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micky
Dec 28, 2022, 4:03:44 PM12/28/22
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https://www.moneyshake.com/car-finance-guides/road-safety/how-to-protect-keyless-entry-cars
Unlike standard cars where access without raising the alarm requires the
key, keyless entry models can be ‘tricked’ into thinking a key is
present through a transmitter and receiver device.
If your car’s fob isn’t stored safely, then it can be very easy for a
pair of opportune thieves to pick up the key’s radio frequency signal,
without having to break into your house. Luckily, however, there are
many ways in which you can make it extremely difficult for them to do
this and protect your motor.
---- Except, how isthere any signal to pick up unless you are in your
home pressing the Unlock button on the fob at the same time the thief
drives by? I myself dont' bother pressing fob buttons once I've left
the car, until I want to drive away the next day.
https://www.wavy.com/news/local-news/norfolk/relay-devices-being-used-to-steal-locked-cars/
chop
Dec 28, 2022, 4:26:35 PM12/28/22
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On Thu, 29 Dec 2022 08:03:38 +1100, micky <NONONO...@fmguy.com> wrote:
>
> https://www.moneyshake.com/car-finance-guides/road-safety/how-to-protect-keyless-entry-cars
> Unlike standard cars where access without raising the alarm requires the
> key, keyless entry models can be ‘tricked’ into thinking a key is
> present through a transmitter and receiver device.
> If your car’s fob isn’t stored safely, then it can be very easy for a
> pair of opportune thieves to pick up the key’s radio frequency signal,
> without having to break into your house.
Bullshit.
>
> https://www.moneyshake.com/car-finance-guides/road-safety/how-to-protect-keyless-entry-cars
> Unlike standard cars where access without raising the alarm requires the
> key, keyless entry models can be ‘tricked’ into thinking a key is
> present through a transmitter and receiver device.
> If your car’s fob isn’t stored safely, then it can be very easy for a
> pair of opportune thieves to pick up the key’s radio frequency signal,
> without having to break into your house.
> Luckily, however, there are
> many ways in which you can make it extremely difficult for them to do
> this and protect your motor.
> ---- Except, how isthere any signal to pick up unless you are in your
> home pressing the Unlock button on the fob at the same time the thief
> drives by?
Ed Pawlowski
Dec 28, 2022, 5:01:38 PM12/28/22
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my car, just have the fob in my pocket. The car knows when I'm getting
close and if locked turns a light on the mirrors.
I get in the cat and push the start button in the car.
There is a limited distance of a few feet though. My fob is far enough
from the car it cannot be recognized. Pressing the lock or unlock
buttons works at a much greater distance
Bob F
Dec 28, 2022, 5:04:26 PM12/28/22
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Typically, the fob contains a chip that identifies radio signals sent by
your vehicle. These signals are only able to travel for a few feet.
As you enter or exit the car, the vehicle sends a radio signal to the
key fob. The fob responds by relaying its code to the vehicle. The
vehicle recognizes this code and unlocks or locks the car doors.
However, keyless entry isn't always fob-based. A handful of
carmakers—like Tesla and Hyundai—offer a type of keyless entry that
allows you to lock and unlock your car using an app on your smartphone.
These are known as digital keys or phone-as-a-key apps. Some of these
systems use your phone to send a signal directly with your car, just
like a key fob does. Others use the internet to transmit data between
your car and your phone."
Ed Pawlowski
Dec 28, 2022, 5:06:25 PM12/28/22
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On 12/28/2022 4:26 PM, chop wrote:
> On Thu, 29 Dec 2022 08:03:38 +1100, micky <NONONO...@fmguy.com> wrote:
>> ---- Except, how isthere any signal to pick up unless you are in your
>> home pressing the Unlock button on the fob at the same time the thief
>> drives by?
>
> Precisely.
>
Nope. My car even has Smart Trunk (optional setting). If the car is
> On Thu, 29 Dec 2022 08:03:38 +1100, micky <NONONO...@fmguy.com> wrote:
>> ---- Except, how isthere any signal to pick up unless you are in your
>> home pressing the Unlock button on the fob at the same time the thief
>> drives by?
>
> Precisely.
>
locked and I approach it from the rear, when about three feet away it
knows I'm there and opens the trunk for me. Nice when hands are full.
There is a very limited distance though. No buttons need be pressed,
the car senses the proximity of the fob.
