Lead free solder
Charles
equipment?
Meat Plow
> Has this had any impact on repair and rework of electronic devices and
> equipment?
Yes.
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Dave M
> Has this had any impact on repair and rework of electronic devices and
> equipment?
Yes... a quite detrimental effect. Google for "tin whiskers".
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Spamm Trappe
> devices and equipment?
You really should do a Google Groups search before asking.
Phil Allison
"Charles"
>
> Has this had any impact on repair and rework of electronic devices and
> equipment?
** The amount of work has increased.
Pb free solder is often brittle and cracks easily under thermal cycling,
stress or vibrations.
Standard procedure round here is to remove it with wick and use some real
60/40 Savbit solder to make the repair.
.... Phil
mike
Phil Allison
"mike"
Phil Allison wrote:
>> "Charles"
>>> Has this had any impact on repair and rework of electronic devices and
>>> equipment?
>>
>> ** The amount of work has increased.
>>
>> Pb free solder is often brittle and cracks easily under thermal cycling,
>> stress or vibrations.
>>
>> Standard procedure round here is to remove it with wick and use some real
>> 60/40 Savbit solder to make the repair.
>>
>
**You tell us - fuckhead
But round here = Australia where the RoHS directive is not law.
Nor is it law in Japan, North America and most places.
And would not give a shit if it was.
.... Phil
Phil Allison
"Phil Allison"
** A small correction....
**You tell us - fuckhead
But round here = Australia where the RoHS directive is not law.
Nor is it law in Japan, North America and most places.
And I would not give a shit if it was.
.... Phil
N_Cook
news:ioq69t$9qt$1...@dont-email.me...
> Has this had any impact on repair and rework of electronic devices and
> equipment?
>
This week a 6 month old amp with 2 separate PbF faults found. Plus loads of
other problems. Test with dummy load , then speaker. Place back in the cab
and supposed final test - another damn intermittant fault. Maybe just
induced by my localised handling on the power amp is enough to have
disturbed another only just holding lead-free solder joint. Luckily the
owner has another amp he cab use and this one can sit until next week when I
may be in a calmer frame of mind .
who where
Of course. The increased number of failures due solely to solder
joints has kept many a service department busy. Reworking with
"decent" solder is the simplest treatment.
N_Cook
news:13q2r6p75t4v63rme...@4ax.com...
I've still not found out what they do in the automotive industry, re
electronic engine management etc. All components will have that "lovely"
mirror finish of tin tinning on all leads plus lead free solder? AKAIK they
do not have a derogation to use proper solder. Cars are parked often in sub
zero temperatures to start tin-pest and then extreme heat cycling and
vibration is use, next to an engine ,is guaranteed to crack PbF. Toyotas
,with a mind of their own , comes to mind.
Arfa Daily
"Charles" <charles...@comcast.net> wrote in message
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> Has this had any impact on repair and rework of electronic devices and
> equipment?
Presumably, you're not a frequent visitor to this group then ? It has had
probably the biggest negative reliability impact on electronic equipment,
since printed circuit construction was first introduced to the commercial
market 40 odd years ago, and was at that time itself an unreliable
technology. By 15 years ago, this type of construction and manufacturing was
a fully mature and stable technology, with a very high degree of intrinsic
reliability. Until poxy lead-free solder was forced on everyone by idiots
who didn't understand the implications. PCB construction is now probably
about as unreliable as back in the early days of the technology. Avionics,
military and life support equipment manufacturers won't use the stuff, and
have successfully negotiated exemptions from the mandate, for their classes
of equipment. That should probably tell you all that you need to know ...
Arfa
WangoTango
Here in the US we can use real solder that really works, so no issue.
If you live where lead free is a commercial reality, who is going to
know if you use good old 60/40 (63/37) to fix your own stuff?
I've reworked many lead free boards with lead solder, and we use 100's
of thousands of ROHS parts with good old 63/37.
boardjunkie1
> Has this had any impact on repair and rework of electronic devices and
> equipment?
Oh GAWD yes. Its total garbage...
Meat Plow
Finally a fairly civil post that I can agree with from you.
I know it's just bait and tomorrow there will be a subject
Meat Plow is a MORONIC FUCKHEAD but we're very used to it.
