HP LaserJet 5L is streaking, how to 'clean' up?
Robert Macy
The streaks are horizontal [perpendicular] to the paper path.
At first, I thought this was happening as the printer cartridge was
running out, but upon putting in another one and only getting 1 clean
page, the printer is right back to streaking.
Anybody know what it takes to clean?
Don't say, buy a new one. Two reasons: this one "works" and anybody
that knows me knows better than to say 'go buy something else'
Also, I have to only put one sheet of paper in the paper feed, else
ALL the paper goes through at once.
Regards,
Robert
Rich Webb
<robert...@gmail.com> wrote:
>Have an old HP LaserJet 5L that is streaking on the page.
>The streaks are horizontal [perpendicular] to the paper path.
>
>At first, I thought this was happening as the printer cartridge was
>running out, but upon putting in another one and only getting 1 clean
>page, the printer is right back to streaking.
>
>Anybody know what it takes to clean?
Try the s.e.r FAQ over at http://www.repairfaq.org/. Might give you a
few things to try but please don't blame me if you spend several hours
browsing around there and don't get any sleep tonight. ;-)
--
Rich Webb Norfolk, VA
Sylvia Else
> Also, I have to only put one sheet of paper in the paper feed, else
> ALL the paper goes through at once.
When my 5L started feeding multiple pages, I took it to an HP authorised
service place, and they had to install a replacement pick-feeder (sp?),
at some non-negligible cost of parts. At the time it was marginally
worthwhile compared with buying a new printer. I doubt it would be now.
Also, a few years later, the 5L just quit.
I seem to remember that the printer had (unusually) defeated my attempts
to figure out how it comes to pieces.
Sylvia.
Jeff Liebermann
<robert...@gmail.com> wrote:
Which side of the paper? The printed size or the back?
The 5L and 6L are not the best printers. After a while, they do try
to feed more than one page at a time. There are replacement kits for
fixing this on eBay and elsewhere:
<http://shop.ebay.com/i.html?_nkw=5L+paper+jam>
Do *NOT* buy the abomination HP devised to fix the problem (PN
5969-8695). They're easier to install, but don't work very well. If
you sent your printer to HP for repair, that's what you received.
Gray smears, on the printed size of the page, perpendicular to the
paper path, are usually caused by the toner cartridge being left in
the sun, where the selenium drum has received a sunburn. It can't be
fixed except to replace the cartridge. Measure the distance between
the smears. If it happens to equal the circumference of the drum in
the toner cartridge, there's the problem.
However, since you tested two cartridges, it's unlikely that both
would have the same problem. Another possible source of streaking is
a toner clogged transfer roller RF5-1534 (which is usually included in
the rebuild kit). This usually makes smudges on the back side of the
page, but if saturated with toner, can also dump some on the printed
side:
<http://shop.ebay.com/i.html?_nkw=5L+maintenance>
If the vertical spacing between the smudges is roughly equal to the
transfer roller circumference, there's the problem.
Another possible source of smudges is toner encrusted on the rubber
feed roller inside the fuser assembly. This is difficult to see
without tearing the printer apart. This usually makes smudges on the
back of the page.
For better advice and some parts, see:
<http://www.FixYourOwnPrinter.com>
<http://www.fixyourownprinter.com/forums>
<http://www.fixyourownprinter.com/search/forums?q=5L>
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150 Felker St #D http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Santa Cruz CA 95060 http://802.11junk.com
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558
Sylvia Else
>
> The 5L and 6L are not the best printers. After a while, they do try
> to feed more than one page at a time. There are replacement kits for
> fixing this on eBay and elsewhere:
> <http://shop.ebay.com/i.html?_nkw=5L+paper+jam>
> Do *NOT* buy the abomination HP devised to fix the problem (PN
> 5969-8695). They're easier to install, but don't work very well. If
> you sent your printer to HP for repair, that's what you received.
Presumably it's what I got then.
Oh well, my HP1022 is much faster.
Sylvia.
whit3rd
> Have an old HP LaserJet 5L that is streaking on the page.
> The streaks are horizontal [perpendicular] to the paper path.
There are several ways the perpendicular-streak symptom can
be generated. It can be a power or gain fluctuation in
the laser drive (this is rare). It might be a
faulty corona discharge wire/connection; if you can identify
the HV contacts you can clean those with isopropyl alcohol.
it can be a light leak (easy to check, just make test pages
in the dark). And, if toner has made a dirty streak on the
toner cartridge in the past, it MIGHT have transferred a dirty
stripe to the fuser roller. Repetitive streaks tell you the
circumference of the roller that causes this kind of problem.
I've had some luck (not much) cleaning photoconductor drums
with Scotch tape; stick the tape over the deposit, then lift
the tape off and hope the deposit comes with the tape.
Any roller OTHER THAN the photoconductor can be cleaned
with isopropyl alcohol.
For paper feed, clean the pickup rollers (rubbery things that drag the
top sheet of paper) with isopropyl alcohol.
Jeff Liebermann
wrote:
>It might be a
>faulty corona discharge wire/connection...
Slight correction. The HP LaserJet 5L does NOT use a corona wire. It
has a "charge roller" inside the toner cart which does the same thing
as a corona wire (apply a charge onto the drum, and later switch to AC
to remove any residual charge).
A picture is worth 1000 Google searches:
<http://www.google.com/search?q=charge+roller&prmd=ivns&tbm=isch>
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Meat Plow
I've cleaned lots of 5 HP printer laser prisms and mirrors in industrial
applications. They are very prone to contamination from smoke.
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Alias
<news:pan.2011.06...@emutt.macspoofer.lmao>:
Did the OP state that the problem was smoke-related? No? Then why
bother posting this tripe, retard? You provided no solution as to HOW
to clean it, you just bragged (again) about how YOU could clean it.
In other words, yer a fuckwit looking for approval for the tricks you
do.
Approval denied.
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WHO IS MEATPLOW from Alt.Usenet.Kooks (AUK)?
The obese, abusive, ugly, snaggle-toothed, gay 'bear' biker retard
who likes to surf gay porn sites as 'BlancoBear' while wearing only
assless chaps:
William Malone Griffith, Jr. (aka Milt, aka MeatPlow, aka BlancoBear)
308 10th Street NE
North Canton, OH 44720-2023
Evidence:
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http://groups.google.com/group/alt.usenet.kooks/msg/5650f8e1e7dedefa
Message-ID: <fc5167ee7ad8e6f6...@rip.ax.lt>
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.electronics.repair/msg/e52ffbb346f5b764
Message-ID: <ac995ab01f76a177...@rip.ax.lt>
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.usenet.kooks/msg/a94a2a11df601e39
Message-ID: <f6ccd46e74bff6e9...@rip.ax.lt>
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.electronics.repair/msg/ef80aad2e7db945d
Message-ID: <2abe74de52d65b60...@rip.ax.lt>
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MeatPlow personal info:
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Birthdate: Oct 3, 1955
Amateur Radio callsign N8NCX
Technician Plus
(2 meter, 6 meter)
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Photo of MeatPlow in Belden Village Music store:
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(Note the guitars in the background, the planet-sized head,
the rotten-Chiclet teeth, and general look of retardation)
http://www.productwiki.com/william-malone-griffith-ii/lists/
http://images.productwiki.com/upload/images/william_malone_griffith_ii_avatar_1_0-150-150.jpg
He's got his father's nose and eyes:
http://www.legacy.com/guestbook/kentucky/guestbook.aspx?pid=2527782
http://mi-cache.legacy.com/usercontent/guestbook/photos/2005-09/6966764.jpg
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MeatPlow email addresses:
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http://web.archive.org/web/20010305113423/http://www.k1hk.org/ugb_archive3.html
"Bill N8NCX wgri...@neo.rr.com"
wgriffit at neo.rr.com (neo = North East Ohio)
mhywattt at yahoo.com
mhywatt at yahoo.com
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MeatPlow admits to being from Ohio:
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Message-ID: <pan.2011.05...@emutt.macspoofer.lmao>
Message-ID: <pan.2011.05...@emutt.macspoofer.lmao>
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MeatPlow's brushes with the law:
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1}
http://www.starkcountycjis.org/crim/crim_display_docket_main?pass_case_no=11543&pass_case_type=VBD&pass_case_year=2002&pass_first_name=William&pass_last_name=Griffith
2}
http://www.starkcountycjis.org/civil/civil_display_docket_main?case_year_no=2009-3533&litigant_txt=Griffith
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MeatPlow quotes:
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Message-ID: <pan.2011.05...@emutt.macspoofer.lmao>
"I have no shame here in Usenet."
Message-ID: <pan.2011.05...@emutt.macspoofer.lmao>
"I'd bet $200.00 of that Keiser money you still have that you will
leave before me."
