Cracking open a Galaxy Audio PA amp
David Nebenzahl
the damn amp open.
It's a Galaxy Audio Core PA5X140 all-in-one PA. It's a tough little
unit, with a die-cast metal chassis set into a thick rugged plastic
(polypropylene?) case, that can sit on top of a mike stand. Similar to
this one: http://galaxyaudio.com/MSPA.jsp. The front of the chassis has
6 screws into the case, and there's one on the back I removed, but I
still can't get the chassis out of the case. I tried prying the case,
thinking there might be some cast-in lugs I could open, but no luck, and
I didn't want to risk chewing up the edge of the case.
Does anyone have any idea how to open up this unit?
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thanatoid
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> I inherited a repair job that I can't get started because I
> can't get the damn amp open.
>
> It's a Galaxy Audio Core PA5X140 all-in-one PA. It's a
> tough little unit, with a die-cast metal chassis set into a
> thick rugged plastic (polypropylene?) case, that can sit on
> top of a mike stand. Similar to this one:
> http://galaxyaudio.com/MSPA.jsp. The front of the chassis
> has 6 screws into the case, and there's one on the back I
> removed, but I still can't get the chassis out of the case.
> I tried prying the case, thinking there might be some
> cast-in lugs I could open, but no luck, and I didn't want
> to risk chewing up the edge of the case.
>
> Does anyone have any idea how to open up this unit?
I have noticed that sometimes there is a screw (or more than
one) under one (or more) stick-on label(s).
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Bill Graham
"David Nebenzahl" <nob...@but.us.chickens> wrote in message
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Specifically, No....But I have sometimes found that they like to hide screws
underneath the pasted on rubber feet, so you might investigate that. Also,
inspect the cover carefully to see exactly which panels are welded to what
other panels, and you might get a clue as to where the screws have to be in
order for it to come apart......
David Nebenzahl
> "David Nebenzahl" <nob...@but.us.chickens> wrote in message
> news:4c8db73c$0$2395$8226...@news.adtechcomputers.com...
>
>> I inherited a repair job that I can't get started because I can't
>> get the damn amp open.
>>
>> It's a Galaxy Audio Core PA5X140 all-in-one PA. It's a tough little
>> unit, with a die-cast metal chassis set into a thick rugged plastic
>> (polypropylene?) case, that can sit on top of a mike stand.
>> Similar to this one: http://galaxyaudio.com/MSPA.jsp. The front of
>> the chassis has 6 screws into the case, and there's one on the back
>> I removed, but I still can't get the chassis out of the case. I
>> tried prying the case, thinking there might be some cast-in lugs I
>> could open, but no luck, and I didn't want to risk chewing up the
>> edge of the case.
>>
>> Does anyone have any idea how to open up this unit?
>
> Specifically, No....But I have sometimes found that they like to hide screws
> underneath the pasted on rubber feet, so you might investigate that.
Nope, no feet on the bottom.
> Also, inspect the cover carefully to see exactly which panels are
> welded to what other panels, and you might get a clue as to where the
> screws have to be in order for it to come apart......
Nothing's welded to anything. Just a diecast chassis set into a plastic
case that surrounds it.
David Nebenzahl
Good idea, but no screws lurking underneath labels here.
N_Cook
Tapping all over with screwdriver handle listening for tight spots?
Arfa Daily
"David Nebenzahl" <nob...@but.us.chickens> wrote in message
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> I inherited a repair job that I can't get started because I can't get the
> damn amp open.
>
> It's a Galaxy Audio Core PA5X140 all-in-one PA. It's a tough little unit,
> with a die-cast metal chassis set into a thick rugged plastic
> (polypropylene?) case, that can sit on top of a mike stand. Similar to
> this one: http://galaxyaudio.com/MSPA.jsp. The front of the chassis has 6
> screws into the case, and there's one on the back I removed, but I still
> can't get the chassis out of the case. I tried prying the case, thinking
> there might be some cast-in lugs I could open, but no luck, and I didn't
> want to risk chewing up the edge of the case.
>
> Does anyone have any idea how to open up this unit?
>
>
> --
Try emailing Galaxy and asking them ? They can only say no ...
Head up your email "Urgent - Please Pass to Service Department" You might
strike lucky and get a secretary that prints it out and passes it on without
'filtering' it. In my experience, most engineers don't mind helping others,
and unless the company has a really strict 'no help' policy, quite often if
you can get as far as direct communication with an engineer, you can get the
information you need.
Arfa
Arny Krueger
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> I can't get the damn amp open.
>
> It's a Galaxy Audio Core PA5X140 all-in-one PA. It's a
> tough little unit, with a die-cast metal chassis set into
> a thick rugged plastic (polypropylene?) case, that can
> sit on top of a mike stand. Similar to this one:
> http://galaxyaudio.com/MSPA.jsp. The front of the chassis
> has 6 screws into the case, and there's one on the back I
> removed, but I still can't get the chassis out of the
> case. I tried prying the case, thinking there might be
> some cast-in lugs I could open, but no luck, and I didn't
> want to risk chewing up the edge of the case.
> Does anyone have any idea how to open up this unit?
Sometimes loudspeakers (I see this product as a powered loudspeaker) are
entered by removing the largest driver.
Meat Plow
> I inherited a repair job that I can't get started because I can't get
> the damn amp open.
>
> It's a Galaxy Audio Core PA5X140 all-in-one PA. It's a tough little
> unit, with a die-cast metal chassis set into a thick rugged plastic
> (polypropylene?) case, that can sit on top of a mike stand. Similar to
> this one: http://galaxyaudio.com/MSPA.jsp. The front of the chassis has
> 6 screws into the case, and there's one on the back I removed, but I
> still can't get the chassis out of the case. I tried prying the case,
> thinking there might be some cast-in lugs I could open, but no luck, and
> I didn't want to risk chewing up the edge of the case.
>
> Does anyone have any idea how to open up this unit?
You don't have the intelligence to open a can of soup.
stupid x-post to RAT defeated.
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Spamm Trappe
>
> You don't have the intelligence to open a can of soup.
>
> stupid x-post to RAT defeated.
>
As usual, when you have absolutely nothing of value to contribute,
you go right ahead and inject your vulgar, insipid banalities anyway.
David Nebenzahl
Sorry, not helpful. Everything, including the largest (and only) driver,
is behind the diecast front panel/chassis. Nothing accessible from the
front except for the 6 screws I've removed.
David Nebenzahl
Thank you for that. I know I'm certainly not alone here in my opinion of
Meat Head.
David Nebenzahl
> "David Nebenzahl" <nob...@but.us.chickens> wrote in message
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>
>> I inherited a repair job that I can't get started because I can't
>> get the damn amp open.
>>
>> It's a Galaxy Audio Core PA5X140 all-in-one PA. It's a tough little
>> unit, with a die-cast metal chassis set into a thick rugged plastic
>> (polypropylene?) case, that can sit on top of a mike stand.