Sergey Kubushyn
Dec 28, 2022, 5:08:27 PM12/28/22
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In sci.electronics.repair micky <NONONO...@fmguy.com> wrote:
>
> https://www.moneyshake.com/car-finance-guides/road-safety/how-to-protect-keyless-entry-cars
> Unlike standard cars where access without raising the alarm requires the
> key, keyless entry models can be ?tricked? into thinking a key is
>
> https://www.moneyshake.com/car-finance-guides/road-safety/how-to-protect-keyless-entry-cars
> Unlike standard cars where access without raising the alarm requires the
> present through a transmitter and receiver device.
> If your car?s fob isn?t stored safely, then it can be very easy for a
> pair of opportune thieves to pick up the key?s radio frequency signal,
> without having to break into your house. Luckily, however, there are
> many ways in which you can make it extremely difficult for them to do
> this and protect your motor.
>
> ---- Except, how isthere any signal to pick up unless you are in your
> home pressing the Unlock button on the fob at the same time the thief
> drives by? I myself dont' bother pressing fob buttons once I've left
> the car, until I want to drive away the next day.
>
> https://www.wavy.com/news/local-news/norfolk/relay-devices-being-used-to-steal-locked-cars/
When I'm close to my Lexus LS460L with keyfob in my pocket it greets me with
> many ways in which you can make it extremely difficult for them to do
> this and protect your motor.
>
> ---- Except, how isthere any signal to pick up unless you are in your
> home pressing the Unlock button on the fob at the same time the thief
> drives by? I myself dont' bother pressing fob buttons once I've left
> the car, until I want to drive away the next day.
>
> https://www.wavy.com/news/local-news/norfolk/relay-devices-being-used-to-steal-locked-cars/
turning on the lights under rearview mirrors.
Then, I pull the door handle and it opens the door and unfolds the rearview
mirrors. Then, I step on the brake pedal and push the car's (not keyfob)
START button and it starts up.
Also, when I'm touching a button on the trunk with my keyfob in my pocket it
opens the trunk.
None of that happens when I have that keyfob in a copper mesh Faraday
bag/protector no matter how close I am to my car.
I don't remember pushing ANY keyfob button EVER for as long as I own that
car. I'm locking it when leaving by pressing a button on any door handle. It
locks all doors, folds the mirrors and activates security system when a
button on any door handle is pressed when keyfob is nearby and not in
Faraday bag. Won't do it if the keyfob is inside the car.
And this is true for ALL relatively modern cars with that START button. They
are ALL prone to stealing by an amplifier/receiver if keyfob is not put in a
Faraday bag. There was a video from security camera on our local Nextdoor
showing how a top-of-the-line Mercedes-Benz was stolen from our neighbor's
driveway in less than a minute, from a car stopping by and a perp going out
of that car to the moment he drove away in that Mercedes.
Please, don't spread that BS about no signal unless a keyfob button is
pressed. It is simply false.
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Dec 28, 2022, 5:11:59 PM12/28/22
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TTman
Dec 28, 2022, 5:13:30 PM12/28/22
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>
> And this is true for ALL relatively modern cars with that START button. They
> are ALL prone to stealing by an amplifier/receiver if keyfob is not put in a
> Faraday bag. There was a video from security camera on our local Nextdoor
> showing how a top-of-the-line Mercedes-Benz was stolen from our neighbor's
> driveway in less than a minute, from a car stopping by and a perp going out
> of that car to the moment he drove away in that Mercedes.
>
> Please, don't spread that BS about no signal unless a keyfob button is
> pressed. It is simply false.
>
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faraday cage.And probably all in this group...
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micky
Dec 28, 2022, 5:19:39 PM12/28/22
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In alt.home.repair, on Wed, 28 Dec 2022 17:06:20 -0500, Ed Pawlowski
The guy in NextDoor who raised t his subject replied to me: "No. Push
button cars are in constant communication with the key fob when close
enough for signal. Once the signal is amplified, the device they are
using can unlock the car. Once inside, they can insert another device
into the ODB port which reprograms the key encryption to whatever they
like."
He envisions being close enough to the fob when the fob is in the house
but near the door and everyone is asleep, then unlocking and stealing
the whole car. Possible?
button cars are in constant communication with the key fob when close
enough for signal. Once the signal is amplified, the device they are
using can unlock the car. Once inside, they can insert another device
into the ODB port which reprograms the key encryption to whatever they
like."
