Is there A New Thing That can Interfere With My WIFI ?

[jurb...@gmail.com]

OK, this has happened to three of these laptops so I will temporsrily rule out a hardware failure

It says "Windows cannot find any networks". The problem is intermittent and can happen again in five minutes or five days.

As this is happening I am remembering something from the past. We bought a cordless camera and set it up and the cordless phones in the house would no longer work, unless you were within inches of the base. This leads me to believe it is some sort of interference. We are taliking three laptops here, and the problem is getting worse. And thsat is cannot find ANY networks means the wifi in the house is probably not going bad, or it would have found the other ones in the neighborhood.

I do not have a spectrum analyzer, but I do have an old YV woith a UHf band if that would help.

See now I am in a state where I don't want to call the ISP because if they semnd me a new MODEM they might say I have to but a new PC because mine is not compatible. I swear the next person who says such shit to me is getting a bullet in the brain. I will hunt them down even if they are in fucking Pakistan.

Last time I went into that it was about a router that I paid good money for and tech support said they no longer supported 98SE so they could not even give me3 a walk through on the phone on how to manually set up my internet access. I said "Hey MF, did my fucking money expire ?". What's more this was AOL on DSL and was $55 a month. But it wasn't their problem. the highest priced end user service in the world and they got nothing to say ? Hello ATT and goodbye AOL.

But anyway if nothing else I will just go buy a CAT5 cable, in fact two and get me old basement box back on the network. But it wouild ne nice to have wifi in the garage.

[Ralph Mowery]

In article <dde6d157-36bc-48bd...@googlegroups.com>,
jurb...@gmail.com says...

There is a way to get a quick and dirty SA for less than $ 20. You buy
one of the usb tv tuners off ebay and download a free program like SD
Sharp.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Digital-USB-TV-Stick-FM-DAB-DVB-T-RTL2832U-
R820T-Support-SDR-Tuner-Receiver-HH-/111777588698?
hash=item1a0676a5da:g:xkYAAOSwVL1V~7Ma

That tuner is for the European type TV signals and not for the ones in
the US. It will turn any computer into a receiver from about 50 MHz to
2 GHz.

[Dave Platt]

In article <dde6d157-36bc-48bd...@googlegroups.com>,

<jurb...@gmail.com> wrote:

>OK, this has happened to three of these laptops so I will temporsrily rule out a
>hardware failure
>
>It says "Windows cannot find any networks". The problem is intermittent and can happen
>again in five minutes or five days.
>
>As this is happening I am remembering something from the past. We bought a cordless
>camera and set it up and the cordless phones in the house would no longer work, unless
>you were within inches of the base. This leads me to believe it is some sort of
>interference. We are taliking three laptops here, and the problem is getting worse. And
>thsat is cannot find ANY networks means the wifi in the house is probably not going bad,
>or it would have found the other ones in the neighborhood.
>
>I do not have a spectrum analyzer, but I do have an old YV woith a UHf band if that would help.

See if you can find a WiFi scanning-and-analysis application which
works with your variety of Windows and your particular WiFi card.
They're sometimes called "site analysis" programs.

Depending on the WiFi adapter, it may be able to read out the noise
level on each of the (overlapping) WiFi channels, as well as any
actual signals it finds.

Microwave ovens emit RF in the same ISM band that WiFi B/G use (2.4
GHz). So do many other devices, including many cordless phones.

[Jeff Liebermann]

On Sun, 11 Jun 2017 23:46:18 -0400, Ralph Mowery
<rmower...@earthlink.net> wrote:

>There is a way to get a quick and dirty SA for less than $ 20. You buy
>one of the usb tv tuners off ebay and download a free program like SD
>Sharp.
>

><http://www.ebay.com/itm/111777588698>

>
>That tuner is for the European type TV signals and not for the ones in
>the US. It will turn any computer into a receiver from about 50 MHz to
>2 GHz.

Doesn't work with Wi-Fi. I've tried it. Two problems:

1. The tuna doesn't tune the required frequency range:
RTL2832U / E4000 64 to 1700MHz with a gap 1100 to 1250MHz
RTL2832U / R820T 24 to optimistically 1850MHz
There are other chip combinations, but I don't think any of them will
tune up to 2500MHz.

2. The maxiumum RX bandwidth is 3.5Mhz. The typical wi-fi signal is
25MHz wide with an option to go to 40MHz. You can try to
asynchronously sweep the larger frequency range, but the display will
be slow and ugly.

There are 2.4GHz RTL-SDR spectrum analyzers that do cover the range
using a modified DirecTV upconverter:
<http://www.rtl-sdr.com/a-demonstration-of-the-rtl-sdr-receiving-wifi-and-2-4-ghz-ism-with-a-modded-sup-2400-downconverter/>
<http://www.rtl-sdr.com/receive-up-to-4-5-ghz-on-your-rtl-sdr-for-5-using-a-directv-downconverter/>
<http://www.ebay.com/sch/items/?_nkw=directv+SUP-2400>
No experience with this, but it looks promising.

