Yellow Glue strikes again
Phil Allison
** I had hoped that the dreaded Yellow Glue peril had gone away - but it is
still with us.
Most of you will have seen it holding parts down to PCBs on Asian made
equipment and many of those will have seen what happens if the parts
involved get hot.
The example on my bench is the SMPS from an Alesis powered monitor ( M1
Active, Chinese made) ) which has blown up big time because of the damn
Yellow Glue used to secure a ferrite toroidal coil. All the glue used had
gone brown or back ( ie carbonised ) on this coil and arced across nearby
tracks taking out the main switching MOSFET, its drive IC and associated
transistors, high speed diodes and even the AC bridge rectifier diodes.
The toroidal coil had to be un-wound, cleaned up and re-wound. The same glue
was attacking parts elsewhere on the board too ( it corrodes copper) and had
to be laboriously scraped off.
Are the dickheads who squirt this horrible goop all over PCBs NEVER going
to wake up ??
..... Phil
Jeff Liebermann
wrote:
>** I had hoped that the dreaded Yellow Glue peril had gone away - but it is
>still with us.
>
>Most of you will have seen it holding parts down to PCBs on Asian made
>equipment and many of those will have seen what happens if the parts
>involved get hot.
Is that hot melt glue or something else?
Hot melt should, umm... melt, not burn.
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# http://802.11junk.com je...@cruzio.com
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Phil Allison
"Jeff Liebermann"
>
> Is that hot melt glue or something else?
** So you do no repair work at all ?
.... Phil
Jeffrey Angus
> Is that hot melt glue or something else?
> Hot melt should, umm... melt, not burn.
No, this crap looks like 3M weather strip adhesive.
Sometimes it looks like it's applied sparingly, other times
it looks like it was put on with a caulking gun.
Jeff
--
"Everything from Crackers to Coffins"
Phil Allison
"Jeffrey Angus"
>
> No, this crap looks like 3M weather strip adhesive.
> Sometimes it looks like it's applied sparingly, other times
> it looks like it was put on with a caulking gun.
>
** I've always wanted to know just WFT it really is !!
At first impression, it looks like ordinary contact adhesive - but it is
quick setting and dries to a hard surface. With time and heat it become tan
coloured and brittle. Then it goes toast brown and becomes corrosive and
conductive.
If coating the pins of an op-amp, the leakage current causes DC offsets and
crackling noises.
If coating small diodes and resistors etc - it will slowly eat the leads
right off.
If coating PCB tracks with hundreds of volts between them, the conduction
heats the glue directly until there is an explosion.
IME , a local ambient temp of about 55C is enough to set it off on its
pathway to hell.
.... Phil
Jeff Liebermann
wrote:
>"Jeff Liebermann"
>>
>> Is that hot melt glue or something else?
>
>** So you do no repair work at all ?
Just answer the question. I've seen plenty of hot melt glue being
used. It comes in clear, yellow, and brown. I've never noticed
anything else. Maybe it's a pro-audio only thing? I don't do any
pro-audio as what little audio repair work I do usually doesn't
involve incinerated parts and carbonized yellow glue.
Jeffrey Angus
> ** I've always wanted to know just WFT it really is !!
It's probably related to that crap rubber they love to use
for drive belts and such that turns to extremely sticky goo
that's next to impossible to clean off of everything it
touches.
Phil Allison
"Jeff Liebermann"
>>
>>> Is that hot melt glue or something else?
>>
>>** So you do no repair work at all ?
>
> Just answer the question.
** You are not a repair tech, or you would have seen it many times.
Always Asian made gear, from about the 1980s onwards.
TV sets, VCRs, SMPSs anything where the maker felt it was a good idea to
glue things to the PCB.
Do a Google search on this NG under " yellow glue".
..... Phil
Jeff Liebermann
wrote:
>** I've always wanted to know just WFT it really is !!
This description seems to fit:
<http://www.alibaba.com/product-gs/482344777/One_component_solvent_resistant_flame_retardant.html>
"One component solvent resistant flame-retardant waterproof yellow
fixing adhesive glue for electronic components"
Note the photos. Is that it? I'll do some more Googling later. Gotta
seperate my customers from their money.
Jeff Liebermann
wrote:
>On Wed, 31 Aug 2011 11:50:53 +1000, "Phil Allison" <phi...@tpg.com.au>
>wrote:
>
>>** I've always wanted to know just WFT it really is !!
>
>This description seems to fit:
><http://www.alibaba.com/product-gs/482344777/One_component_solvent_resistant_flame_retardant.html>
>"One component solvent resistant flame-retardant waterproof yellow
>fixing adhesive glue for electronic components"
>
>Note the photos. Is that it? I'll do some more Googling later. Gotta
>seperate my customers from their money.
More:
<http://www.aliexpress.com/store/906248/210638773-439369255/accept-sample-order-wholesale-flame-retardant-yellow-adhesive-free-shipping-for-you.html>
The page says it's an "acrylic".
Jeffrey Angus
> "One component solvent resistant flame-retardant waterproof yellow
> fixing adhesive glue for electronic components"
Odd, I read this: "Usage: Construction, Fiber & Garment, Footwear "
Jeff, but yeah, that sure looks like it.
Some of the stuff looks almost porous.
