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Jeff Urban
May 3, 2020, 11:40:37 AM5/3/20
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Got these resistors. My dude picked them up somewhere, 1K ¼ watt Dales. Little brown things.
The ALL read like 1.001K, some 1.002. So that is why the were cheap. Well actually I can live with that.
Anyway, our "quality control" testing included, after a few pints and tokes, a thermal characteristic test. Taking an average specimen and clipping it to the measuring device was adequate and then I put my butane lighter under it. Now I figure a Zippo is less suitable for this because of it having more hydrocarbons in the flue.
If they were to accumulate on the body they could reach 1 microSeimens which would affect the reading to 1/1,000 + 1/1,000,000 to get ohms. something like that.
So I am holding the lighter and we are both watching the Fluke. After a bit the resistor caught o fire.
That MFer still read 1.001K.
"I think it passed".
The ALL read like 1.001K, some 1.002. So that is why the were cheap. Well actually I can live with that.
Anyway, our "quality control" testing included, after a few pints and tokes, a thermal characteristic test. Taking an average specimen and clipping it to the measuring device was adequate and then I put my butane lighter under it. Now I figure a Zippo is less suitable for this because of it having more hydrocarbons in the flue.
If they were to accumulate on the body they could reach 1 microSeimens which would affect the reading to 1/1,000 + 1/1,000,000 to get ohms. something like that.
So I am holding the lighter and we are both watching the Fluke. After a bit the resistor caught o fire.
That MFer still read 1.001K.
"I think it passed".
Cydrome Leader
May 3, 2020, 4:47:46 PM5/3/20
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Jeff Urban <jurb...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Got these resistors. My dude picked them up somewhere, 1K ?? watt Dales. Little brown things.
1.000k sounds like those were binned out and sold as tigher tolerace.
> Anyway, our "quality control" testing included, after a few pints and tokes, a thermal characteristic test. Taking an average specimen and clipping it to the measuring device was adequate and then I put my butane lighter under it. Now I figure a Zippo is less suitable for this because of it having more hydrocarbons in the flue.
>
> If they were to accumulate on the body they could reach 1 microSeimens which would affect the reading to 1/1,000 + 1/1,000,000 to get ohms. something like that.
>
> So I am holding the lighter and we are both watching the Fluke. After a bit the resistor caught o fire.
>
> That MFer still read 1.001K.
>
> "I think it passed".
What are some other real life tests folks use to qualify components
outside of the standard boring stuff on a datasheet? For example an
assembled board can pass all tests, but still have terrible solder quality
and to my knowledge there isn't really a scoring or rating system for the
quality of final assembly.
Does anybody tug on leads anymore, or bend them to see if they break or
still solder? How often are there "surprise" lots of components that
completely suck?
> Got these resistors. My dude picked them up somewhere, 1K ?? watt Dales. Little brown things.
>
> The ALL read like 1.001K, some 1.002. So that is why the were cheap. Well actually I can live with that.
What tolerate were these? From the armchair perspective, the lack of
> The ALL read like 1.001K, some 1.002. So that is why the were cheap. Well actually I can live with that.
1.000k sounds like those were binned out and sold as tigher tolerace.
> Anyway, our "quality control" testing included, after a few pints and tokes, a thermal characteristic test. Taking an average specimen and clipping it to the measuring device was adequate and then I put my butane lighter under it. Now I figure a Zippo is less suitable for this because of it having more hydrocarbons in the flue.
>
> If they were to accumulate on the body they could reach 1 microSeimens which would affect the reading to 1/1,000 + 1/1,000,000 to get ohms. something like that.
>
> So I am holding the lighter and we are both watching the Fluke. After a bit the resistor caught o fire.
>
> That MFer still read 1.001K.
>
> "I think it passed".
outside of the standard boring stuff on a datasheet? For example an
assembled board can pass all tests, but still have terrible solder quality
and to my knowledge there isn't really a scoring or rating system for the
quality of final assembly.
Does anybody tug on leads anymore, or bend them to see if they break or
still solder? How often are there "surprise" lots of components that
completely suck?
Phil Allison
May 6, 2020, 12:23:11 AM5/6/20
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Jeff Urban is a Loon wrote:
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> Got these resistors. My dude picked them up somewhere, 1K ¼ watt Dales. Little brown things.
** LOL !
>
> The ALL read like 1.001K, some 1.002. So that is why the were cheap.
