Re: cooling via natural gas, was: Gas shortage UK

[Commander Kinsey]

On Mon, 07 Nov 2022 03:19:32 -0000, Clare Snyder <cl...@snyder.on.ca> wrote:

> On Sun, 06 Nov 2022 16:03:00 -0500, hub...@ccanoemail.com wrote:
>
>> On Sun, 6 Nov 2022 19:51:51 -0000 (UTC), danny burstein
>> <dan...@panix.com> wrote:
>>
>>> In <op.1u78r...@ryzen.home> "Commander Kinsey" <C...@nospam.com> writes:
>>>
>>> [snip]
>>>
>>>> Since when could gas cool something anyway?
>>>
>>> Broadly speaking, two ways:
>>>
>>> a: using it to directly power a compressor the same
>>> way it can run a car or generator
>>>
>>> and
>>>
>>> b: through that whole "ammonia cycle" deal which, while
>>> I've seen it in operation, makes my head hurt.
>>>
>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Absorption_refrigerator
>>
>>
>> Cabins & cottages in remote locations have used propane
>> burning fridges for decades.
>> John T.
> Lots of Servels in Amish houses too - up John's way.

How can a cat produce a cooling effect? Do you make it run in a wheel to turn a compressor? Traditionally hamsters are for that.

And Amish with refridgeration? That would be against their rules surely?

[Peter W.]

> And Amish with refridgeration? That would be against their rules surely?

Not hardly. What the Amish discourage is direct connections to the outside. Keep in mind that Amish tend to be farmers, and tend to do a lot of dairy. So, in order to sell their product, they must comply with safety rules applicable to all farm products. They will use on-site generators for power, Absorption chillers (propane-fired) for cooling, and stationary engines to run fans and other devices via belts or pulleys.

https://amishamerica.com/do-amish-use-electricity/ Some of their farms are incredibly sophisticated in terms of energy use, between turbines, solar panels, even, in some cases, hydropower.

Note also: Amish may use a (Cell) Phone, but may not dial one. And they may ride in a IC vehicle, but may not drive one.

Peter Wieck
Melrose Park, PA

[Commander Kinsey]

On Tue, 08 Nov 2022 11:40:06 -0000, Peter W. <peterw...@gmail.com> wrote:

>> And Amish with refridgeration? That would be against their rules surely?
>
> Not hardly. What the Amish discourage is direct connections to the outside.

I thought it was any machinery. As in a combine harvester, a car, etc. Refridgeration is machinery.

> Keep in mind that Amish tend to be farmers, and tend to do a lot of dairy. So, in order to sell their product, they must comply with safety rules applicable to all farm products. They will use on-site generators for power, Absorption chillers (propane-fired) for cooling, and stationary engines to run fans and other devices via belts or pulleys.

So they go against their own customs to please the morons in power?

> https://amishamerica.com/do-amish-use-electricity/ Some of their farms are incredibly sophisticated in terms of energy use, between turbines, solar panels, even, in some cases, hydropower.
>
> Note also: Amish may use a (Cell) Phone, but may not dial one. And they may ride in a IC vehicle, but may not drive one.

That's illogical and sounds like cheating, like a Jew I know who sets timers for Sunday so he doesn't have to go to the trouble and energy of pushing that really heavy lightswitch.

So this refridgeration is ok as long as they hire a non-Amish bloke to press the power button? I'd love to have that job....

[rbowman]

On Wed, 09 Nov 2022 00:12:08 -0000, Commander Kinsey wrote:

> On Tue, 08 Nov 2022 11:40:06 -0000, Peter W. <peterw...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>>> And Amish with refridgeration? That would be against their rules
>>> surely?
>>
>> Not hardly. What the Amish discourage is direct connections to the
>> outside.
>
> I thought it was any machinery. As in a combine harvester, a car, etc.
> Refridgeration is machinery.

Like they say, it's complicated. There isn't an Amish pope so each colony
has their own rules. One Indiana colony split over whether rubber tires on
a buggy were the work of the Devil.

I loaded furniture at a plant that was was staffed, if not owned, by
Amish. The machinery was modern but when I had to go to another warehouse
the guy loading the truck wouldn't ride over, but galloped across the
fields to meet me there.

Besides furniture, quite a few mid-west RV factories employ Amish.

https://amishamerica.com/why-are-amish-building-rvs/

It's disconcerting to see a guy in the traditional clothing and beard
smoking a cigarette and drinking a can of Coke or a bottle of beer for
that matter. In many ways they're a lot more liberal than some of the
tight-assed Protestant sects derived from Calvinism.

[Peeler]

On 9 Nov 2022 03:48:52 GMT, lowbrowwoman, the endlessly driveling,
troll-feeding, senile idiot, blabbered again:

> Like they say, it's complicated. There isn't an Amish pope so each colony

Is it now about the Amish, you weird endlessly gossiping and driveling
senile Trumptard?

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[Peter W.]