Phil Allison
"Jeff Liebermann"
>
>>** I've always wanted to know just WFT it really is !!
>
> This description seems to fit:
>
> <http://www.alibaba.com/product-gs/482344777/One_component_solvent_resistant_flame_retardant.html>
>
> "One component solvent resistant flame-retardant waterproof yellow
> fixing adhesive glue for electronic components"
>
> Note the photos. Is that it?
** Sure as heck looks like the vile stuff.
But the stuff has been in use for decades, firstly with Taiwanese made gear.
The specs quoted do not mention aging or the effects of temperature - so the
marketing is dishonest.
BTW:
the pics show the glue in its liquid state, when dry the surface is quite
dull.
To me, the pics are cringe worthy.
Like looking at pics of child abuse.
.... Phil
Jeff Liebermann
wrote:
>On 8/30/2011 8:56 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
>> "One component solvent resistant flame-retardant waterproof yellow
>> fixing adhesive glue for electronic components"
>
>Odd, I read this: "Usage: Construction, Fiber & Garment, Footwear "
Sure. Haven't you seen PCB shoes and underwear?
<http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/discoblog/2010/04/07/circuit-board-chic-motherboards-recycled-into-shoes-and-boxers/>
<http://boingboing.net/2010/04/06/circuit-board-shoes.html>
<http://www.zazzle.com/circuit_board_shoes-167287736986690214>
<http://www.xactstudios.com/pcbcreations/>
<http://www.zazzle.com/computer_circuit_board_shoes-167535214684590497>
<https://plus.google.com/103033413691031223989/posts/Kq6qgFDULaj>
>Jeff, but yeah, that sure looks like it.
>Some of the stuff looks almost porous.
Agressive hardener action causing gas bubbles. It's acrylic, but I'm
not familiar with the chemistry. I'll dig it out, later...
Gareth Magennis
"Phil Allison" <phi...@tpg.com.au> wrote in message
news:9c5fb1...@mid.individual.net...
I had an M1 with exactly the same problem. Conductive gak all over the
place, very messy, but fortunately didn't blow anything up.
Gareth.
N_Cook
news:835r57pbgh3vv5jcj...@4ax.com...
That "Japanese" brown gloop made a comeback also, from my trepair briefs
Sherwood RD6106 tuner amp, may 2000 from front panel moulding
I though that hygroscopic brown glue stuff went out in the 70s. Used to
secure 12.288M crystal for the digital interface processor YSS912C-F , was
around its
pin and had rusted through at the epoxy bond.
N_Cook
destruction that it becomes hygroscopic going from yellow to brown and so
becomes conductive for CMOSSy sort of stuff but if HV around then conducts
enough to then carbonise and become ever more conductive?
Cydrome Leader
that stuff is pure shit.
chuck
wrote:
>
The rumor among techs in the U.S. when this stuff first showed up was
it was originally manufactured by Sony and it was known as "Sony
glue". Don't know if there was any truth to this or not. As Phil
said, it was in widespread use, for example: Mitsubishi televisions,
Adcom preamps and tuners, Yamaha receivers, Extron products and many
others which I can't recall off the top of my head. Chuck
Gareth Magennis
"N_Cook" <div...@tcp.co.uk> wrote in message
news:j3kvss$l47$1...@dont-email.me...
The brown brittle stuff I scraped off the M1 PCB was around the low voltage
audio pre-amp and Power Amp IC.
It was conductive enough to render the circuit useless, no HV necessary.
Gareth.
Jim Yanik
news:Ixl7q.182412$2I6.1...@newsfe27.ams2:
>
>
> "Phil Allison" <phi...@tpg.com.au> wrote in message
> news:9c5fb1...@mid.individual.net...
>>
>> ** I had hoped that the dreaded Yellow Glue peril had gone away - but
>> it is still with us.
>>
>> Most of you will have seen it holding parts down to PCBs on Asian
>> made equipment and many of those will have seen what happens if the
>> parts involved get hot.
>>
>> The example on my bench is the SMPS from an Alesis powered monitor (
>> M1 Active, Chinese made) ) which has blown up big time because of the
>> damn Yellow Glue used to secure a ferrite toroidal coil. All the
>> glue used had gone brown or back ( ie carbonised ) on this coil and
>> arced across nearby tracks taking out the main switching MOSFET, its
>> drive IC and associated transistors, high speed diodes and even the
>> AC bridge rectifier diodes.
>>
>> The toroidal coil had to be un-wound, cleaned up and re-wound. The
>> same glue was attacking parts elsewhere on the board too ( it
>> corrodes copper) and had to be laboriously scraped off.
>>
>> Are the dickheads who squirt this horrible goop all over PCBs NEVER
>> going to wake up ??
>>
>>
>>
>> ..... Phil
>>
the manufacturers probably don't get the products back(due to their age)
for failure analysis,and thus are unaware it happens.
No "closed-loop action process".
OR,it's planned "obsolesence".
or both. ;-)
>>
>>
>
>
> I had an M1 with exactly the same problem. Conductive gak all over
> the place, very messy, but fortunately didn't blow anything up.
>
>
>
> Gareth.
