Solder sniffers beware,,, lead = bad
Dave Moore
post about my recent experience. So, since
I finally remembered;
Not long ago I started noticing that when I would
play the guitar I was missing a lot of the strings.
Also I was doing weird stuff like bumping into
the edges of doorways on occasion,
instead of gracefully passing through them.
Sometimes when standing still, it would feel like
my feet were sliding apart in this kinda weird
almost spinning sensation. Sometimes numbness
in the hands.
Anyway, finally, it dawned on me that perhaps
30 years involved in electronics with a good
20 of them heavily involved in prototyping guitar
amp designs, might have taken it's toll. So I did some
research online and discovered that indeed my symptoms
just might well be those of lead poisoning.
To make a long story short, for the last couple
of months I've been munching mass quantities
of Cilantro, about 1 bunch/day.
Also I've been supplementing with selenium.
Both supposedly have chelating agents in them that
can help rid the body of metals.
Anyway, after about 2 month's of this, I am noticing
my coordination has improved immensely
when playing the guitar, and no more
weird numbness or spinning sensations as of late.
I suppose this is all a bit anecdotal, but thought I'd relay
my experience anyway FWIW.
I also read about how lead poisoning was what
made the Hat makers go mad and is where the
expression "Mad Hatter" came from.
This struck me a bit funny since my wife
and I have an animal shelter for cats. I'm
thinking about changing my screen name to
"The Mad Catter" :-)
BTW, also I have a lot of dental fillings
starting to break lose, so I have to wonder
if some of the metal toxicity might also be
a result of mercury from crumbling amalgum.
At any rate, whatever the cause, heaping servings
of Cilantro and a supplement of selenium seem
to be keeping it in check.
I plan to look into Chlorella which also is
purported to have chelating properties.
Bob
>
> I also read about how lead poisoning was what
> made the Hat makers go mad and is where the
> expression "Mad Hatter" came from.
Thats widely believed to be due to mercury,
not lead, as mercury-based compounds were
used in the manufacture of felt hats in the
18th and 19th century.
>From what little I'v read on the subject, lead
poisoning causes dimentia and sympotoms of general
illness such as abdominal pain whereas mercury
can cause more severe psychotic symptoms such
as hallucinations.
Bob
Rob
wrote:
> Not long ago I started noticing that when I would
>play the guitar I was missing a lot of the strings.
>Also I was doing weird stuff like bumping into
>the edges of doorways on occasion,
>instead of gracefully passing through them.
> Sometimes when standing still, it would feel like
>my feet were sliding apart in this kinda weird
>almost spinning sensation. Sometimes numbness
>in the hands.
>... So I did some
>research online and discovered that indeed my symptoms
>just might well be those of lead poisoning.
Dave, If you really think that your lead level may be that high,
consider getting a blood test. They can also evaluate other heavy
metals. If the symptoms are that noticeable, it's best to resolve
that one way or the other, right?
> To make a long story short, for the last couple
>of months I've been munching mass quantities
> of Cilantro, about 1 bunch/day.
> Also I've been supplementing with selenium.
If you really have high lead content, you'll probably get to take some
strong chelating agents made with mercaptans. It will be great.
(Known to clear an entire building due to the odor)
> I also read about how lead poisoning was what
>made the Hat makers go mad and is where the
>expression "Mad Hatter" came from.
That would be mercury, but that would make for a great cocktail.
> BTW, also I have a lot of dental fillings
> starting to break lose, so I have to wonder
>if some of the metal toxicity might also be
>a result of mercury from crumbling amalgum.
After denying possible problems for years, many dentists are now
discontinuing use of mercury for some reason.
> At any rate, whatever the cause, heaping servings
>of Cilantro and a supplement of selenium seem
>to be keeping it in check.
> I plan to look into Chlorella which also is
>purported to have chelating properties.
Hadn't heard that one.
meow...@care2.com
sensible thing would be get a blood lead test, as you may be barking
up the wrong tree otherwise. Or meowing.
Is there genuine evidence for the chelating effects of the things you
mention?
Re nutritional supplements, lead does some of its harm by competing in
the body with iron, calcium and zinc. Thus some of the effects can be
reduced by increasing levels of these minerals to the upper end of
what is healthy. In so doing one must also raise levels of the
minerals iron, calcium and zinc compete with, to prevent deficiencies.
Vitamin C is also a weak lead chelator. See wikipedia's lead poisoning
article.
But all this is only useful if you actually do have a lead problem.
You need to find out, vague guesses arent much good.
NT
Eeyore
Dave Moore wrote:
> Damn, for almost a week I have been forgetting to
> post about my recent experience. So, since
> I finally remembered;
>
> Not long ago I started noticing that when I would
> play the guitar I was missing a lot of the strings.
> Also I was doing weird stuff like bumping into
> the edges of doorways on occasion,
> instead of gracefully passing through them.
Alcohol !
> Sometimes when standing still, it would feel like
> my feet were sliding apart in this kinda weird
> almost spinning sensation. Sometimes numbness
> in the hands.
Were you in the habit of licking your fingers while soldering ? Or chewing the
solder ?
If not forget lead.
Graham
Arfa Daily
"Dave Moore" <valv...@last.net> wrote in message
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ingested in that way. The fumes and vapour that you see when soldering, are
from the flux contained in the solder, burning away. There is some evidence
that prolongued exposure to the rosin based fluxes used to date, can cause
respiratory tract ailments such as industrial asthma, and may in extreme
circumstances be carcinogenic. The fluxes that are now being used with the
new-fangled lead-free solder that has been forced on us in Europe as a
result of new legislation, are quite acidic, and very aggressive compared to
the previous rosin compounds, so bench ventilation is now rather more
important than it was.
It may be possible to suffer a degree of lead poisoning from continuous
handling of the basic metal, although it is a fairly inert material that is
not generally associated with absorption through the skin, unlike beryllium
for instance which is used elsewhere in electronics. Some commentators have
also refuted that there is any free lead toxicity issue with solder, as it
is a stable alloy with tin, and chemically locked in. Even over 30 years of
handling the stuff daily ( as indeed I have myself ), it is unlikely that
you would have ingested as much lead as you would have from the exhausts of
gasoline powered vehicles in say a year, prior to the switchover to unleaded
some years back. Once you have metal deposits in your body, I understand
that it is very difficult to drive them out, which is why this kind of
toxicity is cumulative.
There has been some suggestion that in ye olden tymes, people were
lead-poisoned by drinking wine and cider from mugs made of pewter
(traditionally, another tin / lead alloy of the ratio of about 4 :1, but can
have other components also). The acidity of the drink supposedly broke down
the alloy, and dissolved the lead, giving it a nice route into the body.