He envisions being close enough to the fob when the fob is in the house
but near the door and everyone is asleep, then unlocking and stealing
the whole car. Possible?
micky
Dec 28, 2022, 5:27:45 PM12/28/22
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In alt.home.repair, on Wed, 28 Dec 2022 22:08:22 -0000 (UTC), Sergey
Well, it's not *simply* false. it's false in the case of cars some,
like the guy on NextDoor, describe cryptically as "pushbutton" cars.
My car's fob and the car have lots of pushbuttons too.
Last Feb to June I rented a car that was only a year old and I've
already forgotten how unlocking the door worked, but it had a little
add-on keypad and 4 numbers had to be entered to start the car. So that
would defeat this method of stealing cars. But I know American cars, or
non-rental cars, don't have such things.
It seems almost like it's worth not buying a car like this. Even if you
live in the Yukon, on a farm 20 miles from town, where thieves never go,
if you go to town and don't use the Faraday bag or something, and
someone likes the car, can't he see the owner get out of it, follow him
and amplify the signal and while the owner is walking one way, walk the
other and steal the car?
like the guy on NextDoor, describe cryptically as "pushbutton" cars.
My car's fob and the car have lots of pushbuttons too.
Last Feb to June I rented a car that was only a year old and I've
already forgotten how unlocking the door worked, but it had a little
add-on keypad and 4 numbers had to be entered to start the car. So that
would defeat this method of stealing cars. But I know American cars, or
non-rental cars, don't have such things.
It seems almost like it's worth not buying a car like this. Even if you
live in the Yukon, on a farm 20 miles from town, where thieves never go,
if you go to town and don't use the Faraday bag or something, and
someone likes the car, can't he see the owner get out of it, follow him
and amplify the signal and while the owner is walking one way, walk the
other and steal the car?
chop
Dec 28, 2022, 5:36:13 PM12/28/22
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On Thu, 29 Dec 2022 09:01:33 +1100, Ed Pawlowski <e...@snet.xxx> wrote:
> On 12/28/2022 4:03 PM, micky wrote:
>>
>> https://www.moneyshake.com/car-finance-guides/road-safety/how-to-protect-keyless-entry-cars
>> Unlike standard cars where access without raising the alarm requires the
>> key, keyless entry models can be ‘tricked’ into thinking a key is
>> present through a transmitter and receiver device.
>> If your car’s fob isn’t stored safely, then it can be very easy for a
>> pair of opportune thieves to pick up the key’s radio frequency signal,
>> without having to break into your house. Luckily, however, there are
>> many ways in which you can make it extremely difficult for them to do
>> this and protect your motor.
>> ---- Except, how isthere any signal to pick up unless you are in your
>> home pressing the Unlock button on the fob at the same time the thief
>> drives by? I myself dont' bother pressing fob buttons once I've left
>> the car, until I want to drive away the next day.
>>
>> https://www.wavy.com/news/local-news/norfolk/relay-devices-being-used-to-steal-locked-cars/
> There is a constant signal on some.
Don't buy that. The battery wouldn't last very long if that was the case.
> On 12/28/2022 4:03 PM, micky wrote:
>>
>> https://www.moneyshake.com/car-finance-guides/road-safety/how-to-protect-keyless-entry-cars
>> Unlike standard cars where access without raising the alarm requires the
>> key, keyless entry models can be ‘tricked’ into thinking a key is
>> present through a transmitter and receiver device.
>> If your car’s fob isn’t stored safely, then it can be very easy for a
>> pair of opportune thieves to pick up the key’s radio frequency signal,
>> without having to break into your house. Luckily, however, there are
>> many ways in which you can make it extremely difficult for them to do
>> this and protect your motor.
>> ---- Except, how isthere any signal to pick up unless you are in your
>> home pressing the Unlock button on the fob at the same time the thief
>> drives by? I myself dont' bother pressing fob buttons once I've left
>> the car, until I want to drive away the next day.
>>
>> https://www.wavy.com/news/local-news/norfolk/relay-devices-being-used-to-steal-locked-cars/
> There is a constant signal on some.
> I don't press any button to drive my car, just have the fob in my
> pocket.
chop
Dec 28, 2022, 5:43:25 PM12/28/22
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On Thu, 29 Dec 2022 09:19:34 +1100, micky <NONONO...@fmguy.com> wrote:
> In alt.home.repair, on Wed, 28 Dec 2022 17:06:20 -0500, Ed Pawlowski
> <e...@snet.xxx> wrote:
>
>> On 12/28/2022 4:26 PM, chop wrote:
>>> On Thu, 29 Dec 2022 08:03:38 +1100, micky <NONONO...@fmguy.com>
>>> wrote:
>>
>>>> ---- Except, how isthere any signal to pick up unless you are in your
>>>> home pressing the Unlock button on the fob at the same time the thief
>>>> drives by?
