looking for old video recorder
James Sweet
tapes that look like large VHS casettes, he's in the Olympia, WA area,
send me an email if you've got a working one lying around to get rid of.
Tom MacIntyre
Just to help in your search, I think they're called U-Matic format
tapes.
Tom
John Del
Tom, I'm sure you're correct, but have you ever seen a Quasar "Great
Time Machine"? Large cassette, but COAXIAL hubs! Repaired a couple of
them in the late seventies. I am not sure, but these may have beaten
VHS to market (after Beta). I wonder if there is any collector value to
these (very well made) beasts.
John Del
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>
>James Sweet <james...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>>A friend of mine is looking for something that will play the old video
>>tapes that look like large VHS casettes, he's in the Olympia, WA area,
>>send me an email if you've got a working one lying around to get rid of.
>
>
>Just to help in your search, I think they're called U-Matic format
>tapes.
>
>Tom
Check which umatic tapes they are. There's Low Band, High Band, and High band
SP. Not all umatic machines will play all three tapes. (Like VHS and S-VHS,
etc.).
Your best bet would be to take them to a production house and get them
ytransferred to VHS. Umatic is still widely in use (as in my studio!) as it is
a very useful format for a number of reasons.
Derry Argue
Firth Productions
Scotland, U.K.
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>
>
> Tom, I'm sure you're correct, but have you ever seen a Quasar "Great
> Time Machine"? Large cassette, but COAXIAL hubs! Repaired a couple of
> them in the late seventies. I am not sure, but these may have beaten
> VHS to market (after Beta). I wonder if there is any collector value to
> these (very well made) beasts.
Was that the "Cartrivision" system? I read about that in a book about
VCRs by a guy named Lardner. He described it as a big square cartridge
with stacked hubs. This was about '72, after U-Matic, but before Beta.
Seems they were selling pretty well, but then all the tapes (blank and
pre-recorded) started deteriorating, and they all had to be recalled and
replaced. That pretty much killed it.
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team...@webtv.net (Team Goon xDxIx) writes:
>
>I have a portable U MATIC machine for sale, $100.
>
>
And I forgot to mention there are 20 (and under 20 min) minute "camera" tapes
and 60 editing tapes. The portable machines take the smaller 20 minute
cassettes, the editing machines take both sizes.
Sorry if I spoilt a sale!
James Sweet
prices in mind, like <$25 or so. I didn't realize there was any market
for those things, I passed up several for free a few years ago.
Dan MacDonald
tmac...@ns.sympatico.ca wrote:
> James Sweet <james...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> >A friend of mine is looking for something that will play the old
video
> >tapes that look like large VHS casettes, he's in the Olympia, WA
area,
> >send me an email if you've got a working one lying around to get rid
of.
>
> Just to help in your search, I think they're called U-Matic format
> tapes.
>
> Tom
>
basement. It's a huge old dinosaur, and you wouldn't want to pay
shipping on it, so your friend would probably have to come down to the
Portland area to get it. If I find it this weekend, he could have it
for next to nothing.
DGArgue
writes:
>
>I think his tapes are longer, but I also think he has garage sale type
>prices in mind, like <$25 or so. I didn't realize there was any market
>for those things, I passed up several for free a few years ago.
>
>
Depends on the make and model. I still acquire and edit on High Band Umatic SP
and it is in many way superior to S-VHS -- apart from weight! The higher end
equipment by Sony is still quite expensive and sought after. I have the BVU900s
for editing and these are beautiful machines. I could probably sell them for
almost what I paid for them four years ago as they use them as feeders for
non-linear.
I also have a VO1810 (one of the earliest low band recorders) which still plays
excellent pictures, but it needs new belts.
In Yorkshire, England, they have a saying, "Yer gets nowt for nowt". ("You get
nothing for nothing"). You were probably wise to pass up the free ones! The JVC
decks are worth nothing.
John Del
"James A. Jones" <ja...@gnofn.org> wrote:
> Was that the "Cartrivision" system? I read about that in a book about
> VCRs by a guy named Lardner. He described it as a big square cartridge
> with stacked hubs. This was about '72, after U-Matic, but before Beta.
> Seems they were selling pretty well, but then all the tapes (blank and
> pre-recorded) started deteriorating, and they all had to be recalled
and
> replaced. That pretty much killed it.
>
You could be right, although they were advertised as the "Great Time
Machine" by Quasar. I also thought they beat Beta to market, but was
afraid to post that for fear of a Beta heinie flame! Also, I don't
remember any prerecorded software for these, as they were touted for
time shifting network programming. But I do remember these were very
sturdy and reliable. I also remember them having one head chip on the
headwheel assy, with a full tape wrap.