You can do better with a converted wireless mouse dongle:
<http://www.metageek.com/products/wi-spy/wi-spy-b.html>
I have the original Wi-Spy dongle. Works ok, but is not terribly
sensitive.
<http://802.11junk.com/jeffl/pics/wireless/Wi-Spy/index.html>

--
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150 Felker St #D http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Santa Cruz CA 95060 http://802.11junk.com
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558

[mike]

Before I spend any money, I'd go to the playstore and put wifi analyzer
on an android device. Might be all you need...maybe...depends.

[Jeff Liebermann]

On Sun, 11 Jun 2017 18:31:10 -0700 (PDT), jurb...@gmail.com wrote:

>OK, this has happened to three of these laptops

>so I will temporsrily rule out a hardware failure.

Hardly. The three laptops have one thing in common. They're all
talking to the same router. Your unspecified model router might be a
problem.

>It says "Windows cannot find any networks". The problem
>is intermittent and can happen again in five minutes or
>five days.

Ok, it might some kind of interference, probably being picked up by
your wireless router. Move it away from the window and put it behind
a wall that keeps your neighbors RF junk from trashing your wi-fi. So
far, the most common and obnoxious sources of interference have been
wireless video security cameras and wireless streaming media players.
You'll see the media player on a wi-fi sniffer, but the video cameras
require a spectrum analyzer. The most common "disconnect" or "can't
connect" problem is out of date firmware on the router.

As "Mike" suggested, sniff around with an Android phone or tablet
running "Wi-Fi Analyzer":
<https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.farproc.wifi.analyzer&hl=en>

Here's a list of possible interference sources which I helped scribble
many years ago:
<http://wireless.navas.us/index.php?title=Wi-Fi#Interference>
The list is old so none of the modern abominations are listed (media
players, wireless TV cameras, portable hot-spots).

>But anyway if nothing else I will just go buy a CAT5 cable...

CAT5e is usually faster and certainly more reliable than wireless.

[jurb...@gmail.com]

>">OK, this has happened to three of these laptops
>so I will temporsrily rule out a hardware failure.

Hardly. The three laptops have one thing in common. They're all
talking to the same router. Your unspecified model router might be a
problem."

''well then that running out is even more temporary. The old router had a good wireless signal, and I had a problem with he interior net, but it would lose the DSL and thus the internet. Howeveer I went hunting around what these Women hooked up and it was quite possible there was a DSL filter in line with the MODEM. This would of course result in a low signal. But not RF. This is RF, I lose the whole network.

I might just pick me up some CAT5 cables and be done with it.
Nobody but me is using the RF, so maybe just shut the shit off.

Cheapest I found CAT 5s was online for like five bucks. At this point I need two of them. They are probably three times that much locally. Maybe I got some of that Yid blood because I really do not want to pay $30 for what I can get for $10.

Not to forget I need like about 75 foot of it.

This is not that much fun. The house has hardwood floors so any drilling is at the corners. I wish I was at MY house where I could just drop a drill wherever I damnwell please. Someone kill me.

Maybe I just go back to wire.

[bitrex]

On 06/11/2017 09:31 PM, jurb...@gmail.com wrote:
> OK, this has happened to three of these laptops so I will temporsrily rule out a hardware failure

Don't, WiFi cards/adapters fail or fail intermittently on the regular.

> It says "Windows cannot find any networks". The problem is intermittent and can happen again in five minutes or five days.
>
> As this is happening I am remembering something from the past. We bought a cordless camera and set it up and the cordless phones in the house would no longer work, unless you were within inches of the base. This leads me to believe it is some sort of interference. We are taliking three laptops here, and the problem is getting worse. And thsat is cannot find ANY networks means the wifi in the house is probably not going bad, or it would have found the other ones in the neighborhood.
>
> I do not have a spectrum analyzer, but I do have an old YV woith a UHf band if that would help.

See if you can set up your access point and devices to use an 802.11
standard that operates on 5 GHz instead of 2.4; I don't know how it is
at your Old Kentucky Home, but in urban/suburban areas around here the
2.4 GHz band is crowded with trash.

There's a program/app available somewhere that lets you input your
home's floor plan and location/parameters of your WiFi router
and it will solve the Helmholtz equation in real time to give you an
idea of where in the home the signal will be strongest

[bitrex]

On 06/12/2017 08:00 AM, bitrex wrote:
> On 06/11/2017 09:31 PM, jurb...@gmail.com wrote:
>> OK, this has happened to three of these laptops so I will temporsrily
>> rule out a hardware failure
>
> Don't, WiFi cards/adapters fail or fail intermittently on the regular.