>>>
>>> Precisely.
>>>
>>
>> Nope. My car even has Smart Trunk (optional setting). If the car is
>> locked and I approach it from the rear, when about three feet away it
>> knows I'm there and opens the trunk for me. Nice when hands are full.
>>
>> There is a very limited distance though. No buttons need be pressed,
>> the car senses the proximity of the fob.
>
> The guy in NextDoor who raised t his subject replied to me: "No. Push
> button cars are in constant communication with the key fob when close
> enough for signal. Once the signal is amplified, the device they are
> using can unlock the car.
Not with the best rolling code systems.
> In alt.home.repair, on Wed, 28 Dec 2022 17:06:20 -0500, Ed Pawlowski
> <e...@snet.xxx> wrote:
>
>> On 12/28/2022 4:26 PM, chop wrote:
>>> On Thu, 29 Dec 2022 08:03:38 +1100, micky <NONONO...@fmguy.com>
>>> wrote:
>>
>>>> ---- Except, how isthere any signal to pick up unless you are in your
>>>> home pressing the Unlock button on the fob at the same time the thief
>>>> drives by?
>>>
>>> Precisely.
>>>
>>
>> Nope. My car even has Smart Trunk (optional setting). If the car is
>> locked and I approach it from the rear, when about three feet away it
>> knows I'm there and opens the trunk for me. Nice when hands are full.
>>
>> There is a very limited distance though. No buttons need be pressed,
>> the car senses the proximity of the fob.
>
> The guy in NextDoor who raised t his subject replied to me: "No. Push
> button cars are in constant communication with the key fob when close
> enough for signal. Once the signal is amplified, the device they are
> using can unlock the car.
> Once inside, they can insert another device
> into the ODB port which reprograms the key encryption to whatever they
> like."
> He envisions being close enough to the fob when the fob is in the house
> but near the door and everyone is asleep, then unlocking and stealing
> the whole car. Possible?
chop
Dec 28, 2022, 5:54:12 PM12/28/22
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John Larkin
Dec 28, 2022, 6:32:15 PM12/28/22
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pretty good shields.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/30c6aesh4tzjg56/Z496_Can.jpg?raw=1
https://www.dropbox.com/s/cuxn5r7yzenb8m2/Z496_Out.jpg?raw=1
Scott Lurndal
Dec 28, 2022, 6:47:12 PM12/28/22
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micky <NONONO...@fmguy.com> writes:
>
>
>---- Except, how isthere any signal to pick up unless you are in your
>home pressing the Unlock button on the fob at the same time the thief
>drives by? I myself dont' bother pressing fob buttons once I've left
>the car, until I want to drive away the next day.
The key fob and the vehicle routinely "ping" each other when
>
>
>---- Except, how isthere any signal to pick up unless you are in your
>home pressing the Unlock button on the fob at the same time the thief
>drives by? I myself dont' bother pressing fob buttons once I've left
>the car, until I want to drive away the next day.
in range. This is what allows mere possession of the key
to allow one to unlock the trunk, or fuel filler cover without
any button push on the remote.
The evesdropper can simply "overhear" the ping and use the data
to capture the necessary bits of the protocol.
Sergey Kubushyn
Dec 28, 2022, 7:20:10 PM12/28/22
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> When we get home, our keys go in a Danish Butter Cookie can. Those are
> pretty good shields.
>
> https://www.dropbox.com/s/30c6aesh4tzjg56/Z496_Can.jpg?raw=1
>
> https://www.dropbox.com/s/cuxn5r7yzenb8m2/Z496_Out.jpg?raw=1
Yep. But those bags have their use too -- you car can be stolen when you
> pretty good shields.