Many people now seem to suffer "short-term memory loss". People everywhere
joke about it. One of the games console makers have even brought out a
memory training game that they have been advertising on tv over here using
the TV presenter from "Millionaire". I know people who have never worked
with solder in their lives, or any form of lead come to that, who claim that
they can be thinking of something that they have to say, and by the time
they come to say it, it's gone ... Sound familiar ? This is reaching
epidemic proportions over here, so what's the cause ? Crap that they're
putting in the food ? The water ? Genetically modded oils that they are
cooking stuff in ? Much more worrying, I think, than lead from solder ...
Arfa
Heinz Schmitz
> Also I've been supplementing with selenium.
There we are! Don't overdo it.
> Both supposedly have chelating agents in them that
>can help rid the body of metals.
Selenium is an element in the same group as Sulphur. Don't
mix up its use for rectifiers with hopefully medical effects.
Regards,
H.
PS
Medicine is the more effective the less we understand it.
Jan Panteltje
<valv...@last.net> wrote in <W7vHh.3913$B7.2859@bigfe9>:
> Not long ago I started noticing that when I would
>play the guitar I was missing a lot of the strings.
>Also I was doing weird stuff like bumping into
>the edges of doorways on occasion,
>instead of gracefully passing through them.
It is normal at age 110, do not worry.
On a more serious way, I too have been soldering for say
50 years, and yes, my postings... ;-) but anyways I
can still stand still in the dark with my eyes closed as long as I want.
Stay clear of the marijana though:
http://edition.cnn.com/2007/US/03/06/drug.bust.ap/index.html
hehe
N Cook
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>
> "Dave Moore" <valv...@last.net> wrote in message
> news:W7vHh.3913$B7.2859@bigfe9...
> > Damn, for almost a week I have been forgetting to
> There has been some suggestion that in ye olden tymes, people were
> lead-poisoned by drinking wine and cider from mugs made of pewter
> (traditionally, another tin / lead alloy of the ratio of about 4 :1, but
can
> have other components also). The acidity of the drink supposedly broke
down
> the alloy, and dissolved the lead, giving it a nice route into the body.
>
> Many people now seem to suffer "short-term memory loss". People everywhere
> joke about it. One of the games console makers have even brought out a
> memory training game that they have been advertising on tv over here using
> the TV presenter from "Millionaire". I know people who have never worked
> with solder in their lives, or any form of lead come to that, who claim
that
> they can be thinking of something that they have to say, and by the time
> they come to say it, it's gone ... Sound familiar ? This is reaching
> epidemic proportions over here, so what's the cause ? Crap that they're
> putting in the food ? The water ? Genetically modded oils that they are
> cooking stuff in ? Much more worrying, I think, than lead from solder ...
>
> Arfa
>
>
The modern version is phthalate poisoning from leaching out of plastic
packaging and bottles. I have an industrial chemist friend in the food
industry , seriously concerned about this. I am coming to agree with him.
When I was young you never saw youngsters with bottles (glass or plastic)
hanging out of their mouths all the time. Anyone would think the function of
these ubiquitous bottles of water was psychological, like baby's dummies.
--
Diverse Devices, Southampton, England
electronic hints and repair briefs , schematics/manuals list on
http://home.graffiti.net/diverse:graffiti.net/
CompUser
valv...@last.net says...
> Damn, for almost a week I have been forgetting to
> post about my recent experience. So, since
> I finally remembered;
Everybody loves to give advice, but this is
pretty easy...and serious, if it is lead. Get to
a doc and get the blood test. Easy call on
that...and get real treatment, if it is lead.
Otherwise, it may just be too much fun from the
Sixties, catching up with ya...and general aging.
MassiveProng
Gave us:
>Damn, for almost a week I have been forgetting to
>post about my recent experience. So, since
>I finally remembered;
>
> Not long ago I started noticing that when I would
>play the guitar I was missing a lot of the strings.
>Also I was doing weird stuff like bumping into
>the edges of doorways on occasion,
>instead of gracefully passing through them.
> Sometimes when standing still, it would feel like
>my feet were sliding apart in this kinda weird
>almost spinning sensation. Sometimes numbness
>in the hands.
>
> Anyway, finally, it dawned on me that perhaps
>30 years involved in electronics with a good
>20 of them heavily involved in prototyping guitar
>amp designs, might have taken it's toll.
That's just stupid. For a definitive control, go to your doctor and
tell him you need a heavy metals screening. Check for lead, mercury,
and cadmium.
You'll likely find very little. Metallic form lead is not
dangerous, and the lead alloyed in solder even less so. Cadmium has
been out of use in dangerous form for a long many years now... decades
even.
So I did some
>research online and discovered that indeed my symptoms
>just might well be those of lead poisoning.
>
> To make a long story short, for the last couple
>of months I've been munching mass quantities
> of Cilantro, about 1 bunch/day.
> Also I've been supplementing with selenium.
You can hurt yourself by taking too much of many vitamins. E and
selenium are just a couple. You should take no more than that found
in a normal multivitamin.
> Both supposedly have chelating agents in them that
>can help rid the body of metals.
Better off merely getting a blood screening to find out if any of
your actions are even warranted at all.
> Anyway, after about 2 month's of this, I am noticing
>my coordination has improved immensely
> when playing the guitar, and no more
>weird numbness or spinning sensations as of late.
Hahahaha... ever heard of placebo response?
How about psychosomatic illness?
Dave Plowman (News)
MassiveProng <Massiv...@thebarattheendoftheuniverse.org> wrote:
> Metallic form lead is not
> dangerous, and the lead alloyed in solder even less so.
Indeed. Even in areas where lead pipes are used for water there's little
evidence of lead getting in the body. Lead compounds are a different
matter.
--
*If you lived in your car, you'd be home by now *
Dave Plowman da...@davenoise.co.uk London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.
Steve Noll
Not likely lead.
I work in the electronics manufacturing industry and have been
soldering with lead-based solder since I was a kid. Not taking any
precautions either. I got curious and got a lead test about a year
ago. It found nothing. You must really have to eat the stuff for it
to be absorbed.
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PeterD
wrote:
>
> I also read about how lead poisoning was what
>made the Hat makers go mad and is where the
>expression "Mad Hatter" came from.
>
Mercury poisoning, not lead poisoning...
RonSonic
>Damn, for almost a week I have been forgetting to
>post about my recent experience. So, since
>I finally remembered;
>
> Not long ago I started noticing that when I would
>play the guitar I was missing a lot of the strings.
>Also I was doing weird stuff like bumping into
>the edges of doorways on occasion,
>instead of gracefully passing through them.