>> Similar to this one: http://galaxyaudio.com/MSPA.jsp. The front of
>> the chassis has 6 screws into the case, and there's one on the back
>> I removed, but I still can't get the chassis out of the case. I
>> tried prying the case, thinking there might be some cast-in lugs I
>> could open, but no luck, and I didn't want to risk chewing up the
>> edge of the case.
>>
>> Does anyone have any idea how to open up this unit?
>
> Try emailing Galaxy and asking them ? They can only say no ...
>
> Head up your email "Urgent - Please Pass to Service Department" You might
> strike lucky and get a secretary that prints it out and passes it on without
> 'filtering' it. In my experience, most engineers don't mind helping others,
> and unless the company has a really strict 'no help' policy, quite often if
> you can get as far as direct communication with an engineer, you can get the
> information you need.
Fine idea, and was my next tactic. As you say, what have I got to lose?
It'll be interesting to see what kind of response I'll get. I've had
good luck with this approach in the past.
Adrian C
>
> Nothing's welded to anything. Just a diecast chassis set into a plastic
> case that surrounds it.
>
Do the control knobs on the front come off to reveal spindle nuts?
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Adrian C
PeterD
<nob...@but.us.chickens> wrote:
>On 9/13/2010 7:57 AM Spamm Trappe spake thus:
>
>> On Mon, 13 Sep 2010 13:27:46 +0000 (UTC), Meat Plow wrote:
>>>
>>> You don't have the intelligence to open a can of soup.
>>>
>>> stupid x-post to RAT defeated.
>>
>> As usual, when you have absolutely nothing of value to contribute,
>> you go right ahead and inject your vulgar, insipid banalities anyway.
>
>Thank you for that. I know I'm certainly not alone here in my opinion of
>Meat Head.
Hell, it's all the life that meaty has...
William R. Walsh
> Fine idea, and was my next tactic. As you say, what have I got
> to lose?
> It'll be interesting to see what kind of response I'll get. I've had
> good luck with this approach in the past.
It will be interesting. Please do post back with their response.
Looking at the unit, I wondered if perhaps the cabinet was snapped
together internally at assembly time. I saw what to me looked like a
seam line, but the photos weren't really high resolution enough to
tell.
If that's true, it may mean that opening the unit will mar the finish
or break some/all of the things holding it together.
William
Bill Graham
"William R. Walsh" <wm_w...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Try fitting a piece of paper through the crack to see if it really is a
separate piece of metal.....Reminds me of the wooden beams that "hold up" my
living room ceiling.....Until I was able to put a sheet of paper between the
wall and the end of the beam.....turns out that its the other way
around....The ceiling is holding up the beams....:^)
hr(bob) hofmann@att.net
> "William R. Walsh" <wm_wa...@hotmail.com> wrote in messagenews:179805b4-112a-4f97...@i17g2000vbq.googlegroups.com...
>
> - Show quoted text -
Try dropping it if you don't hear from the manufacturer.
Michael A. Terrell
David Nebenzahl wrote:
>
> I inherited a repair job that I can't get started because I can't get
> the damn amp open.
>
> It's a Galaxy Audio Core PA5X140 all-in-one PA. It's a tough little
> unit, with a die-cast metal chassis set into a thick rugged plastic
> (polypropylene?) case, that can sit on top of a mike stand. Similar to
> this one: http://galaxyaudio.com/MSPA.jsp. The front of the chassis has
> 6 screws into the case, and there's one on the back I removed, but I
> still can't get the chassis out of the case. I tried prying the case,
> thinking there might be some cast-in lugs I could open, but no luck, and
> I didn't want to risk chewing up the edge of the case.
>
> Does anyone have any idea how to open up this unit?
At least no one has suggested a Plsma Cutter! ;-)
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enough left over to pay them.
thanatoid
> I inherited a repair job that I can't get started because I
> can't get the damn amp open.
>
> It's a Galaxy Audio Core PA5X140 all-in-one PA. It's a
> tough little unit, with a die-cast metal chassis set into a
> thick rugged plastic (polypropylene?) case, that can sit on
> top of a mike stand. Similar to this one:
> http://galaxyaudio.com/MSPA.jsp
You or someone you know has a digital camera. Take a photo of
the fucking thing, all sides, and post it to a binary group of
your choice or to some stupid site like photobucket or flickr.
It's will considerably improve your chances of opening the
thing.
I for one would like to see what the hell we are talking about.
"Similar to this one" does NOT cut it.
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N_Cook
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A ring cutter yes, as a last resort, to make an inspection hole.
Somewhere there is unlikely to be active stuff and where a blanking plate
could be fixed over the hole and maybe another hole if the first reveals
nothing useful. Where an "endoscope" would be useful.
I'm assuming you've run a piece of rounded off dowel over any decals for
covered screwpoint recesses.
Arfa Daily
"Michael A. Terrell" <mike.t...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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>
> David Nebenzahl wrote:
>>
>> I inherited a repair job that I can't get started because I can't get
>> the damn amp open.
>>
>> It's a Galaxy Audio Core PA5X140 all-in-one PA. It's a tough little
>> unit, with a die-cast metal chassis set into a thick rugged plastic
>> (polypropylene?) case, that can sit on top of a mike stand. Similar to
>> this one: http://galaxyaudio.com/MSPA.jsp. The front of the chassis has
>> 6 screws into the case, and there's one on the back I removed, but I
>> still can't get the chassis out of the case. I tried prying the case,
>> thinking there might be some cast-in lugs I could open, but no luck, and
>> I didn't want to risk chewing up the edge of the case.
>>
>> Does anyone have any idea how to open up this unit?
>
>
> At least no one has suggested a Plsma Cutter! ;-)
>
Nah! "Angle grinder" as they always say over on uk.d-i-y :-)
Arfa
N_Cook
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When you loose neg bias on audio output bottles and a hole is burnt through
the anode plate and up to the point the the glass melts and vacuum is lost ,
is that plasma cutting?
Arny Krueger
message news:BNCdnXxrdILq2Q3R...@earthlink.com
>>
>> I inherited a repair job that I can't get started
>> because I can't get the damn amp open.
>>
>> It's a Galaxy Audio Core PA5X140 all-in-one PA. It's a
>> tough little unit, with a die-cast metal chassis set
>> into a thick rugged plastic (polypropylene?) case, that
>> can sit on top of a mike stand. Similar to this one:
>> http://galaxyaudio.com/MSPA.jsp. The front of the
>> chassis has 6 screws into the case, and there's one on
>> the back I removed, but I still can't get the chassis
>> out of the case. I tried prying the case, thinking there
>> might be some cast-in lugs I could open, but no luck,
>> and I didn't want to risk chewing up the edge of the
>> case.
>>
>> Does anyone have any idea how to open up this unit?
>
>
IME diamond saws are a more readily available and economical alternative.
This is one of the major changes in tooling of this millennium - industrial
diamonds are now so inexpensive that tools that effectively employ them are
readily available in most big-box home improvement stores. That all said,
this product seems to be composed of materials that are too soft and too
temperature sensitive for effective cutting by diamond-tipped tools or
plasma cutters.