>
> https://www.dropbox.com/s/30c6aesh4tzjg56/Z496_Can.jpg?raw=1
>
> https://www.dropbox.com/s/cuxn5r7yzenb8m2/Z496_Out.jpg?raw=1
e.g. park it at a grocery store and come inside. The good practice is to put
the keyfob in a Faraday cage protection bag every time you leave it. Those
are not big boxes and easily fit in one's pocket. Something like this:
https://www.amazon.com/Protector-Blocking-Double-Layers-Shielding-Anti-Theft/dp/B0B4DCLY87
Phil Hobbs
Dec 28, 2022, 7:34:27 PM12/28/22
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convertible. ;)
Cheers
Phil Hobbs
(And yes, it's pointless locking a convertible--if only I could convince
my insurance company.) ;)
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Briarcliff Manor NY 10510
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Ed Pawlowski
Dec 28, 2022, 7:43:19 PM12/28/22
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On 12/28/2022 5:36 PM, chop wrote:
> On Thu, 29 Dec 2022 09:01:33 +1100, Ed Pawlowski <e...@snet.xxx> wrote:
>
>> On 12/28/2022 4:03 PM, micky wrote:
>>> https://www.moneyshake.com/car-finance-guides/road-safety/how-to-protect-keyless-entry-cars
>>> Unlike standard cars where access without raising the alarm requires the
>>> key, keyless entry models can be ‘tricked’ into thinking a key is
>>> present through a transmitter and receiver device.
>>> If your car’s fob isn’t stored safely, then it can be very easy for a
>>> pair of opportune thieves to pick up the key’s radio frequency signal,
>>> without having to break into your house. Luckily, however, there are
>>> many ways in which you can make it extremely difficult for them to do
>>> this and protect your motor.
>>> ---- Except, how isthere any signal to pick up unless you are in your
>>> home pressing the Unlock button on the fob at the same time the thief
>>> drives by? I myself dont' bother pressing fob buttons once I've left
>>> the car, until I want to drive away the next day.
>>> https://www.wavy.com/news/local-news/norfolk/relay-devices-being-used-to-steal-locked-cars/
>
>> There is a constant signal on some.
>
> Don't buy that. The battery wouldn't last very long if that was the case.
>
>> I don't press any button to drive my car, just have the fob in my pocket.
>
> That doesn't mean that there is a constant signal.
>
What then? it is constantly recognizable by the car, that is what matters.
> On Thu, 29 Dec 2022 09:01:33 +1100, Ed Pawlowski <e...@snet.xxx> wrote:
>
>> On 12/28/2022 4:03 PM, micky wrote:
>>> https://www.moneyshake.com/car-finance-guides/road-safety/how-to-protect-keyless-entry-cars
>>> Unlike standard cars where access without raising the alarm requires the
>>> key, keyless entry models can be ‘tricked’ into thinking a key is
>>> present through a transmitter and receiver device.
>>> If your car’s fob isn’t stored safely, then it can be very easy for a
>>> pair of opportune thieves to pick up the key’s radio frequency signal,
>>> without having to break into your house. Luckily, however, there are
>>> many ways in which you can make it extremely difficult for them to do
>>> this and protect your motor.
>>> ---- Except, how isthere any signal to pick up unless you are in your
>>> home pressing the Unlock button on the fob at the same time the thief
>>> drives by? I myself dont' bother pressing fob buttons once I've left
>>> the car, until I want to drive away the next day.
>>> https://www.wavy.com/news/local-news/norfolk/relay-devices-being-used-to-steal-locked-cars/
>
>> There is a constant signal on some.
>
> Don't buy that. The battery wouldn't last very long if that was the case.
>
>> I don't press any button to drive my car, just have the fob in my pocket.
>
> That doesn't mean that there is a constant signal.
>
John Larkin
Dec 28, 2022, 8:02:29 PM12/28/22
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On Thu, 29 Dec 2022 00:20:05 -0000 (UTC), Sergey Kubushyn
We have old fashioned cars with RF fobs that transmit when the button
is pushed. I don't think the RF relay cheat works with them.
is pushed. I don't think the RF relay cheat works with them.
chop
Dec 28, 2022, 9:52:10 PM12/28/22
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On Thu, 29 Dec 2022 10:47:07 +1100, Scott Lurndal <sc...@slp53.sl.home>
wrote:
Not with a rolling code system.
wrote:
chop
Dec 28, 2022, 9:56:58 PM12/28/22
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to the traffic and repeating it try to fool the car and steal it.
chop
Dec 28, 2022, 10:00:34 PM12/28/22
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On Thu, 29 Dec 2022 12:02:20 +1100, John Larkin
I know that it doesn't. And even recording what happens when the
owner locks the car doesn't work with a rolling code system.
owner locks the car doesn't work with a rolling code system.
bud--
Dec 28, 2022, 10:33:36 PM12/28/22
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<https://www.moneyshake.com/car-finance-guides/road-safety/how-to-protect-keyless-entry-cars>
"How do keyless car thefts work?" (in the first post)
the method gives the car the code from a legitimate fob at the time the
theft takes place.
