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SMD recommendations for tip, temperature and solder alloy and width?
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Drake Snow
Jan 29, 2022, 9:22:54 AM1/29/22
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Title says it all. I have a few SMD repairs to do, but don't have much
to start with. Don't want to have to shell out big $ just to make a few
repairs. I already have one of the Ebay 60 watt adjustable irons that
had four tips included with it. One is cone shaped and comes to a point
about the size of a pin. I'm guessing that's for SMD. Other than the
original tip, the other four have never been used. What about solder,
thickness and alloy as well as iron temperature setting? Thanks.
to start with. Don't want to have to shell out big $ just to make a few
repairs. I already have one of the Ebay 60 watt adjustable irons that
had four tips included with it. One is cone shaped and comes to a point
about the size of a pin. I'm guessing that's for SMD. Other than the
original tip, the other four have never been used. What about solder,
thickness and alloy as well as iron temperature setting? Thanks.
Phil Allison
Jan 29, 2022, 6:39:29 PM1/29/22
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Drake Snow wrote:
==============
> Title says it all.
** Not really.
===========================
** Got any idea what the existing solder is ?
Pb/Sn ? Pb free ? Sn/Ag ? Other?
What are you thinking of using?
60/40 ?
...... Phil
==============
> Title says it all.
** Not really.
** Got any idea what the existing solder is ?
Pb/Sn ? Pb free ? Sn/Ag ? Other?
What are you thinking of using?
60/40 ?
...... Phil
legg
Jan 30, 2022, 11:23:40 AM1/30/22
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On Sat, 29 Jan 2022 09:22:48 -0500, Drake Snow <s...@comcast.net>
wrote:
If you're not worried about destroying the removed part, then it
doesn't really matter - the focus should be on not damaging the
printed circuit hardware surfaces and tracking. Cut the legs off
the part and desolder them carefilly, one at a time. Dress the
pcb surface carefully and solder new parts, one leg at a time,
starting with a single leg to position the part properly.
Use thin tin-lead flux-cored solder and a tip size that matches
the job.
If you want to save the outgoing part, without hot air desoldering,
you can use a 2mill nickel-steel shim (removed from the old stick-
on security devices) fitted into an exacto knife handle to separate
desoldered pins one at a time, as the shim advances underneath each
spot-heated pin.
RL
wrote:
doesn't really matter - the focus should be on not damaging the
printed circuit hardware surfaces and tracking. Cut the legs off
the part and desolder them carefilly, one at a time. Dress the
pcb surface carefully and solder new parts, one leg at a time,
starting with a single leg to position the part properly.
Use thin tin-lead flux-cored solder and a tip size that matches
the job.
If you want to save the outgoing part, without hot air desoldering,
you can use a 2mill nickel-steel shim (removed from the old stick-
on security devices) fitted into an exacto knife handle to separate
desoldered pins one at a time, as the shim advances underneath each
spot-heated pin.
RL
John Robertson
Jan 30, 2022, 12:59:21 PM1/30/22
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handy when we don't want to dig out the SMD system for just one or two
chips/devices.
As for soldering in place there are some nice flux pastes out there with
powdered solder in them and you can use a regular soldering iron to
install the SMD part.
Otherwise, some flux helps, and I use a #7 pencil tip on my old Weller
station along with Kester 63/37 solder.
John :-#)#
Jeff Liebermann
Jan 30, 2022, 3:04:33 PM1/30/22
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station:
<https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_nkw=smd+hot+air+rework+station>
Something around $50 to $70. You'll need an assortment of nozzles,
tweezers, solder paste, liquid flux, acid brush, safety glasses,
aluminum foil heat shield, vacuum desoldering pump, and whatever else
I forgot. Practice removing and reinstalling parts on some junk
PCB's before you attack your project. Just about everything made
after 1990 will be RoHS solder (unleaded). It's difficult to
determine which, so just suck up the excess solder after you've
removed the components, and start over with fresh solder paste and
flux. The aluminum foil is needed to prevent melting or burning
adjacent components or hardware with the hot air. To prevent
sparaying solder all over the PCB, launching the component, or melting
nearby parts, keep the hot air flow as low as practical. There are
plenty of videos on YouTube demonstrating how to use a hot air
desoldering station.