Dick Pierce
>>
>>
> At least no one has suggested a Plasma Cutter! ;-)
> endoscopes
> ring cutters
> drop it
> tap it with a screwdriver handle
> unscrew it
> screw it
Explosives. Now THAT'S the ticket!
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William Sommerwerck
I'm sure most people in this group have noticed how remote controls are
generally held together with screws /and/ near-unreleasable tabs. I've never
understood why both are needed.
David Nebenzahl
No, it's not, and you're misunderstanding the packaging here.
There's a diecast metal front panel which covers the entire front of the
unit, with a deeply set grille for the speaker. Six screws attach the
metal panel to the plastic cabinet.
The plastic cabinet is ONE PIECE, totally seamless, covering the
remaining 5 sides. So it's not a clamshell like most remotes or
similarly packaged electronics.
William Sommerwerck
>> controls are generally held together with screws /and/ near-
>> unreleasable tabs. I've never understood why both are needed.
> No, it's not, and you're misunderstanding the packaging here.
My point was about the /philosophy/ of the packaging. Why belts+suspenders,
when only one is needed?
David Nebenzahl
Ah, so. Actually describes my problem here quite well; why doesn't this
damn thing open up when I remove the screws, which seemed to hold the
thing together quite securely?
Meat Plow
I'd have to LMAO if the idiot still hasn't figured out how to get it
apart.
I'm sure it's snapped/latched together especially if the latch points are
not visible. It's a well adopted method to anyone who has even minor
experience
William Sommerwerck
>>>> controls are generally held together with screws /and/ near-
>>>> unreleasable tabs. I've never understood why both are needed.
>>> No, it's not, and you're misunderstanding the packaging here.
>> My point was about the /philosophy/ of the packaging.
>> Why belts+suspenders, when only one is needed?
> I'd have to LMAO if the idiot still hasn't figured out how to
> get it apart.
> I'm sure it's snapped/latched together especially if the latch
> points are not visible. It's a well-adopted method to anyone
> who has even minor experience.
Not everyone knows everything about anything. It's interesting that, even
though you haven't seen the unit, you know "fer sure" how it fits together.
I've seen more than my share of remote controls that need tactical nuclear
weapons to dismantle, so I feel /some/ sympathy for this poster.
If the OP is still listening... It might be that you have to "pull like
hell" on the front. It might be that there are no latches, and the panel is
/so/ tight that it's stuck. You might also try removing the speaker (if
there are external screws holding it) and poking around inside.
Meat Plow
>>>>> I'm sure most people in this group have noticed how remote controls
>>>>> are generally held together with screws /and/ near- unreleasable
>>>>> tabs. I've never understood why both are needed.
>
>>>> No, it's not, and you're misunderstanding the packaging here.
>
>>> My point was about the /philosophy/ of the packaging. Why
>>> belts+suspenders, when only one is needed?
>
>> I'd have to LMAO if the idiot still hasn't figured out how to get it
>> apart.
>
>> I'm sure it's snapped/latched together especially if the latch points
>> are not visible. It's a well-adopted method to anyone who has even
>> minor experience.
>
> Not everyone knows everything about anything. It's interesting that,
> even though you haven't seen the unit, you know "fer sure" how it fits
> together.
Yes I'm sure because it makes sense. Unless you can think of something
else that makes sense.
GregS
>I inherited a repair job that I can't get started because I can't get
>the damn amp open.
>
>It's a Galaxy Audio Core PA5X140 all-in-one PA. It's a tough little
>unit, with a die-cast metal chassis set into a thick rugged plastic
>(polypropylene?) case, that can sit on top of a mike stand. Similar to
>this one: http://galaxyaudio.com/MSPA.jsp. The front of the chassis has
>6 screws into the case, and there's one on the back I removed, but I
>still can't get the chassis out of the case. I tried prying the case,
>thinking there might be some cast-in lugs I could open, but no luck, and
>I didn't want to risk chewing up the edge of the case.
>
I would like to see a pic of the rear which i can't find.
I often have to uncover hidden screws in things.
I also have to do alot of prying on things.
greg
bob u
> I inherited a repair job that I can't get started because I can't get
> the damn amp open.
>
> It's a Galaxy Audio Core PA5X140 all-in-one PA. It's a tough little
> unit, with a die-cast metal chassis set into a thick rugged plastic
> (polypropylene?) case, that can sit on top of a mike stand. Similar to
> this one: http://galaxyaudio.com/MSPA.jsp. The front of the chassis has
> 6 screws into the case, and there's one on the back I removed, but I
> still can't get the chassis out of the case. I tried prying the case,
> thinking there might be some cast-in lugs I could open, but no luck, and
> I didn't want to risk chewing up the edge of the case.
>
> Does anyone have any idea how to open up this unit?
>
>
single 5" speaker with amp built in. It really did not want
to open either. It has 6 screws on the front.
a screw on the back. On this unit, there are 1/4" phone jacks on the
rear. These are connected to the internal circuit board. SO, the lock
nuts MUST be taken off the phone jacks before you start the removal process.
On this one, the front face is inset down into the rear shell. My guess
is stictation or such is a factor. First on this unit, i gently pried
around the deal with a razer blade. Then i used a very small flat blade
screw driver to try to break loose the case from the front. Then i kind
of beat on it to see if gravity would help it separate (face down). I
eventually got it apart, but it did not want to easily separate.
bob
Ron Weston
>unit, with a deeply set grille for the speaker. Six screws attach the
>metal panel to the plastic cabinet.
>
>The plastic cabinet is ONE PIECE, totally seamless, covering the
>remaining 5 sides. So it's not a clamshell like most remotes or
>similarly packaged electronics.
Many years ago, I had to take apart a Philbrick K2-XA (those of you
old enough to remember this op-amp will realize how long ago). I
couldn't figure it out and called the factory. One of the engineers
told me the plastic case came in two halves and they were glued
together at the factory. The cases were so cheap that when a unit came
back for repair the case was split with a chisel, and after the repair
was complete a new case was glued on.
Michael A. Terrell
Angle grinders are for amateurs and wimps. It takes a real prow to
cut something open with a plasma cutter and still have anything left to
repair. :)
Michael A. Terrell
Dick Pierce wrote:
>
> >>>Does anyone have any idea how to open up this unit?
> >>
> >>
> > At least no one has suggested a Plasma Cutter! ;-)
> > Nah! "Angle grinder" as they always say over on uk.d-i-y
> > diamond saws
> > endoscopes
> > ring cutters
> > drop it
> > tap it with a screwdriver handle
> > unscrew it
> > screw it
>
> Explosives. Now THAT'S the ticket!
Primacord.
Michael A. Terrell
A diamond saw? Save that to remodel your bathroom. :)
William Sommerwerck
>> that, even though you haven't seen the unit, you know "fer sure"
>> how it fits together.
