Re: Lead free solder
ian field
"Baron" <baron....@linuxmaniac.nospam.net> wrote in message
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> Hi Guys,
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> Just for the record here's a few pictures of a laptop power socket that
> used lead free solder. You can see the erosion caused by poor
> electrical conductivity of the joint between the center pin and the
> circuit board. The hole was originally plated through but there was
> little left of the plating. An open circuit and discharged battery
> resulted in a non working machine.
>
> The images don't show in "ser" check
> in "alt.binaries.schematics.electronic"
I just got through repairing the accumulation of PC monitors I'd taken out
of service because of lead-free solder syndrome.
Most people scrap them and buy a new one - not very eco-friendly at all!
WangoTango
gangprob...@ntlworld.com says...
And *THAT* is the worse part.
It was a bunch of regulations to fix a problem that didn't exist, only
to created a REAL problem with reliability.
ian field
"WangoTango" <Asga...@mindspring.com> wrote in message
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The tragedy is that lead is no longer made into the relatively stable and
less bio-available alloy; solder.
Baron
I agree, its a shame, all that nice kit that gets dumped because its
cheaper to replace than repair. In my case the pictures were the
product of doing a repair.
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Best Regards:
Baron.
sparky
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Lead free solder was invented by the government since they knew it
would create more jobs (taxes) as the lead free solder caused trouble
and things were thrown out instead of being repaired.
ian field
"sparky" <spar...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Why would a European government want to create more jobs in China?!!!
AZ Nomad
>Lead free solder was invented by the government since they knew it
>would create more jobs (taxes) as the lead free solder caused trouble
>and things were thrown out instead of being repaired.
surface mount, package pin densities, and labor costs have guaranteed
that almost nothing is repaired beyond the board level making solder type
irrelevent. Even board level repairs are unlikely when the cost of
repairing an item is far higher than its replacement cost.
Leadfree solder was created not to cause electronics be discarded
instead of repaired, but *because* electronics were being discarded in
great numbers. Even for items that can be repaired, they frequently
aren't repaired because anything older than about 18 months is
obsolete in the mind of the consumer.
Smitty Two
AZ Nomad <azno...@PremoveOBthisOX.COM> wrote:
Which is why, to stray completely off-topic, we should replace income
tax with a national sales tax. Let the 95% of the masses who are
compulsive consumers foot the bill.
AZ Nomad
Sorry. I didn't know I was responsding to a lunatic.
klem kedidelhopper
> On Wed, 26 May 2010 08:47:05 -0700, Smitty Two <prestwh...@earthlink.net> wrote:
> >In article <slrnhvqfec.atf.aznoma...@ip70-176-155-130.ph.ph.cox.net>,
> > AZ Nomad <aznoma...@PremoveOBthisOX.COM> wrote:
> >> On Wed, 26 May 2010 05:25:21 -0700 (PDT), sparky <sparky...@yahoo.com> wrote:
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> >> >Lead free solder was invented by the government since they knew it
> >> >would create more jobs (taxes) as the lead free solder caused trouble
> >> >and things were thrown out instead of being repaired.
>
> >> surface mount, package pin densities, and labor costs have guaranteed
> >> that almost nothing is repaired beyond the board level making solder type
> >> irrelevent. Even board level repairs are unlikely when the cost of
> >> repairing an item is far higher than its replacement cost.
>
> >> Leadfree solder was created not to cause electronics be discarded
> >> instead of repaired, but *because* electronics were being discarded in
> >> great numbers. Even for items that can be repaired, they frequently
> >> aren't repaired because anything older than about 18 months is
> >> obsolete in the mind of the consumer.
> >Which is why, to stray completely off-topic, we should replace income
> >tax with a national sales tax. Let the 95% of the masses who are
> >compulsive consumers foot the bill.
>
> Sorry. I didn't know I was responsding to a lunatic.
Sorry too but I think that these "lunatics" make a whole lot of sense.
I am one of the 5 percent who tries not to purchase anything new today
because unfortunately "new" has become synonomous with "crap". Nobody
wants you to repair anything anymore. Either the parts are so
ridiculously expensive or they're just not available. I stocked up on
lead solder a long time ago so that I'll be able to repair all my
older reliable "hazardous" electronics well into the future, until the
government makes all repair parts unavailable or comes into my house
with a search warrant for lead based solder that is. So for the time
being, fuck them and the horse their "stimulus package" rode in on.