** ROTFLMAO !!!!!!!
Those are 0.1% tolerance parts.
Any error is in your METER !!!
> Well actually I can live with that.
>
** You on drugs?
> Anyway, our "quality control" testing included, after a few pints and tokes,
**Question answered.
a thermal characteristic test. Taking an average specimen and clipping it to the measuring device was adequate and then I put my butane lighter under it. Now I figure a Zippo is less suitable for this because of it having more hydrocarbons in the flue.
>
** You are joking ?
Aren't you ?
This Loon is straight from the Loonie bin.
..... Phil
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> Got these resistors. My dude picked them up somewhere, 1K ¼ watt Dales. Little brown things.
>
> The ALL read like 1.001K, some 1.002. So that is why the were cheap.
Those are 0.1% tolerance parts.
Any error is in your METER !!!
> Well actually I can live with that.
>
> Anyway, our "quality control" testing included, after a few pints and tokes,
a thermal characteristic test. Taking an average specimen and clipping it to the measuring device was adequate and then I put my butane lighter under it. Now I figure a Zippo is less suitable for this because of it having more hydrocarbons in the flue.
>
Aren't you ?
This Loon is straight from the Loonie bin.
..... Phil
John-Del
May 6, 2020, 2:45:29 PM5/6/20
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peterw...@gmail.com
May 6, 2020, 3:19:01 PM5/6/20
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You are far too kind!
John-Del
May 6, 2020, 3:37:43 PM5/6/20
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I'm just a sweetheart down deep.
You would have thought that OHM (off his meds) Phil would have caught on to Jeff's sarcasm when Jeff summed up the evaluation of the resistor's tight value readings and temperature torture resistance with "I think it passed" - the quotes being Jeff's...
You would have thought that OHM (off his meds) Phil would have caught on to Jeff's sarcasm when Jeff summed up the evaluation of the resistor's tight value readings and temperature torture resistance with "I think it passed" - the quotes being Jeff's...
Phil Allison
May 7, 2020, 6:09:27 AM5/7/20
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John-Del wrote:
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** Lemme tell ya somethin' - John.
For round about 15 years now, you have been misrepresenting and posting false interpretations of my posts.
But I am a normally a patient person.
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>
> There's a character in a TV show (Big Bang Theory) that you remind
> me of. Like that character (Sheldon), you also seem to have a
> problem with sarcasm or hyperbole unless it's accompanied by
> a smiley face emoji.
** No I don't.
By his own words, Jeff was *stoned* when he wrote that pile of verbal diarrhoea and so I outed him for it - just in case anyone took the absurd crap it contained the least bit seriously.
But my simple message was 100% wasted on a Septic, POS fucking asshole like you. Cos you are in love with every bit of your own shit.
Bet you keep your turds in a cupboard too or maybe the fridge, along with your icecream.
The one with similarity to "Sheldon" is YOU - but he is not a malicious cunt like you are.
BTW:
"pf" is one of the smelliest turds on earth.
So you two make great company.
..... Phil
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** Lemme tell ya somethin' - John.
For round about 15 years now, you have been misrepresenting and posting false interpretations of my posts.
But I am a normally a patient person.
--------------------------------------
>
> There's a character in a TV show (Big Bang Theory) that you remind
> me of. Like that character (Sheldon), you also seem to have a
> problem with sarcasm or hyperbole unless it's accompanied by
> a smiley face emoji.
By his own words, Jeff was *stoned* when he wrote that pile of verbal diarrhoea and so I outed him for it - just in case anyone took the absurd crap it contained the least bit seriously.
But my simple message was 100% wasted on a Septic, POS fucking asshole like you. Cos you are in love with every bit of your own shit.
Bet you keep your turds in a cupboard too or maybe the fridge, along with your icecream.
The one with similarity to "Sheldon" is YOU - but he is not a malicious cunt like you are.
BTW:
"pf" is one of the smelliest turds on earth.
So you two make great company.
..... Phil
Jeff Urban
May 7, 2020, 7:28:44 AM5/7/20
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>Any error is in your METER !!!
No, it is not. This is compared to two other good meters, one a Fluke 8842, and one of them was calibrated to NIST a couple of years ago.
No other resistors on near that range read 0.1% high.
But you grab on to anything to dig on someone so, so be it.
Phil Allison
May 7, 2020, 8:22:14 AM5/7/20
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Jeff Urban is a Fucking Doper !!