> Yes I'm sure because it makes sense. Unless you can think
> of something else that makes sense.
I like to say I would rather be wrong because I express a carefully
considered point of view, than right because I agree with everyone else. So
on that basis, I'm on your side.
I suspect that, as I said in the preceding post, something is badly stuck
and won't come loose. By "stuck", I do /not/ mean "held in place with
clips". I mean "jammed in some way".
thanatoid
news:i6r02h$b71$1...@news.eternal-september.org:
Because an average remote gets dropped at least a few times a
week (my statistics), and is occasionally thrown at various
inanimate objects and assorted life forms.
Jamie
> On 9/15/2010 9:52 AM William Sommerwerck spake thus:
>
>> This product appears to be the pro-audio equivalent of most remote
>> controls.
>>
>> I'm sure most people in this group have noticed how remote controls are
>> generally held together with screws /and/ near-unreleasable tabs. I've
>> never
>> understood why both are needed.
>
>
> No, it's not, and you're misunderstanding the packaging here.
>
> There's a diecast metal front panel which covers the entire front of the
> unit, with a deeply set grille for the speaker. Six screws attach the
> metal panel to the plastic cabinet.
>
> The plastic cabinet is ONE PIECE, totally seamless, covering the
> remaining 5 sides. So it's not a clamshell like most remotes or
> similarly packaged electronics.
>
>
it most likely has a sealant between the front and plastic case to
prevent vibration at the seem, which is common with that type of
construction.. These things will stick like mild glue..
With the screws half way, wrap the unit in a soft wrap of some kind
like foam rubber so you don't scratch it, rest it on a pillow and use
something like a piece of wood to hit lightly against the screws that
are half way out.. The shock should push on the plastic behind and break
the bond!.
William Sommerwerck
What a handle -- "the form of death".
Arfa Daily
"Jamie" <jamie_ka1lpa_not_v...@charter.net> wrote in message
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Ha! I was just about to come in with exactly the same observation, and you
beat me to it ! Quite a few of these powered speakers follow that general
style of construction, and it's common for something like the self adhesive
draught excluder foam strip that you fit around door and window frames, to
be used to form an airtight seal between the ally casting and the heavy
plastic case. It's not uncommon for this stuff to stick like a bitch when
it's been clamped up in that joint for a few years. If there genuinely is
just the six screws holding the front to the case, then likely as not, the
answer is just going to be brute force. Is there even the tiniest gap that
you could perhaps get something like a wide wood chisel into to see if you
can spring the plastic away from the metal a little ?
Arfa
thanatoid
> "thanatoid"
>
> What a handle -- "the form of death".
Wow, I certainly DO appreciate you explaining it to me!
Sigh.
William Sommerwerck
>> What a handle -- "the form of death".
> Wow, I certainly DO appreciate you explaining
> it to me! Sigh.
I wasn't explaining it... I was acknowledging it. Clever.
David Nebenzahl
Thanks for the first and only really helpful reply in this whole damn
thread.
You, sir, are a gentleman and a scholar. Sure enough, removing the nut
from the phone jack allowed the whole unit to slip rather easily out of
the case (I used a heavy knife blade betwixt the case and chassis to
start it).
The amp appears to be fine; there's either a problem with the XLR mike
input jack, or with the mike cable we were using. (Can't test because I
have no XLR plugs.)
Thanks again.
David Nebenzahl
Heh; I'm totally not familiar with this device (almost old enough to be,
though), so when reading this I had visions of splitting open a 14-pin
DIP with a chisel, fixing it and gluing it back together.
Now *that* would be some repair.
Smitty Two
David Nebenzahl <nob...@but.us.chickens> wrote:
> Sure enough, removing the nut
> from the phone jack allowed the whole unit to slip rather easily out of
> the case
Sheesh. You "shoulda" known enough to do that, at least. Good grief.
Arfa Daily
"Michael A. Terrell" <mike.t...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:W-CdnYkpfYV8rQzR...@earthlink.com...
It's a standing joke on that group Michael. "Angle grinder" is the 'silly'
answer when anyone asks for instance how to dismantle a ceramic cartridge
shower valve to clean it, or anything referring to a 'delicate' job. British
humour, and all that ... :-)
Arfa
Arfa Daily
"Smitty Two" <prest...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:prestwhich-8F29A...@news.eternal-september.org...
Hmmm. I agree that is a little fundamental. I thought we were looking at a
'real' puzzle here ... And without an XLR balanced / unbalanced signal
source, how can you test properly, without making possibly unfounded guesses
about the service condition of the mic or its lead or the socket on this
amp. I would have thought that this sort of test would be fundamental before
wasting time trying to rip it all apart. It is in my workshop anyway.
Arfa
Meat Plow
Yeah no kidding. <boggle>
bob u
>
>
> "Smitty Two" <prest...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
> news:prestwhich-8F29A...@news.eternal-september.org...
>> In article <4c91a6a6$0$2405$8226...@news.adtechcomputers.com>,
>> David Nebenzahl <nob...@but.us.chickens> wrote:
>>
>>> Sure enough, removing the nut
>>> from the phone jack allowed the whole unit to slip rather easily out of
>>> the case
>>
>> Sheesh. You "shoulda" known enough to do that, at least. Good grief.
>
Its not really self evident that the jack is connected to the PC board.
When i took mine apart, i certainly did NOT think it was that way. I
eventually figured it out, but it took a while. i assumed it was just
a raw jack connected with loose wires to the amplifier.
bob
William Sommerwerck
>>> allowed the whole unit to slip rather easily out of
>>> the case
>> Sheesh. You "shoulda" known enough to do that,
>> at least. Good grief.
> Its not really self evident that the jack is connected to
> the PC board. When I took mine apart, I certainly did
> NOT think it was that way. I eventually figured it out,
> but it took a while. I assumed it was just a raw jack
> connected with loose wires to the amplifier.
This sort of assembly is not that uncommon, as it reduces manufacturing
costs. It also makes testing the amplifier a bit easier. I've seen expensive
equipment that did the same thing, making the device virtually
unassembleable.
Michael A. Terrell
And you still don't get American humor. ;-)
bob u
Its always a challenge these days to get apart some modern
"Unfixable"electronics. They really don't want you to fix them or
open them up. I sometimes get LCD monitors with issues that i
try to fix. Its always a game to figure out where on the case
the latches are on the clam shell and to pry and not bugger up
the case too much. I usually get them apart, but sometimes
there are "battle scars" in the process.
Even some remote controls are not the easiest things to open up.
I solved that by just giving them to my wife. She gets mad
and throws them at me and they mysteriously open up in parts...
the real fun is trying to get a power supply or such apart that
is spot welded together or glued. Thats more of a 50/50 deal
if you can get it apart without destroying it.
I like a good joke as much as anyone else. But when someone ask for help
and is maybe not a expert at least cut the guy some slack. Give an
answer and them make the smart comments.
bob
Arny Krueger
news:prestwhich-8F29A...@news.eternal-september.org
I feel stupid for not suggesting removing the nuts on the phone jacks. I've
seen this done sooooo many times.