BTW how is the US military handling this reliability problem? They
wouldn't usually care too much about a small item like lead
poisoning...
N_Cook
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oooooooo
Military,aerospace, medical have a derogation to allow continued use of
leaded solder but obtaining de-tinned components is a problem so a whole new
side-industry detinning stuff. Derogations give the game away concerning the
conspiratorial nature. Not sure if auto industry has a derogation though.
ian field
"klem kedidelhopper" <captainvi...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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The fuckwits who introduced the legislation are well aware that equipment
made with lead free solder isn't safe, so aerospace, automotive, military
and medical are exempt.
Oppie
and have to play by their rules.
"Baron" <baron....@linuxmaniac.nospam.net> wrote in message
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> Hi Guys,
>
> Just for the record here's a few pictures of a laptop power socket that
> used lead free solder. You can see the erosion caused by poor
> electrical conductivity of the joint between the center pin and the
> circuit board. The hole was originally plated through but there was
> little left of the plating. An open circuit and discharged battery
> resulted in a non working machine.
>
> The images don't show in "ser" check
> in "alt.binaries.schematics.electronic"
>
> --
> Best Regards:
> Baron.
>
Arfa Daily
"ian field" <gangprob...@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
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Amen to that ...
Arfa
AZ Nomad
>Amen to that ...
Is there a big problem with consumers buying cheap aerospace,
automotive, military or medical electronics and filling the landfills
with them?
ian field
"AZ Nomad" <azno...@PremoveOBthisOX.COM> wrote in message
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There are legal directives compelling that waste electronic equipment be
collected at disposal sites and processed for recovery of metals and any
other recyclable materials, so it makes no difference what specification it
was originally built to.
I'd be more concerned by the thousands of miles of abandoned (and some still
in use!) lead water pipes still in the ground, rain run off from lead
roofing sheets and hoorah-henries/rednecks peppering agricultural land with
lead shot.
Cydrome Leader
is there really a big problem with lead from electronics pouring out of
landfills?
I doubt it. the whole rohs thing and europeans are just stupid.
Cydrome Leader
It's funny as I saw what looked like lead water pipes being installed in
italy in the 1980s.
That's how clever and advanced they are in europe.
ian field
"Cydrome Leader" <pres...@MUNGEpanix.com> wrote in message
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Actually the Romans invented lead plumbing.
ian field
"Cydrome Leader" <pres...@MUNGEpanix.com> wrote in message
Only insofar as we obey the braindead wankers in Brussels!
Baron
Yup ! We've been using it since they left...
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Best Regards:
Baron.
Cydrome Leader
Ever been to brussels?
It's one of the most dirty run down cities I've ever seen.
They also can't line up the train platforms with any of the trains either.
It's really sad.
ian field
"Cydrome Leader" <pres...@MUNGEpanix.com> wrote in message
Pretty much says it all, that!
klem kedidelhopper
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> >>>> On Mon, 31 May 2010 10:50:32 +0100, Arfa Daily
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This whole thing was somebody's brilliant brain fart to create some
jobs for people who might be otherwise unemployed. Looks good on the
surface but once you cut through all the bullshit and realize who
really is in bed with whom it projects a whole different image. My
wife thinks I'm paranoid, talking about conspiracy theories and what
not but this whole lead free business as well as the so called
recycling crap we deal with here in the US is all just another aspect
of the great stimulus package we have all had stuffed down our
throats. I'm all for recycling, if it is employed but too often it
just isn't. Three years ago we replaced the asphalt shingles on the
roof of our house. There was 3 tons of shingles to be recycled. I
could have dug a hole and buried them in my back yard, but wanting to
do the "green" thing I took them to the recycling station. This is
supposed to be an environmentally friendly way to dispose of this type
of "hazardous" waste. So I thought that there was going to be some
grand scheme of a procedure for the disposal of this "horrible toxic
hazardous stuff". I paid 350.00 for the privilege of dumping them on a
pile of household trash that was slated to be buried at another
location later on. So it is apparently OK to bury this kind of thing
in one place and not another? Or is it simply a matter of who is
getting greased at one place and not the other? This is always all
about money. Very simply put somebody is raking it in while someone
else is paying through the nose. That's the way we make it look good
on paper. Lenny