> Sometimes when standing still, it would feel like
>my feet were sliding apart in this kinda weird
>almost spinning sensation. Sometimes numbness
>in the hands.
>
> Anyway, finally, it dawned on me that perhaps
>30 years involved in electronics with a good
>20 of them heavily involved in prototyping guitar
>amp designs, might have taken it's toll. So I did some
>research online and discovered that indeed my symptoms
>just might well be those of lead poisoning.
So have you considered just getting a test done? There are real systems for
Dx-ing and treating that sort of thing that don't involve guessing and eating
odd weeds.
I believe it was mercury that got the hatmakers.
Are we to blame lead for some of the blithering rage, inchoate hatreds and
shrieking, unending verbal spewage that we are subjected to around here.
They say it was the lead that caused house painters to become the drunks that
they historically were. Is this refuted by the fact that so many painters are
still drunks even though the lead is gone. Does it explain more of the drinking
habits of some of our players around here.
Get the fillings replaced with composite while you're at it. There's enough
idiocy here already.
Ron
Effect pedal demo's up at http://www.soundclick.com/ronsonicpedalry
J.P.
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Bob Urz
I remember in the good ole days when i was a kid and we used to shine up
coins with mercury............
Still alive. Maybe not smarter though....... ;)
Bob
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>Arfa
>
TT_Man
>
> BTW, also I have a lot of dental fillings
> starting to break lose, so I have to wonder
> if some of the metal toxicity might also be
> a result of mercury from crumbling amalgum.
>
> At any rate, whatever the cause, heaping servings
> of Cilantro and a supplement of selenium seem
> to be keeping it in check.
> I plan to look into Chlorella which also is
> purported to have chelating properties.
>
>
>
Stephen Cowell
"Arfa Daily" <arfa....@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
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> news:W7vHh.3913$B7.2859@bigfe9...
...
>> Anyway, finally, it dawned on me that perhaps
>> 30 years involved in electronics with a good
>> 20 of them heavily involved in prototyping guitar
>> amp designs, might have taken it's toll. So I did some
>> research online and discovered that indeed my symptoms
>> just might well be those of lead poisoning.
...
> Lead as a metal does not fume at soldering temperatures, such that it can
> be ingested in that way. The fumes and vapour that you see when soldering,
> are from the flux contained in the solder, burning away. There is some
> evidence that prolongued exposure to the rosin based fluxes used to date,
> can cause respiratory tract ailments such as industrial asthma, and may in
> extreme circumstances be carcinogenic.
Rosin has Zinc Chloride in it... I've been poisoned with
zinc before (welding) and you need to drink milk for
the chelating calcium in it. Bad sick headache... not sure
of prolonged low-level exposure, but fume hoods are nice.
__
Steve
.
Stephen Cowell
"MassiveProng" <Massiv...@thebarattheendoftheuniverse.org> wrote in
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...
> You'll likely find very little. Metallic form lead is not
> dangerous, and the lead alloyed in solder even less so. Cadmium has
> been out of use in dangerous form for a long many years now... decades
> even.
Decades, eh? Guess the median age of the
equipment we work on in AGA...
__
Steve
.
Sofie
Soldering takes place at much too low temperature for solder to vaporize and
fume. Most "lead" problems are a result of poor hygiene..... not washing
your hands after handling circuit board and solder and BEFORE you handle
food, pick your nose or your teeth or chew on your finger nails.
Daniel Sofie
Homer J Simpson
> Anyway, finally, it dawned on me that perhaps
> 30 years involved in electronics with a good
> 20 of them heavily involved in prototyping guitar
> amp designs, might have taken it's toll. So I did some
> research online and discovered that indeed my symptoms
> just might well be those of lead poisoning.
Has your wife been making "special health drinks" for you recently?
Xtrchessreal
I've done some research on this as well. Any heavy metal poisoning
will eventually find its way to the nervous system. Once there it
will stay and not be detectable in a blood test. So you have to go
with other diagnostic methods. The chelating materials will help over
a long time but metals are like sand in your shoes. You will never
get rid of it completely.
When I was about 10 my dad brought home a bottle of pure Mercury. He
showed us how cool it was on a steel plate and warned us not to touch
it. Nice of him huh?
Later when he was not home we broke into the cabinet where it was and
proceeded to play with it. "Oh cool how it beads up in your hands,
see how it pours from one hand to the other!"
We did that for several hours until all of it had dissipated or fell
on the floor etc. Vapors are supposed to worse since it gets directly
into the blood stream via your lung. Never said anything to my dad
and he was never curious about the empty bottle. Nothing ever came of
it. 30 Years later I was researching my newly diagnosed ADHD and
found that mercury poisoning is suspected as a cause. And a little
memory suddenly snapped up from my past. I made a Doc appointment and
had several viles of blood taken for a wide variety of tests but
nothing was abnormal. I took a bunch of chelating minerals and
vitamins for several months but never noticed a difference.
I may have had an acute mercury poisoning when I was 10 but over time
one incident may not be as significant. Breathing lead on a regular
basis may have more of an impact. I would think that if it were that
damaging that all kinds of safe handling practices would be
implemented even controlled. But, it would not be the first time a
known toxic substance was sold to the public without any warnings.
X
The Librarian
I thought it was mercury.
>
> This struck me a bit funny since my wife
> and I have an animal shelter for cats. I'm
> thinking about changing my screen name to
> "The Mad Catter" :-)
>
> BTW, also I have a lot of dental fillings
> starting to break lose, so I have to wonder
> if some of the metal toxicity might also be
> a result of mercury from crumbling amalgum.
>
> At any rate, whatever the cause, heaping servings
> of Cilantro and a supplement of selenium seem
> to be keeping it in check.
> I plan to look into Chlorella which also is
> purported to have chelating properties.
bet you smell funny, like an Indian or a Mexican ;P
The Librarian
> Arfa Daily <arfa.da...@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
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> > "Dave Moore" <valvel...@last.net> wrote in message
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that's interesting. I swear milk tastes better.different packaged in
glass bottles.
The Librarian
foods as "chelating agents". These include onions, garlic, green foods
and sea-weeds. Sulfur supplements like MSM or NAC have also been used.
These are not actually chelating agents, as chelators involve multiple
bonds to the metal atom and these foods and supplements involve
compounds that are only mono-thiols. Cilantro has also been introduced
[3] and is present in numerous alternative medications like "PCA-Rx",
"Metal-Free" (both of which also contain ALA) and "NDF". Since no one
seems to know what chelating substances may or may not be in cilantro,
and since chelators can be dangerous due to their movement of
neurotoxic heavy-metals, they should be approached with caution. In
general Cilatro consists of an extract of Coriander fructus, being a
plant cultivated in The Netherlands, France, Germany, Italy, Russia.