Hopefullly your eBay 60 watt adjustable iron is temperature
controlled. If not, I suggest you get a proper temperature controlled
iron and assortment of tips. However, for SMD, I just use solder
paste and flux to resolder the replacement component. I use a
soldering iron only for physically large parts. The nice thing about
SMD and solder paste is that you can roughly locate the position of
the component. Once molten, surface tension will accurately position
the component in the center of the pads.
Good luck.
--
Jeff Liebermann je...@cruzio.com
PO Box 272 http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Ben Lomond CA 95005-0272
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558
Ralph Mowery
Jan 30, 2022, 4:15:33 PM1/30/22
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In article <pqqdvg9sb6vpo5i0b...@4ax.com>,
je...@cruzio.com says...
Very good. I use some kapton tape instead of the foil to keep the heat
away from other parts. Cover all the close parts and cut a hole where
you want to remove the part. Get some very fine solder of the tin/lead
type and one of the flux despensers that looks like the covid shot
needle. Flux is your friend. Some of the desoldering braid comes in
handy.
I have one of the hot air stations like you show and it works well for
the hobby.
One other thing that may be a deal breaker is a good stereo microscope.
ONe like this is about the best buy for the money. I most often use the
10x, but I am 72 years old and started the SMD work about 10 years ago.
https://www.amazon.com/AmScope-SE400-Z-Professional-Microscope-
Magnification/dp/B005C75IVM
The Amscope se400 for about $ 235.
Without the scope you can plan on spending around $ 100 to $ 150 for all
the things you should need.
je...@cruzio.com says...
away from other parts. Cover all the close parts and cut a hole where
you want to remove the part. Get some very fine solder of the tin/lead
type and one of the flux despensers that looks like the covid shot
needle. Flux is your friend. Some of the desoldering braid comes in
handy.
I have one of the hot air stations like you show and it works well for
the hobby.
One other thing that may be a deal breaker is a good stereo microscope.
ONe like this is about the best buy for the money. I most often use the
10x, but I am 72 years old and started the SMD work about 10 years ago.
https://www.amazon.com/AmScope-SE400-Z-Professional-Microscope-
Magnification/dp/B005C75IVM
The Amscope se400 for about $ 235.
Without the scope you can plan on spending around $ 100 to $ 150 for all
the things you should need.
Jeff Liebermann
Jan 30, 2022, 9:12:54 PM1/30/22
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On Sun, 30 Jan 2022 16:15:27 -0500, Ralph Mowery
<rmow...@charter.net> wrote:
>Very good.
Well, not so good. As usual, I proofread my stuff after I post it. I
should not have included a solder sucker. That's fine for old PCB
boards with fat (1oz) and wide (0.1") traces. However, today's SMD
PCB's use much less copper and narrower traces. Try to suck solder
from a modern board, and the vacuum will suck the copper trace along
with the solder. Best to leave the solder sucker out of the list.
>I use some kapton tape instead of the foil to keep the heat
>away from other parts. Cover all the close parts and cut a hole where
>you want to remove the part. Get some very fine solder of the tin/lead
>type and one of the flux despensers that looks like the covid shot
>needle. Flux is your friend.
Aluminum foil is cheaper, reflects the heat, bends around corners and
conforms easily to odd shaped areas and parts. I have rolls of the
really fine 0.021 lead/tin solder, but I never seem to use it. I've
settled on Kester 44 rosin core 63/37 in 0.050 and 0.062.
>Some of the desoldering braid comes in
>handy.
I haven't had much luck using braid for SMD PCB's. Too much danger of
overheating and destroying the pads. Braid is useful for connectors
and cleaning up the mess when I use too much solder.
>I have one of the hot air stations like you show and it works well for
>the hobby.
Old, but reliable:
<http://www.learnbydestroying.com/jeffl/crud/pace-desoldering-station.jpg>
I have two others (but no photos).