Should be "WiFi cards/routers", rather

[Cursitor Doom]

On Sun, 11 Jun 2017 21:24:39 -0700, Dave Platt wrote:

> Microwave ovens emit RF in the same ISM band that WiFi B/G use (2.4
> GHz). So do many other devices, including many cordless phones.

Microwave ovens knock my connection *clean* out, even if the oven is 3
times further away than the 'puter from the wireless router. The
screening they use in modern ovens is obviously not very effective.
Perhaps the OP has a new neighbour moved in with a uWave?

[Cursitor Doom]

On Mon, 12 Jun 2017 02:58:31 -0700, jurb6006 wrote:

> Not to forget I need like about 75 foot of it.

Always amazes me how they put xGhz through CAT5 over *long* runs with
negligible loss. But TX line theory was never my strong point and I
really should brush-up on it.

[pf...@aol.com]

Our neighbors just installed one of the wire-free security systems in their house, after which WiFi on that end of the house ceased to work, full stop. For $22 from Amazon, we purchased a 'signal booster' that solved the problem quickly and easily. Our neighbors offered to pay for it, but we declined. They are very good neighbors, and we needed to do something anyway as the distance from one end of the house to the other is just under 60 feet. Add 11 feet floor-to-floor, and it adds up. Put another way, the west side of our house is closer to our neighbor than to our WiFi device.

But, it could be something as simple as that - a system nearby that is stepping on your network. And, that can be anything from a Roomba to a Nest thermostat - or one of the new wireless security systems.

Our very-vintage desktop is hard-wired and has no issues at all. The rest of the devices (cell phones, laptop and tablets) are WiFi, and fine, now, with the booster.

https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/31GZ3ESs8ML._SL500_AC_SS350_.jpg

One of these.

Sometimes, one has to quit whining and get with the program.

Peter Wieck
Melrose Park, PA

[Foxs Mercantile]

On 6/12/2017 7:58 AM, Cursitor Doom wrote:
> Always amazes me how they put xGhz through CAT5 over *long* runs
> with negligible loss. But TX line theory was never my strong
> point and I really should brush-up on it.

Cat5 doesn't work that well with 1000Base-T
Minimum requirement is Cat5e or better.
<http://www.cablek.com/technical-reference/cat-5---5e--6--6a---7--standards>

The "big thing" with the faster cables is the specified slightly
different "twists per inch" of the pairs to cut down on the amount
of cross talk between pairs.

More on twisted pair in general:
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twisted_pair>

Information like this, however, is wasted on jurb6006 because he
already knows everything about everything. Until he doesn't. Then
his solution is to put a bullet in it, or blame the government.




--
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http://www.foxsmercantile.com

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[pf...@aol.com]

On Monday, June 12, 2017 at 10:18:45 AM UTC-4, Foxs Mercantile wrote:

>
> Information like this, however, is wasted on jurb6006 because he
> already knows everything about everything. Until he doesn't. Then
> his solution is to put a bullet in it, or blame the government.
>

Mpffff... we just got back from a tour of Cuba (mostly Havana), and after experiencing "High Tech" there, such complaints as I see here are laughable. We got 'internet' in the morning from about 7:00 am to about 9:00 am, when the bandwidth was sucked up by 'official' uses such as government and schools. Downloading a single page took perhaps an hour, and uploading - well, forget it. Cell coverage (ATT/Verizon/T-Mobile) was excellent, however. But at $3 per minute for phone, and $0.50 per outgoing or incoming text. But, one could purchase a SIM Card for about $10 CUC to solve that. We left our devices on Airplane Mode and enjoyed the quiet.

Yes, we did ride in several 1950s Taxis. One, a Buick with a Mercedes drive-train, the other a Ford with a Mitsubishi drive-train (both diesel). And, the rum, of course.

[Wond]

On Sun, 11 Jun 2017 18:31:10 -0700, jurb6006 wrote:

> OK, this has happened to three of these laptops so I will temporsrily
> rule out a hardware failure
>
> It says "Windows cannot find any networks". The problem is intermittent
> and can happen again in five minutes or five days.
>
> As this is happening I am remembering something from the past. We bought
> a cordless camera and set it up and the cordless phones in the house
> would no longer work, unless you were within inches of the base. This
> leads me to believe it is some sort of interference. We are taliking
> three laptops here, and the problem is getting worse. And thsat is
> cannot find ANY networks means the wifi in the house is probably not
> going bad, or it would have found the other ones in the neighborhood.
>
> I do not have a spectrum analyzer, but I do have an old YV woith a UHf
> band if that would help.
>

(snip)
I would try doing an RF search with NetStumbler software, or InSSIDer,
or both.