The ingredient used by pharmacists and doctors is an etheric oil (0,5%
w/w). Main part of this oil is (+)-Linalool (60% w/v). The chemical
name of Linalool is 3,7-dimethyl-1-6-octadien-3-ol. It is also called
Coriandroleum, reflecting its origin from Coriander fructus. The
boiling point of Linalool ist 198 - 200 degrees Celsius. Other
ingredients of the oil are Limonen, Geraniol, Citronellol, and
Borneol, all having a similar chemical structure as Linalool, i.e.
they are terpenes. Another molecule present in the oil is trans-
tridecen-2-al-1 an aldehyde, being responsible for the tpical smell of
Fructus coriander (like bugs). Geraniol is the isomeric form of
Linalool and found in the oil of rose and palmarosa. The
pharmacological action of terpenes such as Linalool is mainly
spasmolytic and carminative. Similar action are known from the etheric
oils of Fructus chamomillae and Fructus foeniculi. Due to the
combintion of spasmolytic and carminative action of the terpenes heavy
metals are excreated via increasing the renal flux and the G.I. tract.
Neither Fructus coriander nor terpenes are capable of chelating heavy
metals such as mercury or lead due to the lack of sulfur, nitrogen, or
an organic acid structure within the chemical molecule. Fructus
coriander is present in Mexican salsa and can kill bacteria such as
Salmonella typhi. Similar pharmacological action are transmitted by
the oil of Carvi fructus, i.e. Carvi aethericum. Spasmolytic and
carminative acting remedies should be used carefully for
detoxification of heavy metals, because of the lack of chelating
power. If the concentration of heavy metals in the urine increases to
over 17 microgramm / gramm creatinine then the epithelium of the
promimal tubulus of the kidney might be destroyed by the heavy metal,
since it is not "detoxified " by a chelating agent. Lesions of the
epithelium are, hoewever, reversible.
Arfa Daily
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material - at least when not heated up - made from naturally occuring pine
resin. Is the zinc chloride something that has been added in to make the
rosin suitable for some specific purpose ?
Arfa
MassiveProng
Gave us:
>Not likely lead.
>I work in the electronics manufacturing industry and have been
>soldering with lead-based solder since I was a kid. Not taking any
>precautions either. I got curious and got a lead test about a year
>ago. It found nothing. You must really have to eat the stuff for it
>to be absorbed.
Not even then. Metallic form lead is simply not that hazardous.
The "white lead" in a car battery gleans off surface molecules
pretty badly, and I wouldn't want to handle that much, and the old
lead hatters used to use got a lot of "free molecules" in their bodies
by touch, and food handling, but these modern alloys, as well as
simple bullet lead are not that big a problem... at all.
Many gun shot wound treatments have occasions where they don't
bother committing to surgery to remove the bullet. Only to patch up
the damage it did in its path to its resting point. Shotgun pellets
get left in a lot of cases as well. Our body fluids "temper" the
surface too, and then no lead gleans off, if any did to begin with.
I too have soldered for years, and for one thing, there is No lead
in the smoke that rises. That is volatized flux... PERIOD.
The melting point of lead yields no fumes that contain lead. One
would have to boil it. Now Mercury, is liquid at room temp, and has a
very low boiling point, and is VERY dangerous when boiling.
Lead alloy solders are completely safe...
RoHS sucks and is a ruse to buck up the euro dollar, and force the
world to re-tool and re-chem all their processes. Nothing more.
BIG waste of money, and I am glad I work in a segment of the
industry that is exempt.
MassiveProng
us:
They ALSO suffered from lead infusion problems from the hat bands,
not merely their use of mercury with other aspects of old world style
hat making crafts.
Arfa Daily
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When I was a kid, myself and a couple of friends all had air guns, that we
used to take out with us on all day forays during the school summer
holidays. We used to buy a box of lead pellets each, and tip great wads of
them into our mouths, because it was quicker to snatch a nice
spit-lubricated reload from your mouth, than it was to rummage amongst the
fluff and half eaten jelly babies in your pockets ... We used to roll these
things around in our mouths for hours. 40 years on, I'm still here, and my
brain is still less addled than even my own ( apparently well-educated )
kids ! If lead was all that easily ingested, then my pellet activities,
coupled with living in a house with all lead water pipes for the first 21
years of my life, must have ensured that I now weigh several pounds heavier
than I really should ... !!
Arfa
Arfa Daily
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points to the right of dead then ...
Arfa
MassiveProng
us:
Only if they were placed there by an incompetent dentist.
A properly done mercury/silver amalgam filling gets over 95% of the
mercury squoze out during placement, and the rest is pretty well
trapped.
Homer J Simpson
> That's a new one on me. I had always understood rosin to be a fairly
> benign material - at least when not heated up - made from naturally
> occuring pine resin. Is the zinc chloride something that has been added in
> to make the rosin suitable for some specific purpose ?
I recall making some for a PC production line from water white rosin.
Arfa Daily
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Arfa
Joel Kolstad
> BIG waste of money, and I am glad I work in a segment of the
> industry that is exempt.
You really aren't. Sure, you might not be required to produce RoHs-compliant
products, but you'll find that already many parts are no longer available in
non-RoHs packages, requiring higher temperatures for soldering, and within a
few years here nothing will be available that isn't that way.
MassiveProng
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Nickel Cadmium, a typical electronics plating media, is NOT one of
the dangerous types, and is likely the most common you'll see in older
equipment. The dangerous uses have indeed been out for a long time,
and the places where more pure bits of cadmium were used is not likely
in the gear you refer to. Certainly not on its exterior.
MassiveProng
>Dave Moore:
>Soldering takes place at much too low temperature for solder to vaporize and
>fume.
Correct.
> Most "lead" problems are a result of poor hygiene..... not washing
>your hands after handling circuit board and solder and BEFORE you handle
>food, pick your nose or your teeth or chew on your finger nails.
Utter bullshit. Solder joint do not glean off lead molecules. None
one could gain any count of anyway.
Now spend a day forming semi-rigid SMA coax cables that are
unsheathed, and you will see some gray film on the fingers.
I spent the day in ARack, but I am no hero... :-]
MassiveProng
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>
>When I was about 10 my dad brought home a bottle of pure Mercury. He
>showed us how cool it was on a steel plate and warned us not to touch
>it. Nice of him huh?
I have 3.5 pounds of it, and use it to demonstrate buoyancy of heavy
metallic objects, among other things.
MassiveProng
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>Later when he was not home we broke into the cabinet where it was and
>proceeded to play with it. "Oh cool how it beads up in your hands,
>see how it pours from one hand to the other!"