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> >Any error is in your METER !!!
** That a pretty drastic bit of snipping you just did ?
All context removed to protect the guilty ??.
> No, it is not.
** Errr - bullshit.
> This is compared to two other good meters, one a Fluke 8842,
> and one of them was calibrated to NIST a couple of years ago.
** Why so coy about the details of each meter?
Why no mention of any of this before ??
I smell a big, fat rat.
> No other resistors on near that range read 0.1% high.
>
** Really?
So *every* resistor you have is several times better than 0.1% accurate ?
Tell me ?
Do you believe your own bullshit or produce it purely for public
consumption ?
Word of advice:
Stop posting absurd crap when you are off your head.
Stop posting absurd crap when you are straight too.
Make a nice change....
Lay of the fucking dope.
.... Phil
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> >Any error is in your METER !!!
All context removed to protect the guilty ??.
> No, it is not.
** Errr - bullshit.
> This is compared to two other good meters, one a Fluke 8842,
> and one of them was calibrated to NIST a couple of years ago.
Why no mention of any of this before ??
I smell a big, fat rat.
> No other resistors on near that range read 0.1% high.
>
So *every* resistor you have is several times better than 0.1% accurate ?
Tell me ?
Do you believe your own bullshit or produce it purely for public
consumption ?
Word of advice:
Stop posting absurd crap when you are off your head.
Stop posting absurd crap when you are straight too.
Make a nice change....
Lay of the fucking dope.
.... Phil
John-Del
May 7, 2020, 10:02:39 AM5/7/20
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On Thursday, May 7, 2020 at 6:09:27 AM UTC-4, Phil OHM Allison wrote:
>
> Bet you keep your turds in a cupboard too or maybe the fridge, along with your icecream.
>
>
LOL! You did NOT go there!! The guy who has a cockroach infestation in his trailer wants to bring up cleanliness?
>
> Bet you keep your turds in a cupboard too or maybe the fridge, along with your icecream.
>
>
**"I bought one of the above (Sony CDP101) immediately they appeared on sale in Sydney -.... Yesterday, I popped a CD in the drawer and it spat it back - so I tried a couple more with the same result. Fearing the worst, I opened the machine and found some cockroach droppings in the drawer and near the laser assembly."
https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups=#!topic/sci.electronics.repair/YcNfjgMv6zw%5B1-25%5D
Yes Phil, I do indeed keep ice cream in my freezer. My wife and I will indulge once a week or so. We DON'T however keep rotting cans of beans, soup, or SPAM in our sinks or under our bed, so we don't have roaches in our house.
Try spraying WD-40 around your trailer: I hear roaches don't care for it.
Oh, and Peter is a gentleman. I'm sure no one would use that term in the same sentence with your name, unless of course it's to say that you aren't..
Phil Allison
May 7, 2020, 7:10:45 PM5/7/20
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John-Del is CRIMINAL LAIR and NUTTER !
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https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups=#!topic/sci.electronics.repair/YcNfjgMv6zw%5B1-25%5D
** The above is 3 years ago, the Sony was 34 at the time and the problem was was tiny and easily fixed.
Did he not read this at all ??
"Lemme tell ya somethin' - John.
For round about 15 years now, you have been misrepresenting and posting false interpretations of my posts. "
>
>
> Oh, and Peter is a gentleman.
** Pf is one of the biggest cunt on usenet.
A massive narcissist, vile liar and malicious as hell.
Praise from a ranting psychopath like YOU is the kiss of death.
People like you give the rest of the world every reason to despise Americans completely.
.... Phil
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https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups=#!topic/sci.electronics.repair/YcNfjgMv6zw%5B1-25%5D
** The above is 3 years ago, the Sony was 34 at the time and the problem was was tiny and easily fixed.
Did he not read this at all ??
"Lemme tell ya somethin' - John.
For round about 15 years now, you have been misrepresenting and posting false interpretations of my posts. "
>
> Yes Phil, I do indeed keep ice cream in my freezer.
** Plus all your old turds.
>
> Oh, and Peter is a gentleman.
A massive narcissist, vile liar and malicious as hell.
Praise from a ranting psychopath like YOU is the kiss of death.
People like you give the rest of the world every reason to despise Americans completely.
.... Phil
John-Del
May 7, 2020, 10:15:43 PM5/7/20
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On Thursday, May 7, 2020 at 7:10:45 PM UTC-4, Phil OHM Allison wrote:
>
> ** The above is 3 years ago, the Sony was 34 at the time and the problem was was tiny and easily fixed.