Message-ID: <pan.2011.05...@emutt.macspoofer.lmao>
"You know i have a legal team who specializes in internet law. And I
won't hesitate to get them in on the action."
Message-ID: <pan.2011.05...@emutt.macspoofer.lmao>
"I haven't changed nor do I plan on it any time in the near future.
And yes I am bullet-proof as I have proved it."
MeatPlow visits a massage parlor for a Happy Ending massage.
But they refused to give him a Happy Ending his second time there.
That explains why he's gay, he can't even PAY for HAND JOBS from
women.
http://www.clreviews.com/forums/showpost.php?p=11679
"One time I got a HE, and the 2nd time I didn't. I was asked if I was
there both times and said I was. That's is why I didn't know if I said
something wrong the 2nd time which made me not get a HE."
Well, at least we know what he does with his weekends.
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Oh, William, what would yer family say if they learned yer secrets?
Mother:
..----------------------------.
Catherine & Angelo Griffith
4760 Echovalley St. NW
North Canton, OH 44720-7504
330-494-5785
'----------------------------'
Sister:
..-----------------------------.
Pamela L. & Roger R. Werling
{ son Todd E. Werling }
{ son Chris (Kennesaw, GA) }
{ son Keith }
{ son Easton }
{ son Zakary }
{ daughter Camella }
7704 Bisque Court
Fort Wayne, IN 46825-3501
260-489-6086
'-----------------------------'
Sister:
..----------------------------------------------.
Cheryl J. & Jason 'Sparky' Humberto E. Rivera
{ daughter Christina }
{ daughter Rosalio (North Canton, OH) }
{ daughter Maria (North Canton, OH) }
{ son Len Gray (Ft. Worth, TX) }
5225 Echo Valley St. NW
North Canton, OH 44720-9702
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Belden Village Music
6787 Wales Ave NW
North Canton, OH 44720
beldenvillagemusic.com
330-497-9292
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Rosalio B & Maria I Rivera
444 Wales Rd. NE
Massillon, OH 44646-5875
330-833-4291
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PO Box 35093
Canton, OH 44735
'----------------------------------------------'
Sister:
..---------------------------------------.
Carol L. & Ric A. Campbell
{ son Richard }
{ son Christopher (North Canton, OH) }
{ son Brandon († 30 May 1996) }
{ daughter Erin }
6794 William Tell Ave NW
North Canton, OH 44720-6546
330-497-7980
330-499-5107
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PO Box 36473
Canton, OH 44735
'---------------------------------------'
Sister:
..----------------------------------.
Christine H. & Shelton M. Vick
{ son Matthew }
3915 Harvard Ave NW
Canton, OH 44709-1538
330-493-5645
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Re/Max Edge Realty
North Canton / Massillon / Canton
Realtor Christine H. Vick
6929 Portage St. NW
North Canton, OH 44720-6535
330-236-5100
888-830-6509 (fax)
330-904-0883 (cell)
www.MyOhioHomeFinder.com
MyOhioHo...@gmail.com
'----------------------------------'
Sister:
..----------------------------.
Angela C. & Mark Warshefski
11 SE 12th St.
Pompano Beach, FL 33060
954-785-4716
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4760 Echovalley St. NW
North Canton, OH 44720-7504
330-942-0584
'----------------------------'
Cousin:
..-------------------------.
Eddy Dailey
Bergholz Super Mart
861 Washington St.
Bergholz, OH 43908
740-768-1018
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Bergholz Financial Corp.
dba SuperMart
PO Box 545
524 Garfield St.
Bergholz, OH 43908
'-------------------------'
Cousin:
..--------------------.
Donna L. Dailey
524 5th St.
Bergholz, OH 43908
740-768-2416
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Bergholz Super Mart
861 Washington St.
Bergholz, OH 43908
740-768-1018
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Bergholz, OH EMT
'--------------------'
Cousin:
..-------------------.
Bill & Joyce Leas
{ son Billy }
243 2nd St.
Bergholz, OH 43908
'-------------------'
Niece:
..---------------------------.
Rachel & Adam T. Livengood
{ son Lukas }
{ daughter Lauren }
6342 Palmer Dr. NW
Canton, OH 44718
330-497-7754
'---------------------------'
Izzatchoo, or yer dead daddy?
..--------------------------------.
William M. Griffith
between 3rd and 4th St.
between Monroe and Lincoln Ave.
Bergholz, OH 43908
740-768-2539
'--------------------------------'
What would yer landlord for 308 10th St. NE,
North Canton, OH say if they learned yer secrets?
..----------------------------.
David S. and Joan R. Shaner
2095 Waterbury Dr.
Uniontown OH 44312
330-699-4042
'----------------------------'
What would the employees at yer family's
business say if they learned yer secrets?
..-----------------------------------------.
Ohio Kentucky Oil Corporation
aka Ohio Oil & Gas Exploration (defunct)
aka Ohio Kentucky Coal Company (defunct)
5112 Portage St. NW
Canton, OH 44720-6856
(330) 494-8810
(330) 497-7980
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110 E. Lowry Lane
Lexington, KY 40503
(800) BUY 4 OIL
(800) 289-4645
(859) 223-5656
(859) 223-5946
(859) 276-0699 (fax)
(859) 276-3500
(859) 276-4080
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http://www.ohiokentuckyoil.com
oils...@insightbb.com
ad...@ohiokentuckyoil.net
'-----------------------------------------'
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Oh, but wait, Ohio Oil & Gas Exploration is no longer incorporated in
Ohio:
Daddy Griffith's petrol exploration company (defunct):
http://www2.sos.state.oh.us/pls/bsqry/f?p=100:7:3376481605987832::NO:7:P7_CHARTER_NUM:384125
Nor are any of the other businesses yer daddy started. You let them
all fail:
Daddy Griffith's stables (defunct):
http://www2.sos.state.oh.us/pls/bsqry/f?p=100:7:3376481605987832::NO:7:P7_CHARTER_NUM:377966
Daddy Griffith's motel business (defunct):
http://www2.sos.state.oh.us/pls/bsqry/f?p=100:7:3376481605987832::NO:7:P7_CHARTER_NUM:377965
Daddy Griffith's drilling company (defunct):
http://www2.sos.state.oh.us/pls/bsqry/f?p=100:7:3376481605987832::NO:7:P7_CHARTER_NUM:347837
Daddy Griffith's metals business (defunct):
http://www2.sos.state.oh.us/pls/bsqry/f?p=100:7:3376481605987832::NO:7:P7_CHARTER_NUM:552193
And Ohio Kentucky Oil Corporation is on its last legs, inundated with
securities fraud lawsuits and EPA lawsuits. It's barred from
soliciting investors in Tennessee, it's under investigation in Ohio
and Kentucky, it owns no oil assets or wells, and it no longer does
any of its own drilling. It'll be gone soon, too.
And you've squandered everything Daddy Griffith earned from his
businesses, so yer now poor, adding insult to injury.
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You being poor is why you issued the following. You knew you didn't
have ten thousand dollars or so to defend yerself against yet another
lawsuit:
William Malone Griffith, II's grovelfest of an apology for being a
fucktard stauker:
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http://groups.google.com/group/alt.usenet.kooks/browse_thread/thread/8d753c94bd612f4e
http://www.freak-search.com/en/thread/3859383/meat_plow_exposed
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.usenet.kooks/msg/c9fccf0d1ab26ace
Message-ID: <3n4c2e....@news.alt.net>
Title: Apology to Charles Novins
The witnesses to this abject, groveling apology:
Angela Griffith = Angela C. Griffith-Warshefski, William Malone
Griffith, Jr.'s sister
Catherine Griffith = William Malone Griffith, Jr.'s mother
Julia M. Griffith = ?
Cheri Griffith = Cheryl J. Griffith-Rivera, William Malone Griffith,
Jr.'s sister
Justin Griffith = ?
Kristy Griffith = Christine H. Griffith-Vick, William Malone Griffith,
Jr.'s sister
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Questions yet to be answered:
Who are Julia M. Griffith and Justin Griffith?
Angela C. Griffith-Warshefski came all the way from Pompano Beach,
Florida to witness and sign MeatPlow's apology letter?
Or did William Malone Griffith, Jr. forge the witness signatures,
which would indicate some level of insincerity in the apology?
If William Malone Griffith, Jr. did indeed forge the witness
signatures, is his family cognizant of him using them in this way?
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Man-wai Chang
> applications. They are very prone to contamination from smoke.
Interesting experiences....
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Jeff Liebermann
<mhyw...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>I've cleaned lots of 5 HP printer laser prisms and mirrors in industrial
>applications. They are very prone to contamination from smoke.