Rolling code? That is the code the car gets.
chop
Dec 28, 2022, 11:38:22 PM12/28/22
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> Rolling code? That is the code the car gets.
DeepCore
Dec 29, 2022, 2:16:59 AM12/29/22
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On 2022-12-28 Sergey Kubushyn wrote:
> Please, don't spread that BS about no signal unless a keyfob button is
> pressed. It is simply false.
I have to chime in... as with everything technical or electronic, people
> Please, don't spread that BS about no signal unless a keyfob button is
> pressed. It is simply false.
have to know how these things work. With more knowledge they become less
scary.
All keyless cars emitt a weak radio signal that shouldn't extend over
5-10 meters around the car. The idea is to 'trigger' the keyfob in your
pocket as you approach your car.
Once your keyfob picks up the signal from the car, it sends back its own
signal. This is how the 'greeting function' is realised.
When you grab the door handle, the car senses it and sends a radio
signal to the keyfob, which responds then. If the exchanged codes match,
the car unlocks the door. Same happens when you press the START button.
On some keyfobs, you can see a small LED light up when it responds the
car's signal.
The thieves abuse this systems be having a receiver next to your car and
grabbing the door hanlde. This receiver picks up the signal of the car
and relays it to a second device with has to be near your keyfob. This
second device sends the relayed signal to your keyfob, which responds,
thinking it heard the car's signal. And this answer gets relayed back to
the first device near the car... and the car thinks, it got the answer
from the keyfob ...
In essence, it is a design flaw (bug), becaus nobody thought about these
relaying schemes ...
Peeler
Dec 29, 2022, 3:29:42 AM12/29/22
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On Thu, 29 Dec 2022 09:43:17 +1100, chop, better known as cantankerous
trolling senile geezer Rodent Speed, wrote:
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trolling senile geezer Rodent Speed, wrote:
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Peeler
Dec 29, 2022, 3:30:36 AM12/29/22
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On Thu, 29 Dec 2022 13:56:48 +1100, chop, better known as cantankerous
"That’s because so much piss and shite emanates from your gob that there is
nothing left to exit normally, your arsehole has clammed shut through disuse
and the end of prick is only clear because you are such a Wanker."
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trolling senile geezer Rodent Speed, wrote:
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Marland answering senile Rodent's statement, "I don't leak":
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"That’s because so much piss and shite emanates from your gob that there is
nothing left to exit normally, your arsehole has clammed shut through disuse
and the end of prick is only clear because you are such a Wanker."
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Peeler
Dec 29, 2022, 3:31:15 AM12/29/22
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On Thu, 29 Dec 2022 09:54:04 +1100, chop, better known as cantankerous
cretin's pathological trolling:
https://www.pcreview.co.uk/threads/rod-speed-faq.2973853/
trolling senile geezer Rodent Speed, wrote:
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Website (from 2007) dedicated to the 88-year-old senile Australian
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cretin's pathological trolling:
https://www.pcreview.co.uk/threads/rod-speed-faq.2973853/
Peeler
Dec 29, 2022, 3:31:44 AM12/29/22
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On Thu, 29 Dec 2022 14:00:24 +1100, chop, better known as cantankerous
He is by far the most persistent troll who seems to be able to get under the
skin of folk who really should know better. Since when did arguing with a
troll ever achieve anything (beyond giving the troll pleasure)?
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trolling senile geezer Rodent Speed, wrote:
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Tim+ about trolling Rodent Speed:
<FLUSH the abnormal trolling senile cretin's latest trollshit unread>
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He is by far the most persistent troll who seems to be able to get under the
skin of folk who really should know better. Since when did arguing with a
troll ever achieve anything (beyond giving the troll pleasure)?
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Peeler
Dec 29, 2022, 3:32:20 AM12/29/22
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On Thu, 29 Dec 2022 13:52:00 +1100, chop, better known as cantankerous
"Auto-contradictor Rod is back! (in the KF)"
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trolling senile geezer Rodent Speed, wrote:
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Kerr-Mudd,John addressing the auto-contradicting senile cretin:
<FLUSH the abnormal trolling senile cretin's latest trollshit unread>
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"Auto-contradictor Rod is back! (in the KF)"
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Peeler
Dec 29, 2022, 3:32:56 AM12/29/22
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On Thu, 29 Dec 2022 15:38:12 +1100, chop, better known as cantankerous
"Rod speed is not a Brexiteer. He is an Australian troll and arsehole."
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trolling senile geezer Rodent Speed, wrote:
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The Natural Philosopher about senile Rodent:
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"Rod speed is not a Brexiteer. He is an Australian troll and arsehole."