I can't remember the last time I saw a phone jack that *wasn't* soldered to
a circuit card.
thanatoid
OK. Sorry. :-)
Oops! Sorry! %-# !!!
Not that clever, really, I was very depressed and suicidal for
most of my life. Recently I have been feeling better, but that's
another subject.
thanatoid
news:4c91a6a6$0$2405$8226...@news.adtechcomputers.com:
<snip>
> Thanks for the first and only really helpful reply in this
> whole damn thread.
>
> You, sir, are a gentleman and a scholar. Sure enough,
> removing the nut from the phone jack allowed the whole unit
> to slip rather easily out of the case (I used a heavy knife
> blade betwixt the case and chassis to start it).
WHAT? You did NOT do that when you removed all the screws? I
have not been reading the thread carefully ever since you
ignored my request for a photograph, but DUUH!
> The amp appears to be fine; there's either a problem with
> the XLR mike input jack, or with the mike cable we were
> using. (Can't test because I have no XLR plugs.)
WHERE are you (as in, forest, garage with NO tools, an audio
shop run by Scientologists who believe the e-meter is the only
piece of electronic test equipment anyone needs) ????????
SIGH.
BTW, I have learned over the last 4 decades that it's ALWAYS the
cable (and if it's not, you **still** test any cables FIRST
before you do ANYTHING, including attempting to open an audio
box [when you should let your friends open your canned food for
you] let alone flooding an NG with clueless posts for a week),
and /had/ you posted like a person with a clue, I would have
told you to try another cable - I know you don't have one, BUY
one!
!!!!!!
Ron
William Sommerwerck
> most of my life. Recently I have been feeling better, but that's
> another subject.
Welcome to the club. I have a very morbid personality. The German Requiem --
especially "All flesh is as grass" -- is my idea of light, frothy music. The
compensation is that I have a terrific sense of humor, which seems to go
with chronic depression -- qv, Brahms and Lincoln.
I would never try to talk someone out of their depression. There's often a
good reason for it, and drugs don't solve the problem.
Michael A. Terrell
That depends on the quality of the materials and who made them.
Ron
Professional quality cable, professional quality connectors and
professional quality workmanship.
Ron
Michael A. Terrell
There is a wide variation in all three.
Arfa Daily
Arfa
David Nebenzahl
> "Smitty Two" <prest...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
> news:prestwhich-8F29A...@news.eternal-september.org
>
>> In article <4c91a6a6$0$2405$8226...@news.adtechcomputers.com>,
>> David Nebenzahl <nob...@but.us.chickens> wrote:
>>
>>> Sure enough, removing the nut from the phone jack allowed the
>>> whole unit to slip rather easily out of the case
>>
>> Sheesh. You "shoulda" known enough to do that, at least. Good
>> grief.
>
> I feel stupid for not suggesting removing the nuts on the phone jacks. I've
> seen this done sooooo many times.
Oh, so I guess that means I'm *not* a total retard, eh? Thanks for that.
> I can't remember the last time I saw a phone jack that *wasn't* soldered to
> a circuit card.
Me neither. Now that I've disassembled this it makes perfect sense, as
it allows the amp to be put together in a neat package with no external
wires except for the power cord.
With the 6 front-panel screws and the phone-jack nut removed, it's
actually *very* easy to disassemble. Not a hard nut to crack at all,
like so much other plastic-packaged electronics.
David Nebenzahl
Look, you little fuck (and keep in mind that *you* were the first one in
this thread to use profanity): let me explain my situation for your
little pea-brain to understand.
I am not a professional electronics repairperson. I don't maintain a
repair shop, nor solicit repairs. This is why I own no XLR connectors:
normally I have absolutely no need for such things. I have no sound
equipment, microphones, etc. This one just landed in my lap. I used to
be in a band, the leader of which just recently died, and when we tried
to use this amp at a gig, it failed. I offered to diagnose it and
determine what was wrong with it.
I'm 99.99% sure that the problem is outboard of the jack connections on
the amp simply by doing the "touch the input connection and listen for
hum" test. The amp responded admirably well to this test, so I'm certain
it works. The problem, then, is obviously either the jack on the amp or
somewhere in the microphone cable being used. There wasn't enough time
to get another cable and test it.
So if you want to continue to berate me for some perceived slight
against the propriety of this newsgroup, which after all is supposed to
be a source of information for people seeking such, well then, go right
ahead and be my guest.
David Nebenzahl
> "William Sommerwerck" <grizzle...@comcast.net> wrote in
> news:i6s0m2$c04$1...@news.eternal-september.org:
>
>>>> "thanatoid"
>>>> What a handle -- "the form of death".
>>
>>> Wow, I certainly DO appreciate you explaining
>>> it to me! Sigh.
>>
>> I wasn't explaining it... I was acknowledging it. Clever.
>
> OK. Sorry. :-)
>
> Oops! Sorry! %-# !!!
>
> Not that clever, really, I was very depressed and suicidal for
> most of my life. Recently I have been feeling better, but that's
> another subject.
I'm sorry to hear that (that you're feeling better, that is).
David Nebenzahl
> In the world of professional audio, it`s hardly ever the cable!
Just wondering why you decided to inject the adjective "professional"
into this discussion. As the OP, are you suggesting that my application,
or the equipment associated with this amp, are "professional"? Because I
can assure you that we (the band that used to use this amp) are pretty
close to 100% amateurs (of course in the best original meaning of the word).
I'm not sure I would even classify this amp (Galaxy Audio Core PA5X140)
as a "professional" piece of equipment. Though it does appear to be very
well built: I guess you could drop it two or three stories and it still
might work.
Arfa Daily
"Michael A. Terrell" <mike.t...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:c-6dnXqYAI-4gQ_R...@earthlink.com...
Wot ! You mean there is such a thing ... ? d:-}
Arfa
Jamie
Sure, look who get elected as our leaders :)
David Nebenzahl
> "Michael A. Terrell" <mike.t...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
>
>> And you still don't get American humor. ;-)
>
> Wot ! You mean there is such a thing ... ? d:-}
Nah, all our humor comes from the UK: Monty Python, Dame Edna, Eddy
Izzard, Tracy Ullman, etc.
Ackshooly, I've been saying for years that there are two types of
Americans distinguishable by their taste for Brit humor. One one side we
have the PBS-type humor, exemplified by "Are You Being Served?" (which I
despise); on the other are those who like Benny Hill. I'm in the latter
camp myself. (Hey, what's better than total slapstick? Worked for
Chaplin ...)
Bill Graham
"David Nebenzahl" <nob...@but.us.chickens> wrote in message
news:4c910ad4$0$2406$8226...@news.adtechcomputers.com...
> On 9/15/2010 10:33 AM William Sommerwerck spake thus:
>
>>>> I'm sure most people in this group have noticed how remote
>>>> controls are generally held together with screws /and/ near-
>>>> unreleasable tabs. I've never understood why both are needed.