> That's illogical and sounds like cheating, like a Jew I know who sets timers for Sunday so he doesn't have to go to the trouble and energy of pushing that really heavy lightswitch.
>
> So this refridgeration is ok as long as they hire a non-Amish bloke to press the power button? I'd love to have that job....

You must be one very, very blissful person.

[Commander Kinsey]

I don't follow your reasoning.

[Peter W.]

> I don't follow your reasoning.

I expect that you do not - another indication of your blissful state.

[Cursitor Doom]

Where in the Bible does it state they may not dial cellphones and
drive cars?

[Peter W.]

> >Note also: Amish may use a (Cell) Phone, but may not dial one. And they may ride in a IC vehicle, but may not drive one.
> Where in the Bible does it state they may not dial cellphones and
> drive cars?

Another blissful person! The Amish way of life is not based on the Bible, but on their history of persecution before they left Switzerland and later, Germany. There are many peculiarities within the religion - for instance, they eschew buttons and zippers, they are non-violent, use long-guns, but not hand guns, and much more. Again, nothing at all to do with the Bible - but to keep themselves separate from the "English", their generic term for what is Not-Them. They are not Luddites, they are Separatists. They fully understand technology, and use what they must to comply with the law and with codes as they relate to selling their products. But no more. By the way, the technical name of their religion is Anabaptist.

[Cursitor Doom]

Yes, well my question was intended tongue-in-cheek as you presumably
must know. Well, it's an interesting belief system for sure - and as
religions go, a very harmless one from what I can tell. Not many
religions can claim that.

[Tim R]

On Sunday, November 13, 2022 at 8:10:30 AM UTC-5, Peter W. wrote:
> > >Note also: Amish may use a (Cell) Phone, but may not dial one. And they may ride in a IC vehicle, but may not drive one.
> > Where in the Bible does it state they may not dial cellphones and
> > drive cars?
> Another blissful person! The Amish way of life is not based on the Bible, but on their history of persecution before they left Switzerland and later, Germany. There are many peculiarities within the religion - for instance, they eschew buttons and zippers, they are non-violent, use long-guns, but not hand guns, and much more. Again, nothing at all to do with the Bible - but to keep themselves separate from the "English", their generic term for what is Not-Them.

> Peter Wieck
> Melrose Park, PA

I would think most of the Old Testament laws - dietary restrictions, clothing restrictions, circumcision, etc. - are exactly the same. The purpose is simply to maintain a separate identity.

[Peter W.]

> I would think most of the Old Testament laws - dietary restrictions, clothing restrictions, circumcision, etc. - are exactly the same. The purpose is simply to maintain a separate identity.

That is certainly a result, and the typical modern perception of those laws. But, from an historical perspective, their roots are quite practical - and practiced by many contemporary groups for exactly the same reasons:

Dietary laws: Pork and some wild game carries Trichinella, a parasite that causes a very painful disease. Shellfish from warm waters carry multiple diseases, both viral and bacterial. draining animals of their blood greatly increased how long they could be kept. Carnivorous (obligatory vs. opportunistic) birds (including robins) carry all sorts of parasites that vegetarian (not vegan) birds do not. The milk/meat connection is one of the few that is very much behavioral, not practical - and that has to do with some of the pagan animal sacrifice rituals of the time.
Circumcision reduces genital infections - no small thing before antibiotics, practical indoor plumbing, and water-poor environments.
As to Clothing: The basic laws are simple—cover the knees, the elbows, and the collarbone, and don't wear anything skintight. Ever been in the Middle East? Even in the winter, the weather is not very forgiving of exposed skin. In the rainy season (and even Saudi has a rainy season), the mosquitoes, while not as bad as those in Alaska, are pretty nasty and very persistent. Skin-tight - not comfortable at 125F in the shade!

The separate identity expectation is common to many religions, not just the big-three. And the various & sundry rules promulgated to that end Mostly (NOT always) have practical roots that have grown into a life of their own rather than being still connected to their first-causes.

[Commander Kinsey]

I thought only Jews did the barbaric practise of circumcision? Something they should be locked up for.

[Commander Kinsey]

If they truly wanted to stay seperate from the English, they would not sell produce to them. They should make it for only themselves.

[Ian Jackson]

In message <op.1vuuh...@ryzen.home>, Commander Kinsey
<C...@nospam.com> writes

No - also Muslims, and also common in many parts of the world (although
it's mainly the Jews who make a big religious thing of it).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Circumcision
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Ian

[Peeler]

On Sat, 19 Nov 2022 08:24:29 +0000, Idiot Jackson, the notorious,
troll-feeding, senile idiot, driveled again:

> No - also Muslims, and also common in many parts of the world (although
> it's mainly the Jews who make a big religious thing of it).
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Circumcision

WTF has your senile shit got to do with any of the 3 ngs you crossposted it
to, idiot?

[Commander Kinsey]

You'd think religious folk would consider the penis designed correctly by god, so why alter it?

And atheists would consider it correctly evolved for purpose, so why alter it?