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bud--
Dec 29, 2022, 5:58:03 AM12/29/22
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understand.
When the scheme is being run it gets a 'fresh' rolling code from an
authorized fob and sends it to the car.
Everyone seems to understand but you.
chop
Dec 29, 2022, 1:00:09 PM12/29/22
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>>> Rolling code? That is the code the car gets.
>> But it is different every time, that's where the name ROLLING comes
>> from.
>
> You have not read the cited source or it is too difficult for you to
> understand.
> When the scheme is being run it gets a 'fresh' rolling code from an
> authorized fob and sends it to the car.
> Everyone seems to understand but you.
If it was that easy, all cars with buttonless fobs would be stolen and
that doesn't happen.
Peeler
Dec 29, 2022, 2:18:45 PM12/29/22
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On Fri, 30 Dec 2022 05:00:01 +1100, chop, better known as cantankerous
"Shit you're thick/pathetic excuse for a troll."
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trolling senile geezer Rodent Speed, wrote:
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Richard addressing senile Rodent Speed:
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"Shit you're thick/pathetic excuse for a troll."
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Bob F
Dec 29, 2022, 2:49:20 PM12/29/22
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On 12/29/2022 11:17 AM, Peeler wrote:
> On Fri, 30 Dec 2022 05:00:01 +1100, chop, better known as cantankerous
> trolling senile geezer Rodent Speed, wrote:
I was just thinking that that must be the case.
> On Fri, 30 Dec 2022 05:00:01 +1100, chop, better known as cantankerous
> trolling senile geezer Rodent Speed, wrote:
Wade Garrett
Dec 30, 2022, 9:42:35 AM12/30/22
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On 12/28/22 5:08 PM, Sergey Kubushyn wrote:
> In sci.electronics.repair micky <NONONO...@fmguy.com> wrote:
>>
>> https://www.moneyshake.com/car-finance-guides/road-safety/how-to-protect-keyless-entry-cars
>> Unlike standard cars where access without raising the alarm requires the
>> key, keyless entry models can be ?tricked? into thinking a key is
>> present through a transmitter and receiver device.
>> If your car?s fob isn?t stored safely, then it can be very easy for a
>> pair of opportune thieves to pick up the key?s radio frequency signal,
>> without having to break into your house. Luckily, however, there are
>> many ways in which you can make it extremely difficult for them to do
>> this and protect your motor.
>>
> In sci.electronics.repair micky <NONONO...@fmguy.com> wrote:
>>
>> https://www.moneyshake.com/car-finance-guides/road-safety/how-to-protect-keyless-entry-cars
>> Unlike standard cars where access without raising the alarm requires the
>> key, keyless entry models can be ?tricked? into thinking a key is
>> present through a transmitter and receiver device.
>> If your car?s fob isn?t stored safely, then it can be very easy for a
>> pair of opportune thieves to pick up the key?s radio frequency signal,
>> without having to break into your house. Luckily, however, there are
>> many ways in which you can make it extremely difficult for them to do
>> this and protect your motor.
>>
>> ---- Except, how isthere any signal to pick up unless you are in your
>> home pressing the Unlock button on the fob at the same time the thief
>> drives by? I myself dont' bother pressing fob buttons once I've left
>> the car, until I want to drive away the next day.
>>
>> home pressing the Unlock button on the fob at the same time the thief
>> drives by? I myself dont' bother pressing fob buttons once I've left
>> the car, until I want to drive away the next day.
>>
>> https://www.wavy.com/news/local-news/norfolk/relay-devices-being-used-to-steal-locked-cars/
>
> When I'm close to my Lexus LS460L with keyfob in my pocket it greets me with
> turning on the lights under rearview mirrors.
>
> Then, I pull the door handle and it opens the door and unfolds the rearview
> mirrors. Then, I step on the brake pedal and push the car's (not keyfob)
> START button and it starts up.
>
> Also, when I'm touching a button on the trunk with my keyfob in my pocket it
> opens the trunk.
>
> None of that happens when I have that keyfob in a copper mesh Faraday
> bag/protector no matter how close I am to my car.
>
> I don't remember pushing ANY keyfob button EVER for as long as I own that
> car. I'm locking it when leaving by pressing a button on any door handle. It
> locks all doors, folds the mirrors and activates security system when a
> button on any door handle is pressed when keyfob is nearby and not in
> Faraday bag. Won't do it if the keyfob is inside the car.