John Del
> ----------
wtur...@email.com
remembered I have some U-Matic tapes for sale:
Sony KCA-60 video cassettes, for U-Matic 3/4" industrial video
recorders;
approx 20 years old, used once. I have 10 tapes. Offers?
These tapes are located in Winnipeg, Canada, so buyer would pay
shipping.
> ----------
> From: tmac...@ns.sympatico.ca (Tom
> MacIntyre)[SMTP:tmac...@ns.sympatico.ca]
> Reply To: tmac...@ns.sympatico.ca
> Posted At: Thursday, July 01, 1999 3:53 PM
> Posted To: sci.electronics.repair
> Conversation: looking for old video recorder
> Subject: Re: looking for old video recorder
RalphWM
If you want the real low down on VCR trivia, and who did what first......
the first affordable color video recorder was sold by AMPEX, BUT IT WAS NOT A
CARTRIDGE, but rather reel to reel. They had VERY poor caopatability, (you
couldn't share tapes with other machines).
Believe it or not, the very FIRST CONSUMER CARTRIDGE COLOR VIDEO RECORDER was
sold by SEAR ROEBUCK!!!! It was made by a USA coampany that Sears had a
majority interwst in at the time. This is absolute;ly correct, It was only
sold in a 3 way console, and I saw one operating in a showroom around 1969.
The next COLOR CONSUMER VIDEO RECORDER WAS THE BETAMAX around 1976 and was sold
in a large 17" consle, and the VCR portion would NOT stand/operate alone.
(Around 1977/8 was the first stand alone betamax).
somewhere around mid 1970's was the 3/4" U-Matic, but it was a semiprofessional
studio machine.
The next CONSUMER COLOR CARTRIDGE VIDEO RECORDER was the quasar Great time
machine. It was a designed by Panasonic.
The first VHS COLOR CONSUMER VIDEO RECORDER was sold by Panasonic, and believe
it or not, it was a JVC design.
Ralph
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>Subject: Re: looking for old video recorder
>From: John Del ohg...@aol.com
>Date: Thu, 01 July 1999 07:19 PM EDT
>Message-id: <7lgt0r$rod$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>
>
>In article <377bd51f...@news1.ns.sympatico.ca>,
> tmac...@ns.sympatico.ca wrote:
>> James Sweet <james...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> >A friend of mine is looking for something that will play the old
>video
>> >tapes that look like large VHS casettes, he's in the Olympia, WA
>area,
>> >send me an email if you've got a working one lying around to get rid
>of.
>>
>> Just to help in your search, I think they're called U-Matic format
>> tapes.
>>
>> Tom
>
>Tom, I'm sure you're correct, but have you ever seen a Quasar "Great
>Time Machine"? Large cassette, but COAXIAL hubs! Repaired a couple of
>them in the late seventies. I am not sure, but these may have beaten
>VHS to market (after Beta). I wonder if there is any collector value to
>these (very well made) beasts.
>John Del
JURB6005
Cartovision preceeded the betammax by 2-3 years
I worked on them.
TAKE A WALK
JURB6005
JURB6005
BOB URZ
magazines for a few
dollars. Maybe if this system didn't flop, VCR's would still be made in
this country,
and at least some consumer electronics still made here! (YEA)
bob
Lenny
as well as a Panasonic quasi consumer model, both of which I could
probably part with. Heck, I'd even throw in a box of tapes too!
Lenny Stein.
Clifton T. Sharp Jr.
> the first affordable color video recorder was sold by AMPEX, BUT IT WAS NOT A
> CARTRIDGE, but rather reel to reel. They had VERY poor caopatability, (you
> couldn't share tapes with other machines).
It wasn't a home machine by any means. It cost six figures.
> Believe it or not, the very FIRST CONSUMER CARTRIDGE COLOR VIDEO RECORDER was
> sold by SEAR ROEBUCK!!!! It was made by a USA coampany that Sears had a
> majority interwst in at the time. This is absolute;ly correct, It was only
> sold in a 3 way console, and I saw one operating in a showroom around 1969.
Sears wasn't the only one selling them. The first Cartrivision I ever worked
on was sold by a small TV/locksmith shop in Countryside IL.
> The next COLOR CONSUMER VIDEO RECORDER WAS THE BETAMAX around 1976 and was sold
> in a large 17" consle, and the VCR portion would NOT stand/operate alone.
> (Around 1977/8 was the first stand alone betamax).
In February 1976 I was present for what had to be the opening of the first
Betamax in Chicago. It was a standalone unit.