>>>
>>> No, it's not, and you're misunderstanding the packaging here.
>>
>> My point was about the /philosophy/ of the packaging. Why
>> belts+suspenders,
>> when only one is needed?
>
> Ah, so. Actually describes my problem here quite well; why doesn't this
> damn thing open up when I remove the screws, which seemed to hold the
> thing together quite securely?
>
Perhaps it will.....Have you used sufficient force?
David Nebenzahl
More force is definitely not the answer (despite the many jokes here
about dynamite, angle grinders, etc.)
The key was removing the nut around a phone jack on the back of the
case, which you'd know if you read through the rest of the thread.
Bill Graham
"Jamie" <jamie_ka1lpa_not_v...@charter.net> wrote in message
news:Rwcko.4403$FK1....@newsfe21.iad...
> David Nebenzahl wrote:
>
>> On 9/15/2010 9:52 AM William Sommerwerck spake thus:
>>
>>> This product appears to be the pro-audio equivalent of most remote
>>> controls.
>>>
>>> I'm sure most people in this group have noticed how remote controls are
>>> understood why both are needed.
>>
>>
>> No, it's not, and you're misunderstanding the packaging here.
>>
>> unit, with a deeply set grille for the speaker. Six screws attach the
>> metal panel to the plastic cabinet.
>>
>> The plastic cabinet is ONE PIECE, totally seamless, covering the
>> remaining 5 sides. So it's not a clamshell like most remotes or similarly
>> packaged electronics.
>>
>>
> it most likely has a sealant between the front and plastic case to
> prevent vibration at the seem, which is common with that type of
> construction.. These things will stick like mild glue..
>
> With the screws half way, wrap the unit in a soft wrap of some kind
> like foam rubber so you don't scratch it, rest it on a pillow and use
> something like a piece of wood to hit lightly against the screws that are
> half way out.. The shock should push on the plastic behind and break
> the bond!.
>
Yes.....Even if you were to crack the plastic, cracked plastic is a fairly
easy thing to fix, and/or live with. Consider cutting a large hole in the
back, which can later be covered with a glued- on piece of plastic, and used
as an inspection/access hole in the interim. ( I belong to the, "get a
bigger hammer" school of maintenance....:^)
Bill Graham
"Arfa Daily" <arfa....@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
news:w7zko.11483$vf....@newsfe18.ams2...
The American equivalent is, "Get a bigger hammer".
Bill Graham
"David Nebenzahl" <nob...@but.us.chickens> wrote in message
> On 9/16/2010 6:26 PM Bill Graham spake thus:
>
>> "David Nebenzahl" <nob...@but.us.chickens> wrote in message
>> news:4c910ad4$0$2406$8226...@news.adtechcomputers.com...
>>
>>> On 9/15/2010 10:33 AM William Sommerwerck spake thus:
>>>
>>>>>> I'm sure most people in this group have noticed how remote controls
>>>>>> are generally held together with screws /and/ near- unreleasable
>>>>>> tabs. I've never understood why both are needed.
>>>>>
>>>>> No, it's not, and you're misunderstanding the packaging here.
>>>>
>>>> My point was about the /philosophy/ of the packaging. Why
>>>> belts+suspenders, when only one is needed?
>>>
>>> Ah, so. Actually describes my problem here quite well; why doesn't
>>> this damn thing open up when I remove the screws, which seemed to
>>> hold the thing together quite securely?
>>>
>> Perhaps it will.....Have you used sufficient force?
>
> More force is definitely not the answer (despite the many jokes here about
> dynamite, angle grinders, etc.)
>
> The key was removing the nut around a phone jack on the back of the case,
> which you'd know if you read through the rest of the thread.
As you probably know from reading my posts on other forums, David, I do my
emailing serially, and seldom have the time or inclination to, "Read the
rest of the thread." For one thing, I only get to email at all for a short
time each day, and I try, as far as I can, to be helpful during that short
time. I would think that you would be a little kinder to those of us who are
trying to help you with your problem.....You treat all of us like we are
just a bunch of smart asses, even though there are some of us who would
really like to help you.....If you would prefer, I can always put you in my
kill file, so I won't "waste your time" in the future.
Michael A. Terrell
Sure, but your senses have been dulled by a lifetime of exposure to
'British Humor' ;-)
Michael A. Terrell
If you need a bigger hammer, you ARE a redneck.
William Sommerwerck
> is a fairly easy thing to fix, and/or live with.
True, but cracking the case will sometimes crack the PC board. This happened
to me with an irreplaceable Toshiba remote.
thanatoid
> On 9/16/2010 8:15 AM thanatoid spake thus:
<snip>
>> WHAT? You did NOT do that when you removed all the screws?
>> I have not been reading the thread carefully ever since
>> you ignored my request for a photograph, but DUUH!
>>
>>> The amp appears to be fine; there's either a problem with
>>> the XLR mike input jack, or with the mike cable we were
>>> using. (Can't test because I have no XLR plugs.)
>>
>> WHERE are you (as in, forest, garage with NO tools, an
>> audio shop run by Scientologists who believe the e-meter
>> is the only piece of electronic test equipment anyone
>> needs) ????????
>>
>> SIGH.
>>
>> BTW, I have learned over the last 4 decades that it's
>> ALWAYS the cable (and if it's not, you **still** test any
>> cables FIRST before you do ANYTHING, including attempting
>> to open an audio box [when you should let your friends
>> open your canned food for you] let alone flooding an NG
>> with clueless posts for a week), and /had/ you posted like
>> a person with a clue, I would have told you to try another
>> cable - I know you don't have one, BUY one!
>
> Look, you little fuck
Is that the BEST you can do? C'mon! Work with me here!
> (and keep in mind that *you* were the
> first one in this thread to use profanity)
OMG! Profanity on the Usenet! My transgression is
unforgivable! Please have the motherfucking pigs come and
arrest me STAT!
> let me explain my situation for your little pea-brain to
> understand.
I have a HUGE head, I can never find a hat to fit me. And I
have an IQ of 134. Not THAT high, but odds /are/ it's higher
than yours. OTOH, head and brain size have nothing to do with
intelligence.
> I am not a professional electronics repairperson.
Neither am I.
> I don't
> maintain a repair shop, nor solicit repairs.
Neither do I.
> This is why I
> own no XLR connectors: normally I have absolutely no need
> for such things. I have no sound equipment, microphones,
> etc.
I used to sing (using the term loosely) and play guitar
(etc.) in bands, so I have a ton of XLR (and other)
connectors and cables, etc. I understand not everyone has
such items on site.
> This one just landed in my lap. I used to be in a
> band, the leader of which just recently died, and when we
> tried to use this amp at a gig, it failed.
It's not a bad idea to test other people's
instruments/equipment before using them, let alone WHEN DOING
A GIG.
And there were NO other cables on the stage at the time, huh?
> I offered to diagnose it and determine what was wrong with
> it.