Cigarette smog is a big problem with laser optics. When I get a laser
printer that is covered with brown tobacco crud, I have to also tear
apart the laser scanner and clean the optics. It's even worse on a
copier or scanner where I have to clean the mirrors. My worst case is
an auto repair shop, where exhaust fumes and oil gets into everything.
Another day in laser printer hell. This has nothing to do with the OP
problem or the HP 5L, but might be amusing. I was working on an HP
LaserJet 4300dtn that had shredded the fuser driver gear (a common
problem and easy fix). Everything was working fine, until I decided
that the top cover needed cleaning (from my toner loaded
fingerprints). I spray on some 409 household cleaner, and get
interrupted by a phone call. About 2 minutes later, I finish the
call, spray on some more and wipe. I then run a test print and the
output looks like disaster. Very little black, lots of lengthwise
streaks, and a very panicky customer. What happened is that the
design of the 4300 top cover directs any fluids sitting on top
directly into the overpriced toner cartridge. Pulling the cart
confirmed that I had poured cleaner inside. Fortunately, 409 almost
totally evaporates, so it was just a matter of printing some pages,
shaking the cartridge, and printing some more. After about 30 minutes
and 30 pages, it was back to normal.
Meat Plow
LOL!. I used to do a lot of industrial clients. Steel cutters and
shapers, platics, rubber etc.. None of the stand alone lasers or networked
suffered cig smoke because it wasn't permitted in the office area. But
access to the offices was directly available to the plant. So the smoke
and fumes little as they may be directly influenced printer optics.
Probably any laser printer but 99% we sold were HP. One steel shaper
plant that cut specific shapes used magnetics to lift steel plate
and put them into the plasma CNC. The office complex attached to the
building was steel studs behind drywall. You could see the stud patterns
on the outside of the drywall outlined from metal particles being
attracted to the now magnetized studs. That was the first fiber job I
did. Ethernet wouldn't work with the high level of EMF to some
workstations 150 at the back end of the shop. So out of the server room
came fiber from the then 10 mbit HP hub with fiber transducer ports.
I later upgraded to 10/100 once we weened them off of Novell.
The environment in the office area was hell. Every time I got a call
and the CEO saw me you could see $$$$$ signs steaming off his head.
Nothing I could do about it except answer the service calls and respond.
I had a Safari van with bins full of replacement parts and usually didn't
have to order stuff. They were completely dependent on CAD going to their
CNC stuff as their orders came in.
Robert Macy
> On Wed, 29 Jun 2011 12:08:16 -0700 (PDT), whit3rd <whit...@gmail.com>
Jeff et al,
Thank you for your excellent replies. Google had not provided access
to the usenet groups, for some unknown reason, until now.
Arfa Daily had kindly forwarded the frist responses that got me
started.
Again, the symptom: The streaks were only on the print side, well
sometimes backside too. Thought cartridge was going low and this was
a symptom so just put up with the streaking. Cartridge went so low
that white regions started to appear, so put in another cartridge and
the FIRST page was as good as ever [terrible, with low contrast, but
readable] Then it started streaking on the print side also. The
treaks appeared to be from a fairly small diameter roller. Dark bars,
not necessarily a repeated pattern, but at least every 3/8 to 1/2
inch.
So based upon excellent suggestion, I wiped everything I could get at
from the opening of cartridge access with water. Tremendous amount of
black toner came out. Took 4-5 paper towel sheets before started
being less. Never touched the cartridge. Should I? After reassembly:
put back in cartridge and shut door, nothing worked for a while, made
horrible grinding noises even. Thought wet so waited when kept doing
that, reseated cartridge, closed door, and now, the printer works and
the print appears to be better, less streaking. But still there.
Will keep trying since I've learned I don't damage it much.
Jeff Liebermann
<robert...@gmail.com> wrote:
>Google had not provided access
>to the usenet groups, for some unknown reason, until now.
I help maintain a few Google Groups mailing list. Same problem there.
Basically, they stopped forwarding messages about 3 days ago.
Meanwhile, I'm enjoying the time off from not having to clean up the
mess left by users. Some day, they'll learn the difference between
reply to list and reply to sender.
>Again, the symptom: The streaks were only on the print side, well
>sometimes backside too.
Back side could be crud on the rubber pressure roller in the fuser
roller assembly. This is difficult to see and clean without tearing
apart the fuser assembly. It can also be toner all over the transfer
roller, which is directly under the toner cartridge drum. Don't touch
this with your fingers as any grease will cause toner to stick to the
foam roller. What you need is a rebuild kit, which includes the
transfer roller.
<http://cgi.ebay.com/220345718320>
A strip on the printed side can be anything in the paper path that's
encrusted with toner. If it's dead center, it's the rubber feed
roller. It can also be the toner cartridge or encrusted toner on the
fuser heater surface.
>Then it started streaking on the print side also.
Ok. I decode this as starting on the back, and then becoming a
problem on the print side. It usually works the other way around, but
if you have a mess of toner splattered all over the guts, it might get
stuck on the rubber pressure roller in the fuser, before it migrates
elsewhere.
>The
>treaks appeared to be from a fairly small diameter roller. Dark bars,
>not necessarily a repeated pattern, but at least every 3/8 to 1/2
>inch.
If they don't match any of the rollers, then it's a blob of toner that
has been spread out by the pressure rollers.
>So based upon excellent suggestion, I wiped everything I could get at
>from the opening of cartridge access with water.
Not my suggestion. Wiping just moves the toner around. You also
can't see it very well with all that black plastic. The right way is
to blow it out with compressed air. The tiny cans of compressed air
don't do well with printers. I use an air compressor (with a water
filter) and blow gun.
Hint: Some toner is magnetic can be collected with a magnet. However,
the 5L toner isn't so don't bother.
However, if you've been running the printer with toner all over the
guts, you probably have some melted toner in odd places near where
things get hot. Pull the fuser and clean it out with a plastic or
wood scraper.
>Tremendous amount of black toner came out.
Yech. There's your problem. Well, not exactly. It's not the toner
that came out that's the problem. It's the stuff still inside, that
melted and is now all over the moving parts that's the problem. Tear
it apart and do a proper cleanup job.
>Never touched the cartridge. Should I?
It's empty. Why bother? Get a refilled cartridge or do it thyself.
<http://cgi.ebay.com/220772645061>
>After reassembly:
>put back in cartridge and shut door, nothing worked for a while, made
>horrible grinding noises even.
Encrusted toner broken loose and now grinding it's way through the
gears. Remove the covers, remove the fuser, and do a proper cleaning.
Download the service manual for instructions.
<http://www.eserviceinfo.com/equipment_mfg/HP_22.html>
>Thought wet so waited when kept doing
>that, reseated cartridge, closed door, and now, the printer works and
>the print appears to be better, less streaking. But still there.
You managed to get the transfer roller wet. Therefore, the toner
sticks to the transfer roller, not the toner drum. It will dry out
eventually, and return to some semblance of normal.
>Will keep trying since I've learned I don't damage it much.
Personally, I consider the 5L a loser even when it's working normally.
It's too slow, low resolution, and tends to jam often. I would put it
out of its misery and get something better. Favorite (used) printer
of the week is the HP2200dn (after fixing a design defect):
<http://802.11junk.com/jeffl/hp2200/hp2200.html>
About $80-$150 on eBay.
Jeff Liebermann
wrote:
>Download the service manual for instructions.
><http://www.eserviceinfo.com/equipment_mfg/HP_22.html>
Oops. Try instead:
<http://www.fixyourownprinter.com/reference/manuals/public/hp>
Robert Macy
> On Sun, 3 Jul 2011 08:13:24 -0700 (PDT), Robert Macy
>
> Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558
Jeff,
Thank you for the fixyourownprinter website! Registered and found
the manual
I agree the 5L is a piece of garbage. The worst contrast I've ever
seen. However, I inherited the free LaserJet 5L from a client. The
printer contained a cartridge, plus had an additional sealed
cartridge. Can't refuse such a bargain. Use it attached to the Win98
for the occasional hard copy (rare requirement) Thus, my budget for a
great printer is zero. Also the same client had 6 of these printers
in storage to be trashed. They upgraded to a whizbang HP printer on
their network, which even printed B size sheets.
I'll keep working on this to see if anything comes up that was the
obvious focus of failure causing the streaks. So far, it's like I
just wiped out the interior (which had little toner dust) and the
rollers (which were solid with toner) May have simply stumbled over
the repair solution.
Thanks again, for jumping in.
Regards,
Robert
Robert Macy
>
> Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558
Jeff,
Using the manual from the URL, just printed a Test Page, which only
has horizontal bars [streaks was a bad description] on print side,
with a pattern repeating every 3 inches.
Each edge of paper has about 3/16 inch uniform ...nevermind, looks
like a 'frame' around the print, part of the Test Page.