Mike Tomlinson
<charles...@comcast.net> writes
>Has this had any impact on repair and rework of electronic devices and
>equipment?
This is a troll, isn't it?
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mike
Well....
I found this:
Begin quote
. I don't know whereabouts in the world you
are, but across Europe, strictly speaking, it is actually illegal to use
leaded solder, or non RoHS components, to repair anything manufactured in
lead-free after implementation of the RoHS directive, which was June 2006 (I
think) in the UK.
end quote.
so I asked...rather politely...I think...
I give the above quote more credence as it is not riddled with name calling
and four-letter terms of endearment. Also, the tone is quite civil.
Hmmmm...civil...I should find a word with which you'd likely be
familiar? It's about being nice to people.
Note that I didn't ask if YOU cared. I asked if there were issues.
Charles
"Mike Tomlinson" wrote in message news:5qQdejBb...@jasper.org.uk...
In article <ioq69t$9qt$1...@dont-email.me>, Charles
<charles...@comcast.net> writes
>Has this had any impact on repair and rework of electronic devices and
>equipment?
This is a troll, isn't it?
No, just trying to learn. Why would you think that, BTW?
As to the other denizen with an itchy flame-thrower finger, of course I
Googled before posting here.
Newsgroups are getting awfully twitchy these days.
Arfa Daily
"mike" <spa...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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I think that's one of mine ...
Arfa
Phil Allison
** The simple truth.
.... Phil
Phil Allison
"mike the moron "
>>
>> Standard procedure round here is to remove it with wick and use some real
>>>> 60/40 Savbit solder to make the repair.
>>>>
>>> Arent't there some legal issues with that?
>>
>>
>> **You tell us - fuckhead
>>
>> But round here = Australia where the RoHS directive is not law.
>>
>> Nor is it law in Japan, North America and most places.
>>
>>
>
> Well....
> I found this:
** Totally asinine to post an unidentified quote.
How like you.
> I give the above quote more credence..
** It says nothing different to my post.
I live in Sydney, Australia you know.
> Note that I didn't ask if YOU cared. I asked if there were issues.
** I were given a precise, detailed reply that when right over your pointy
head.
Piss off TROLL.
.... Phil
Phil Allison
>> I don't know whereabouts in the world you
>> are, but across Europe, strictly speaking, it is actually illegal to use
>> leaded solder, or non RoHS components, to repair anything manufactured in
>> lead-free after implementation of the RoHS directive, which was June 2006
>> (I
>> think) in the UK.
>
> I think that's one of mine ...
** Find me one example of a person being successfully prosecuted over it.
There is virtually no way to get caught, no easy way for outsiders to know
and nobody gives a shit.
.... Phil
Adrian Tuddenham
Not in Europe it isn't. There are heavy fines for doing that.
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Phil Allison
"Adrian Tuddenham"
>> Of course. The increased number of failures due solely to solder
>> joints has kept many a service department busy. Reworking with
>> "decent" solder is the simplest treatment.
>
> Not in Europe it isn't. There are heavy fines for doing that.
** The fines may exist in theory, but can you show if anyone has been fined
for using the wrong solder for repairs ?
There are many obvious, simple defences to such a charge and almost no way
to get caught.
Get real.
..... Phil
N_Cook
news:1k065wl.1q7rnpr1tk23cuN%adr...@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid...
For the UK, section 14 of the RoHS Regulation
A producer putting non-compliant EEE on the market on or after 1st July 2006
shall be liable on summary conviction to a fine not exceeding the statutory
maximum, which the Home Office says is currently £5,000. Or "on conviction
on indictment to fine" - there is no statutory maximum.
Producers failing to provide documents showing compliance within 28 days of
an official request shall be liable on summary conviction to a fine not
exceeding level 5 on the standard scale. Level 5, coincidentally, is also
£5,000 at the moment.
Failing to retain technical documentation for four years after EEE has been
put on the market is also a not-exceeding-level-5 fine.
EEE= electrical and electronic equipment
Phil Allison
"Nutcase Kook is a FUCKWIT "
>>
>> Not in Europe it isn't. There are heavy fines for doing that.
>>
>
>
> For the UK, section 14 of the RoHS Regulation
>
>
> A producer putting non-compliant EEE on the market ...