>
>
--
Jim Yanik
jyanik
at
localnet
dot com
Trevor Wilson
> On Wed, 31 Aug 2011 10:59:58 +1000, "Phil Allison" <phi...@tpg.com.au>
> wrote:
>
>> ** I had hoped that the dreaded Yellow Glue peril had gone away -
>> but it is still with us.
>>
>> Most of you will have seen it holding parts down to PCBs on Asian
>> made equipment and many of those will have seen what happens if the
>> parts involved get hot.
>
> Is that hot melt glue or something else?
> Hot melt should, umm... melt, not burn.
**No. It is a type of contact adhesive. It is still in widespread use, for
reasons I don't understand. Some, more enlightened manufacturers, use a
silicon type glue, which has a much higher burning temperature.
--
Trevor Wilson
www.rageaudio.com.au
Andrew Rossmann
> Are the dickheads who squirt this horrible goop all over PCBs NEVER
going
> to wake up ??
As long as it lasts through the warranty, they don't care.
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Meat Plow
Yup been there in the past 30 some years. Lots of Chinese VCR SMPS. I
reckon that crap is a moisture trap that eventually leads to the demise
of chokes, coils etc..
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Alien
<news:4vj1gf....@news.alt.net>:
Aw, geez.
<smacks forehead>
It's not a 'moisture trap', you freaking retarded dildo muncher.
The glue gets carbonized due to excessive heat in the electrical
components, which makes the glue more conductive and more corrosive
(ie: it chemically changes the glue).
This causes havoc due to shorts (because it's conductive) and open
circuits (because it corrodes away circuit traces and component
leads).
Gawd but yer stupid.
'moisture trap'! Bwahahahaha!!!
> --
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Fixed yer .sig., stupid.
Yer welcome.
'moisture trap' <snigger>
The only 'moisture trap' is yer ass, and the only 'moisture' it
'traps' is the spooge of a thousand gay bikers, you old fat ugly
retard.
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WHO IS 'MEAT PLOW' from Alt.Usenet.Kooks (AUK)?
The obese, abusive, ugly, snaggle-toothed, giant-headed, stalking, gay
'bear' biker retard who likes to surf gay porn sites as 'BlancoBear'
while wearing only assless chaps:
William Malone Griffith, Jr.
(aka Milt, Meat Plow, BlancoBear, Me...@petitmorte.net, Tripp)
308 10th Street NE
North Canton, OH 44720-2023
Some of this sick fuck's best work, and comments from others about
him:
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.buzzard.rules/msg/f630759d6303a19d
Message-ID: <SFexc.17128428$Of.28...@news.easynews.com>
Meat Plow on a stalking holiday excursion, 15 to 22 Aug 2011:
--------------------
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.usenet.kooks/msg/03314ab006d88a5f
Message-ID: <4thf24....@news.alt.net>
Date 06 Aug 2011
Title: Guess who is going to be in West Palm Beach?
"ME! Got a couple friends who invited me down for a few days. Shit
that's only 60 miles south of Melbourne LMAO!"
Nevermind that West Palm Beach, FL is 110 miles (not 60 miles) from
Melbourne, FL.
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.usenet.kooks/msg/c1438fbeda11457f
Message-ID: <4thnmr....@news.alt.net>
Date 06 Aug 2011
Title: Guess who is going to be in West Palm Beach?
"Got my itinerary set on Expidia. Will be at PBI on August the 15th
at 11:30 am. Got a nice 2011 Jeep Grand Cherokee reserved. I'm hoping
to make it up to Melbourne (Albatross hit my email) before the 20th
when I have to return."
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.usenet.kooks/msg/43855b424693fa60
Message-ID:
<349880291335311102.31...@news.altopia.com>
Date 17 Aug 2011
Title: MEAT-PLOW LIED AGAIN! (and gets smacked down YET AGAIN!)
"I have several videos and pictures of him riding and what I'm sure
pie the location of his tent."
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.usenet.kooks/msg/19e83b3eb6233fe2
Message-ID: <4uovsb....@news.alt.net>
Date 21 Aug 2011
Title: Emmy takes the day off.
"Well I leave tomorrow at around 7:am. Got some nice video and still
pix of the little shitty pants. There will be another Youtube video
soon"
Hmmm... only one and a half days 'visiting friends in West Palm Beach'
(if he was ever there to begin with), and the rest of his time in
Florida spent real-life stalking. He even extended his stay by two
days, so he could get in more stalking.