> somewhere around mid 1970's was the 3/4" U-Matic, but it was a semiprofessional
> studio machine.
U-Matic long preceded the 1976 Betamax. Too expensive and too impractical
for extensive home use. $2000 for a low-end machine, $35 for a tape; tapes
were one hour.
> The next CONSUMER COLOR CARTRIDGE VIDEO RECORDER was the quasar Great time
> machine. It was a designed by Panasonic.
I only remember the "Great Time Machine" as a VHS machine with a nifty
marketing angle. I could be wrong.
> The first VHS COLOR CONSUMER VIDEO RECORDER was sold by Panasonic, and believe
> it or not, it was a JVC design.
JVC and Matsushita were two of the companies who pooled resources to set
the VHS standards.
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JURB6005
Now for some real trivia. I was told, and the source is fairly good, a little
known fact about VHS. It was invented by Sony. Sony dumped it in JVCs lap for a
price, not licensing, just sold it lock stock and barrell. The head mat'ls and
manufacturing techiques of the day simply made a bigger head drum nessecary.
Probably due to their high picture quality on the Sony TVs, the VHS system
looked terrible. I ponder if this is why the Betas were named after the SECOND
letter of the Greek alphabet. I have heard that Beta is a Japanese diety, god
of speed I think, but what does speed have to do with it? Also did everybody
forget about the Techicolors ?
Greek letter thing is pure supposition on my part, but the "Sony invented VHS"
comes from someone who has been dealing with Sony for a VERY long time.
What do you all think ?
Clifton T. Sharp Jr.
> jurb...@aol.comtere (JURB6005) wrote:
> >Now for some real trivia. I was told, and the source is fairly good, a little
> >known fact about VHS. It was invented by Sony. Sony dumped it in JVCs lap for a
> >price, not licensing, just sold it lock stock and barrell. The head mat'ls and
> >manufacturing techiques of the day simply made a bigger head drum nessecary.
> >Probably due to their high picture quality on the Sony TVs, the VHS system
> >looked terrible.
VHS didn't look too bad by comparison. Beta had a little more resolution,
but the noise from the early circuitry and heads was equal in both systems
and many people wouldn't choose on the basis of resolution because of it.
> There was a competition to get recording time longer, which was a biggie
> with the consumer market. VHS could record longer, in the early days, on a
> casette than Beta. Its picture quality on the average TV wasn't a lot
> worse, and record time mattered more. Of course, as materials (tape an
> head) improved, the gap closed. Beta's larger drum size gives a higher
> writing speed. My gut feeling is that Sony's refusal to license out beta,
> while VHS had a number of suppliers, killed them.
Not just that. Sony kept the prices high. Sony also had the magic flying
record/play head; all it took was 60 seconds in pause mode to clog the
heads enough to make them heavy enough to literally fly off the head drum.
All those factors went into it; I believe the most important was the play
time.
Maurits
379E2667...@corecomm.net...
> > The next CONSUMER COLOR CARTRIDGE VIDEO RECORDER was the quasar
Great time
> > machine. It was a designed by Panasonic.
>
> I only remember the "Great Time Machine" as a VHS machine with a nifty
> marketing angle. I could be wrong.
>
> > The first VHS COLOR CONSUMER VIDEO RECORDER was sold by Panasonic,
and believe
> > it or not, it was a JVC design.
In 1972 Philips has the N1500
http://www.popadom.demon.co.uk/vidhist/P_1500_a.htm
Maurits
Gary Woods
>Now for some real trivia. I was told, and the source is fairly good, a little
>known fact about VHS. It was invented by Sony. Sony dumped it in JVCs lap for a
>price, not licensing, just sold it lock stock and barrell. The head mat'ls and
>manufacturing techiques of the day simply made a bigger head drum nessecary.
>Probably due to their high picture quality on the Sony TVs, the VHS system
>looked terrible.
There was a competition to get recording time longer, which was a biggie
with the consumer market. VHS could record longer, in the early days, on a
casette than Beta. Its picture quality on the average TV wasn't a lot
worse, and record time mattered more. Of course, as materials (tape an
head) improved, the gap closed. Beta's larger drum size gives a higher
writing speed. My gut feeling is that Sony's refusal to license out beta,
while VHS had a number of suppliers, killed them. Care to compare a
similar situation among computer makers?
I ponder if this is why the Betas were named after the SECOND
> Also did everybody
>forget about the Techicolors ?
Oh no, our sales department had one built into a TV for presentations.