** WTF has that got to do with the QUESTION' ???
You fucking imbecile ...
.... Phil
Arfa Daily
"Phil Allison" <phi...@tpg.com.au> wrote in message
news:91f97m...@mid.individual.net...
> "Arfa Daily"
>
>>> I don't know whereabouts in the world you
>>> are, but across Europe, strictly speaking, it is actually illegal to use
>>> leaded solder, or non RoHS components, to repair anything manufactured
>>> in
>>> lead-free after implementation of the RoHS directive, which was June
>>> 2006 (I
>>> think) in the UK.
>>
>> I think that's one of mine ...
>
>
> ** Find me one example of a person being successfully prosecuted over it.
Did I say that there was ? No.
>
> There is virtually no way to get caught, no easy way for outsiders to know
> and nobody gives a shit.
Nor did I say otherwise, but that doesn't mean that it isn't a possibility,
or that I am stating anything other than the facts. Look up the meaning of
your own word - "virtually". I suppose the poor bastard who got thrown in
prison here for selling his bananas by the pound instead of the kilo thought
the same thing. And if you don't know of that in Ozland, look up Steve
Thoburn. The fact of the matter is that it *is* illegal within the EU under
the terms of the directive, to carry out repairs to RoHS certified equipment
manufactured after June 2006 and using RoHS certified components and
lead-free solder, with anything other than RoHS certified components and
lead-free solder. None of us like it. All of us think it is stupid. But none
of that changes the facts. Nor does you running off at the mouth in your
usual way about how big and brave you are and don't give a shit. The *real*
fact of the matter is that you never know just who's spying on you via the
'net these days, and if one of the ecobollox EU people found someone on here
from the EU telling all how they also "don't give a shit", then you might
just finish up having your example of someone successfully prosecuted ... As
you don't live in the EU, you know nothing of the levels of bureaucracy and
petty mindedness of these officials.
Arfa
>
>
>
> .... Phil
>
>
>
>
Phil Allison
"WangoTango"
>
> Depends on where you are and if the device is yours or not.
> Here in the US we can use real solder that really works, so no issue.
> If you live where lead free is a commercial reality, who is going to
> know if you use good old 60/40 (63/37) to fix your own stuff?
** Who is likely to ever know or care a hoot if it is not your own stuff ??
The only people who KNOW for sure if some product has Pb free solder in some
or all locations is the bastards who made it. And none of them are traceable
years after it is sold.
I mean the ACTUAL people - in China or wherever.
A product may be legitimately labelled " RoHS Compliant " though full of
leaded solder - cos it complies by exemption.
Marshall Amplification applied and got an exemption for the use of CdS cells
in their amps (even a few micrograms of Cadmium is verboten) - how
fucking absurd.
Strangely, Fender have obtained no such exemption are forced to no longer
use such cells in amps sold into Europe.
An elaborate PCB, fitted with numerous IC is fitted to TUBE amplifiers to
comply.
How fucking ABSURD !!
> I've reworked many lead free boards with lead solder, and we use 100's
> of thousands of ROHS parts with good old 63/37.
** Same here.
..... Phil
William Sommerwerck
>> to solder joints has kept many a service department busy.
>> Reworking with "decent" solder is the simplest treatment.
> Not in Europe it isn't. There are heavy fines for doing that.
How would the government know? Are there solder Nazis breaking into service
shops, looking for rolls of illicit lead-based solder?
I hate callbacks. I would use lead-based solder on repairs.
William Sommerwerck
> use of CdS cells in their amps (even a few micrograms of
Oh... my... God... I didn't know I was poisoning my subjects when I took
pictures of them with my classic Polaroid Colorpack cameras.
Ian Field
> equipment?
RoHS is an evil plot to do something - but its not clear exactly what!!!
The result out in the field is that electronic equipment is much less
reliable and has a maximum life expectancy of around a couple of years.
Since the now 5x (or more!) as much electronics scrap is no longer permitted
in landfill, it gets dumped on third world countries for slum dwellers to
pick over mounds of the stuff for recyclable materials.
Phil Allison
"William Sommerwerck"
** For once, the Sommerwanker posts something quite sensible.
Maybe there is still hope ...