--------------------
Evidence that Meat Plow is William Malone Griffith, II:
--------------------
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.usenet.kooks/msg/5650f8e1e7dedefa
Message-ID: <fc5167ee7ad8e6f6...@rip.ax.lt>
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.electronics.repair/msg/e52ffbb346f5b764
Message-ID: <ac995ab01f76a177...@rip.ax.lt>
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.usenet.kooks/msg/a94a2a11df601e39
Message-ID: <f6ccd46e74bff6e9...@rip.ax.lt>
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.electronics.repair/msg/ef80aad2e7db945d
Message-ID: <2abe74de52d65b60...@rip.ax.lt>
--------------------
Meat Plow personal info:
--------------------
Birthdate: Oct 3, 1955
Amateur Radio callsign N8NCX
Technician Plus
(2 meter, 6 meter)
--------------------
--------------------
Photo of MeatPlow in Belden Village Music store (his sister's music
store):
(Note the guitars in the background, the planet-sized head,
the rotten-Chiclet teeth, and general look of retardation)
http://www.productwiki.com/william-malone-griffith-ii/lists/
http://images.productwiki.com/upload/images/william_malone_griffith_ii_avatar_1_0-150-150.jpg
Photo of William Malone Griffith, Jr. from uffnet.com:
(Note that it's the same person as in the photo above)
http://www.uffnet.com/library/headlines/images/news1376621745xlb.jpg
He's got his father's nose and eyes:
http://www.legacy.com/guestbook/kentucky/guestbook.aspx?pid=2527782
http://mi-cache.legacy.com/usercontent/guestbook/photos/2005-09/6966764.jpg
--------------------
Meat Plow email addresses:
--------------------
http://web.archive.org/web/20010305113423/http://www.k1hk.org/ugb_archive3.html
"Bill N8NCX wgri...@neo.rr.com"
wgriffit at neo.rr.com (neo = North East Ohio)
mhywattt at yahoo.com
mhywatt at yahoo.com
--------------------
Meat Plow's brushes with the law:
--------------------
1}
http://www.starkcountycjis.org/crim/crim_display_docket_main?pass_case_no=11543&pass_case_type=VBD&pass_case_year=2002&pass_first_name=William&pass_last_name=Griffith
2}
http://www.starkcountycjis.org/civil/civil_display_docket_main?case_year_no=2009-3533&litigant_txt=Griffith
--------------------
Meat Plow quotes:
--------------------
Meat Plow, explaining that his computer has no Master Boot Record
because he runs Mandriva 2010, not Windows:
Message-ID: <4v39g0....@news.alt.net>
"Wouldn't know, it's been months since I've booted a Windoze OS."
Meat Plow describes his high-powered legal team:
Message-ID: <pan.2011.05...@emutt.macspoofer.lmao>
"You know i have a legal team who specializes in internet law. And I
won't hesitate to get them in on the action."
Meat Plow losing his connection to reality, insinuating that he's law
enforcement:
Message-ID: <pan.2011.07...@emutt.macspoofer.lmao>
"I could be LE posing as Meat Plow. It can't be dis-proven."
Meat Plow visits a massage parlor for a Happy Ending massage.
But they refused to give him a Happy Ending his second time there.
That explains why he's gay, he's so repulsive that he can't even PAY
for HAND JOBS from women.
http://www.clreviews.com/forums/showpost.php?p=11679
"One time I got a HE, and the 2nd time I didn't. I was asked if I was
there both times and said I was. That's is why I didn't know if I said
something wrong the 2nd time which made me not get a HE."
Well, at least we know what he does with his weekends.
--------------------
Oh, William, what would yer family say if they learned yer secrets?
Mother:
----------------------------.
Catherine & Angelo Griffith
4760 Echovalley St. NW
North Canton, OH 44720-7504
330-494-5785
'----------------------------'
Daughter:
----------------------------.
Julia M. Griffith
308 10th Street NE
North Canton, OH 44720-2023
'----------------------------'
Sister:
----------------------------------------.
Pamela L. & Roger R. Werling
{ son Todd E. Werling (Ft. Wayne, IN) }
{ son Chris (Kennesaw, GA) }
{ son Keith (Ft. Wayne, IN) }
{ grandson Easton }
{ grandson Zakary }
{ granddaughter Camella }
7704 Bisque Court
Fort Wayne, IN 46825-3501
260-489-6086
'----------------------------------------'
Sister:
----------------------------------------------.
Cheryl J. & Jason 'Sparky' Humberto E. Rivera
{ daughter Christina }
{ daughter Rosalio (North Canton, OH) }
{ daughter Maria (North Canton, OH) }
{ son Len Gray (Ft. Worth, TX) }
5225 Echo Valley St. NW
North Canton, OH 44720-9702
----------------------------------------------
Belden Village Music Store
6787 Wales Ave NW
North Canton, OH 44720
beldenvillagemusic.com
330-497-9292
----------------------------------------------
Rosalio B & Maria I Rivera
444 Wales Rd. NE
Massillon, OH 44646-5875
330-833-4291
----------------------------------------------
PO Box 35093
Canton, OH 44735
'----------------------------------------------'
Sister:
---------------------------------------.
Carol L. & Ric A. Campbell
{ son Richard }
{ son Christopher (North Canton, OH) }
{ son Brandon († 30 May 1996) }
{ daughter Erin }
6794 William Tell Ave NW
North Canton, OH 44720-6546
330-497-7980
330-499-5107
---------------------------------------
PO Box 36473
Canton, OH 44735
'---------------------------------------'
Sister:
----------------------------------.
Christine H. & Shelton M. Vick
{ son Matthew }
3915 Harvard Ave NW
Canton, OH 44709-1538
330-493-5645
----------------------------------
Re/Max Edge Realty
North Canton / Massillon / Canton
Realtor Christine H. Vick
6929 Portage St. NW
North Canton, OH 44720-6535
330-236-5100
888-830-6509 (fax)
330-904-0883 (cell)
www.MyOhioHomeFinder.com
MyOhioHo...@gmail.com
'----------------------------------'
Sister:
----------------------------.