At least now I can use this printer, then fax to increase contrast.
Any idea fwhich roller is responsible for the bars?
Regards,
Robert
Jeff Liebermann
<robert...@gmail.com> wrote:
>Thank you for the fixyourownprinter website! Registered and found
>the manual
Moe knows his printers. Of course, we've disagreed on one or two
issues.
>I agree the 5L is a piece of garbage. The worst contrast I've ever
>seen. However, I inherited the free LaserJet 5L from a client. The
>printer contained a cartridge, plus had an additional sealed
>cartridge. Can't refuse such a bargain.
Sometimes, I wish I could do the same. I have the really bad habit of
dragging bargains home from the recylers or thrift shops. All are in
need of "just a little repair". All too often, the repair costs
dearly in time and money. When done, I have a working piece of junk.
Like drugs, just say no.
>Use it attached to the Win98
>for the occasional hard copy (rare requirement) Thus, my budget for a
>great printer is zero.
Sigh. Another dinosaur.
>Also the same client had 6 of these printers
>in storage to be trashed. They upgraded to a whizbang HP printer on
>their network, which even printed B size sheets.
My kind of client. A long lost customer grew from a tiny one person
retail establishment, to a major online and brick-n-mortar retailer.
During the growth, the owner was always worried about the latest
upgrade failing in some way that required reverting to the previous
computah system. So, he would either continue to operate the old
system, and store the earlier systems, in working condition. As late
as 2000, I was tinkering with a S100 (Compupro) system. He never had
to go back to the old system, but the security it offered made the
effort worthwhile.
Junk the Windoze 95/98/ME boxes. W2K is worth saving. Or, just run a
small footprint Linux:
<http://antix.mepis.org>
>I'll keep working on this to see if anything comes up that was the
>obvious focus of failure causing the streaks. So far, it's like I
>just wiped out the interior (which had little toner dust) and the
>rollers (which were solid with toner) May have simply stumbled over
>the repair solution.
If you can wipe toner from the printed page, then the fuser is not
doing its job. It melts the plastic dust into the paper. If that's
not happening, the fuser is a problem.
Judging from the list of symptoms, the printer has multiple problems.
So far:
1. Toner mess inside.
2. Fuser not getting hot.
3. Dead toner cartridge.
4. Encrusted toner on rollers.
5. Melted toner on the fuser pressure roller.
6. Toner overloaded pressure roller.
7. Possible paper jam (all LJ 5L/6L paper jam).
>Thanks again, for jumping in.
I just hate to see a grown man suffer. Defenestrate it (and be sure
to make a video as it hits the ground).
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defenestration>
>Using the manual from the URL, just printed a Test Page, which only
>has horizontal bars [streaks was a bad description] on print side,
>with a pattern repeating every 3 inches.
Measure the spacing exactly. 3 inches would be a roller with about a
1 inch diameter (divide the spacing by Pi). I don't have a 5L handy
to measure the various rollers, but find a roller with the proper
diameter. It's not the feed roller as that appears dead center along
the length of the page. At 1" my guess(tm) would be the hot roller in
the fuser.
>Each edge of paper has about 3/16 inch uniform ...nevermind, looks
>like a 'frame' around the print, part of the Test Page.
Yep. There's a white area around the lines where the printer doesn't
print.
>At least now I can use this printer, then fax to increase contrast.
Ummm... clean it out first.
>Any idea fwhich roller is responsible for the bars?
Whichever one is about 1" in diameter. Hard to tell from here and I
don't have a 5L handy.
--
Jeff Liebermann je...@cruzio.com
150 Felker St #D http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Santa Cruz CA 95060 http://802.11junk.com
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558
Robert Macy
....snip.....
> My kind of client. A long lost customer grew from a tiny one person
> retail establishment, to a major online and brick-n-mortar retailer.
> During the growth, the owner was always worried about the latest
> upgrade failing in some way that required reverting to the previous
> computah system. So, he would either continue to operate the old
> system, and store the earlier systems, in working condition. As late
> as 2000, I was tinkering with a S100 (Compupro) system. He never had
> to go back to the old system, but the security it offered made the
> effort worthwhile.
> Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558
I like the way this guy thinks. Don't EVER move from point A to point
B without the ability to move back to point A.
Back in the 70's [I think] RCA (or was it GE?) had a recipe for an RF
transistor that was 'knock your socks off' fast, low noise, low power
{for RF] and cheap to make. It was head and shoulders above any
competitor. As you can imagine the demand was incredible. To gear up
Production, the Management built a huge facility with the required
increased through-put capability across the street from the smaller,
original facility. Not sure why, or how, but the original line was
shut down and dismantled before the new line was operational, probably
to save a few coins on the furnaces and clean room equipment to be
used in the new facility. Starting up the new facility, it NEVER
produced product that recreated the specs of the original transistor,
could never make transistors as fast, anywhere near the low noise, and
there was essentially no yield out of any run. In other words, they
had lost the recipe. It is my understanding that no one ever found
out why. Since they had dismantled the original facility, there was
no way to even go back to making smaller quantities to keep hold of
the market. Thus, I always hear ringing in my head, "Don't move from
point A to point B, destroying point A. You may need to return to
point A."
Regards,
Robert
Jeff Liebermann
<robert...@gmail.com> wrote:
>I like the way this guy thinks. Don't EVER move from point A to point
>B without the ability to move back to point A.
Only the paranoid survive.
In this case, it was well handled and worthwhile. However, there are
times where it doesn't work. Also in the 1970's I was working for a
marine radio manufactory that had a similar mentality. Whenever
something went wrong, instead of fixing the problem, someone would
always suggest going back to the old way of doing things. For
example, when the fancy new Swiss made wave soldering machine decided
to make a mess of the PCB's, instead of fixing the problem, someone
suggested resurrecting the ancient solder pot out of storage. It took
considerable effort to convince them that there may have been a reason
why it was buried in storage. As soon as the new wave solder machine
was back in action, I was more than happy to assist in emptying the
old solder pot, and delivering it to the local scrap dealer. This was
not done to recover the cost of the solder pot, but to prevent
mis-management from ever making a similar suggestion. Several other
upgrades were followed by intentionally disposing of the old junk to
prevent similar incidents.
I have another customer, with a particularly ancient computer system,
that prints out every invoice, transaction, inventory, etc on a daily
basis. The toll on paper and printers is severe. So much for the
paperless office. However, when the computer crashed, and they were
down for several days while I tried to put Humpty Dumpty back together
out of sparse backup tapes, they were able to continue operating from
the paper copies. According to the owner and staff, it made the paper
pile worthwhile.
Last year, one of my former customers went with a cloud computing
service, dumping me in the process. No loss, but I made sure that the
old system was still functional, even if it wasn't being used (or
paying me). Sure enough, there have been several "regrettable
incidents" that shut down the whole company, and required temporarily
resurrecting the old system. A more spectacular example was another
company, that did something similar, only to get audited by the Feds.
They needed reports from the old system, which they stupidly gave me
to recycle, but instead which I stored for a few months. Premonition
I guess.
These days, I don't work on any machine that I don't first make an
image backup of the hard disk. When I'm done, I make an other. Cheap
insurance.
--
Jeff Liebermann je...@cruzio.com
150 Felker St #D http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Santa Cruz CA 95060 http://802.11junk.com
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558
Robert Macy
...snip...
> These days, I don't work on any machine that I don't first make an
> image backup of the hard disk. When I'm done, I make an other. Cheap
> insurance.
>
> --
> Jeff Liebermann je...@cruzio.com
> 150 Felker St #D http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
> Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558
Jeff,
I have an OS on an ailing HD. Some key pieces of the initial
installations are missing -- sloppy storage and record keeping. For
archive functionality would like to be able to run the PC from time to
time. The idea is that while HD is working copy it quick.
Is there any free software that will take an image of a relatively
small HD (20GB, I think), place it in a region of a larger HD (say,
40GB), then later move the saved 'image' back onto the proper sections
of a similarly sized HD?
Regards,
Robert
Jeff Liebermann
<robert...@gmail.com> wrote:
>I have an OS on an ailing HD.
Make and model? Is the HD failing with bad sectors, or is the data or
filesystem trashed?
>Some key pieces of the initial
>installations are missing -- sloppy storage and record keeping. For
>archive functionality would like to be able to run the PC from time to
>time. The idea is that while HD is working copy it quick.
>
>Is there any free software that will take an image of a relatively
>small HD (20GB, I think), place it in a region of a larger HD (say,
>40GB), then later move the saved 'image' back onto the proper sections
>of a similarly sized HD?
I use Acronis True Image Home 2011 for imaging.