<https://www.ebay.com/itm/353259898775>
and one that was a prototype for a product that never was put in
production. When I closed my office in late 2020, I dragged most
everything home. I also emptied my Subaru, which was acting as a
service "truck". So, I now have two or three of everything.
>One other thing that may be a deal breaker is a good stereo microscope.
>ONe like this is about the best buy for the money. I most often use the
>10x, but I am 72 years old and started the SMD work about 10 years ago.
>
>https://www.amazon.com/AmScope-SE400-Z-Professional-Microscope-Magnification/dp/B005C75IVM
>
>The Amscope se400 for about $ 235.
>
>Without the scope you can plan on spending around $ 100 to $ 150 for all
>the things you should need.
I'm 74 years ancient. The hands are still steady but the eyesight is
becoming a problem.
Agreed. I have a small collection of assorted microscopes.
<http://www.learnbydestroying.com/jeffl/pics/microscopes/index.html>
For PCB work, I use an Olympus SZ30:
<http://www.learnbydestroying.com/jeffl/pics/microscopes/Olympus%20SZ30/index.html>
Also, you might need a stand. This one weighs about 40 lbs:
<http://www.learnbydestroying.com/jeffl/pics/microscopes/Olympus%20SZ30/index.html#SZ30-01.jpg>
Look for a microscope that has as much working distance (between the
objective lens and the work piece) as possible. Don't buy a
biological microscope. Biological microscopes have all the fancy
features that you don't need for electronics and all have a tiny
working distances. If you are going to do much soldering under the
microscope, plan on getting a fan to blow away the smoke or cleaning
(or ruining) a few objective lenses including the one's on the turret
that you're NOT using.
You'll also need a ring illuminator. Not having to deal with shadows
is the main benefit. I have one of these:
<https://www.ebay.com/itm/271435251906>
If I buy another one, I'll get one that emits more light or has more
LED's. I also suggest using the microscope mirror light to illuminate
the PCB from below, looking through the PCB. With luck, that will
show broken traces, shorts, solder blobs, cracks etc.
Using a CMOS USB camera to see what I'm doing on a big LCD screen, was
not as wonderful as I expected. It takes some practice to look at a
screen, while soldering under a microscope. I need more practice.
Still, if I were shopping for a microscope, I would get a trinocular.
Be sure get a 0.5x reduction lens with the CMOS camera or the field of
view will be about 1/2 of what's available. Similarly, if you find a
monocular microscope with insufficient working distance, you can
double the distance with a 0.5x Barlow lens.
<rmow...@charter.net> wrote:
>Very good.
Well, not so good. As usual, I proofread my stuff after I post it. I
should not have included a solder sucker. That's fine for old PCB
boards with fat (1oz) and wide (0.1") traces. However, today's SMD
PCB's use much less copper and narrower traces. Try to suck solder
from a modern board, and the vacuum will suck the copper trace along
with the solder. Best to leave the solder sucker out of the list.
>I use some kapton tape instead of the foil to keep the heat
>away from other parts. Cover all the close parts and cut a hole where
>you want to remove the part. Get some very fine solder of the tin/lead
>type and one of the flux despensers that looks like the covid shot
>needle. Flux is your friend.
conforms easily to odd shaped areas and parts. I have rolls of the
really fine 0.021 lead/tin solder, but I never seem to use it. I've
settled on Kester 44 rosin core 63/37 in 0.050 and 0.062.
>Some of the desoldering braid comes in
>handy.
overheating and destroying the pads. Braid is useful for connectors
and cleaning up the mess when I use too much solder.
>I have one of the hot air stations like you show and it works well for
>the hobby.
<http://www.learnbydestroying.com/jeffl/crud/pace-desoldering-station.jpg>
I have two others (but no photos).
<https://www.ebay.com/itm/353259898775>
and one that was a prototype for a product that never was put in
production. When I closed my office in late 2020, I dragged most
everything home. I also emptied my Subaru, which was acting as a
service "truck". So, I now have two or three of everything.
>One other thing that may be a deal breaker is a good stereo microscope.