>
> And this is true for ALL relatively modern cars with that START button. They
> are ALL prone to stealing by an amplifier/receiver if keyfob is not put in a
> Faraday bag. There was a video from security camera on our local Nextdoor
> showing how a top-of-the-line Mercedes-Benz was stolen from our neighbor's
> driveway in less than a minute, from a car stopping by and a perp going out
> of that car to the moment he drove away in that Mercedes.
>
>
> When I'm close to my Lexus LS460L with keyfob in my pocket it greets me with
> turning on the lights under rearview mirrors.
>
> Then, I pull the door handle and it opens the door and unfolds the rearview
> mirrors. Then, I step on the brake pedal and push the car's (not keyfob)
> START button and it starts up.
>
> Also, when I'm touching a button on the trunk with my keyfob in my pocket it
> opens the trunk.
>
> None of that happens when I have that keyfob in a copper mesh Faraday
> bag/protector no matter how close I am to my car.
>
> I don't remember pushing ANY keyfob button EVER for as long as I own that
> car. I'm locking it when leaving by pressing a button on any door handle. It
> locks all doors, folds the mirrors and activates security system when a
> button on any door handle is pressed when keyfob is nearby and not in
> Faraday bag. Won't do it if the keyfob is inside the car.
>
> And this is true for ALL relatively modern cars with that START button. They
> are ALL prone to stealing by an amplifier/receiver if keyfob is not put in a
> Faraday bag. There was a video from security camera on our local Nextdoor
> showing how a top-of-the-line Mercedes-Benz was stolen from our neighbor's
> driveway in less than a minute, from a car stopping by and a perp going out
> of that car to the moment he drove away in that Mercedes.
>
> Please, don't spread that BS about no signal unless a keyfob button is
> pressed. It is simply false.
>
> pressed. It is simply false.
>
> ---
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John Larkin
Dec 30, 2022, 11:04:05 AM12/30/22
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boot it up from my little lithium thing. Or at least get inside, out
of the rain and snow.
Imagine freezing to death because your car won't let you in.
Peter W.
Dec 31, 2022, 9:50:23 AM12/31/22
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Cutting to the chase....
Who, here, has had an *DIRECT* experience with car-theft-by-cloning?
Peter Wieck
Melrose Park, PA
Who, here, has had an *DIRECT* experience with car-theft-by-cloning?
Peter Wieck
Melrose Park, PA
Tim R
Dec 31, 2022, 12:09:50 PM12/31/22
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We knew someone who had a car stolen from their driveway. The thief used a remote to open the garage door, entered the house and grabbed the car keys off a hook on the wall. I think they grabbed a couple laptops etc but were gone in 60 seconds in the car. They were seen on a neighbors security camera but I don't think were ever caught.
Bob F
Dec 31, 2022, 1:52:15 PM12/31/22
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On 12/31/2022 6:50 AM, Peter W. wrote:
> Cutting to the chase....
>
> Who, here, has had an *DIRECT* experience with car-theft-by-cloning?
>
And how the H do you know that?
> Cutting to the chase....
>
> Who, here, has had an *DIRECT* experience with car-theft-by-cloning?
>
Peter W.
Dec 31, 2022, 2:46:54 PM12/31/22
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> And how the H do you know that?
Because when a thread such as this one gets to 41 (including this one) posts that are 100% speculative, then one suspects that there is no direct experience behind it.
Phil Hobbs
Dec 31, 2022, 3:05:27 PM12/31/22
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Cheers
Phil Hobbs
Sergey Kubushyn
Dec 31, 2022, 3:22:20 PM12/31/22
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Peter W. <peterw...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Cutting to the chase....
>
> Who, here, has had an *DIRECT* experience with car-theft-by-cloning?
Not direct but my neighbor's Mercedes was stolen that way.
> Cutting to the chase....
>
> Who, here, has had an *DIRECT* experience with car-theft-by-cloning?
Peter W.
Dec 31, 2022, 3:43:15 PM12/31/22
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> > Who, here, has had an *DIRECT* experience with car-theft-by-cloning?
> Not direct but my neighbor's Mercedes was stolen that way.
Neighbor. Friend. Third Cousin, twice removed.
> Not direct but my neighbor's Mercedes was stolen that way.
i.e.: No credible direct experience.
That something is possible - meteor strike, lightening strike, hitting the billion-dollar lottery, does not make it likely. Or, even, a credible threat, excepting pure blind luck and/or stupidity.
Peter W.
Jan 1, 2023, 8:25:26 AM1/1/23
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