... Phil
Ian Field
>
> "mike the moron "
>>>
>>> Standard procedure round here is to remove it with wick and use some
>>> real
>>>>> 60/40 Savbit solder to make the repair.
>>>>>
>>>> Arent't there some legal issues with that?
>>>
>>>
>>> **You tell us - fuckhead
>>>
>>> But round here = Australia where the RoHS directive is not law.
>>>
>>> Nor is it law in Japan, North America and most places.
>>>
>>> And I would not give a shit if it was.
Since RoHS, the WEEE directive has passed into law meaning that scrap
electronics are not permitted in landfill and have to be shredded for
recovery of recycleable materials, in theory this means that lead, Cd or
anything else is irrelevant.
In practice, lead free solder reliability issues result in such huge volumes
of scrap that it gets dumped on third world countries for slum dwellers to
pick over for recoverable metals.
Smitty Two
"Phil Allison" <phi...@tpg.com.au> wrote:
Wow, Meat, you can predict the future! How about giving me this week's
winning lottery numbers?
Meat Plow
Phil Allison is as predictable as the eastern rising of the sun every
morning followed by it setting in the west. This is the quintessential
truth.
Meat Plow
LOL. Phil is so predictable. Just like if you toss a coin in the air it's
a 99.999999999999999999999999999999999% chance it will land either heads
or tails.
Adrian Tuddenham
The usual way the system operates is to pick on some luckless individual
who hasn't the resources to fight back and smash him to pieces in public
so it frightens everyone else. That's the way radio hams were kept in
line by the U.K. Post Office.
who where
wrote:
which relates to "producers", not repairers.
Father Haskell
Importing less cheap Chinese electronic garbage would have more
of an impact.
Mike Tomlinson
<grizzle...@comcast.net> writes
>I hate callbacks. I would use lead-based solder on repairs.
Me too, made sure I'm well stocked up on lead-based solder.
Arfa Daily
"Mike Tomlinson" <mi...@jasper.org.uk> wrote in message
news:D81zLmAM...@jasper.org.uk...
There is no shortage of lead-based solder, nor is there likely to be in the
near future. There is still plenty of equipment in the market which is
produced by sectors that have an exemption for their product class, and
equipment produced and owned from before June 2006. In both of these cases,
it is acceptable - and indeed desirable - to use lead-based solder for
repairs, modifications and upgrades.
Arfa
Cydrome Leader
Europeans are the biggest whining sissies on the planet. There's simply no
other way to put it.
I'm in the US, we can do whatever we want with lead.
Phil Allison
"Cydrome Leader"
> Europeans are the biggest whining sissies on the planet. There's simply no
> other way to put it.
>
> I'm in the US, we can do whatever we want with lead.
>
** As Steve McQueen said in "The Magnificent Seven"
" We deal in lead, friend. "
..... Phil
Arfa Daily
"Cydrome Leader" <pres...@MUNGEpanix.com> wrote in message
news:ip7tj0$347$3...@reader1.panix.com...
Please don't lump the British with the "Europeans". We aren't Europeans in
any way other than an enforced political condition. We never have been and
never will be, and if a lot of people over here had their way, we would also
get out of the political tie-ups to allow us to govern ourselves and make
our own laws again, without interference from Brussels
Arfa
Phil Allison
"Arfa Daily"
>
> Please don't lump the British with the "Europeans". We aren't Europeans in
> any way other than an enforced political condition. We never have been and
> never will be, and if a lot of people over here had their way, we would
> also get out of the political tie-ups to allow us to govern ourselves and
> make our own laws again, without interference from Brussels
>
** Do you recall the episode of " Yes Minister " where the topic was the
impending EU directive re the " Euro Sausage".
Folk generally mistake that show for a comedy, when it was clearly a
instructive documentary.
.... Phil
Ian Field
Father Haskell
> Has this had any impact on repair and rework of electronic devices and
> equipment?
If it's as bad as the lead-free plumbing solder, expect
poor wetting and tendency to set cold. 63/37 tin-lead
can't be beat. Fast, and joints look like they're soldered
with Sterling silver.
Arfa Daily
"Phil Allison" <phi...@tpg.com.au> wrote in message
news:91qcbd...@mid.individual.net...
>
For once Phil, very insightful ...