[bitrex]

On 06/12/2017 10:18 AM, Foxs Mercantile wrote:

> Information like this, however, is wasted on jurb6006 because he
> already knows everything about everything. Until he doesn't. Then
> his solution is to put a bullet in it, or blame the government.

lol it's funny because it's' true

[Foxs Mercantile]

Maybe he should just spray everything with WD-40.

[bitrex]

On 06/12/2017 11:27 AM, Foxs Mercantile wrote:
> On 6/12/2017 10:01 AM, bitrex wrote:
>> On 06/12/2017 10:18 AM, Foxs Mercantile wrote:
>>
>>> Information like this, however, is wasted on jurb6006 because he
>>> already knows everything about everything. Until he doesn't. Then
>>> his solution is to put a bullet in it, or blame the government.
>>
>> lol it's funny because it's' true
>
> Maybe he should just spray everything with WD-40.
>

Better yet, Sherwin Williams:

<https://pittsburghorbit.files.wordpress.com/2015/06/sherwin-williams-logo.png>

[Jeff Liebermann]

On Mon, 12 Jun 2017 02:58:31 -0700 (PDT), jurb...@gmail.com wrote:

>The old router had a good wireless signal, and I had a problem
>with he interior net, but it would lose the DSL and thus the
>internet. Howeveer I went hunting around what these Women hooked
>up and it was quite possible there was a DSL filter in line
>with the MODEM. This would of course result in a low signal.
>But not RF. This is RF, I lose the whole network.

Are you allergic to supplying equipment makers names and model
numbers? It's really difficult to visualize your problem without that
information. Also, some routers have a reputationg for flaky
connections, such most everything Comcast calls a "gateway".

The DSL filter has nothing to do with the wi-fi connection.

>I might just pick me up some CAT5 cables and be done with it.
>Nobody but me is using the RF, so maybe just shut the shit off.

Whatever works for you.

>Cheapest I found CAT 5s was online for like five bucks. At
>this point I need two of them. They are probably three times
>that much locally. Maybe I got some of that Yid blood because
>I really do not want to pay $30 for what I can get for $10.

You don't know the first thing about being a Jewish negotiator. Around
here CAT5e can be found by the roll at the recyclers. The building
installers dump their surplus stock after each job. Typical is about
$0.05 to $0.10 per foot. However, I have to be careful so that I
don't end up with plenum cable, waterproof cable filled with sticky
goo, or shielded which never seems to fit the connectors. Caveat
Emptor.

>Not to forget I need like about 75 foot of it.

Buy 100ft. Having extra cable is always better than too short.
Measure twice, cut once. In your case, maybe measure 5 times.

>This is not that much fun. The house has hardwood floors so any
>drilling is at the corners. I wish I was at MY house where I
>could just drop a drill wherever I damnwell please. Someone kill me.

Temporarily remove the baseboard trim near where you want the cable to
go through the floor. Drill as close to the wall as possible. Use a
drill that is much longer than you probably own so that you can go
through a floor joist if necessary. Notch the back of the baseboard
trim and run the cable up to a "muffin" jack (box with RJ45
receptacle). Replace baseboard trim.

>Maybe I just go back to wire.

There are also HomePlug adapters. Figure on about $80/pair.
<https://www.netgear.com/home/products/networking/powerline/>
I use these when I'm either desperate or lazy. They work but are a
problem if the wall jacks are on two different phases.

[Mike Tomlinson]

En el artículo <626c90b7-4305-4caa...@googlegroups.com>,
jurb...@gmail.com escribió:

>it was quite possible there was a DSL filter in line with the
>MODEM. This would of course result in a low signal

Nope. The "filter" puts the line pair straight through to the router.
What it is filtering is the voice frequencies for the phone.

>I might just pick me up some CAT5 cables and be done with it.

Do it. It'll fix your problem for sure.

>Not to forget I need like about 75 foot of it.

fuck's sake. Buy a 305ft reel, run the cable and terminate it yourself.
it isn't hard.

>Maybe I just go back to wire.

Or an abacus.

--
(\_/)
(='.'=) "Between two evils, I always pick
(")_(") the one I never tried before." - Mae West

[Mike Tomlinson]

En el artículo <ohm7s0$bcg$1...@gioia.aioe.org>, Foxs Mercantile
<jda...@att.net> escribió:

>Information like this, however, is wasted on jurb6006 because he
>already knows everything about everything. Until he doesn't. Then
>his solution is to put a bullet in it, or blame the government.

I guess he lives in one of the redneck states.

[Mike Tomlinson]

En el artículo <ohmbsm$ir4$2...@gioia.aioe.org>, Foxs Mercantile
<jda...@att.net> escribió:

>Maybe he should just spray everything with an AK-47

Fixed that for you (but it's a commie weapon!!)