Angela C. & Mark Warshefski
11 SE 12th St.
Pompano Beach, FL 33060
954-785-4716
----------------------------
4760 Echovalley St. NW
North Canton, OH 44720-7504
330-942-0584
'----------------------------'
Cousin:
-------------------------.
Eddy Dailey
Bergholz Super Mart
861 Washington St.
Bergholz, OH 43908
740-768-1018
-------------------------
Bergholz Financial Corp.
dba SuperMart
PO Box 545
524 Garfield St.
Bergholz, OH 43908
'-------------------------'
Cousin:
--------------------.
Donna L. Dailey
524 5th St.
Bergholz, OH 43908
740-768-2416
--------------------
Bergholz Super Mart
861 Washington St.
Bergholz, OH 43908
740-768-1018
--------------------
Bergholz, OH EMT
'--------------------'
Cousin:
-------------------.
Bill & Joyce Leas
{ son Billy }
243 2nd St.
Bergholz, OH 43908
'-------------------'
Niece:
---------------------------.
Rachel & Adam T. Livengood
{ son Lukas }
{ daughter Lauren }
6342 Palmer Dr. NW
Canton, OH 44718
330-497-7754
'---------------------------'
Izzatchoo, or yer dead daddy?
--------------------------------.
William M. Griffith
between 3rd and 4th St.
between Monroe and Lincoln Ave.
Bergholz, OH 43908
740-768-2539
'--------------------------------'
What would yer landlord for 308 10th St. NE,
North Canton, OH say if they learned yer secrets?
----------------------------.
David S. and Joan R. Shaner
2095 Waterbury Dr.
Uniontown OH 44312
330-699-4042
'----------------------------'
What would the employees at yer family's
business say if they learned yer secrets?
-----------------------------------------.
Ohio Kentucky Oil Corporation
aka Ohio Oil & Gas Exploration (defunct)
aka Ohio Kentucky Coal Company (defunct)
5112 Portage St. NW
Canton, OH 44720-6856
(330) 494-8810
(330) 497-7980
-----------------------------------------
110 E. Lowry Lane
Lexington, KY 40503
(800) BUY 4 OIL
(800) 289-4645
(859) 223-5656
(859) 223-5946
(859) 276-0699 (fax)
(859) 276-3500
(859) 276-4080
-----------------------------------------
http://www.ohiokentuckyoil.com
oils...@insightbb.com
ad...@ohiokentuckyoil.net
'-----------------------------------------'
----------
Oh, but wait, Ohio Oil & Gas Exploration is no longer incorporated in
Ohio:
Daddy Griffith's petrol exploration company (defunct):
http://www2.sos.state.oh.us/pls/bsqry/f?p=100:7:3376481605987832::NO:7:P7_CHARTER_NUM:384125
Nor are any of the other businesses yer daddy started. You let them
all fail:
Daddy Griffith's stables (defunct):
http://www2.sos.state.oh.us/pls/bsqry/f?p=100:7:3376481605987832::NO:7:P7_CHARTER_NUM:377966
Daddy Griffith's motel business (defunct):
http://www2.sos.state.oh.us/pls/bsqry/f?p=100:7:3376481605987832::NO:7:P7_CHARTER_NUM:377965
Daddy Griffith's drilling company (defunct):
http://www2.sos.state.oh.us/pls/bsqry/f?p=100:7:3376481605987832::NO:7:P7_CHARTER_NUM:347837
Daddy Griffith's metals business (defunct):
http://www2.sos.state.oh.us/pls/bsqry/f?p=100:7:3376481605987832::NO:7:P7_CHARTER_NUM:552193
And Ohio Kentucky Oil Corporation is on its last legs, inundated with
securities fraud lawsuits and EPA lawsuits. It's barred from
soliciting investors in Tennessee due to securities fraud, it's under
investigation in Ohio and Kentucky, it owns no oil assets or wells,
and it no longer does any of its own drilling. It'll be gone soon,
too.
And you've squandered everything Daddy Griffith earned from his
businesses, so yer now poor, adding insult to injury.
----------
You being poor is why you issued the following. You knew you didn't
have ten thousand dollars or so to defend yerself against yet another
lawsuit:
William Malone Griffith, II's grovelfest of an apology for being a
fucktard stauker:
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http://groups.google.com/group/alt.usenet.kooks/browse_thread/thread/8d753c94bd612f4e
http://www.freak-search.com/en/thread/3859383/meat_plow_exposed
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.usenet.kooks/msg/c9fccf0d1ab26ace
Message-ID: <3n4c2e....@news.alt.net>
Title: Apology to Charles Novins
The witnesses to this abject, groveling apology:
Angela Griffith = Angela C. Griffith-Warshefski, William Malone
Griffith, Jr.'s sister
Catherine Griffith = William Malone Griffith, Jr.'s mother
Julia M. Griffith = William Malone Griffith, Jr.'s daughter
Cheri Griffith = Cheryl J. Griffith-Rivera, William Malone Griffith,
Jr.'s sister
Justin M. Griffith = ?
Kristy Griffith = Christine H. Griffith-Vick, William Malone Griffith,
Jr.'s sister
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Questions yet to be answered:
Who is Justin M. Griffith?
Angela C. Griffith-Warshefski came all the way from Pompano Beach,
Florida to witness and sign MeatPlow's apology letter?