<http://www.acronis.com/backup-recovery/>
The catch is that it needs a CD or USB flash drive to boot. This
sounds like an old machine that might not have these. For those, I
remove the drive, attach a USB to IDE adapter cable, and do the backup
on a different machine. It is also important to check the setting
that has it ignore bad sectors or this is likely to take a long time.
There are also free image backup programs, but I don't use them.
<http://www.clonezilla.org>
<http://www.partimage.org>
Another program I use to recover data from a trashed or failing drive
is:
<http://www.restorer2000.com>
--
Jeff Liebermann je...@cruzio.com
150 Felker St #D http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Santa Cruz CA 95060 http://802.11junk.com
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558
Meat Plow
> On Jul 4, 4:25 pm, Jeff Liebermann <je...@cruzio.com> wrote:
> ....snip.....
>> My kind of client. A long lost customer grew from a tiny one person
>> retail establishment, to a major online and brick-n-mortar retailer.
>> During the growth, the owner was always worried about the latest
>> upgrade failing in some way that required reverting to the previous
>> computah system. So, he would either continue to operate the old
>> system, and store the earlier systems, in working condition. As late
>> as 2000, I was tinkering with a S100 (Compupro) system. He never had
>> to go back to the old system, but the security it offered made the
>> effort worthwhile.
> ...snip....
>> --
>> Jeff Liebermann je...@cruzio.com 150 Felker St #D
>> http://www.LearnByDestroying.com Santa Cruz CA
>> 95060http://802.11junk.com Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS
>> 831-336-2558
>
> I like the way this guy thinks. Don't EVER move from point A to point B
> without the ability to move back to point A.
Yep Jeff is one smart cookie. Redundancy is your friend. I learned that
working on live computer systems for commercial clients that ran 3 shifts
of CNC. Take them down for half an hour is a big deal. Screwing something
up big time and not having a redundancy plan to return before the upgrade
will lose you the client. Happened to me once on an old Novell 3.10 server
running a golf course point of sale system. Upgraded the OS to 3.12 and it
died in the process. Later figured out after a couple hours that the dos
partition was full and that's where the boot files are. Deleted some
orphaned files, re-ran the upgrade and all was fine. Didn't lose the
client but they spent a lot of time entering sales they wrote down on
paper back into the system. I couldn't charge my time ethically so I lost
300 bucks. That taught me a good lesson.
Jeff Liebermann
<mhyw...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>Redundancy is your friend.
Well, not exactly. Cover thy ass, backups, and disk images are best.
RAID, mirroring, and tape backup are the road to hell. Been there,
done them all, and learned some really expensive lessons.
>I learned that
>working on live computer systems for commercial clients that ran 3 shifts
>of CNC.
Ugh. Don't remind me. I had a customer running some APT program on
Lisa Xenix. They had two Lisa machines so theoretically, I was
protected. However, the system as stable as a house of playing cards.
Since Lisa Xenix wasn't getting updated, I didn't have that nightmare.
Instead, I had hardware failures, corrupted filesystems, and just
plain bad luck. So, to cover myself, it was:
find . -depth -print | cpio -odB | compress | \
rcmd machine_name "dd of=/dev/rStp0"
before attacking. That saved my posterior more times than I care to
admit.
>Take them down for half an hour is a big deal.
I tried every variation of being considerate and nothing worked. Even
showing up at 2AM to do maintenance at the local hospital was a
problem. So, I went the other direction. I decided that I would set
the maintenance schedule and to hell with anyone that dared to
interfere. After checking with management, I would send out email and
post signs indicating that at 5:00PM, the servers would be down for
maintenance. At 5:00PM exactly, I would invoke the sacred
incantations:
sync; sync; haltsys
and wait for the screaming to start. Invariably, someone had files
open, or unsaved data. I didn't care. Trust me, it works far better
than trying to be considerate.
>Screwing something
>up big time and not having a redundancy plan to return before the upgrade
>will lose you the client. Happened to me once on an old Novell 3.10 server
>running a golf course point of sale system. Upgraded the OS to 3.12 and it
>died in the process. Later figured out after a couple hours that the dos
>partition was full and that's where the boot files are.
Ummm.... I think you mean 3.11. There was no 3.10. Next time, check
your disksapce with Volinfo and clean up marked for deletion files
with the purge command. Going from Novell 3.11 to 3.12 was a not
major project but did require having quite a bit of empty disk space.
incidentally, I have a (non-paying) customer running 3.12 on a 4GB
drive.
>Deleted some
>orphaned files, re-ran the upgrade and all was fine. Didn't lose the
>client but they spent a lot of time entering sales they wrote down on
>paper back into the system. I couldn't charge my time ethically so I lost
>300 bucks. That taught me a good lesson.
Well, if you only did that once, it's probably not a major disaster.
In my case, I'm always finding new ways to burn my time. Todays mess
is a classic. Virus infected laptop. Customer wants me to save some
of the junk in the Documents dumpster. She said it was ok to reformat
and start over, so I didn't see any reason to remove the virus. I
copy the files to a USB flash drive, and shove the flash drive into my
main office machine with the intent of scanning for viruses. I didn't
have to scan as autorun.exe conveniently installed the virus on my
machine. It took me about two hours to get rid of it (mostly spent
scanning). Argh.
--
# Jeff Liebermann 150 Felker St #D Santa Cruz CA 95060
# 831-336-2558
Meat Plow
> On Wed, 6 Jul 2011 22:23:35 +0000 (UTC), Meat Plow <mhyw...@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
>>Redundancy is your friend.
>
> Well, not exactly. Cover thy ass, backups, and disk images are best.
> RAID, mirroring, and tape backup are the road to hell. Been there, done
> them all, and learned some really expensive lessons.
Redundancy means cover thy ass. Any way you can. Had my fair share of the
Dell PERC2 RAID controller battery failures and complete loss of RAID
containers. Dead Fujitsu drives on the second day of service for a
Poweredge server. I could go one and one...
>>I learned that
>>working on live computer systems for commercial clients that ran 3
>>shifts of CNC.
>
> Ugh. Don't remind me. I had a customer running some APT program on
> Lisa Xenix. They had two Lisa machines so theoretically, I was
> protected. However, the system as stable as a house of playing cards.
> Since Lisa Xenix wasn't getting updated, I didn't have that nightmare.
> Instead, I had hardware failures, corrupted filesystems, and just plain
> bad luck. So, to cover myself, it was:
> find . -depth -print | cpio -odB | compress | \ rcmd machine_name "dd
> of=/dev/rStp0"
> before attacking. That saved my posterior more times than I care to
> admit.
Most I remember about Xenix it was an AT&T product I think. Mine is all
NT4 server, NT4 Hydra, NT4 Terminal Server with Exchange, Citrix
Metaframe,
Windows Server 2k, 2003, Novell 3xx, 4.xx. BSD and linux for routers
(before the hardware appliances) Cobalt Cube mail servers, managed
switches, fiber the whole shebang.
>>Take them down for half an hour is a big deal.
>
> I tried every variation of being considerate and nothing worked. Even
> showing up at 2AM to do maintenance at the local hospital was a problem.
> So, I went the other direction. I decided that I would set the
> maintenance schedule and to hell with anyone that dared to interfere.
> After checking with management, I would send out email and post signs
> indicating that at 5:00PM, the servers would be down for maintenance.
> At 5:00PM exactly, I would invoke the sacred incantations:
> sync; sync; haltsys
> and wait for the screaming to start. Invariably, someone had files
> open, or unsaved data. I didn't care. Trust me, it works far better
> than trying to be considerate.
Most of my nets were hybrid Novell/Windows. I sent a message to the
Novell clients to inform upon an impending shutdown so people could
save their work. Hell I charged by the hour so it didn't matter to me how
long I waited for everyone to back out. I could tell who was still in and
what files were open from the Novell server. I also had to do backups onto
Travan with open files for the corp systems running CNC 24/7. Skipping
open files wasn't an option. 21 tapes rotated weekely, one kept off site.
I never had an issue with viruses or malware. New virus definitions were
automatically deployed from the server running CA.
>>Screwing something
>>up big time and not having a redundancy plan to return before the
>>upgrade will lose you the client. Happened to me once on an old Novell
>>3.10 server running a golf course point of sale system. Upgraded the OS
>>to 3.12 and it died in the process. Later figured out after a couple
>>hours that the dos partition was full and that's where the boot files
>>are.
>
> Ummm.... I think you mean 3.11. There was no 3.10. Next time, check
> your disksapce with Volinfo and clean up marked for deletion files with
> the purge command. Going from Novell 3.11 to 3.12 was a not major
> project but did require having quite a bit of empty disk space.
> incidentally, I have a (non-paying) customer running 3.12 on a 4GB
> drive.