[Peter W.]

Just like the appendix!

So, a thought did cross your mind. Must have been a long and lonely journey!

Both blissful and invincible!

[Max Demian]

Why doesn't it retract when not in use, like dogs? And why oh why are
mammalian testicles outside the body? Birds manage with internal testes.

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[Commander Kinsey]

1) It feels good to have it flap about - every gone naked hillwalking or running or swimming?
2) It's a show-off piece.

> And why oh why are
> mammalian testicles outside the body?

Yeah that's daft. Ever sat on your own balls when it's too warm? That hurts.

To be fair unless it's a really warm day, they semi retract. Go ice swimming and they're almost inside.

> Birds manage with internal testes.

I was always told our testes needed to be 36C, not 37C like inside us. Yet a bird is 40C body temperature.

[Peeler]

On Tue, 22 Nov 2022 11:49:53 +0000, Max Dumb, the REAL dumb, notorious,
troll-feeding senile idiot, blathered again:

>
> Why doesn't it retract when not in use, like dogs? And why oh why are
> mammalian testicles outside the body? Birds manage with internal testes.

Oh, and why oh why are both of you bullshitting retarded trolling shitheads?

[Chris Green]

Commander Kinsey <C...@nospam.com> wrote:
>
> > Birds manage with internal testes.
>
> I was always told our testes needed to be 36C, not 37C like inside us.
> Yet a bird is 40C body temperature.

Yes, but why do they need to be a bit cooler than our body
temperature? Wouldn't it make much more sense in evolutionary terms
for them to work properly at body temperature?

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[Commander Kinsey]

Indeed, as I said birds have them operating at 40C, so it's entirely possible for them to work at our 37C.

Maybe it's to attract the female. But in birds the need to not have them causing aerodynamic drag when flying is greater, besides they have pretty feathers to show off instead.

[Peeler]

On Tue, 22 Nov 2022 17:04:26 +0000, Chris Green, the mentally deficient,
notorious, troll-feeding, senile idiot, blathered again:

> Yes, but why do they need to be a bit cooler than our body
> temperature? Wouldn't it make much more sense in evolutionary terms
> for them to work properly at body temperature?

Don't worry, senile sucker of troll cock. The unwashed wanker's cock will
quickly take on the temperature in your mouth!

[Ed Pawlowski]

It is in the works but evolution is slow. Probably will take another
30,000 years to eliminate the scrotum. OTOH, if you piss off you wife
it may be eliminated in one day.

[Tim+]

You’re forgetting sexual selection. Women clearly selected men with ugly
dangly bits. ;-)

Tim

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[Commander Kinsey]

Birds have already done it.

[Commander Kinsey]

Presumably they like them.

Mind you, not sure why so many short-cocked men still exist. The internet says the average is a pathetic 6 inches. If I had 6 inches, it would fall out whenever I drew back a bit.

[Peter W.]

> Mind you, not sure why so many short-cocked men still exist. The internet says the average is a pathetic 6 inches. If I had 6 inches, it would fall out whenever I drew back a bit.

I take back everything about blissful and invincible. Ignorance is curable.

You are, for the record, incurably stupid, and entirely unencumbered by the thought process.

[Rod Speed]

On Tue, 22 Nov 2022 22:49:53 +1100, Max Demian <max_d...@bigfoot.com>
wrote:

You can run the same line about fur, why don't
humans have fur like apes and dogs and cats ?

> And why oh why are mammalian testicles outside the body?

There is some line about that allowing the testicies to be cooler.

> Birds manage with internal testes.

Not sure if birds have the same body temperatures.

Maybe hanging out in the breeze wouldnt work as well with flying animals
like birds, they could get caught on branches etc when landing on a branch.

[Peeler]

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[farter]

Maybe that is easier said than done with the higher mammals.

There has to be a reason that it is so common.

[Peeler]

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[farter]

On Wed, 23 Nov 2022 04:55:34 +1100, Ed Pawlowski <e...@snet.xxx> wrote:

> On 11/22/2022 12:04 PM, Chris Green wrote:
>> Commander Kinsey <C...@nospam.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Birds manage with internal testes.
>>>
>>> I was always told our testes needed to be 36C, not 37C like inside us.
>>> Yet a bird is 40C body temperature.
>> Yes, but why do they need to be a bit cooler than our body
>> temperature? Wouldn't it make much more sense in evolutionary terms
>> for them to work properly at body temperature?
>>
>
> It is in the works but evolution is slow. Probably will take another
> 30,000 years to eliminate the scrotum.

The problem with that line is that the higher mammals like
humans and even cattle and sheep evolved after birds.

[farter]

Doesn't explain cattle, dogs and sheep.

[Bob F]

Better get the GOP working to pass legislation to make it the way you
want it.

[Commander Kinsey]

Somebody has to fix things, the liberal thieves certainly won't.

By the way, Gauntlet Of Power?

[Peeler]

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[Peeler]

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