Relatively safe, actually. Even ingestion of metallic form mercury
is not that big a deal. Now touch any of many if not all mercuric
compounds and you can get cancer and die within a couple/few months.
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Cilantro dental odor is more than a little foul. Mixed with
cigarette odor and you almost puke.
Riding the bus in North San Diego County is a nightmare when it is
full of Mexican illegals on their way "home" from working the local
farms.
Nauseating even. The odor, and the fact that "home" is here.
MassiveProng
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>that's interesting. I swear milk tastes better.different packaged in
>glass bottles.
Milk differs a lot from region to region. Ohio milk tastes great,
and SoCal milk doesn't. After ten years though, I like it, and have
yet to go "back to Ohio" to find my city gone, and milk tasing "funny"
on the rebound.
John Fields
<sco...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>Rosin has Zinc Chloride in it...
---
No, it doesn't.
Some fluxes often called "acid fluxes" contain zinc chloride, but it
can't be used for electrical work because it's corrosive.
--
JF
MassiveProng
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>Furthermore, folklore has given rise to the use of various high sulfur
I think this guy manufactures illicit human inebriants. :-]
John Fields
---
And zinc chloride?
Well, I must say that sounds like something _you'd_ pull.
--
JF
MassiveProng
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Bwuahahahahaha... how do you know you didn't make them that way
with a mutated gene in your "wad"? Tee Hee Hee.
> If lead was all that easily ingested, then my pellet activities,
>coupled with living in a house with all lead water pipes for the first 21
>years of my life, must have ensured that I now weigh several pounds heavier
>than I really should ... !!
From the neck up? :-]
MassiveProng
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>"MassiveProng" <Massiv...@thebarattheendoftheuniverse.org> wrote in message
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>> BIG waste of money, and I am glad I work in a segment of the
>> industry that is exempt.
>
>You really aren't. Sure, you might not be required to produce RoHs-compliant
>products, but you'll find that already many parts are no longer available in
>non-RoHs packages,
Not mil devices. They cost more, and mil device makers still make
'em!
>requiring higher temperatures for soldering, and within a
>few years here nothing will be available that isn't that way.
Not necessarily true. It will, however, make our mil devices even
more costly despite their COM being the same or even less.
It will also likely mean higher contract manufacturing costs as
well.
Conversion will cost them a lot, so retaining the old methodology
will get those costs passed to those that get the lesser used
technology.
Very sad.
MassiveProng
<jfi...@austininstruments.com> Gave us:
>On Wed, 7 Mar 2007 10:33:10 -0600, "Stephen Cowell"
><sco...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
>
>>Rosin has Zinc Chloride in it...
>
>---
>No, it doesn't.
I agree.
>
>Some fluxes often called "acid fluxes" contain zinc chloride, but it
>can't be used for electrical work because it's corrosive.
Chlorine has a way of doing that... :-]
Were it in my fluxes, I'd have been dead decades ago, and you guys
would have some other asshole hanging around calling folks assholes.
:-]
The Librarian
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Stephen Cowell
"MassiveProng" <Massiv...@thebarattheendoftheuniverse.org> wrote in
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Here, look at this picture...
http://www.flickr.com/photos/7231750@N05/414282820/
and kiss my *ss.
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Stephen Cowell
"MassiveProng" <Massiv...@thebarattheendoftheuniverse.org> wrote in
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I must say, I *rarely* work on the exterior of a 50
year old guitar amp... mostly, I'd be inside it.
What is that yellow fuzz growing on the speaker nuts
of my '61 Gibson Falcon? Tasted funny, anyway...
I hear Hammond organs are plagued by 'cadmium fingers'...
you have to zap them when they short out key contacts.
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MassiveProng
<sco...@sbcglobal.net> Gave us:
>
Fucking retard. Where do you derive from that the Zinc Chloride is a
basic part of rosin flux, as you stated in your post?
Are you really so fucking stupid as to think that different makers of
flux do not use different formulas?
Why do you have a problem with the word ASS?
Perhaps because you are talking out of yours?
Oh, and if you want to use a sig, at least learn how to do so.
MassiveProng
<sco...@sbcglobal.net> Gave us:
>
>I must say, I *rarely* work on the exterior of a 50
>year old guitar amp... mostly, I'd be inside it.
Figures you'd fuck up a perfectly good antique by thinking that
working on it "fixes it". Yeah... you fixed it alright. It is worth
one tenth what it would have been.
>
>What is that yellow fuzz growing on the speaker nuts
>of my '61 Gibson Falcon?
Likely cigarette tars. You're too fucked in the head for it to be
cannabis tars.
> Tasted funny, anyway...
Must not have been Cadmium then, or you would be in a world of shit,
dipshit.
>I hear Hammond organs are plagued by 'cadmium fingers'...
>you have to zap them when they short out key contacts.
Do you know ANYTHING about reed type contacts?
Anyone with any brains would switch them out for platinum points,
and a low voltage circuit that fires SCRs or the like in place of that
shit. Guess what... no more "fingers" of any kind.
Such knowledge comes from a few years of working on old style
pinball machines, and then on modern version where the voltages
presented to the contacts are low, and the currents are as well.
Pinball mean life between servicing PMLBS goes way up by a factor of
five or more.
I guess your funny tasting tongue just got its fingers zapped.
Just so you know, I never said a goddamned thing about it having
been banned that far back.
Stop adding cross posted groups, Usenet fucktard.
Stephen Cowell
"MassiveProng" <Massiv...@thebarattheendoftheuniverse.org> wrote in
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Look at the picture, then bl*w me.
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MassiveProng
<sco...@sbcglobal.net> Gave us:
Again I say, you stupid fuck:
Show me where ANY other flux maker has any such warnings.
Also, do you have any clue as to how old that shit is?
And you still have yet to answer the question of how you determined
that ALL rosin fluxes contain that.
D'OH!
You fucking literary wussy!
Stephen Cowell
"MassivePrawn" <Massiv...@thebarattheendoftheuniverse.org> wrote in
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> On Thu, 08 Mar 2007 04:22:11 GMT, "Stephen Cowell"
> <sco...@sbcglobal.net> Gave us:
>
>>
>>I must say, I *rarely* work on the exterior of a 50
>>year old guitar amp... mostly, I'd be inside it.
>
> Figures you'd fuck up a perfectly good antique by thinking that
> working on it "fixes it". Yeah... you fixed it alright. It is worth
> one tenth what it would have been.
Curious person, this MassivePrawn... not sure if
there's a brain working in there, but it *does*
write English, after a fashion... just fyi, if we don't
fix the antique, it stays broken. Same for you?