Or did William Malone Griffith, Jr. forge the witness signatures,
which would indicate some level of insincerity in the apology?
If William Malone Griffith, Jr. did indeed forge the witness
signatures, is his family cognizant of him using them in this way?
Who is Deborah Ann Griffith?
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Who is Sherri Renee Christie, William D. Christie (age 54) and Lillie
L. Christie, and how are they associated with William Malone Griffith,
II?
1345 Bison St. NW
Massillon, OH 44647
330-833-5313 (Sherri)
330-837-4967 (William)
2524 Meadows Ave NW
Apt. 4
Massillon, OH 44647
PO Box 36221
Canton, OH 44735
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It's time for a digital enema to flush this turd named William Malone
Griffith, II out of the system.
The exit is -.
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thataway
Phil Allison
"Alien"
> It's not a 'moisture trap',
>
> The glue gets carbonized due to excessive heat in the electrical
> components, which makes the glue more conductive and more corrosive
> (ie: it chemically changes the glue).
>
> This causes havoc due to shorts (because it's conductive) and open
> circuits (because it corrodes away circuit traces and component
> leads).
** Correct.
The worst problems are always with gear that runs 24/7.
No chance for moisture ingress there.
.... Phil
N_Cook
30 years breaks down to an oil, either itself corrosive or hygroscopic and
then corrosive
Meat Plow
Just because gear runs 24/7 does not exempt the possibility of moisture
intrusion. Ask a marine electronics tech and get back to me. Bar that,
operating electronics in high humidity 24/7 holds no guarantee that it is
not exempt to moisture. Read the fucking manual for the operating
extremes if you doubt me.
Phil Allison
"Meat Plow = Cunt Head "
Phil Allison wrote:
>> "Alien"
>>
>>> It's not a 'moisture trap',
>>>
>>> The glue gets carbonized due to excessive heat in the electrical
>>> components, which makes the glue more conductive and more corrosive
>>> (ie: it chemically changes the glue).
>>>
>>> This causes havoc due to shorts (because it's conductive) and open
>>> circuits (because it corrodes away circuit traces and component leads).
>>
>> ** Correct.
>>
>> The worst problems are always with gear that runs 24/7.
>>
>> No chance for moisture ingress there.
>
> Just because gear runs 24/7 does not exempt the possibility of moisture
> intrusion.
** It does when the yellow glue areas are all permanently hot.
Try following the thread - fuckwit.
.... Phil
Meat Plow
Try not snipping the thread, fuckwit. :)
Anonymous Remailer (austria)
Wow, yer Emmett Gulley stupid today, hey.
Did I tell you yer my Emmett, and soon you'll be everyone's Emmett?
It's happening.
So, now yer changing the terms of the argument to suit you... so yer
saying the glue is a 'moisture trap' in a marine environment or in
high humidity? Yeah, I guess next you'll argue that if the glue's
under water, it's a 'moisture trap'. Heh.
Do you even know what the term 'carbonization' means, you slack-jawed
halfwit?
> --
> Live Fat Die Broke, Leave A Pustulent Corpse
Fixed yer .sig, stupid.
Yer welcome.
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http://www.starkcountycjis.org/civil/civil_display_docket_main?case_year_no=2009-3533&litigant_txt=Griffith
--------------------
Mother:
..----------------------------.
Catherine & Angelo Griffith
4760 Echovalley St. NW
North Canton, OH 44720-7504
330-494-5785
'----------------------------'
Daughter:
..----------------------------.
Julia M. Griffith
308 10th Street NE
North Canton, OH 44720-2023
'----------------------------'
Sister:
..----------------------------------------.
Pamela L. & Roger R. Werling
{ son Todd E. Werling (Ft. Wayne, IN) }
{ son Chris (Kennesaw, GA) }
{ son Keith (Ft. Wayne, IN) }
{ grandson Easton }
{ grandson Zakary }
{ granddaughter Camella }
7704 Bisque Court
Fort Wayne, IN 46825-3501
260-489-6086
'----------------------------------------'
Sister:
..----------------------------------------------.
Cheryl J. & Jason 'Sparky' Humberto E. Rivera
{ daughter Christina }
{ daughter Rosalio (North Canton, OH) }
{ daughter Maria (North Canton, OH) }
{ son Len Gray (Ft. Worth, TX) }
5225 Echo Valley St. NW
North Canton, OH 44720-9702
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Belden Village Music Store
6787 Wales Ave NW
North Canton, OH 44720
beldenvillagemusic.com
330-497-9292
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Rosalio B & Maria I Rivera
444 Wales Rd. NE
Massillon, OH 44646-5875
330-833-4291
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PO Box 35093
Canton, OH 44735
'----------------------------------------------'
Sister:
..---------------------------------------.
Carol L. & Ric A. Campbell
{ son Richard }
{ son Christopher (North Canton, OH) }
{ son Brandon († 30 May 1996) }
{ daughter Erin }
6794 William Tell Ave NW
North Canton, OH 44720-6546
330-497-7980
330-499-5107
---------------------------------------
PO Box 36473
Canton, OH 44735
'---------------------------------------'
Sister:
..----------------------------------.