My bad, 3.11. Yeah I didn't check first. My mistake. I had been thrust
into Novell because the Novell guy quit after only two weeks training me.
I was learning Terminal Server at the same time. We had one problem
Terminal server where this guy didn't put the server into the install mode
before installing Exchange server on it. What a f'ing nightmare it was
rectifying all the errors. Took Microsoft paid support. After that it
never worked right. Memory leaks galore. I eventaully wiped it, Poweredge
2300? RAID 5 box dual Pentium 2's at 266 mhz IIRC LOL! The Novell 3.12
server was the same hardware. They ran FaxPress on it. Them people at the
steel plant expected me to be their god. It was rough for sure and I'm
sure you know the story. Everyone had their own special need. I'm trying
to link Macola ODBC, Pervasive SQL workstation clients with MS ODBC with
third party modules, FaxPress functions for faxing and emailing out of
Exchange with one keystroke. Stuff like that. Nightmare.
>>Deleted some
>>orphaned files, re-ran the upgrade and all was fine. Didn't lose the
>>client but they spent a lot of time entering sales they wrote down on
>>paper back into the system. I couldn't charge my time ethically so I
>>lost 300 bucks. That taught me a good lesson.
>
> Well, if you only did that once, it's probably not a major disaster. In
> my case, I'm always finding new ways to burn my time. Todays mess is a
> classic. Virus infected laptop. Customer wants me to save some of the
> junk in the Documents dumpster. She said it was ok to reformat and
> start over, so I didn't see any reason to remove the virus. I copy the
> files to a USB flash drive, and shove the flash drive into my main
> office machine with the intent of scanning for viruses. I didn't have
> to scan as autorun.exe conveniently installed the virus on my machine.
> It took me about two hours to get rid of it (mostly spent scanning).
> Argh.
LOL...sorry :) I use Win 7 inside Oracle Virtual machine for such things.
Have an install of Malwarebytes and Sophos on it. I don't do anything in
Windows except to keep it handy for remembering how it works. I do have a
netbook with Win 7 on it but hell I hardly use it. Mandriva 2010.2 is my
main OS, I love going to pages where they try to upload and run malware
like that virus checker crap. :) I feel very safe using linux. My first
linux box was a Slackware 3.xx box used without x-windows for a cable
modem router in my home. Again before the Linksys appliances were on the
market. Had to find experimental drivers for the 3Com 305 10/100 network
interfaces so that tells you how long ago that was :)
Aliaf
<news:m2u917h86jkemhdtt...@4ax.com>:
> On Wed, 6 Jul 2011 22:23:35 +0000 (UTC), Meat Plow
> <mhyw...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>=20
>>Redundancy is your friend.
>=20
> Well, not exactly. Cover thy ass, backups, and disk images are best.
> RAID, mirroring, and tape backup are the road to hell. Been there,
> done them all, and learned some really expensive lessons.
>=20
>>I learned that=20
>>working on live computer systems for commercial clients that ran 3 shif=
ts
>>of CNC.
>=20
> Ugh. Don't remind me. I had a customer running some APT program on
> Lisa Xenix. They had two Lisa machines so theoretically, I was
> protected. However, the system as stable as a house of playing cards.
> Since Lisa Xenix wasn't getting updated, I didn't have that nightmare.
> Instead, I had hardware failures, corrupted filesystems, and just
> plain bad luck. So, to cover myself, it was:
> find . -depth -print | cpio -odB | compress | \
> rcmd machine_name "dd of=3D/dev/rStp0"
> before attacking. That saved my posterior more times than I care to
> admit. =20
>=20
>>Take them down for half an hour is a big deal.
>=20
> I tried every variation of being considerate and nothing worked. Even
> showing up at 2AM to do maintenance at the local hospital was a
> problem. So, I went the other direction. I decided that I would set
> the maintenance schedule and to hell with anyone that dared to
> interfere. After checking with management, I would send out email and
> post signs indicating that at 5:00PM, the servers would be down for
> maintenance. At 5:00PM exactly, I would invoke the sacred
> incantations:
> sync; sync; haltsys
> and wait for the screaming to start. Invariably, someone had files
> open, or unsaved data. I didn't care. Trust me, it works far better
> than trying to be considerate.
>=20
>>Screwing something=20
>>up big time and not having a redundancy plan to return before the upgra=
de=20
>>will lose you the client. Happened to me once on an old Novell 3.10 ser=
ver
>>running a golf course point of sale system. Upgraded the OS to 3.12 and=
it
>>died in the process. Later figured out after a couple hours that the do=
s=20
>>partition was full and that's where the boot files are.
>=20
> Ummm.... I think you mean 3.11. There was no 3.10. Next time, check
> your disksapce with Volinfo and clean up marked for deletion files
> with the purge command. Going from Novell 3.11 to 3.12 was a not
> major project but did require having quite a bit of empty disk space.
> incidentally, I have a (non-paying) customer running 3.12 on a 4GB
> drive.
You've got to remember that when conversing with Meat Plow (aka
William Malone Griffith, II of North Canton, OH), he doesn't really
know what he's talking about.
Which is why he can smoke a RAID array by defragmenting it.
>>Deleted some=20
>>orphaned files, re-ran the upgrade and all was fine. Didn't lose the=20
>>client but they spent a lot of time entering sales they wrote down on=20
>>paper back into the system. I couldn't charge my time ethically so I lo=
st=20
>>300 bucks. That taught me a good lesson.=20
>=20
> Well, if you only did that once, it's probably not a major disaster.
> In my case, I'm always finding new ways to burn my time. Todays mess
> is a classic. Virus infected laptop. Customer wants me to save some
> of the junk in the Documents dumpster. She said it was ok to reformat
> and start over, so I didn't see any reason to remove the virus. I
> copy the files to a USB flash drive, and shove the flash drive into my
> main office machine with the intent of scanning for viruses. I didn't
> have to scan as autorun.exe conveniently installed the virus on my
> machine. It took me about two hours to get rid of it (mostly spent
> scanning). Argh.
Oh, not good. Always disable autorun, always set up yer antivirus to
scan external drives upon plugging them in, and to open files on
external drives in a sandbox. If the files don't try to do anything
malicious when in the sandbox, then you can run the programs on the
external hard drive with limited privileges to ensure they don't do
something malicious that yer antivirus missed during the initial scan.
--=20
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/::\ \ /:/ / /\ \ /::\ \ /::| |
/:/\:\ \ /:/ / \:\ \ /:/\:\ \ /:|:| |
/::\~\:\ \ /:/ / /::\__\ /::\~\:\ \ /:/|:| |__
/:/\:\ \:\__\ /:/__/ __/:/\/__/ /:/\:\ \:\__\ /:/ |:| /\__\
\/__\:\/:/ / \:\ \ /\/:/ / \:\~\:\ \/__/ \/__|:|/:/ /
\::/ / \:\ \ \::/__/ \:\ \:\__\ |:/:/ /
/:/ / \:\ \ \:\__\ \:\ \/__/ |::/ /
/:/ / \:\__\ \/__/ \:\__\ /:/ /
\/__/ \/__/ \/__/ \/__/
WHO IS 'MEAT PLOW' from Alt.Usenet.Kooks (AUK)?
The obese, abusive, ugly, snaggle-toothed, giant-headed, gay 'bear'
biker retard who likes to surf gay porn sites as 'BlancoBear' while
wearing only assless chaps:
William Malone Griffith, Jr.