Hmm. So you ALSO used to be in a band, and you don't have a
single XLR cable in the house?
Hmm. What kind of band?
> I'm 99.99% sure that the problem is outboard of the jack
> connections on the amp simply by doing the "touch the input
> connection and listen for hum" test. The amp responded
> admirably well to this test, so I'm certain it works.The
> problem, then, is obviously either the jack on the amp
> or somewhere in the microphone cable being used. There
> wasn't enough time to get another cable and test it.
No, of course not.
> So if you want to continue to berate me for some perceived
> slight against the propriety of this newsgroup, which after
> all is supposed to be a source of information for people
> seeking such, well then, go right ahead and be my guest.
I am not berating you, I understand why you posted your
question here, but you or someone you know DO have a digital
camera, you DO know how to use the internet, and you SHOULD
HAVE CHECKED THE CABLE before spending a week trying to open
a box you are not qualified to look inside of!
WHAT were you expecting to find, a soldered cable connection
/inside a sealed enclosure/ which just /decided/ to come
undone for no reason whatsoever?
And, BTW - an e-meter (q.v.) CAN be used to test cables, as I
realized after posting. But I waited, hoping for an
entertaining reply - and I was NOT disappointed! ;-)
thanatoid
> On 9/16/2010 8:06 AM thanatoid spake thus:
<snip>
>> Not that clever, really, I was very depressed and suicidal
>> for most of my life. Recently I have been feeling better,
>> but that's another subject.
>
> I'm sorry to hear that (that you're feeling better, that
> is).
In a way, so am I, BION.
(For one thing, I /may/ have to think of another nick, although
something tells me you - and dozens of other friends I have made
on the Usenet over the years - might like to help me out with
that daunting task... 'Fuckbrain' is probably already taken, but
please feel free to suggest other suitable nicks!)
Anyway, it's not worth explaining depression to someone who
probably has little understanding of the ways of the human
brain, let alone of the mystifying intricacies of audio cable
construction.
David Nebenzahl
> David Nebenzahl <nob...@but.us.chickens> wrote in
> news:4c929dd6$0$2393$8226...@news.adtechcomputers.com:
>
>> I am not a professional electronics repairperson.
>
> Neither am I.
>
>> I don't maintain a repair shop, nor solicit repairs.
>
> Neither do I.
>
>> This is why I own no XLR connectors: normally I have absolutely no
>> need for such things. I have no sound equipment, microphones, etc.
>
> I used to sing (using the term loosely) and play guitar
> (etc.) in bands, so I have a ton of XLR (and other)
> connectors and cables, etc. I understand not everyone has
> such items on site.
Good. Sound reinforcement was never my responsibility even when I was in
this band.
>> This one just landed in my lap. I used to be in a
>> band, the leader of which just recently died, and when we
>> tried to use this amp at a gig, it failed.
>
> It's not a bad idea to test other people's
> instruments/equipment before using them, let alone WHEN DOING
> A GIG.
The amp was not essential to the gig; we just wanted to use it to make
announcements during the performance, as it was also a memorial to the
founder of the band who had just died a week before. Since we were
playing in a relatively small room, we make do without.
> And there were NO other cables on the stage at the time, huh?
Nope. We're an acoustic band, generally play without any sound
reinforcement at all.
>> I offered to diagnose it and determine what was wrong with
>> it.
>
> Hmm. So you ALSO used to be in a band, and you don't have a
> single XLR cable in the house?
Nope. You see a problem with that?
> Hmm. What kind of band?
Eastern European and Balkan folk and popular (from a previous century)
music. Mostly totally obsolete music that most people haven't heard and
don't care about.
Michael A. Terrell
thanatoid wrote:
>
> David Nebenzahl <nob...@but.us.chickens> wrote in
> news:4c929e4e$0$2393$8226...@news.adtechcomputers.com:
>
> > On 9/16/2010 8:06 AM thanatoid spake thus:
>
> <snip>
>
> >> Not that clever, really, I was very depressed and suicidal
> >> for most of my life. Recently I have been feeling better,
> >> but that's another subject.
> >
> > I'm sorry to hear that (that you're feeling better, that
> > is).
>
> In a way, so am I, BION.
>
> (For one thing, I /may/ have to think of another nick, although
> something tells me you - and dozens of other friends I have made
> on the Usenet over the years - might like to help me out with
> that daunting task... 'Fuckbrain' is probably already taken, but
> please feel free to suggest other suitable nicks!)
'Dimbulb' is already taken on most of the sci.electronics groups.
OTOH, he has 90 sock puppets you could steal. ;-)
> Anyway, it's not worth explaining depression to someone who
> probably has little understanding of the ways of the human
> brain, let alone of the mystifying intricacies of audio cable
> construction.
The same goes for pain 24/7.
Ron
In your world maybe
Ron
>
> Eastern European and Balkan folk and popular (from a previous century)
> music. Mostly totally obsolete music that most people haven't heard and
> don't care about.
>
>
<Aside>
That's a kind of music which is becoming very popular here in the UK, my
own home town boasts three bands playing such music. I rather enjoy it
myself.
See http://www.myspace.com/thebalkanicsband
<And now back to you regular programming>
Ron(UK)
Michael A. Terrell
If it makes you happy to think so. I've seen some real crap on the
market that was called 'professional quality'. BTW, I owned a
commercial sound business for about 15 years. I also saw equipment &
cabling that was 20 years old and still working fine. I see more and
more crap being made overseas that claim to be high quality or
professional quality that will be lucky to not be in a landfill in a
couple years.
Ron
There you go then. You are confusing crap chinese, prepacked cables with
the words 'Professional' on the packet, for cables which are hand made
using the finest quality cable and connectors. There is very little 'on
the market' that is anywhere near professional quality. Most pro
companies either build their own cabling or have it made by companies
specialising in producing cabling for industry use. When your livelihood
depends on performance, you don't use 'Monster' cables!
In my forty some years experience of working in professional audio, I
have found that it's very rare for a properly made cable to fail without
outside intervention.
Ron(UK)
Meat Plow
> On 9/16/2010 6:57 AM Arny Krueger spake thus:
>
>> "Smitty Two" <prest...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
>> news:prestwhich-8F29A...@news.eternal-september.org
>>
>>> In article <4c91a6a6$0$2405$8226...@news.adtechcomputers.com>, David
>>> Nebenzahl <nob...@but.us.chickens> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Sure enough, removing the nut from the phone jack allowed the whole
>>>> unit to slip rather easily out of the case
>>>
>>> Sheesh. You "shoulda" known enough to do that, at least. Good grief.
>>
>> I feel stupid for not suggesting removing the nuts on the phone jacks.
>> I've seen this done sooooo many times.
>
> Oh, so I guess that means I'm *not* a total retard, eh? Thanks for that.
To those not willing to kiss ass, yes you still are a total retard :)
What a stupid fuck..