>>What is that yellow fuzz growing on the speaker nuts
>>of my '61 Gibson Falcon?
>
> Likely cigarette tars. You're too fucked in the head for it to be
> cannabis tars.
Anyone else not getting sense out of this?
>> Tasted funny, anyway...
>
> Must not have been Cadmium then, or you would be in a world of shit,
> dipshit.
Irony is lost on it...
>>I hear Hammond organs are plagued by 'cadmium fingers'...
>>you have to zap them when they short out key contacts.
>
> Do you know ANYTHING about reed type contacts?
We'll see...
> Anyone with any brains would switch them out for platinum points,
> and a low voltage circuit that fires SCRs or the like in place of that
> shit. Guess what... no more "fingers" of any kind.
well, yes, as you point out, I *do* know a thing or three about
contacts, both leaf and reed. Have *you* ever had your hands
inside a Hammond Organ? Do you have any idea how many
contacts are made with each key closure? And why "fuck up
a perfectly good antique " by ripping the heart and soul out of
it to replace each key contact set (14, is it) with SCRs... let's see,
14x61x2 (great and swell)... 1708 SCRs. Ludicrous.
> Such knowledge comes from a few years of working on old style
> pinball machines, and then on modern version where the voltages
> presented to the contacts are low, and the currents are as well.
> Pinball mean life between servicing PMLBS goes way up by a factor of
> five or more.
You play pinball, and I'll play music. Appropriate, eh?
I'll let you play my old Gottleib...
> I guess your funny tasting tongue just got its fingers zapped.
As I said, Irony Lost... Milton's other masterpiece.
> Just so you know, I never said a goddamned thing about it having
> been banned that far back.
See this? : / This is my Don't Give A Shit face.
> Stop adding cross posted groups, Usenet fucktard.
Haven't touched the Newsgroups: line, myself.
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MassiveProng
<sco...@sbcglobal.net> Gave us:
>. just fyi, if we don't
>fix the antique, it stays broken. Same for you?
You're the fucking retard that declared you work on it.
MassiveProng
<sco...@sbcglobal.net> Gave us:
>well, yes, as you point out, I *do* know a thing or three about
>contacts, both leaf and reed. Have *you* ever had your hands
>inside a Hammond Organ?
I worked at Baldwin, you retarded fuck. Fuck Hammond.
MassiveProng
<sco...@sbcglobal.net> Gave us:
> And why "fuck up
>a perfectly good antique " by ripping the heart and soul out of
>it to replace each key contact set (14, is it) with SCRs... let's see,
>14x61x2 (great and swell)... 1708 SCRs. Ludicrous.
You obviously have no clue as to the form factors available.
Also, if you are having your "Cadmium fingers", the fucking thing
doesn't function properly to begin with.
Simply switching to platinum contacts would solve it without the
switch to a low voltage design.
If these are antiques, what's a retard like you doing opening them up
anyway, dipshit? You have all the capability of a freshly laid turd.
MassiveProng
<sco...@sbcglobal.net> Gave us:
>You play pinball, and I'll play music. Appropriate, eh?
>I'll let you play my old Gottleib...
Your name should be cower.
So far the only music you have introduced into our group is
flatulence.
You're just pissed because you suffer from foot in mouth disease,
and need to flail your arms like a little dipshit.
Here... I'll clear it up for you...
That shit you have from GC HAS Zinc Chloride in it. That in no way
means that rosin flux has Zinc Chloride in it.
Just like John said, that SHIT is an acid flux, NOT rosin flux, and
regardless of what GC printed on the can, it is NOT meant for
electronics use.
So take your clueless ass back to your geetar group where you
belong.
You pathetic, cringing little milksop.
Stephen Cowell
"MassiveProng" <Massiv...@thebarattheendoftheuniverse.org> wrote in
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I got picture... you got nothin'.
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Stephen Cowell
"MassivePrawn" <Massiv...@thebarattheendoftheuniverse.org> wrote in
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Not much with rhetoric, are we?
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Stephen Cowell
"MassiveProng" <Massiv...@thebarattheendoftheuniverse.org> wrote in
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I didn't think so... I used to have a Baldwin, once...
left it at the dump, no usable stuff inside. I suppose
you're the one that invented those silicon contacts?
The ones that are unobtainable, and render the unit
unrepairable (thank god, anyway!).
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MassiveProng
<sco...@sbcglobal.net> Gave us:
You have aural induced brain damage.
I don't need to have a picture, dipshit.
Here: Go find the song "Nothing At All" by a REAL group of
musicians, Gentle Giant.
That's all you are... nothing at all.
Your old, rusty can of flux is as outdated as you are, and your amp,
and your fucking mindset.
Face it, dipshit, you presumed.
Then, your retarded ass pulled some more twelve year old adolescent
baby bullshit by fucking around with the quotes in one of your
pathetic replies.
You have "fails to admit when wrong disease".
You are petty, at best.
So crank up the amp, lick those speaker nuts, and kill a few
thousand more brain cells, boy.
MassiveProng
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>"MassiveProng" <Massiv...@thebarattheendoftheuniverse.org> wrote in
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>> On Thu, 08 Mar 2007 06:33:44 GMT, "Stephen Cowell"
>> <sco...@sbcglobal.net> Gave us:
>>
>>>well, yes, as you point out, I *do* know a thing or three about
>>>contacts, both leaf and reed. Have *you* ever had your hands
>>>inside a Hammond Organ?
>>
>>
>> I worked at Baldwin, you retarded fuck. Fuck Hammond.
>
>I didn't think so... I used to have a Baldwin, once...
>left it at the dump, no usable stuff inside. I suppose
>you're the one that invented those silicon contacts?
>The ones that are unobtainable, and render the unit
>unrepairable (thank god, anyway!).
>
Let's see... google Hammond and get some lame electronic parts
place.
Google Baldwin, and get...
WHAT'S THIS?! A PIANO AND ORGAN COMPANY!
Imagine that. The dipshit clings to outdated CRAP like acid flux
(NOT ROSIN), which is not even meant for electronics, and Organs which
no longer have a maker.
You could be a bit more clueless, but not in this life.
Stephen Cowell
"MassiveProng" <Massiv...@thebarattheendoftheuniverse.org> wrote in
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> On Thu, 08 Mar 2007 06:33:44 GMT, "Stephen Cowell"
> <sco...@sbcglobal.net> Gave us:
>
>> And why "fuck up
>>a perfectly good antique " by ripping the heart and soul out of
>>it to replace each key contact set (14, is it) with SCRs... let's see,
>>14x61x2 (great and swell)... 1708 SCRs. Ludicrous.
>
> You obviously have no clue as to the form factors available.