[Foxs Mercantile]

On 6/12/2017 12:49 PM, Mike Tomlinson wrote:
> En el artículo <ohm7s0$bcg$1...@gioia.aioe.org>, Foxs Mercantile
> <jda...@att.net> escribió:
>
>> Information like this, however, is wasted on jurb6006 because he
>> already knows everything about everything. Until he doesn't. Then
>> his solution is to put a bullet in it, or blame the government.
>
> I guess he lives in one of the redneck states.

Unfortunately "redneck states" don't have a lock on stupid.
It's everywhere.

[Foxs Mercantile]

On 6/12/2017 12:50 PM, Mike Tomlinson wrote:
> En el artículo <ohmbsm$ir4$2...@gioia.aioe.org>, Foxs Mercantile
> <jda...@att.net> escribió:
>
>> Maybe he should just spray everything with an AK-47
>
> Fixed that for you (but it's a commie weapon!!)

But...It's real popular with "real 'murkins" 'cause the
gubmint hates 'em.

[pf...@aol.com]

On Monday, June 12, 2017 at 2:11:20 PM UTC-4, Foxs Mercantile wrote:

>
> Unfortunately "redneck states" don't have a lock on stupid.
> It's everywhere.

True. But in the Redneck states there is only limited moderation in its application.

At the same time, the amount of firepower in our little historically Jewish plurality quite liberal Philadelphia suburban neighborhood is not insignificant. Those who are former or children of, or affected directly by Holocaust Victims tend to not want such things to repeat themselves. Brownshirts and their ilk would not do well around here.

[Jon Elson]

Ralph Mowery wrote:


> There is a way to get a quick and dirty SA for less than $ 20. You buy
> one of the usb tv tuners off ebay and download a free program like SD
> Sharp.
>

Yes, but these do not cover the Wi-Fi frequencies.

Jon

[Jon Elson]

jurb...@gmail.com wrote:

>>">OK, this has happened to three of these laptops
>>so I will temporsrily rule out a hardware failure.

Set up a wi-fi access point on one of the computers. This is generally just
a software package that needs to be enabled. (depends on OS)

Then, using that A.P., see how far other computers can be and still work.
Either your router is dying (possible) or there is an interference source.
That could be ANYTHING! Could be a bad CFL lamp, an LED lamp, cell phone,
computer, some piece of computer/camera/video/entertainment equipment, or
even some home appliance. These Wi-Fi signals are intentionally VERY weak,
so it doesn't take a whole lot to interfere with them.

The only way to find the interference is to turn everything off, one at a
time, or maybe the two laptops talking to each other could help you locate
it to a specific room. Of course, if it is from outside, then you may have
a HECK of a time dealing with it.

I'm forced to use Wi-Fi when traveling, but use wired at home and work,
because for the most part, it JUST WORKS. Also, some hotels have wired
Ethernet ports available, and their Wi-Fi runs at 100KBits/second
intermittently, but their Ethernet jacks run at full speed all day.

Jon

[Pat]

On Mon, 12 Jun 2017 12:55:34 -0000 (UTC), Cursitor Doom
<cu...@notformail.com> wrote:

>The screening they use in modern ovens is obviously not very effective.

It's all relative. Microwave ovens can produce a thousand watts of RF
inside the box. Wifi signals are usually in tens of milliwatts. A
very effective shield can still leak enough to cause problems.

[Jeff Liebermann]

On Mon, 12 Jun 2017 14:44:45 -0000 (UTC), Wond <gboot...@gmx.com>
wrote:

> I would try doing an RF search with NetStumbler software, or InSSIDer,
>or both.

Netstumbler 0.4.0 was last updated in 2004 and only runs on Win 2000
and XP.
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NetStumbler>
Perhaps something modern would be more useful:
<https://www.google.com/#q=wireless+sniffer>

[mike]

On 6/12/2017 10:48 AM, Mike Tomlinson wrote:

>
> Nope. The "filter" puts the line pair straight through to the router.
> What it is filtering is the voice frequencies for the phone.
>

Not clear from that sentence, but methinks you might have it backwards.
My DSL never went "through" the filter. Filter prevents the phone
stuff from degrading the DSL signal by isolating each phone device
at RF frequencies required by DSL.

>
>> Maybe I just go back to wire.
>
> Or an abacus.
>

When you badmouth someone, you should be sure your advice
is absolutely correct and stated clearly. Otherwise, you just look...

[jurb...@gmail.com]

>"Better yet, Sherwin Williams: "

that shit is garbage. It is barely above the quality of Glidden and its knockoffs you find at the dollar store. You want real paint get Benjamin Moore. Even better is Pratt Lambert but they make mostly bridge paint and shit like that, they might not have your favorite color or texture.

[jurb...@gmail.com]

>"Are you allergic to supplying equipment makers names and model
numbers?"

