legitimate business, as well. Around here, people were advertising enclosed trailers as being sold by existing businesses, but they didn't run the ads. I've reported one to the FBI for Wire Fraud, after contacting the FTC.

[Michael Terrell]

On Wednesday, July 14, 2021 at 12:00:13 PM UTC-4, Ralph Mowery wrote:
> In article <scn0qj$ce5$9...@dont-email.me>, mt99...@ymail.com says...
> >
> > Haha... in all seriousness, I have been burned by enough people online,
> > that I do use a phone book when looking for a contractor. I've chalked
> > up anyone that doesn't advertise in the yellow pages as anywhere from
> > inferior to total scam artist at this point.
> >
> >
> There is something on the internet called Next Door Neighbor. Just a

> big bulletin board where you can post most anything. I have asked on

> there for several contractors and plumbers and painters. So far every

> one people on there recommend have been excellent.

> Most people like the painter does not not need to advertise as they stay
> busy by word of mouth. Took me 2 months before I could get a painter as
> he was that far behind. Same with a concrete company to pour a pad for

> a garage. Once they got started they were here every day on time whether
> permitting.

Are you talking about https://nextdoor.com/ ?

[Ralph Mowery]

In article <a4b0e089-01f7-44d2...@googlegroups.com>,
terrell....@gmail.com says...

> There is something on the internet called Next Door Neighbor. Just a
> > big bulletin board where you can post most anything. I have asked on
> > there for several contractors and plumbers and painters. So far every
> > one people on there recommend have been excellent.
> > Most people like the painter does not not need to advertise as they stay
> > busy by word of mouth. Took me 2 months before I could get a painter as
> > he was that far behind. Same with a concrete company to pour a pad for
> > a garage. Once they got started they were here every day on time whether
> > permitting.
>
> Are you talking about https://nextdoor.com/ ?
>
>

Yes that is the one. It can be set up for your area.

Sofar when several have recommended people for me I have never been let
down. Just usually have to wait a while for many as they stay busy.
Sometimes it is just a day or so, but the painter and concrete people
were so far behind and the weather was not letting them work either, it
took a few months for me to work my way up their list. Once they
started, they were here on time weather permitting. Hard to paint
outside in the rain...

[Michael Terrell]

On Wednesday, July 14, 2021 at 11:45:27 AM UTC-4, Michael Trew wrote:
>
> Haha... in all seriousness, I have been burned by enough people online,
> that I do use a phone book when looking for a contractor. I've chalked
> up anyone that doesn't advertise in the yellow pages as anywhere from
> inferior to total scam artist at this point.

I did commercial sound for over a decade without a business phone. I worked for three school systems, some factories and churches. I did the work on site, and only warehouse the supplies out of a couple rooms in my home. It twas all word of mouth, or in one case a customer of a former employer knew what neighborhood I lived in, so they sent their head of maintenance to look for my unmarked van. The irony was that when I left that job I told the owner that I would not try to take away any existing customers, but that I wouldn't turn down the work if they knocked on my door. That was the second largest school district in the area. They didn't like the quality of work or the attitude of whoever was hired to replace me. I couldn't find good help that I would take into a school, so I had no need to advertise. Most work was completed in one trip, unlike my largest competertor who had over 20 crews on the road, but avered a little over five visits to finish a job. Of course, they were billed for each visit to around $150 per trip. Quite often, they would tell a school board that a systyem was uunrepairable, since they were franchised for most of three states. I got the first school system away from them by picking up a couple pallets of 'unrepairable equipment' one Friday afternoon, and returning it all to the school board's building the following Monday morning. They had had some of the equipment for over a year, claiming that the parts were on backorder. I had repaired eveything that they couldn't, and they did over $1,000,000 a year in new sales in the '70s. A well marked building, highly advertised B2B who were well past their prime. It was supposedly managed by a pair of EEs who weren't smart enough to add a pair of amplifiers to the existig intercom system. It was severly distorted when they turned on the new equipment. The idiots had paralled two new Dukane Amplifiers with the existing RCA, but they weren't smart enough to realize the Dukane amps were 180 degrees out of phase from the existing RCA amps. Rather than find out what was wrong, they simple cut the spaker wires off the mew amps and left them powered up.