(aka Milt, Meat Plow, BlancoBear, Me...@petitmorte.net, Tripp)
308 10th Street NE
North Canton, OH 44720-2023
Some of this sick fuck's best work, and comments from others about
him:
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.buzzard.rules/msg/f630759d6303a19d?dmo=
de=3Dsource
Evidence:
--------------------
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.usenet.kooks/msg/5650f8e1e7dedefa
Message-ID: <fc5167ee7ad8e6f6...@rip.ax.lt>
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.electronics.repair/msg/e52ffbb346f5b76=
4
Message-ID: <ac995ab01f76a177...@rip.ax.lt>
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.usenet.kooks/msg/a94a2a11df601e39
Message-ID: <f6ccd46e74bff6e9...@rip.ax.lt>
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.electronics.repair/msg/ef80aad2e7db945=
d
Message-ID: <2abe74de52d65b60...@rip.ax.lt>
--------------------
Meat Plow personal info:
--------------------
Birthdate: Oct 3, 1955
Amateur Radio callsign N8NCX
Technician Plus
(2 meter, 6 meter)
--------------------
--------------------
Photo of MeatPlow in Belden Village Music store (his sister's music
store):
(Note the guitars in the background, the planet-sized head,
the rotten-Chiclet teeth, and general look of retardation)
http://www.productwiki.com/william-malone-griffith-ii/lists/
http://images.productwiki.com/upload/images/william_malone_griffith_ii_av=
atar_1_0-150-150.jpg
Photo of William Malone Griffith, Jr. from uffnet.com:
(Note that it's the same person as in the photo above)
http://www.uffnet.com/library/headlines/images/news1376621745xlb.jpg
He's got his father's nose and eyes:
http://www.legacy.com/guestbook/kentucky/guestbook.aspx?pid=3D2527782
http://mi-cache.legacy.com/usercontent/guestbook/photos/2005-09/6966764.j=
pg
--------------------
Meat Plow email addresses:
--------------------
http://web.archive.org/web/20010305113423/http://www.k1hk.org/ugb_archive=
3.html
"Bill N8NCX wgri...@neo.rr.com"
wgriffit at neo.rr.com (neo =3D North East Ohio)
Meat Plow admits to being from Ohio:
--------------------
Message-ID: <pan.2011.05...@emutt.macspoofer.lmao>
Message-ID: <pan.2011.05...@emutt.macspoofer.lmao>
--------------------
Meat Plow's brushes with the law:
--------------------
1}
http://www.starkcountycjis.org/crim/crim_display_docket_main?pass_case_no=
=3D11543&pass_case_type=3DVBD&pass_case_year=3D2002&pass_first_name=3DWil=
liam&pass_last_name=3DGriffith
2}
http://www.starkcountycjis.org/civil/civil_display_docket_main?case_year_=
no=3D2009-3533&litigant_txt=3DGriffith
--------------------
Meat Plow quotes:
--------------------
Message-ID: <pan.2011.05...@emutt.macspoofer.lmao>
"I have no shame here in Usenet."
Message-ID: <pan.2011.05...@emutt.macspoofer.lmao>
"I'd bet $200.00 of that Keiser money you still have that you will
leave before me."
Meat Plow describes his high-powered legal team:
Message-ID: <pan.2011.05...@emutt.macspoofer.lmao>
"You know i have a legal team who specializes in internet law. And I
won't hesitate to get them in on the action."
Message-ID: <pan.2011.05...@emutt.macspoofer.lmao>
"I haven't changed nor do I plan on it any time in the near future.
And yes I am bullet-proof as I have proved it."
Meat Plow visits a massage parlor for a Happy Ending massage.
But they refused to give him a Happy Ending his second time there.
That explains why he's gay, he can't even PAY for HAND JOBS from
women.
-----
http://www.clreviews.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3D11679
"One time I got a HE, and the 2nd time I didn't. I was asked if I was
there both times and said I was. That's is why I didn't know if I said
something wrong the 2nd time which made me not get a HE."
Well, at least we know what he does with his weekends.
-----
Meat Plow losing his connection to reality, insinuating that he's law
enforcement:
Message-ID: <pan.2011.07...@emutt.macspoofer.lmao>
"I could be LE posing as Meat Plow. It can't be dis-proven."
--------------------
Oh, William, what would yer family say if they learned yer secrets?
Mother:
.----------------------------.
Catherine & Angelo Griffith
4760 Echovalley St. NW
North Canton, OH 44720-7504
330-494-5785
'----------------------------'
Sister:
.----------------------------------------.
Pamela L. & Roger R. Werling
{ son Todd E. Werling (Ft. Wayne, IN) }
{ son Chris (Kennesaw, GA) }
{ son Keith (Ft. Wayne, IN) }
{ grandson Easton }
{ grandson Zakary }
{ granddaughter Camella }
7704 Bisque Court
Fort Wayne, IN 46825-3501
260-489-6086
'----------------------------------------'
Sister:
{ son Brandon (=E2=80=A0 30 May 1996) }
{ daughter Erin }
Cousin:
.-------------------------.
Eddy Dailey
http://www2.sos.state.oh.us/pls/bsqry/f?p=3D100:7:3376481605987832::NO:7:=
P7_CHARTER_NUM:384125
Nor are any of the other businesses yer daddy started. You let them
all fail:
Daddy Griffith's stables (defunct):
http://www2.sos.state.oh.us/pls/bsqry/f?p=3D100:7:3376481605987832::NO:7:=
P7_CHARTER_NUM:377966
Daddy Griffith's motel business (defunct):
http://www2.sos.state.oh.us/pls/bsqry/f?p=3D100:7:3376481605987832::NO:7:=
P7_CHARTER_NUM:377965
Daddy Griffith's drilling company (defunct):
http://www2.sos.state.oh.us/pls/bsqry/f?p=3D100:7:3376481605987832::NO:7:=
P7_CHARTER_NUM:347837
Daddy Griffith's metals business (defunct):
http://www2.sos.state.oh.us/pls/bsqry/f?p=3D100:7:3376481605987832::NO:7:=
P7_CHARTER_NUM:552193
And Ohio Kentucky Oil Corporation is on its last legs, inundated with
securities fraud lawsuits and EPA lawsuits. It's barred from
soliciting investors in Tennessee, it's under investigation in Ohio
and Kentucky, it owns no oil assets or wells, and it no longer does
any of its own drilling. It'll be gone soon, too.
And you've squandered everything Daddy Griffith earned from his
businesses, so yer now poor, adding insult to injury.
----------
You being poor is why you issued the following. You knew you didn't
have ten thousand dollars or so to defend yerself against yet another
lawsuit:
William Malone Griffith, II's grovelfest of an apology for being a
fucktard stauker:
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.usenet.kooks/browse_thread/thread/8d75=
3c94bd612f4e
http://www.freak-search.com/en/thread/3859383/meat_plow_exposed
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.usenet.kooks/msg/c9fccf0d1ab26ace
Message-ID: <3n4c2e....@news.alt.net>
Title: Apology to Charles Novins
The witnesses to this abject, groveling apology:
Angela Griffith =3D Angela C. Griffith-Warshefski, William Malone
Griffith, Jr.'s sister
Catherine Griffith =3D William Malone Griffith, Jr.'s mother
Julia M. Griffith =3D ?
Cheri Griffith =3D Cheryl J. Griffith-Rivera, William Malone Griffith,
Jr.'s sister
Justin Griffith =3D ?
Kristy Griffith =3D Christine H. Griffith-Vick, William Malone Griffith,
Jr.'s sister
-----
Questions yet to be answered:
Who are Julia M. Griffith and Justin Griffith?
Angela C. Griffith-Warshefski came all the way from Pompano Beach,
Florida to witness and sign MeatPlow's apology letter?
Or did William Malone Griffith, Jr. forge the witness signatures,
which would indicate some level of insincerity in the apology?
If William Malone Griffith, Jr. did indeed forge the witness
signatures, is his family cognizant of him using them in this way?
Who is Deborah Ann Griffith?
-----
Who is Sherri Renee Christie, William D. Christie (age 54) and Lillie
L. Christie, and how are they associated with William Malone Griffith,
II?
1345 Bison St. NW
Massillon, OH 44647
330-833-5313 (Sherri)
330-837-4967 (William)
2524 Meadows Ave NW
Apt. 4
Massillon, OH 44647
PO Box 36221
Canton, OH 44735
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=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
It's time for a digital enema to flush this turd named William Malone
Griffith, II out of the system.
Jeff Liebermann
<mhyw...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>On Wed, 06 Jul 2011 17:28:01 -0700, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 6 Jul 2011 22:23:35 +0000 (UTC), Meat Plow <mhyw...@yahoo.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>Redundancy is your friend.
>>
>> Well, not exactly. Cover thy ass, backups, and disk images are best.
>> RAID, mirroring, and tape backup are the road to hell. Been there, done
>> them all, and learned some really expensive lessons.
>
>Redundancy means cover thy ass. Any way you can.
Well, ok. I'll use your definition. If I have two identical drives,
each 90% reliable, how reliable are two of such drives?
0.9 * 0.9 = 0.81 = 81% reliable.
If I have a RAID array of 4 drives, with the same reliability, it
would be:
0.9 * 0.9 * 0.9 * 0.9 = 66%
The data might still be safe or recoverable, but limping along with
one drive is not acceptable. Even worse is that identical drives tend
to fail identically. The point where I gave up on the RAID idea was
when I had 2 out of 4 drives fail within 2 weeks, and there were
indications that the other 3 drives (RAID 1+0 with parity 5 drive
array) would soon follow. I was lucky was able to replace all the
drives before they all failed.
I had previously purchased several identical drives as spares when the
RAID array was first installed. The plan was to use them as
replacements in order to keep the rotational sync problem to a
minimum. The drives just sat on my shelf. When I crammed two of them
into the RAID array as replacements, they started showing signs of
impending failure. Just what I didn't need was a fundamentally
unreliable array of drives.
>Had my fair share of the
>Dell PERC2 RAID controller battery failures and complete loss of RAID
>containers. Dead Fujitsu drives on the second day of service for a
>Poweredge server. I could go one and one...