Christine H. & Shelton M. Vick
{ son Matthew }
3915 Harvard Ave NW
Canton, OH 44709-1538
330-493-5645
----------------------------------
Re/Max Edge Realty
North Canton / Massillon / Canton
Realtor Christine H. Vick
6929 Portage St. NW
North Canton, OH 44720-6535
330-236-5100
888-830-6509 (fax)
330-904-0883 (cell)
www.MyOhioHomeFinder.com
MyOhioHo...@gmail.com
'----------------------------------'
Sister:
..----------------------------.
Angela C. & Mark Warshefski
11 SE 12th St.
Pompano Beach, FL 33060
954-785-4716
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4760 Echovalley St. NW
North Canton, OH 44720-7504
330-942-0584
'----------------------------'
Cousin:
..-------------------------.
Eddy Dailey
Bergholz Super Mart
861 Washington St.
Bergholz, OH 43908
740-768-1018
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Bergholz Financial Corp.
dba SuperMart
PO Box 545
524 Garfield St.
Bergholz, OH 43908
'-------------------------'
Cousin:
..--------------------.
Donna L. Dailey
524 5th St.
Bergholz, OH 43908
740-768-2416
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Bergholz Super Mart
861 Washington St.
Bergholz, OH 43908
740-768-1018
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Bergholz, OH EMT
'--------------------'
Cousin:
..-------------------.
Bill & Joyce Leas
{ son Billy }
243 2nd St.
Bergholz, OH 43908
'-------------------'
Niece:
..---------------------------.
Rachel & Adam T. Livengood
{ son Lukas }
{ daughter Lauren }
6342 Palmer Dr. NW
Canton, OH 44718
330-497-7754
'---------------------------'
Izzatchoo, or yer dead daddy?
..--------------------------------.
William M. Griffith
between 3rd and 4th St.
between Monroe and Lincoln Ave.
Bergholz, OH 43908
740-768-2539
'--------------------------------'
What would yer landlord for 308 10th St. NE,
North Canton, OH say if they learned yer secrets?
..----------------------------.
David S. and Joan R. Shaner
2095 Waterbury Dr.
Uniontown OH 44312
330-699-4042
'----------------------------'
What would the employees at yer family's
business say if they learned yer secrets?
..-----------------------------------------.
.
dewar
> ** I had hoped that the dreaded Yellow Glue peril had gone away - but it is
> still with us.
>
> Most of you will have seen it holding parts down to PCBs on Asian made
> equipment and many of those will have seen what happens if the parts
> involved get hot.
>
> The example on my bench is the SMPS from an Alesis powered monitor ( M1
> Active, Chinese made) ) which has blown up big time because of the damn
> Yellow Glue used to secure a ferrite toroidal coil. All the glue used had
> gone brown or back ( ie carbonised ) on this coil and arced across nearby
> tracks taking out the main switching MOSFET, its drive IC and associated
> transistors, high speed diodes and even the AC bridge rectifier diodes.
>
> The toroidal coil had to be un-wound, cleaned up and re-wound. The same glue
> was attacking parts elsewhere on the board too ( it corrodes copper) and had
> to be laboriously scraped off.
>
> Are the dickheads who squirt this horrible goop all over PCBs NEVER going
> to wake up ??
>
> ..... Phil
Sony had a problem with this glue on broadcast video recorders years
ago. Their tech bulletin blamed "CHLOROPRENE GLUE". One current mfr
data sheet shows a reduction in resistance from 10^13 to 10^8 after
500 hours at 100C. Unfortunately, the resistance just keeps dropping
after that.
N_Cook
news:1aed88b7-5cca-4b7e...@f41g2000yqh.googlegroups.com...
+++++
Presumably equivalent degrading in something like 1000 hours at 80 degrees
or 2000 at 60 degrees etc
Would you have a URL for that , I can only find flattering product info out
there
N_Cook
http://www.sonycid.jp/en/products/mc4/sc121.html
5-2.Stability of insulation resistance
Test Piece condition
* [Comb-shaped electrode JIS Z3197]
* [Conductor space 1.27mm]
* [Measured after charging with 500 V for 1 min]
Results
Initially 1.0 x 1013
1.0 x 1011 after 100°C 250 hrs
1.0 x 108 after 500 hrs
2.0 x 1012 after 40°C 90% 96 hrs
4.0 x 1011 after 250 hrs
3.0 x 1011 after 500 hrs
But nothing flagged-up about further degradation, a later page?
N_Cook
I'd like to see the tabulated accelerated aging effect after 500 hours at
both 80 and 60 degree C and 90 percent RH
Lund-Nielsen, Jorgen
Elytics also do a further degeneration of that glue.
Seen some discoloring and very low impedance in the goop around some
Elytics even in cases where the temp was not high...
Jorgen
dj0du
Jim Yanik
news:j4ctp7$tc1$1...@it-news01.desy.de:
I don't think so.
maybe it enhances the glue's degradation after the cap begins to
fail,making the problem worse,leading to charring of the PCB.
spamtrap1888
> "Jeff Liebermann"
>
>
>
> >>> Is that hot melt glue or something else?
>
>
> > Just answer the question.
>
> ** You are not a repair tech, or you would have seen it many times.
>
> Always Asian made gear, from about the 1980s onwards.
