On 19/03/20 11:20,
pf...@aol.com wrote:
> OK, Guys and Gals - time to put a few facts on the table, if you will have them:
Facts? Let's have some links to what you are stating. Surely that's not
too much to ask.
> a) Nothing short of total isolation will stop COVID19, and then only if that total isolation extends for considerably more than the two-week incubation period. Times bandied about by 'the experts' are long enough to push up against the vaccine development time-line.
Even total isolation won't stop COVID-19 if there are asymptomatic
carriers. Unless, of course, you are proposing we live out the rest of
our time as hermits. So your argument is nonsense as well as spurious.
See my reply to (c).
> b) Social isolation, hand santizers and any other palliative measures are not intended to stop the virus, but only to flatten the infection curve such that the health systems are able to cope with it.
I suppose a posting full of junk will have one correct statement in it.
> c) Nothing short of an effective vaccine will actually 'stop' the disease, and that is no less than a year away
Bullshit. There are many compounds, already used as medicinal agents in
other conditions, which in early testing appear to have antiviral
efficacy against coronavirus. It's about time medical science grabbed
the bull by the horns and started throwing every compound we have
against viruses which have no vaccine, while we try to develop one.
Don't forget that there is no usefully effective vaccine against HIV,
but the virus has been rendered much less of a threat by a mixture of
antiviral chemicals. We really should be doing this with new viruses
which appear out of the blue, and perhaps with all viruses which might
be considered a threat to human health in future. A vaccine is a year
away; we should therefore try anything which can treat this virus while
we are waiting for it.
> d) There are anti-virals, but unlike antibiotics, they are not very effective and come with lots of baggage (side-effects).
See above. If you are dying from Covid-19, side-effects are the least of
your worries. And how do you know they are "not very effective" if they
have yet to be tested in a properly run trial?
> e) The virus is able to live for hours to weeks on ordinary clothing, ordinary surfaces and so forth. It is able to live as an airborne virus for a bit longer depending on ambient conditions. NOTE: "Weeks" is speculative, with the longest absolutely proven survival being ~80 hours to-date. Please do not time it with a stop-watch and think that one is safe 'just because' some period of time went by.
Weeks? Stop spreading FUD. "New coronavirus stable for hours on
surfaces"
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https://www.nih.gov/news-events/news-releases/new-coronavirus-stable-hours-surfaces>
At worse, it was a few days:
"The scientists found that severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus
2 (SARS-CoV-2) was detectable in aerosols for up to three hours, up to
four hours on copper, up to 24 hours on cardboard and up to two to three
days on plastic and stainless steel."
> f) Which brings us to masks and goggles. Against "sneezed droplets", has been suggested. Said "sneezed droplets" can (and will) still get onto the wearer of these devices, including clothing, ears, hair, and so forth.
If you are wearing a mask and cough, most of the particles will be
caught by the mask. If you have no mask, see comment under (g) to get an
idea of how many particles could be spread. As I pointed out in my first
reply, particles of the size in (g) will get caught by a good mask.
People need to be shown how to use a decent (N95) mask, although
anything is better than nothing at helping stop spreading particles.
> g) These "sneezed droplets" will still get onto shoes, surfaces remain as micro particles in the air, become bound to dust, and so forth.
We are talking about coughing, not sneezing, with COVID-19. There
appears to be some difference between them in dissemination of droplets:
"Published data have suggested that sneezing may produce as many as 40
000 droplets between 0.5–12 μm in diameter that may be expelled at
speeds up to 100 m/s, whereas coughing may produce up to 3000 droplet
nuclei, about the same number as talking for five minutes. Despite the
variety in size, large droplets comprise most of the total volume of
expelled respiratory droplets. Further data on the behaviour of droplet
dispersion in naturally generated aerosols are needed."
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https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK143281//>
Note: "Despite the variety in size, *large droplets* (my emphasis)
comprise most of the total volume of expelled respiratory droplets."
I could not find a reasonable reference to the time expelled particles
stay suspended in air.
> So, unless one undresses into a laundry bag on one outside stoop, wears sanitizer-saturated booties and gloves on the way to an immediate shower when home, "and so forth", those masks and goggles are about as effective as nailing Jell-O. Some material may remain on the board, but most of it does not.
Nonsense. A typical flippant response from a troll. I've provided a link
to an good source on the use of masks (WHO)
Ladies and Gentlemen, Boys and Girls, and Children of All Ages - this is
the first time mankind has been confronted with a dangerous disease with
a long (and silent) incubation period, a relatively high infection rate
*together* with a great deal more understanding of how infections work.
Every response created prior to COVID19 is instantaneously obsolete - as
just a glance out a window, or 5 minutes listening to the news will make
clear
More flippant trolling for a very serious subject.
> Try not to give bad advice conveying a false sense of security or effectiveness. Worst of all, if you believe it yourself and are giving it sincerely. Ignorance is curable, stupidity is not. Learn something before opining. Please.
You should try following your own advice, troll. I have provided
references from recognised sources. Where are yours?
--
Jeff