I don't care if you put 300 of them in a package,
you still have to connect them. Still doesn't change
the requirement for 1700 some-odd devices.
> Also, if you are having your "Cadmium fingers", the fucking thing
> doesn't function properly to begin with.
Actually, the circuit is so low impedance that it
*will* function with some shorting going on...
we installed the TrekII percussion kit (I'm *sure*
you're familiar with it) and it wouldn't trigger on
the top harmonic... we had to use the next one
down. That's when I found out about the fingers...
you can zap 'em with a charged up capacitor
if you want, we like the sound of having the top
harmonic there with perc. so we didn't bother.
> Simply switching to platinum contacts would solve it without the
> switch to a low voltage design.
Einstein, it's not the contacts that are cadmium... the
leaves are cadmium plate. The contacts are self-cleaning,
as all contacts are... but *you* knew that, right?
> If these are antiques, what's a retard like you doing opening them up
> anyway, dipshit? You have all the capability of a freshly laid turd.
As we can see, the anal fixation is strong in this
one.
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MassiveProng
<sco...@sbcglobal.net> Gave us:
>
>Einstein, it's not the contacts that are cadmium... the
>leaves are cadmium plate. The contacts are self-cleaning,
>as all contacts are... but *you* knew that, right?
Switching to platinum contacts would ALSO involve new, NON Cadmium
"fingers", dipshit.
Pretty simple shit, but I don't expect an meth addled doper to be
able to grasp the process. Hell, you don't even know how to make a
sig work properly.
MassiveProng
<sco...@sbcglobal.net> Gave us:
>As we can see, the anal fixation is strong in this
>one.
Typical... No argument so the stupid fuck bails out, just like he
did when busted on his contention that rosin flux contains Zinc
Chloride.
Good going, mental midget.
Robert Baer
> and I have an animal shelter for cats. I'm
> thinking about changing my screen name to
> "The Mad Catter" :-)
>
> BTW, also I have a lot of dental fillings
> starting to break lose, so I have to wonder
> if some of the metal toxicity might also be
> a result of mercury from crumbling amalgum.
>
> At any rate, whatever the cause, heaping servings
> of Cilantro and a supplement of selenium seem
> to be keeping it in check.
> I plan to look into Chlorella which also is
> purported to have chelating properties.
>
>
>
makes your sweat smell like a stinky skunk.
Dave Plowman (News)
Joel Kolstad <JKolstad7...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> You really aren't. Sure, you might not be required to produce
> RoHs-compliant products, but you'll find that already many parts are no
> for soldering, and within a few years here nothing will be available
> that isn't that way.
I'm curious. Which parts have they changed and how do they make them
*impossible* to solder with lead based stuff?
IMHO, lead based solder will always be available for repairing older
equipment.
--
*Bigamy is having one wife too many - monogamy is the same
Dave Plowman da...@davenoise.co.uk London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.
Dave Moore
"Rob" <R...@nospam.com> wrote in message news:ll1tu258lhijnqrq8...@4ax.com...
: On Wed, 7 Mar 2007 02:56:52 -0600, "Dave Moore" <valv...@last.net>
: wrote:
:
: > Not long ago I started noticing that when I would
: >play the guitar I was missing a lot of the strings.
: >Also I was doing weird stuff like bumping into
: >the edges of doorways on occasion,
: >instead of gracefully passing through them.
: > Sometimes when standing still, it would feel like
: >my feet were sliding apart in this kinda weird
: >almost spinning sensation. Sometimes numbness
: >in the hands.
: >research online and discovered that indeed my symptoms
: >just might well be those of lead poisoning.
: Dave, If you really think that your lead level may be that high,
: consider getting a blood test. They can also evaluate other heavy
: metals. If the symptoms are that noticeable, it's best to resolve
: that one way or the other, right?
Agreed. Right now I'm heavilay involved in trying to
finish some projects which thanks to Hurricane Katrina are
running almost a year behind. In about 1 more week
I should be caught up to the point where I'll be satisfied
enough to take a break and get the blood work done, but
also something I've been planning to do for a long time.
Get my frikken crumbling teeth taken care of.
I find it rather interesting that I haven't been to a dentist in
over 20 years and the only teeth that I am having any problems
with are the teeth that have supposedly been saved by dentists.
Every tooth in my mouth that was never touched by a dentist
is just fine.
If I had it to do over again, I would have never had any work
done on my teeth unless I had some severe problem that
without a doubt required action. As it is, I never ever had
a toothache or anything. In every case, I was informed by
dentists in the course of routine checkups that I had cavities
that needed to be fixed. In one case, the dentist yanked all 4
of my rear molars claiming that I'd be glad I did later on in life.
Well he couldn't have been more wrong. In fact, I'm really
sorry I let da' bastahd do it )`: I think he might have been
gouging the medicaid system in California, and I was young and
naive at the time.
:
: > To make a long story short, for the last couple
: >of months I've been munching mass quantities
: > of Cilantro, about 1 bunch/day.
: > Also I've been supplementing with selenium.
:
: If you really have high lead content, you'll probably get to take some
: strong chelating agents made with mercaptans. It will be great.
: (Known to clear an entire building due to the odor)
:
: > I also read about how lead poisoning was what
: >made the Hat makers go mad and is where the
: >expression "Mad Hatter" came from.
:
: That would be mercury, but that would make for a great cocktail.
Yeah, I guess that's right. I think stumbled on that story whilst
researching lead poisoning which is why I probably got it
mixed up with lead.
:
: > BTW, also I have a lot of dental fillings
: > starting to break lose, so I have to wonder
: >if some of the metal toxicity might also be
: >a result of mercury from crumbling amalgum.
:
: After denying possible problems for years, many dentists are now
: discontinuing use of mercury for some reason.
probably the reason, mercury is frikken toxic !!! :-)
They don't want you to eat fish more than twice a week,
yet everyday a person get's something like ten times the
amount from their amalgum fillings.
:
: > At any rate, whatever the cause, heaping servings
: >of Cilantro and a supplement of selenium seem
: >to be keeping it in check.
: > I plan to look into Chlorella which also is
: >purported to have chelating properties.
:
: Hadn't heard that one.
Metals block the neuro receptors in the brain.
One thing I've noticed since I've been self
chelating, is that it no longer seems to take
as much coffee to get the lead out of my ass
(pun intended) in the morning.
Dave Moore
<meow...@care2.com> wrote in message news:1173260790.9...@n33g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
: On 7 Mar, 08:56, "Dave Moore" <valvel...@last.net> wrote:
:
: > Damn, for almost a week I have been forgetting to
: > post about my recent experience. So, since
: > I finally remembered;
: > Not long ago I started noticing that when I would
: > play the guitar I was missing a lot of the strings.