>
> TV sets, VCRs, SMPSs anything where the maker felt it was a good idea to
> glue things to the PCB.
>
> Do a Google search on this NG under " yellow glue".
>
At the hourly rates Americans charge it's cheaper to replace that
stuff than to have it repaired.
Phil Allison
"spamtrap1888"
At the hourly rates Americans charge it's cheaper to replace that
stuff than to have it repaired.
** Bullshit.
Jeffrey Angus
from Wal-Mart?
Jeff
--
"Everything from Crackers to Coffins"
Phil Allison
"Jeffrey Angus"
Phil Allison wrote:
>> "spamtrap1888"
>>
>> At the hourly rates Americans charge it's cheaper to replace that
>> stuff than to have it repaired.
>>
>> ** Bullshit.
>
> Perhaps, but where's the break even point on a $19.95 DVD player
> from Wal-Mart?
** The latest example seen of yellow glue damage is with a dB Tech line
array box worth $4000 to replace.
Picking examples to suit your prejudices is fuckwit logic.
.... Phil
Michael A. Terrell
worth, there would still be plenty of repair shops in the United States.
--
You can't have a sense of humor, if you have no sense.
Jeff Liebermann
wrote:
>Perhaps, but where's the break even point on a $19.95 DVD player
>from Wal-Mart?
the break point (or point where it breaks) is 91 days.
However, the original point is generally correct. It is often cheaper
to replace than to repair. About 20 years ago, my rule of thumb was
that customers are willing to pay 10-25% of the purchase price on
repairs before they buy a new device. With $600 computers being the
commodity price, I can charge between $60 and $150 for a repair before
they begin to complain. At $75/hr, I can't even open the box and look
inside for $60, but $150 might work for simple (software) repairs that
I don't have to warranty. If new PC's were $3,000, I could make
money, but not at commodity prices. This is not the road to riches.
Phil's $4000 whatever device is well worth repairing. However, if the
replacement costs $19.95, forget about repairing.
I recently sent a laptop to China for motherboard repair. Unlike US
repair shops, I did NOT have to remove the motherboard. Cost me $40
in shipping both ways, and $80 for parts and labor. Total time was
about a month. I charged the customer $200. This should offer a clue
where we're heading.
--
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150 Felker St #D http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Santa Cruz CA 95060 http://802.11junk.com
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558
spamtrap1888
> Phil's $4000 whatever device is well worth repairing. However, if the
> replacement costs $19.95, forget about repairing.
>
> I recently sent a laptop to China for motherboard repair. Unlike US
> repair shops, I did NOT have to remove the motherboard. Cost me $40
> in shipping both ways, and $80 for parts and labor. Total time was
> about a month. I charged the customer $200. This should offer a clue
> where we're heading.
>
A parallel example: A foreclosed-upon neighbor left a small amount of
debris not worth taking. One item was a small wheelbarrow. It looked
good except the tray seemed warped, and the tire needed air.
Try as I might, I could get the tubeless tire to seal to the rim. I
ran across more problems, and found out the total cost to repair.
Inner tube solution for non-sealing tire: $9.99. (New wheel solution:
$25.99)
Rusted axle (Nylon bearing wheel): 10 inches of 5/8 in CRS@ $8.50/36
inches.
Tray problem was caused by one handle being severely warped; the other
was fine. Replacement handle: $15.
Cost to make "free" wheelbarrow useable:
$34
Cost of identical wheelbarrow, brand-new: $36.
Phil Allison
Jeff Liebermann" <je...@cruzio.com>
> However, the original point is generally correct.
** But out totally out of context and irrelevant.
> Phil's $4000 whatever device is well worth repairing.
** Many much cheaper items are also worth repairing for yellow glue damage
and so is any SMPS that cannot easily and cheaply be replaced.
Both examples I gave involved powered speakers which are almost invariably
part of a pair - lose one a couple of years after purchase and you need to
replace both cos of model change overs.
..... Phil
Jeff Liebermann
<spamtr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>A parallel example: A foreclosed-upon neighbor left a small amount of
>debris not worth taking. One item was a small wheelbarrow. It looked
>good except the tray seemed warped, and the tire needed air.
>
>Try as I might, I could get the tubeless tire to seal to the rim. I
>ran across more problems, and found out the total cost to repair.
>
>Inner tube solution for non-sealing tire: $9.99. (New wheel solution:
>$25.99)
Common problem. Remove tire. Clean the hell out of the bead with
soap and water. Scrape the rust from the rim with sandpaper. Paint
primter or use "rust reformer" to cover the bare metal. Cost $0.00.
>Rusted axle (Nylon bearing wheel): 10 inches of 5/8 in CRS@ $8.50/36
>inches.
Use 1/2" EMT instead. Shove a wooden dowel down the center for extra
support. You'll be surprised at how strong it can be. Cost, about
$1.00.
>Tray problem was caused by one handle being severely warped; the other
>was fine. Replacement handle: $15.
Find a large tea kettle or pressure cooker with a steam outlet. Steam
the warped handle until the wood is soft. Bend to shape. Let cool
slowly or it might crack. Total cost, $0.00.
>Cost to make "free" wheelbarrow useable:
>$34
>Cost of identical wheelbarrow, brand-new: $36.
Cost to do it my way: about $1.00.