>ONe like this is about the best buy for the money. I most often use the
>10x, but I am 72 years old and started the SMD work about 10 years ago.
>
>https://www.amazon.com/AmScope-SE400-Z-Professional-Microscope-Magnification/dp/B005C75IVM
>
>The Amscope se400 for about $ 235.
>
>Without the scope you can plan on spending around $ 100 to $ 150 for all
>the things you should need.
becoming a problem.
Agreed. I have a small collection of assorted microscopes.
<http://www.learnbydestroying.com/jeffl/pics/microscopes/index.html>
For PCB work, I use an Olympus SZ30:
<http://www.learnbydestroying.com/jeffl/pics/microscopes/Olympus%20SZ30/index.html>
Also, you might need a stand. This one weighs about 40 lbs:
<http://www.learnbydestroying.com/jeffl/pics/microscopes/Olympus%20SZ30/index.html#SZ30-01.jpg>
Look for a microscope that has as much working distance (between the
objective lens and the work piece) as possible. Don't buy a
biological microscope. Biological microscopes have all the fancy
features that you don't need for electronics and all have a tiny
working distances. If you are going to do much soldering under the
microscope, plan on getting a fan to blow away the smoke or cleaning
(or ruining) a few objective lenses including the one's on the turret
that you're NOT using.
You'll also need a ring illuminator. Not having to deal with shadows
is the main benefit. I have one of these:
<https://www.ebay.com/itm/271435251906>
If I buy another one, I'll get one that emits more light or has more
LED's. I also suggest using the microscope mirror light to illuminate
the PCB from below, looking through the PCB. With luck, that will
show broken traces, shorts, solder blobs, cracks etc.
Using a CMOS USB camera to see what I'm doing on a big LCD screen, was
not as wonderful as I expected. It takes some practice to look at a
screen, while soldering under a microscope. I need more practice.
Still, if I were shopping for a microscope, I would get a trinocular.
Be sure get a 0.5x reduction lens with the CMOS camera or the field of
view will be about 1/2 of what's available. Similarly, if you find a
monocular microscope with insufficient working distance, you can
double the distance with a 0.5x Barlow lens.
Stephen Wolstenholme
Jan 31, 2022, 9:34:12 AM1/31/22
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On Sun, 30 Jan 2022 18:12:46 -0800, Jeff Liebermann <je...@cruzio.com>
wrote:
>On Sun, 30 Jan 2022 16:15:27 -0500, Ralph Mowery
><rmow...@charter.net> wrote:
>
>>Very good.
>
>Well, not so good. As usual, I proofread my stuff after I post it. I
>should not have included a solder sucker. That's fine for old PCB
>boards with fat (1oz) and wide (0.1") traces. However, today's SMD
>PCB's use much less copper and narrower traces. Try to suck solder
>from a modern board, and the vacuum will suck the copper trace along
>with the solder. Best to leave the solder sucker out of the list.
>
I used a piece of wire insulation on the end of my ancient solder
sucker that resulted in a longer but much narrower sucker tip.
Steve
--
Neural Network Software for Windows http://www.npsnn.com
wrote:
>On Sun, 30 Jan 2022 16:15:27 -0500, Ralph Mowery
><rmow...@charter.net> wrote:
>
>>Very good.
>
>Well, not so good. As usual, I proofread my stuff after I post it. I
>should not have included a solder sucker. That's fine for old PCB
>boards with fat (1oz) and wide (0.1") traces. However, today's SMD
>PCB's use much less copper and narrower traces. Try to suck solder
>from a modern board, and the vacuum will suck the copper trace along
>with the solder. Best to leave the solder sucker out of the list.
>
sucker that resulted in a longer but much narrower sucker tip.
Steve
--
Neural Network Software for Windows http://www.npsnn.com
ohg...@gmail.com
Jan 31, 2022, 4:18:26 PM1/31/22
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The best thing to do is find a smashed flat TV on the side of the road and develop your skills on those boards. You'll find the green boards (multi layer) require more heat than the brown phenolic power supply board does. Again, preheat and liquid flux.
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