Actually I haqev gotten to the point of tolerating almost anything.

I forgot the make but it is a 4110n.

[Bennett Price]

On 6/11/2017 6:31 PM, jurb...@gmail.com wrote:
> OK, this has happened to three of these laptops so I will temporsrily rule out a hardware failure
>
> It says "Windows cannot find any networks". The problem is intermittent and can happen again in five minutes or five days.
>
> As this is happening I am remembering something from the past. We bought a cordless camera and set it up and the cordless phones in the house would no longer work, unless you were within inches of the base. This leads me to believe it is some sort of interference. We are taliking three laptops here, and the problem is getting worse. And thsat is cannot find ANY networks means the wifi in the house is probably not going bad, or it would have found the other ones in the neighborhood.
>
> I do not have a spectrum analyzer, but I do have an old YV woith a UHf band if that would help.
>

> See now I am in a state where I don't want to call the ISP because if they semnd me a new MODEM they might say I have to but a new PC because mine is not compatible. I swear the next person who says such shit to me is getting a bullet in the brain. I will hunt them down even if they are in fucking Pakistan.
>
> Last time I went into that it was about a router that I paid good money for and tech support said they no longer supported 98SE so they could not even give me3 a walk through on the phone on how to manually set up my internet access. I said "Hey MF, did my fucking money expire ?". What's more this was AOL on DSL and was $55 a month. But it wasn't their problem. the highest priced end user service in the world and they got nothing to say ? Hello ATT and goodbye AOL.
>
> But anyway if nothing else I will just go buy a CAT5 cable, in fact two and get me old basement box back on the network. But it wouild ne nice to have wifi in the garage.
>
What happens if you put the computers really close to the router? You
don't say at what distances you're experiencing no connection or
dropouts. If you can maintain a good connection a foot away, it's
likely that both PC and router are OK.

[Jeff Liebermann]

On Mon, 12 Jun 2017 20:38:00 -0700 (PDT), jurb...@gmail.com wrote:

>>"Are you allergic to supplying equipment makers names and model
>numbers?"

>Actually I haqev gotten to the point of tolerating almost anything.

Good. I'll ramp it up a notch. But later... I have a customers
machine almost done and need to burglarize their office tonite to
reinstall it. Driving you insane can wait.

>I forgot the make but it is a 4110n.

Google search finds three different printers, an Adtran ISDN modem, a
Cisco security appliance, and a bunch of other stuff that use that
number. Could you be a little less [deleted expletive] vague?

[jurb...@gmail.com]

>"Could you be a little less [deleted expletive] vague?"

You don't have to delete anything. But we got it all and were taught not to use certain words in school n shit. The adults also never talked down to us.

But now I see my mistake. It is not a 4110 it is a 4111n, and Pace is the make. Sorry, but sometimes I have trouble remembering my name.

This is the second one of these they sent us, the other one which was a different model always seemed to have good RF but it was losing the DSL carrier on the line.

Actually now I am trying to get a fax on the tomes of these outages. It almost seems like cellphone peak time but not quite.

Damifino.

[Jeff Liebermann]

On Mon, 12 Jun 2017 23:46:39 -0700 (PDT), jurb...@gmail.com wrote:

>>"Could you be a little less [deleted expletive] vague?"
>
>You don't have to delete anything. But we got it all and
>were taught not to use certain words in school n shit.
>The adults also never talked down to us.

I missed the standard American education in applied profanity. So I
found other ways to be insulting, denigrating, tactless, insulting,
etc. It is quite possible to accomplish these things without
reference to sex practices and body waste elimination practices. For
example, if I were to indicate that you might be mistaken, I would
merely suggest that your cranium is firmly embedded in your posterior
rectal outflow orifice.

>But now I see my mistake. It is not a 4110 it is a 4111n,
>and Pace is the make. Sorry, but sometimes I have trouble
>remembering my name.

<https://www.amazon.com/Modem-4111n-Broadband-Gateway-Packaging/dp/B009WEZ1BS>
<https://www.att.com/accessories/specialty-items/pace-dsl-gateway-model-4111n.html>
Customer comments at:
<https://www.amazon.com/Modem-4111n-Broadband-Gateway-Packaging/dp/B009WEZ1BS>
are evenly divided between "it's great" and "it sucks". Most of the
complaints seem to revolve around the wireless section. Hmmm...

I see a few of these in the area on AT&T DSL. I don't see much of a
problem with them. I did have one with wireless disconnect problems,
but that was solved by installing a 2nd wireless router, configured as
an access point, to handle the wireless.

>This is the second one of these they sent us, the other
>one which was a different model always seemed to have
>good RF but it was losing the DSL carrier on the line.