Really made by Funai, and the format is similar in operation to VHS, but
with 1/4: tape and only, I think, 20 minutes to a tape. Enough to show the
client "Gee doesn't your commercial look great? Lets have a 3-martini
lunch and sign something."
>the "Sony invented VHS"
>comes from someone who has been dealing with Sony for a VERY long time.
True, but then they improved it beyond what was necessary, totally misread
the market, and got what they deserved.
Anybody want a BVU-100? Cheap?
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source to feed to it, and a monitor to view it from.
There even was a model number for the Betamax recorder :SL-6200...
Neat ol' machine..
Andy
John Del
that that the old RCA Corporation had the "Selectavision" (no, not the
CED) video cartridge system fully engineered and production ready in
1971, but aborted the project because of cost. I had seen press
releases of this huge VCR. This was a 1 hour machine, cartridge type
with it's own tuner. After the project was killed, the whole engineering
package was sold to a Japanese company complete. This supposedly was the
basis for one of the formats (not Beta). I wish now I had paid more
attention to the article!
John Del
"Clifton T. Sharp Jr." <cli...@corecomm.net> wrote:
> RalphWM wrote:
> > the first affordable color video recorder was sold by AMPEX, BUT IT
WAS NOT A
> > CARTRIDGE, but rather reel to reel. They had VERY poor
caopatability, (you
> > couldn't share tapes with other machines).
>
> It wasn't a home machine by any means. It cost six figures.
>
> > Believe it or not, the very FIRST CONSUMER CARTRIDGE COLOR VIDEO
RECORDER was
> > sold by SEAR ROEBUCK!!!! It was made by a USA coampany that Sears
had a
> > majority interwst in at the time. This is absolute;ly correct, It
was only
> > sold in a 3 way console, and I saw one operating in a showroom
around 1969.
>
> Sears wasn't the only one selling them. The first Cartrivision I ever
worked
> on was sold by a small TV/locksmith shop in Countryside IL.
>
> > The next COLOR CONSUMER VIDEO RECORDER WAS THE BETAMAX around 1976
and was sold
> > in a large 17" consle, and the VCR portion would NOT stand/operate
alone.
> > (Around 1977/8 was the first stand alone betamax).
>
> In February 1976 I was present for what had to be the opening of the
first
> Betamax in Chicago. It was a standalone unit.
>
> > somewhere around mid 1970's was the 3/4" U-Matic, but it was a
semiprofessional
> > studio machine.
>
> U-Matic long preceded the 1976 Betamax. Too expensive and too
impractical
> for extensive home use. $2000 for a low-end machine, $35 for a tape;
tapes
> were one hour.
>
> > The next CONSUMER COLOR CARTRIDGE VIDEO RECORDER was the quasar
Great time
> > machine. It was a designed by Panasonic.
>
> I only remember the "Great Time Machine" as a VHS machine with a nifty
> marketing angle. I could be wrong.
>
> > The first VHS COLOR CONSUMER VIDEO RECORDER was sold by Panasonic,
and believe
> > it or not, it was a JVC design.
>
> JVC and Matsushita were two of the companies who pooled resources to
set
> the VHS standards.
>
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Lenny wrote:
>
> If anyone is still looking for a Umatic, I have Sony commercial machine
> as well as a Panasonic quasi consumer model, both of which I could
> probably part with. Heck, I'd even throw in a box of tapes too!
> Lenny Stein.
Lenny,
In Nebraska, we use those old Umatics for weight in the winter in the back of
our old impala's and LTD's. Sure beats a sand bag! (LOL). A local community
college
periodically sells there surplus. When these Dinosaurs come up fro bid, they
are
lucky to get $2.50 out of them if they get a bid at all. Times change.
BOB
Lenny
Lenny Stein.
Matthias Meerwein K8/DIC3
> Sorry about the full of <expletive> remark.
> Now for some real trivia. I was told, and the source is fairly good, a little
> known fact about VHS. It was invented by Sony. Sony dumped it in JVCs lap for a
> price, not licensing, just sold it lock stock and barrell. The head mat'ls and
> manufacturing techiques of the day simply made a bigger head drum nessecary.
> Probably due to their high picture quality on the Sony TVs, the VHS system
> looked terrible. I ponder if this is why the Betas were named after the SECOND
> letter of the Greek alphabet. I have heard that Beta is a Japanese diety, god
> of speed I think, but what does speed have to do with it? Also did everybody
> forget about the Techicolors ?
> Greek letter thing is pure supposition on my part, but the "Sony invented VHS"
> comes from someone who has been dealing with Sony for a VERY long time.
> What do you all think ?