Arfa
Charles
"Father Haskell" wrote in message
news:8149b5cb-636f-481c...@dr5g2000vbb.googlegroups.com...
The eutectic 63/37 alloy is still easy to buy. Perhaps the repair industry
is dodging the bullet fired at the manufacturing industry. Or, as several
have pointed out, it is impossible to enforce lead-free rules on the
repairers.
GS
> "Mike Tomlinson" <m...@jasper.org.uk> wrote in message
>
> news:D81zLmAM...@jasper.org.uk...
>
> > In article <ioufiu$er...@dont-email.me>, William Sommerwerck
> > <grizzledgee...@comcast.net> writes
>
> >>I hate callbacks. I would use lead-based solder on repairs.
>
> > Me too, made sure I'm well stocked up on lead-based solder.
>
> > --
> > (\__/)
> > (='.'=)
> > (")_(")
>
> There is no shortage of lead-based solder, nor is there likely to be in the
> near future. There is still plenty of equipment in the market which is
> produced by sectors that have an exemption for their product class, and
> equipment produced and owned from before June 2006. In both of these cases,
> it is acceptable - and indeed desirable - to use lead-based solder for
> repairs, modifications and upgrades.
>
> Arfa
I am running out of leaded plumbing solder. HELP!!
Greg
Michael A. Terrell
Have you run out of plumbers to mug? ;-)
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Teflon coated.
Michael A. Terrell
Once again, you ignore the fact that Usenet isn't a US only medium.
Charles
"Michael A. Terrell" wrote in message
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Charles wrote:
>
> "Father Haskell" wrote in message
> news:8149b5cb-636f-481c...@dr5g2000vbb.googlegroups.com...
>
> On Apr 21, 5:07 pm, "Charles" <charlesschu...@comcast.net> wrote:
> > Has this had any impact on repair and rework of electronic devices and
> > equipment?
>
> If it's as bad as the lead-free plumbing solder, expect
> poor wetting and tendency to set cold. 63/37 tin-lead
> can't be beat. Fast, and joints look like they're soldered
> with Sterling silver.
>
> The eutectic 63/37 alloy is still easy to buy. Perhaps the repair
> industry
> is dodging the bullet fired at the manufacturing industry. Or, as several
> have pointed out, it is impossible to enforce lead-free rules on the
> repairers.
Once again, you ignore the fact that Usenet isn't a US only medium.
OK, please post your International summary of the legal use of leaded
solders for repairs, as of May, 2011.
John Robertson
Here is one UK manufacturer of leaded solder -
http://www.warton-metals.co.uk/barsolder.html
No idea on the legal status though.
John :-#)#
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Michael A. Terrell
Charles wrote:
>
> "Michael A. Terrell" wrote in message
> news:sJqdnXaJJ-CPtCfQ...@earthlink.com...
>
> Charles wrote:
> ? "Father Haskell" wrote in message
> ? news:8149b5cb-636f-481c...@dr5g2000vbb.googlegroups.com...
> ?
> ? On Apr 21, 5:07 pm, "Charles" ?charlesschu...@comcast.net? wrote:
> ? ? Has this had any impact on repair and rework of electronic devices and
> ? ? equipment?
> ?
> ? If it's as bad as the lead-free plumbing solder, expect
> ? poor wetting and tendency to set cold. 63/37 tin-lead
> ? can't be beat. Fast, and joints look like they're soldered
> ? with Sterling silver.
> ?
> ? The eutectic 63/37 alloy is still easy to buy. Perhaps the repair
> ? industry
> ? is dodging the bullet fired at the manufacturing industry. Or, as several
> ? have pointed out, it is impossible to enforce lead-free rules on the
> ? repairers.
>
> Once again, you ignore the fact that Usenet isn't a US only medium.
>
> OK, please post your International summary of the legal use of leaded
> solders for repairs, as of May, 2011.
Do your own homework, school teacher.
Arfa Daily
"Charles" <charles...@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:ippsp8$gat$1...@dont-email.me...
Speaking purely for the situation in Europe, as far as I understand it, and
based on research I did for an article in a trade mag at the time of the
implementation of the directive enforcing RoHS, it is the legal requirement
that any repairs carried out to a piece of RoHS certified equipment, must
not compromise that certification in any way. That means that any
replacement components used must be like for like, or a suitable equivalent,
having a similar RoHS certification to the original part, and that any
solder used in the repair must be lead-free.