Ever consider using a seperate modem and wireless router? That's what
I like, but customers consider the extra boxes and wires rather messy.
For DSL, I use:
<https://www.netgear.com/home/products/networking/dsl-modems-routers/DM111PSP.aspx>
For U-verse (IPDSL), I'm stuck with whatever AT&T offers.
For routers, whatever I happen to like. This week it's Asus RT-AC66U.
Better to switch (hardware) than to continue the battle with the
4111n.

>Actually now I am trying to get a fax on the tomes of
>these outages. It almost seems like cellphone peak
>time but not quite.

Do you have U-Verse (IPDSL) service?

[pf...@aol.com]

On Tuesday, June 13, 2017 at 1:11:40 PM UTC-4, Jeff Liebermann wrote:

>
> I missed the standard American education in applied profanity. So I
> found other ways to be insulting, denigrating, tactless, insulting,
> etc. It is quite possible to accomplish these things without
> reference to sex practices and body waste elimination practices. For
> example, if I were to indicate that you might be mistaken, I would
> merely suggest that your cranium is firmly embedded in your posterior
> rectal outflow orifice.

I find that invective is most fun when clean. However, with some individuals, even the most massive clue-sticks are wasted. One of my favorite applicable expressions is one used by the "Car-Talk" guys - unencumbered by the thought process. Which goes well over the head of most to whom it applies.

Or, "You do have a point. However, if you comb your hair just right, perhaps no one will notice." "So, a thought crossed your mind? Must have been a long and lonely journey."

[jurb...@gmail.com]

>"Do you have U-Verse (IPDSL) service? "

Nope, just simple DSL and a land line which doesn't even have long distance, we use cellphones for that.

[Gunther Heiko Hagen]

On Mon, 12 Jun 2017 16:47:37 -0700, mike wrote:

> When you badmouth someone, you should be sure your advice is absolutely
> correct and stated clearly. Otherwise, you just look...

...like Phil Allison. >;-}

[Mike Tomlinson]

En el artículo <ohn935$lpn$1...@dont-email.me>, mike <ham...@netzero.net>
escribió:

>Not clear from that sentence, but methinks you might have it backwards.

No. The line pair is connected straight through to the router (modem).
A low-pass filter is used to present the voice frequencies to a POTS
device and prevents it interfering with the DSL signal.

http://tinyurl.com/yafocw6s

>When you badmouth someone, you should be sure your advice
>is absolutely correct and stated clearly. Otherwise, you just look...

You need to take your own advice. I shan't wait for your apology.

[Jeff Liebermann]

On Tue, 13 Jun 2017 15:03:28 -0700 (PDT), jurb...@gmail.com wrote:

>>"Do you have U-Verse (IPDSL) service? "
>
>Nope, just simple DSL and a land line which doesn't even have long distance, we use cellphones for that.

Fine. Throw everything out and start over.

Buy a DSL modem (not router) that supports ADSL2+. I like Netgear
DM111PSPv2:
<https://www.netgear.com/home/products/networking/dsl-modems-routers/DM111PSP.aspx>
<http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_nkw=DM111PSP+v2>
Make sure you get the PSPv2 mutation, not v1 or earlier models. Say
goodbye to about $20 total.

Then go shopping for a wireless router that actually works. Lots to
choose from. I suggest Asus RT-AC66U.
<http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_nkw=RT-AC66U>
You probably don't need 802.11ac support. However, there's a problem
with the RT-N66U, which does everything except 802.11ac. It
overheats. I got it to work by mounting it vertically (it comes with
a plastic stand for vertical mounting) but would prefer to pay a few
dollars more so I can mount is anywhere. Say goodbye to about $70.

If you're cheap and or like to complain some more, I've been using
Linksys EA-2700 routers. They do everything right except that the
wireless range is not so great. However, they're cheap:
<http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_nkw=linksys+ea2700>
at about $20 total.

Be sure to upgrade the firmware to the latest in both boxes before
complaining again on this newsgroup. The time you save will probably
be mine. If you decide to go this route, I have some other
suggestions and comments.

Please remember that RF is magic and that if you're not a magician,
you don't stand a chance.

[Jeff Liebermann]

On Tue, 13 Jun 2017 20:06:55 -0700, Jeff Liebermann <je...@cruzio.com>
wrote:
(blah-blah-blah)

I forgot one item. My guess(tm) is that you have microfilters
scattered around the house to isolate the POTS audio from the DSL
tones. That's fine if you use decent filters and have decent inside
wiring, which are problematic. So, to avoid the problems caused by
plugging the filters in backwards, ratty wiring, missing filters, and
noise pickup for light dimmers, AM radio stations, and similar EMI, I
suggest you get a whole house DSL filter. I like the Siecor style
xDSL outdoor splitters:
<http://www.ebay.com/itm/Siecor-DSL-Outdoor-Pots-Splitter-Housing-/361886025837>
<http://802.11junk.com/jeffl/pics/dsl/slides/splitter.html>
<http://www.ebay.com/itm/SUTTLE-OUTDOOR-XDSL-POTS-SPLITTER/201944066409>
Install the box near the MPOE (minimum point of entry) to the POTS
line. Run a dedicated pair or CAT5 from this DSL splitter to your DSL
modem. Remove all your DSL microfilters. Live happily ever after.