--
Live Fast, Die Young and Leave a Pretty Corpse
thanatoid
<snip>
>> I used to sing (using the term loosely) and play guitar
>> (etc.) in bands, so I have a ton of XLR (and other)
>> connectors and cables, etc. I understand not everyone has
>> such items on site.
>
> Good. Sound reinforcement was never my responsibility even
> when I was in this band.
OK.
>>> This one just landed in my lap. I used to be in a
>>> band, the leader of which just recently died, and when we
>>> tried to use this amp at a gig, it failed.
>>
>> It's not a bad idea to test other people's
>> instruments/equipment before using them, let alone WHEN
>> DOING A GIG.
>
> The amp was not essential to the gig; we just wanted to use
> it to make announcements during the performance, as it was
> also a memorial to the founder of the band who had just
> died a week before. Since we were playing in a relatively
> small room, we make do without.
OK. Still, next time, test something before you try to use it.
>> And there were NO other cables on the stage at the time,
>> huh?
>
> Nope. We're an acoustic band, generally play without any
> sound reinforcement at all.
OK. I sort of thought this may be the case. I suppose when you
played a larger venue, you would just use their PA system so did
not need to know anything about sound reinforcement at all.
>>> I offered to diagnose it and determine what was wrong
>>> with it.
>>
>> Hmm. So you ALSO used to be in a band, and you don't have
>> a single XLR cable in the house?
>
> Nope. You see a problem with that?
Slight. IMO, it is always good to know /a little/ about things
which, however occasionally, enter you field of vision.
>> Hmm. What kind of band?
>
> Eastern European and Balkan folk and popular (from a
> previous century) music. Mostly totally obsolete music that
> most people haven't heard and don't care about.
Don't assume anything. I like medieval folk music as much as I
like The Sex Pistols /and/ The Carpenters. I do NOT care for
acoustic-guitar-based "folk songs" played by Californians, but a
lot of European folk music, Irish especially, is really cool.
/And/ Eastern-Eur.
thanatoid
news:pan.2010.09...@50kilotons.net.not:
> On Fri, 17 Sep 2010 03:30:00 +0000, thanatoid wrote:
>
>>> Look, you little fuck
>>
>> Is that the BEST you can do? C'mon! Work with me here!
>
> Yep that's the best that the Nebenzahl troll-bot imbecile
> can do. What did you expect from someone who let a simple
> 1/4 jack nut defeat him for days LMAO!
You did make me laugh, but go easy on the guy. He seems OK. Not
everyone knows everything, especially people who post for help
in groups like this.
David Nebenzahl
> David Nebenzahl <nob...@but.us.chickens> wrote in
> news:4c92e3e0$0$2393$8226...@news.adtechcomputers.com:
>
>>> And there were NO other cables on the stage at the time,
>>> huh?
>>
>> Nope. We're an acoustic band, generally play without any
>> sound reinforcement at all.
>
> OK. I sort of thought this may be the case. I suppose when you
> played a larger venue, you would just use their PA system so did
> not need to know anything about sound reinforcement at all.
Exactly. Which is the way we prefer it; we worry about our set lists and
the music. They get to worry about the sound system so that we don't
have to.
>>> Hmm. So you ALSO used to be in a band, and you don't have
>>> a single XLR cable in the house?
>>
>> Nope. You see a problem with that?
>
> Slight. IMO, it is always good to know /a little/ about things
> which, however occasionally, enter you field of vision.
Oh, I *know* all about XLR and other connectors. I just don't happen to
*have* any around, since I don't need them.
Michael A. Terrell
I made all of my own cables. Some are still good, after 40 years.
I was a broadcast engineer at three TV stations and several radio
stations during that time. We NEVER bought cables. I preferred
Switchcraft connectors and Belden wire. I've had idiots drive over a
pair of mated Switchcraft XLR connectors on concrete. All it did was
scratch the finish.
Ron
Michael A. Terrell
Ron wrote:
>
> I rest my case milud
So, the 'Preparation H' finally worked for you?
thanatoid
news:pan.2010.09...@50kilotons.net.not:
<snip>
>>> Yep that's the best that the Nebenzahl troll-bot imbecile
>>> can do. What did you expect from someone who let a simple
>>> 1/4 jack nut defeat him for days LMAO!
>>
>> You did make me laugh, but go easy on the guy. He seems
>> OK. Not everyone knows everything, especially people who
>> post for help in groups like this.
>
> He posts his know-it-all shit in other groups yet can't
> figure out that you really need to remove every last
> visible nut/screw/bolt/fastener before giving up. Sorry but
> I find him an idiot and not just someone who knows less
> than someone else.
I am new to these groups and I have not seen the other posts you
refer to.
I will withhold further comments besides stating that he does
not /appear/ to be "an idiot", which of course does not mean he
is /not/ one. But the same goes for everyone else, myself and
yourself included.
Arfa Daily
"David Nebenzahl" <nob...@but.us.chickens> wrote in message
news:4c92c1a9$0$2406$8226...@news.adtechcomputers.com...
> On 9/16/2010 6:03 PM Arfa Daily spake thus:
>
>> "Michael A. Terrell" <mike.t...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
>>
>>> And you still don't get American humor. ;-)
>>
>> Wot ! You mean there is such a thing ... ? d:-}
>
> Nah, all our humor comes from the UK: Monty Python, Dame Edna, Eddy
> Izzard, Tracy Ullman, etc.
>
> Ackshooly, I've been saying for years that there are two types of
> Americans distinguishable by their taste for Brit humor. One one side we
> have the PBS-type humor, exemplified by "Are You Being Served?" (which I
> despise); on the other are those who like Benny Hill. I'm in the latter
> camp myself. (Hey, what's better than total slapstick? Worked for Chaplin
> ...)
>
>
You really shouldn't dis 'Are You Being Served ?' It was an absolute
classic up there with the likes of Fawlty Towers ... The double entendre
with things like Mrs Slocombe's pussy, were really quite risque for British
TV at the time. Although I used to really enjoy Benny Hill for its pure
slapstick, the humour was much cruder than that of AYBS.
Arfa
Arfa Daily
"Jamie" <jamie_ka1lpa_not_v...@charter.net> wrote in message
news:5izko.5471$2D5....@newsfe08.iad...
> Arfa Daily wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> "Michael A. Terrell" <mike.t...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
>> news:c-6dnXqYAI-4gQ_R...@earthlink.com...
>>
>>>
>>> Arfa Daily wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Michael A. Terrell" <mike.t...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
>>>> news:W-CdnYkpfYV8rQzR...@earthlink.com...
>>>> >
>>>> > Arfa Daily wrote:
>>>> >>
>>>> >> "Michael A. Terrell" <mike.t...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
>>> And you still don't get American humor. ;-)
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Wot ! You mean there is such a thing ... ? d:-}
>>
>> Arfa
>>
>>
> Sure, look who get elected as our leaders :)
>
Well yes, but by the same token, we've just gotten rid of one load of jokers
in Blair followed by Brown and their cronies. The jury is still out on their
replacements, but not looking too promising so far ...
Arfa