Whilst it is probably true that this diktat is, for all practical purposes,
unenforceable, it never-the-less remains that it is the legal position, and
I suppose, if some department wanted to get bloody-minded about it, they
probably could pick on someone, and make an example of them. Green mist and
eco-bollox are the current lynch-pins of European beaureaucracy, and I'm
sure that some little tin god would score big by bringing a successful
prosecution against some poor sod like me, so better to just grin and bear
it, no matter how much you hate the situation, and get on with it within the
rules ...
Arfa
N_Cook
news:1IqdnWMR4-FFEl3Q...@giganews.com...
Heaps of NOS lead solder for sale at much the same price as always has been
, at radio rallies around the UK. So by inference there must still be a
demand for it. Usually accompanied with disclaimer notices along the lines
"Sold for use for repairing old equipment only"
N_Cook
of you to deal with. ?
Current one a Fender amp, so USA and no RoHS stickers anywhere, but
component date of 2005, so before 2006, so one would assume it was leaded
solder from that info. Not taken apart yet but can see perhaps 10 ring
cracks in the solder around the valve bases, rear of pcb not seen yet. At
this stage I suspect PbF solder
Baron
> Charles wrote:
>>
>>
>> "Michael A. Terrell" wrote in message
>> news:sJqdnXaJJ-CPtCfQ...@earthlink.com...
>>
>>
>> Charles wrote:
>>>
>>> "Father Haskell" wrote in message
>>>
news:8149b5cb-636f-481c...@dr5g2000vbb.googlegroups.com...
>>>
>>> On Apr 21, 5:07 pm, "Charles" <charlesschu...@comcast.net> wrote:
>>> > Has this had any impact on repair and rework of electronic devices
>>> > and equipment?
>>>
>>> If it's as bad as the lead-free plumbing solder, expect
>>> poor wetting and tendency to set cold. 63/37 tin-lead
>>> can't be beat. Fast, and joints look like they're soldered
>>> with Sterling silver.
>>>
>>> The eutectic 63/37 alloy is still easy to buy. Perhaps the repair
>>> industry
>>> is dodging the bullet fired at the manufacturing industry. Or, as
>>> several
>>> have pointed out, it is impossible to enforce lead-free rules on the
>>> repairers.
>>
>>
>> Once again, you ignore the fact that Usenet isn't a US only medium.
>>
>> OK, please post your International summary of the legal use of leaded
>> solders for repairs, as of May, 2011.
>
> Here is one UK manufacturer of leaded solder -
>
> http://www.warton-metals.co.uk/barsolder.html
No association with Warton Metals, but I would highly recommend them !
They are one of the most courteous, knowledgeable and helpful companies
that I've encountered.
> No idea on the legal status though.
>
> John :-#)#
>
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Best Regards:
Baron.
Charles
"Michael A. Terrell" wrote in message
news:AZSdnZ3KzMKmBF3Q...@earthlink.com...
Do your own homework, school teacher.
Assuming that I am a school teacher, how does one do homework these days.
Usenet is off limits?
You can't fix RUDE, you just have to ignore it.
Michael A. Terrell
Charles wrote:
>
> "Michael A. Terrell" wrote in message
> news:AZSdnZ3KzMKmBF3Q...@earthlink.com...
>
> Do your own homework, school teacher.
>
> Assuming that I am a school teacher, how does one do homework these days.
> Usenet is off limits?
Are you saying that you lied when you claimed to have been a teacher?
> You can't fix RUDE, you just have to ignore it.
OK. I'll ignore you. PLONK
Arfa Daily
"N_Cook" <div...@tcp.co.uk> wrote in message
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The main people such as Farnell still stock it as a current item.
Arfa
Charles
"Michael A. Terrell" wrote in message
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OK. I'll ignore you. PLONK
Bye bye.
Charles
"Charles" wrote in message news:ipv7kp$d2d$1...@dont-email.me...
Bye bye.