Hi all,
to the best of my knowledge (read about this several years ago) "beta"
is
japanese for "close together". The technical background for the name was
the fact that the beta system was the first helical recording system
that
wrote the tracks on tape without leaving a gap between them.
Cross-coupling
between adjacent tracks was minimized by using different azimuth angles
for the two heads on the cylinder. Thus the tape was used more
efficiently
making it possible to stuff more recording time on the same length of
tape.
Greetings
Matthias
DGArgue
writes:
Depends. The old Sony 5800 series are still worth something and if you know
anyone throwing out any of the Sony 900 series (PAL, of course!) let me know!
The JVCs and Panasonics are not worth anything.
Lionel Wagner
> jurb...@aol.comtere (JURB6005) wrote:
> ......... My gut feeling is that Sony's refusal to license out beta,
> while VHS had a number of suppliers, killed them. Care to compare a
>
Apple computer made exactly the same mistake. The Mac was a superior
operating system. They demanded high licensing fees, forcing the
competition to come up with an alternative.
>
>>....."Sony invented VHS"...........
>
This should be posted to "alt.folklore.urban"
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<Matthias...@de.bosch.com> wrote:
>to the best of my knowledge (read about this several years ago) "beta"
>is
>japanese for "close together". The technical background for the name was
>the fact that the beta system was the first helical recording system
>that
>wrote the tracks on tape without leaving a gap between them.
>Cross-coupling
>between adjacent tracks was minimized by using different azimuth angles
>for the two heads on the cylinder. Thus the tape was used more
>efficiently
>making it possible to stuff more recording time on the same length of
>tape.
I heard the same during my formation
M. D. B.
German TV
Westdeutscher Rundfunk Studio Münster
Clifton T. Sharp Jr.
> Depends. The old Sony 5800 series are still worth something and if you know
> anyone throwing out any of the Sony 900 series (PAL, of course!) let me know!
> The JVCs and Panasonics are not worth anything.
I don't know how they've held up with age, but the VO-3850 (NOT the VO-3850A)
was a truly great machine.
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Lionel Wagner wrote in message <7o1n60$s...@freenet-news.carleton.ca>...
>
>> jurb...@aol.comtere (JURB6005) wrote:
>> ......... My gut feeling is that Sony's refusal to license out beta,
>> while VHS had a number of suppliers, killed them. Care to compare a
>> similar situation among computer makers?........
>>
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headwheel design concept used in the VHS design from Sony. Sony patented the
threading system, then didn't use it; they patented the headwheel, then used it
in the U-Matic (3/4 inch) and Video8 systems. BetaMax used, I think, a head
design licensed by Sony from Ampex, who used it in a 2-inch helical-scan
machine marketed for industrial and medical applications.
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Albuquerque, NM
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gawilli...@gmail.com
> A friend of mine is looking for something that will play the old video
> tapes that look like large VHS casettes, he's in the Olympia, WA area,
> send me an email if you've got a working one lying around to get rid of.
£40 for all 4. my email address is, gawilli...@google.com phone 07591188370 must collect
Allodoxaphobia
What a hoot! OIC... A Google Grooper... sigh...
RobertMacy
<knock_you...@example.net> wrote:
> On Sun, 24 Nov 2013 05:18:17 -0800 (PST), gawilli...@gmail.com wrote:
>> On Thursday, 1 July 1999 08:00:00 UTC+1, James Sweet wrote:
>>> A friend of mine is looking for something that will play the old video
>>> tapes that look like large VHS casettes, he's in the Olympia, WA area,
>>> send me an email if you've got a working one lying around to get rid
>>> of.
>>
>> hi I have 4 all in working order , but I live in south Yorkshire .
>
> Do you really believe James is still looking after more than 14 years?
>
> What a hoot! OIC... A Google Grooper... sigh...
and how they are waaaay out of date, she just laughed and said, "That's
the result of the NSA's search programs." Thinking about it, is it
possible search programs 'stir' the pot?
Michael Black
but then realize it's been a long time since I saw the name. And either
he got what he needed, or it no longer matters. Not after 14 years. Use
some common sense when replying to messages via google, so you don't reply
to old messages.
Michael
tomjenr...@gmail.com
Michael Black
You didn't notice the date, you didn't even read through the thread so you
never saw the idiot who posted in late 2013 saying they had such a
machine, or our replies then pointing out that the original poster wasn't
here in 2013.
There were over 30 posts in the thread back when this thread was topical,
you really think the guy didn't get what he needed/wanted back then?
The only thing worse than people who reply to old threads is people who
don't even read the full thread before replying late, to even try to see
if the problem was solved.
Michael