[Foxs Mercantile]

On 6/13/2017 10:20 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
> So, to avoid the problems caused by plugging the filters in
> backwards, ratty wiring, missing filters, and noise pickup
> for light dimmers, AM radio stations, and similar EMI, I
> suggest you get a whole house DSL filter.

I had a similar problem with a friend's house in Culver City,
CA. You could listen to KHJ at one end of the house and KNX
at the other end of the house. Proper wiring solved that.

Or if you have a relatively NOT ancient MPOE box, install one
of these:
<http://www.ebay.com/itm/352026490188>

When I moved to Texas, I moved into a 75 year old house. The
phone wiring was a mixture of "anything that pours" so to
speak, and was a combination of star and daisy chain wiring.

I abandoned all of it and ran new Cat5e to a punch down block
in a closet. When I switched from cable to AT&T U-Verse, I
added the above mentioned MPOE filter.

I put the AT&T Modem in a central location so that the WiFi
signal was good through the entire house.

I used my obsolete stash of Cat3 for the phone lines and
Cat5e for the network lines.

I did the same thing with my shop down the street.

I have zero problems with either the phones or the network.

"Life is tough. It's even tougher when you're stupid."
Sgt. Stryker

[mike]

On 6/13/2017 7:13 PM, Mike Tomlinson wrote:
> En el artículo <ohn935$lpn$1...@dont-email.me>, mike <ham...@netzero.net>
> escribió:
>
>> Not clear from that sentence, but methinks you might have it backwards.
>
> No. The line pair is connected straight through to the router (modem).
> A low-pass filter is used to present the voice frequencies to a POTS
> device and prevents it interfering with the DSL signal.

Yep, and if you'd said that to begin with...clear description...

[mako...@yahoo.com]

On Tuesday, June 13, 2017 at 6:03:31 PM UTC-4, jurb...@gmail.com wrote:
> >"Do you have U-Verse (IPDSL) service? "
>
> Nope, just simple DSL and a land line which doesn't even have long distance, we use cellphones for that.

How do you know your issue is the WiFi and not the DSL.
If you connect a computer via Ethernet directly to the router, does it work?

I had many intermittent issues with DSL caused by many kinds of electrical interference between me and the central office. DSL used to go out in the evening when the streets lights all fired up.

m

[Jon Elson]

If you have several laptops (or even a printer on the WiFi) you can ping
between devices to check if the WiFi is communicating, without having to
have the DSL working. So, you can identify which part of the network is
out.

Jon

[pf...@aol.com]

OK - this horse is dead, flayed, flensed, tanned, rendered, dried, peppered, salted and jerked.

For the typical user, the problems described herein would have been solved in less time than the OP took to make the initial post.

The less typical user would have taken at least some of the advice given in the first half-dozen (non-snarky) responses and solved the problem within 24 hours.

That it has gone on this long indicates that the OP is neither typical, less typical nor even trainable, but a bottomless pit of need without the capacity to understand the actual situation.

Ah, well.

[jurb...@gmail.com]

>"OK - this horse is dead, flayed, flensed, tanned, rendered, dried, peppered, salted and jerked. "

And it seems to have fixed itself. Connection is solid as a rock now.

That leads me to believe that it was interference and whether it was the other or me, something adapted. After all if it interfered with me I probably interfered with it.

[Paul Hovnanian P.E.]

Have you tried going into the WiFi hub's configuration page and changing the
channel number (frequency)? If there is some local interference, you might
be able to move to a clear channel.

--
Paul Hovnanian mailto:Pa...@Hovnanian.com
------------------------------------------------------------------
If it wasn't for physics and law enforcement, I would be unstoppable!

[bruce2...@gmail.com]

On Monday, 6/12/17 at 10:18AM, Foxs Mercantile wrote:
>
> Information like this, however, is wasted on jurb6006 because he
> already knows everything about everything. Until he doesn't. Then
> his solution is to put a bullet in it, or blame the government.

And almost everyone else here is probably similarly-minded, but just doesn't say so.

Sometimes you just have to continue shutting-off and un-plugging things in your house (maybe even elsewhere, too) until you find the interference source.
Always get the help-desk operator's name and number and give him/her your's, too
(the story then tends to go in your favor drastically)

[bruce2...@gmail.com]

And regardless of the brand, who's bothering to strip-down or pressure-wash the surface with soap and water?