Argh. The AMI or LSI Logic controllers use a proprietary parity
algorithm that is just short of being encrypted. Of course, LSI Logic
won't divulge the details and Dell claims it's not a problem. Various
companies have reverse engineered the system thus allowing uses to
make a backup. You can always tell that there's a problem, if there
are companies specializing in recovering RAID data:
<http://www.raidrecoverylabs.com/dell_data_recovery/>
<http://www.raidrecoveryguide.com>
>Most I remember about Xenix it was an AT&T product I think.
Nope. Originally a Microsloth product, which was almost immediately
taken over by SCO (Santa Cruz Operations). At one point, it was also
sold by IBM. I still have one customer using Xenix 2.3.4 on a 386.
Totally reliable for late 1980's character based applications.
You're probably thinking of AT&T Unix SysV and others.
>Mine is all
>NT4 server, NT4 Hydra, NT4 Terminal Server with Exchange, Citrix
>Metaframe,
>Windows Server 2k, 2003, Novell 3xx, 4.xx. BSD and linux for routers
>(before the hardware appliances) Cobalt Cube mail servers, managed
>switches, fiber the whole shebang.
All for one company? Seems like a rather strange mix of server
operating systems. Ever consider reducing the number of OS's in order
to simplify maintenance?
>Most of my nets were hybrid Novell/Windows. I sent a message to the
>Novell clients to inform upon an impending shutdown so people could
>save their work. Hell I charged by the hour so it didn't matter to me how
>long I waited for everyone to back out.
I mostly charge by the hour, but I also had some service contracts. My
problem was that I would usually book several service calls per day.
An extra hour at the morning customer, would cut into the time I had
allocated for the later customers. I didn't care if it took longer,
but only if I could leave at my predicted time. Also, if I left it to
the customer to declare that the computer was can't be shut down, it
would be more like several hours delay.
>My mistake. I had been thrust
>into Novell because the Novell guy quit after only two weeks training me.
I got into Novell when all the local consultants decided the company
was a loser after Novell unilaterally tweaked the relationship in
their favor. I decided to give it a try, which worked until Novell
started insisting on expensive certifications and bizarre financial
requirements. I bailed, but managed to keep a few Novell customers.
Mid 1990's I think, maybe.
>Them people at the
>steel plant expected me to be their god.
Naw, I don't look good in a toga.
>Everyone had their own special need. I'm trying
>to link Macola ODBC, Pervasive SQL workstation clients with MS ODBC with
>third party modules, FaxPress functions for faxing and emailing out of
>Exchange with one keystroke. Stuff like that. Nightmare.
That is a nightmare. I've seen it happen and do everything I can to
prevent application proliferation. Every new hire has their own
favorite application that just has to be installed immediately.
Fortunately, I was dealing mostly with Unix/Xenix boxes, where choices
of the major applications were fairly limited. At the time, I would
have sold my immoral soul for a VM type system, where I could
sequester individual users and their strange applications in their
very own private pig pen, and let them wallow in their own bugs.
--
Jeff Liebermann je...@cruzio.com
150 Felker St #D http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Santa Cruz CA 95060 http://802.11junk.com
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558
Meat Plow
The one most remembered was a Poweredge controller with RAID 5.
The owner shut it down over the winter against advice and without my
knowledge. It's a golf course and vacated for 5 month a year.
I was unaware of the battery problem in the controller but that
didn't matter. Once the configuration is gone in the controller
there is no way to restore the lost container. Luckily they did
back their data up the week before shutting the server down. I created a
new container, installed W2K Server and the point of sale software
and SQL server. Some ODBC stuff, their sales and price data restored
and they were ready to reenter any changes made after the backup.
It was a fairly elaborate system for me. Touch screen terminals
and receipt printers for 4 point of sales and two outdoor starter
gazebos. A connection to a Windows XP PC running two phone cards
for dial in course reservation bookings. So there was quite a bit going
on. I re-did the entire system previously running Novell 3.12, TCNS
and DOS workstations. Also added a 2 channel 64k ISDN to the network. The
fastest they could get at the location.
>>Most I remember about Xenix it was an AT&T product I think.
>
> Nope. Originally a Microsloth product, which was almost immediately
> taken over by SCO (Santa Cruz Operations). At one point, it was also
> sold by IBM. I still have one customer using Xenix 2.3.4 on a 386.
> Totally reliable for late 1980's character based applications.
>
> You're probably thinking of AT&T Unix SysV and others.
I knew I read it somewhere in the past:
Xenix is a version of the Unix operating system, licensed by Microsoft
from AT&T in the late 1970s. The Santa Cruz Operation (SCO) later
acquired exclusive ...
AT&T was the original developer.
>>Mine is all
>>NT4 server, NT4 Hydra, NT4 Terminal Server with Exchange, Citrix
>>Metaframe,
>>Windows Server 2k, 2003, Novell 3xx, 4.xx. BSD and linux for routers
>>(before the hardware appliances) Cobalt Cube mail servers, managed
>>switches, fiber the whole shebang.
>
> All for one company? Seems like a rather strange mix of server
> operating systems. Ever consider reducing the number of OS's in order
> to simplify maintenance?
No no no no no. Just my experience, and a considerable amount of
experimentation.
I had to work around the needs of the network, the current business
software, and if that software could be ported over to Windows.
I wanted to do away with all the Novell stuff but a lot of people were
running their business suites that were not fully ported for Windows yet.
I remember one company that tried to switch their Macola suite over to
Windows. A rep from the company came with her own server to do the
conversion. It failed. Macola makes you sign a release stating they
can't be sued for problems with their product. So we gave up on the
switch. I got fed up with the CEO and CFO of the company wanting me
to try to figure out all these damn ODBC connections so they could fax
stuff directly from the CAD department and a long list of other near
impossible database crap of similar nature. Some companies charged a
couple hundred bucks for each ODBC driver. And they wouldn't send you
a sample to see if it would work without paying the full price.
I got tired of all the torture, free support, gray hairs and turned
that client over to a friend who had some resources I didn't in writing
database stuff.
>>Most of my nets were hybrid Novell/Windows. I sent a message to the
>>Novell clients to inform upon an impending shutdown so people could save
>>their work. Hell I charged by the hour so it didn't matter to me how
>>long I waited for everyone to back out.
>
> I mostly charge by the hour, but I also had some service contracts. My
> problem was that I would usually book several service calls per day. An
> extra hour at the morning customer, would cut into the time I had
> allocated for the later customers. I didn't care if it took longer, but
> only if I could leave at my predicted time. Also, if I left it to the
> customer to declare that the computer was can't be shut down, it would
> be more like several hours delay.
Whatever works. We didn't have contracts. Hell most of these clients
didn't even have a budget for IT. So I usually designated the most
computer savvy person with the highest worker ranking to do scheduled
stuff an proper server reboots when needed.
>>My mistake. I had been thrust
>>into Novell because the Novell guy quit after only two weeks training
>>me.
>
> I got into Novell when all the local consultants decided the company was
> a loser after Novell unilaterally tweaked the relationship in their
> favor. I decided to give it a try, which worked until Novell started
> insisting on expensive certifications and bizarre financial
> requirements. I bailed, but managed to keep a few Novell customers. Mid
> 1990's I think, maybe.
I never got past 4.xx. A couple non-profit organizations were running it
on Compaq Prosignia and Proliant. Had one commercial running two Proliant
cluster servers. Once I saw where version 5 was going I bailed.
>>Them people at the
>>steel plant expected me to be their god.
>
> Naw, I don't look good in a toga.
The receptionist at one printing firm used to bow to me when I walked
through the front door. Windows 2K, NT4 servers in the back for the
Appletalk storage in CAD to printing. They made custom banners up to 12
feet wide IIRC.
>>Everyone had their own special need. I'm trying to link Macola ODBC,
>>Pervasive SQL workstation clients with MS ODBC with third party modules,
>>FaxPress functions for faxing and emailing out of Exchange with one
>>keystroke. Stuff like that. Nightmare.
>
> That is a nightmare. I've seen it happen and do everything I can to
> prevent application proliferation. Every new hire has their own
> favorite application that just has to be installed immediately.
> Fortunately, I was dealing mostly with Unix/Xenix boxes, where choices
> of the major applications were fairly limited. At the time, I would
> have sold my immoral soul for a VM type system, where I could sequester
> individual users and their strange applications in their very own
> private pig pen, and let them wallow in their own bugs.
I really got to hate these CFO/CEO that had some computer savvy and
wanted stuff to integrate this and that way. I was happy to dream at night
about the way it was with one Novell server and diskless workstations
booting off the server images. Once windows 98, W2K and XP it was utter
chaos.