>
> Did he not read this at all ??
I wasn't making a point about the CD player Phil, I was making a point about the roach shit infestation that plagues your trailer and that poor Sony CD player. Those were *your* words I quoted and posted the link for all to see. Did you not read this at all ??
>
> ** The above is 3 years ago, the Sony was 34 at the time and the problem was was tiny and easily fixed.
>
> Did he not read this at all ??
Yes, fortunately the Sony was easily fixed, as long as you don't mind cleaning up roach shit.
Your weak attempt at deflection doesn't change my post, which everyone has seen.
Tell me Phil, do the roaches climb on you when you sleep? Do they keep you awake? Maybe you're crabby because you just aren't getting enough quality shuteye.
And Peter malicious? Coming from you, that's an impressive and ironic statement. But at least you didn't wish death on me this time, not that it has done you any good in the past..
Phil Allison
May 7, 2020, 10:42:29 PM5/7/20
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John-Del is CRIMINAL LAIR and NUTTER !
=====================================
https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups=#!topic/sci.electronics.repair/YcNfjgMv6zw%5B1-25%5D
** The above is 3 years ago, the Sony was 34 at the time and the problem was was tiny and easily fixed.
Did he not read this at all ??
Did he not read this at all ??
"Lemme tell ya somethin' - John.
For round about 15 years now, you have been misrepresenting and posting false interpretations of my posts. "
For round about 15 years now, you have been misrepresenting and posting false interpretations of my posts. "
> Oh, and Peter is a gentleman.
** Pf is one of the biggest cunts on usenet.
peterw...@gmail.com
May 8, 2020, 12:25:50 PM5/8/20
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I would use the "mud-wrestling with a pig" analogy, except for the fact that pigs are useful creatures, and overall, quite intelligent. Engaging with the drongo from down-under has no upside.
Peter Wieck
Melrose Park, PA
Peter Wieck
Melrose Park, PA
Phil Allison
May 8, 2020, 8:42:48 PM5/8/20
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pf...@aol.com wrote:
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** Dear Peter,
you have simply no idea who or what you are - cos you are demented.
You also have no clue who or what I am.
You keep posting absurd & insane abuse and then wonder why I hate you ?
I ain't that you offend me, but that you are prepared to do such a VILE thing in public with not the slightest conscience.
Nazi child murderers could learn from a mindless bully like you.
.... Phil
================
** Dear Peter,
you have simply no idea who or what you are - cos you are demented.
You also have no clue who or what I am.
You keep posting absurd & insane abuse and then wonder why I hate you ?
I ain't that you offend me, but that you are prepared to do such a VILE thing in public with not the slightest conscience.
Nazi child murderers could learn from a mindless bully like you.
.... Phil
Jeff Urban
May 10, 2020, 7:32:36 AM5/10/20
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Phil, you owe me a beer for starting this thread. It was about burning a resistor to a crisp and now it might become a international incident. I am so proud.
But actually, I think if that heat was generated internally it would have more of an effect. So what I have to do now, well first find the damn things, my place is starting to look like Lieberman's, and then to have a way to measure the ohms at higher - and variable currents.
First I have to fuck with some ugh, computers.
But actually, I think if that heat was generated internally it would have more of an effect. So what I have to do now, well first find the damn things, my place is starting to look like Lieberman's, and then to have a way to measure the ohms at higher - and variable currents.
First I have to fuck with some ugh, computers.
Phil Allison
May 10, 2020, 9:02:22 AM5/10/20
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Jeff Urban wrote:
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> Phil, you owe me a beer for starting this thread.
** Really ?
Is that so ?
Must be in the same way Jews owe Germans a beer for starting WW2.
Never would have found out how many women, children and old sick folk could fit inside a gas chamber without that.
.... Phil
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> Phil, you owe me a beer for starting this thread.
Is that so ?
Must be in the same way Jews owe Germans a beer for starting WW2.
Never would have found out how many women, children and old sick folk could fit inside a gas chamber without that.
.... Phil
John-Del
May 10, 2020, 10:37:47 AM5/10/20
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peterw...@gmail.com
May 10, 2020, 11:46:21 AM5/10/20
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Not to worry. The Drongo from Down-Under likely cannot afford its own beer, much less standing for anyone else. But, it will, always, race for the bottom....
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