Whoops! Darn! Did it again! The international list for saying bye includes;
o Farewell - English (formal)
o Bye - English (casual)
o elalleqa - Arabic
o khodaa haafez _ persian
o aabar dekha hobey - Bengali
o Donadagohvi - Cherokee
o Hagoonea' - Navajo
o Ahoj - Czech
o Ja ne / じゃね (informal) - Japanese
o Ja mata ne / じゃまたね (formal) - Japanese
o Sayonara / さよなら (if you will not see them for a long time) - Japanese
o Auf Wiedersehen - German
o Bis dann - German
o Tschüss - German
o Ade - German
o Tschau - German
o Bis Spater (Bis Schpaater)- German
o Viszlát! - Hungarian
o Arrivederci - Italian
o Addio - Italian
o Ciao - Italian
o Buona sera - Italian
o Adieu - French [add-ee-uh] (farewell) very formal
o Au Revoir - French (aw reh-VWAH)
o À bientôt - French (see you later)(ah bee-EN-toe)
o À demain - French (see you tomorrow)(ah deh-MAN)
o Adios - Spanish
o Hejdå - Swedish
o Aloha - Hawaiian
o Le'hitraot - Hebrew
o Shalom - Hebrew
o Aavajo - Gujarati
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Punha Bhetu - Marathi
o Sampai Jumpa - Indonesian
o Adios - Spanish
o Paalam - Filipino
o Zai Jian - Chinese, Mandarin
o Zoi Geen (the "g" is pronounced like geek) - Chinese, Cantonese
o Farvel - Danish
o Namaste (same as hello) - Hindi ( this video shows you how to pronounce
namaste: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FXlcpjgyrOg )
o Fir Milenge (see you) - Hindi
o Alvida (Goodbye, bit formal) - Hindi
o Ayo - Papiamentu
o Rub Rakha - Punjabi
o Feri bhetaula (lit. we'll meet again) - Nepali
o Do zobaczenia (see you) - Polish
o Żegnaj - Polish
o Adeus - Portuguese
o Tchau - Portuguese
o Do svidan’ya/До Свидания (until we meet again, formal)- Russian
o Poka/Пока (pronounced pa-ka, informal) - Russian
o Do vstrechi/До Встречи (until we meet again) - Russian
o Selamat jalan - Malay
o Selamat tinggal - Malay
o Tot ziens - Dutch
o Dag - Dutch
o Doei - Dutch
o 再见 - Chinese
o Yasou (YAH-soo) - Greek
o Hwyl fawr - Welsh
o Annyeonghi Kyeseyo(if the person you're talking to isn't leaving) -
Korean
o Anyeonghi Gasyeo(if the person you're talking to is leaving) - Korean
o Näkemiin (See you) - Finnish
o Hyvästi (Farewell) - Finnish
o Hasta La Vista (see you later) - Spanish
o Adios - Spanish
o Te veo despues - Spanish
o Vale- Latin (to one person)
o Valete- Latin (to more than one person)
o La revedere - Romanian
o Veloma - Malagasy
o Sige la - Pangasinan
o Khuda Hafiz - Urdu
o zai jian - Chinese
o Ha det bra - Norwegian
o Ha det - Norwegian
o Sees - Norwegian
o Snakkes - Norwegian
o Vida parayunnu - Malayalam
o Vidaiperukiren - Tamil (very formal, in fact no one uses this)
o Ok maams - Tamil (very informal, use with mates only)
o Poitu Vaarein (Taking leave but will visit again)- Tamil (standard
fare)
o Vaarein (Will come again) - Tamil short for Poitu Vaarein
o Slan - Irish
o Aavajo - Gujarati
o Чао - Macedonian
o Doviđenja - Croatian (litteraly means "Until we see again")
o Bog - Croatian ( litteraly means "God", but can be pronounced Bok! so
it is differencianised from the word "God")
o Ćao - Croatian ( Primarily used in Coastal Croatia, because of it
location very close to Italy, where you would say "Ciao" and the
prounanciation of Ciao and Ćao are similar, if not the same)
o Mattae Sigona - Kannada (Used for meet you again sometime)
o Chao - Serbian
o Nawatha hamu wemu - Sinhalese (This means "Catch you later")
o Subha dawasak - Sinhalese (This means "Have a nice day")
o Nasvidenje - Slovene (Formal)
o Adijo - Slovene (Bye)
o Čav - Slovene (Also čao and is pronounced as italian ciao)