: > Also I was doing weird stuff like bumping into
: > the edges of doorways on occasion,
: > instead of gracefully passing through them.
: > Sometimes when standing still, it would feel like
: > my feet were sliding apart in this kinda weird
: > almost spinning sensation. Sometimes numbness
: > in the hands.
: >
: > 30 years involved in electronics with a good
: > 20 of them heavily involved in prototyping guitar
: > research online and discovered that indeed my symptoms
: > just might well be those of lead poisoning.
: >
: > of months I've been munching mass quantities
: > of Cilantro, about 1 bunch/day.
: > Also I've been supplementing with selenium.
: >
: > can help rid the body of metals.
: > Anyway, after about 2 month's of this, I am noticing
: > my coordination has improved immensely
: > when playing the guitar, and no more
: > weird numbness or spinning sensations as of late.
: >
: > I suppose this is all a bit anecdotal, but thought I'd relay
: > my experience anyway FWIW.
: > I also read about how lead poisoning was what
: > made the Hat makers go mad and is where the
: > expression "Mad Hatter" came from.
: >
: > and I have an animal shelter for cats. I'm
: > thinking about changing my screen name to
: > "The Mad Catter" :-)
: > BTW, also I have a lot of dental fillings
: > starting to break lose, so I have to wonder
: > if some of the metal toxicity might also be
: > a result of mercury from crumbling amalgum.
: >
: > of Cilantro and a supplement of selenium seem
: > to be keeping it in check.
: > I plan to look into Chlorella which also is
: > purported to have chelating properties.
:
: up the wrong tree otherwise. Or meowing.
:
: Is there genuine evidence for the chelating effects of the things you
: mention?
:
: Re nutritional supplements, lead does some of its harm by competing in
: the body with iron, calcium and zinc. Thus some of the effects can be
: reduced by increasing levels of these minerals to the upper end of
: what is healthy. In so doing one must also raise levels of the
: minerals iron, calcium and zinc compete with, to prevent deficiencies.
:
: Vitamin C is also a weak lead chelator. See wikipedia's lead poisoning
: article.
:
: But all this is only useful if you actually do have a lead problem.
: You need to find out, vague guesses arent much good.
:
:
: NT
True vague guesses aren't much good, but in my case the things
I'm doing have really made a huge difference. I was to the
point where I could hardly play the guitar. It was really weird.
I didn't really feel as though I was uncoordinated or anything,
but when I'd try to play I would miss strings that I rally thought
I was going to hit. It was like there was some kinda disconnect
from the brain to the muscles. Now I'm tearin it up again.
I suppose I should mention that I started taking L-Carnitine
and Coenzyme Q-10 also. Not because of my suspicions about
possible lead poisoning, but simply because they're suppose to
be good for cell rejuvenation in general. At my ripe old age of
52, one begins to think about such things :-)
So I suppose there's the possiblity that these supplements
mighta played a part in the turn around, dunno.
I plan to get tested fairly soon, and when I do, I'll post a follow up.
:
Dave Moore
"Eeyore" <rabbitsfriend...@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:45EE8AD7...@hotmail.com...
:
:
: Dave Moore wrote:
:
: > Damn, for almost a week I have been forgetting to
: > post about my recent experience. So, since
: > I finally remembered;
: >
: > Not long ago I started noticing that when I would
: > play the guitar I was missing a lot of the strings.
: > Also I was doing weird stuff like bumping into
: > the edges of doorways on occasion,
: > instead of gracefully passing through them.
:
:
:
: > Sometimes when standing still, it would feel like
: > my feet were sliding apart in this kinda weird
: > almost spinning sensation. Sometimes numbness
: > in the hands.
:
: solder ?
:
: If not forget lead.
:
: Graham
There were times probably when I would reach into my
mouth to try to catch the crumbling mercury amalgam ;-)
:
Dave Moore
"Arfa Daily" <arfa....@ntlworld.com> wrote in message news:K4wHh.37822$s47....@newsfe4-gui.ntli.net...
:
: "Dave Moore" <valv...@last.net> wrote in message
: news:W7vHh.3913$B7.2859@bigfe9...
: > Damn, for almost a week I have been forgetting to
: > post about my recent experience. So, since
: > I finally remembered;
: >
: > Not long ago I started noticing that when I would
: > play the guitar I was missing a lot of the strings.
: > Also I was doing weird stuff like bumping into
: > the edges of doorways on occasion,
: > instead of gracefully passing through them.
: > my feet were sliding apart in this kinda weird
: > almost spinning sensation. Sometimes numbness
: > in the hands.
: >
: Lead as a metal does not fume at soldering temperatures, such that it can be
: ingested in that way. The fumes and vapour that you see when soldering, are
: from the flux contained in the solder, burning away. There is some evidence
: that prolongued exposure to the rosin based fluxes used to date, can cause
: respiratory tract ailments such as industrial asthma, and may in extreme
: circumstances be carcinogenic. The fluxes that are now being used with the
: new-fangled lead-free solder that has been forced on us in Europe as a
: result of new legislation, are quite acidic, and very aggressive compared to
: the previous rosin compounds, so bench ventilation is now rather more
: important than it was.
:
: It may be possible to suffer a degree of lead poisoning from continuous
: handling of the basic metal, although it is a fairly inert material that is
: not generally associated with absorption through the skin, unlike beryllium
: for instance which is used elsewhere in electronics. Some commentators have
: also refuted that there is any free lead toxicity issue with solder, as it
: is a stable alloy with tin, and chemically locked in. Even over 30 years of
: handling the stuff daily ( as indeed I have myself ), it is unlikely that
: you would have ingested as much lead as you would have from the exhausts of
: gasoline powered vehicles in say a year, prior to the switchover to unleaded
: some years back. Once you have metal deposits in your body, I understand
: that it is very difficult to drive them out, which is why this kind of
: toxicity is cumulative.
:
: There has been some suggestion that in ye olden tymes, people were
: lead-poisoned by drinking wine and cider from mugs made of pewter
: (traditionally, another tin / lead alloy of the ratio of about 4 :1, but can
: have other components also). The acidity of the drink supposedly broke down
: the alloy, and dissolved the lead, giving it a nice route into the body.
:
: Many people now seem to suffer "short-term memory loss". People everywhere
: joke about it. One of the games console makers have even brought out a
: memory training game that they have been advertising on tv over here using
: the TV presenter from "Millionaire". I know people who have never worked
: with solder in their lives, or any form of lead come to that, who claim that
: they can be thinking of something that they have to say, and by the time
: they come to say it, it's gone ... Sound familiar ? This is reaching
: epidemic proportions over here, so what's the cause ? Crap that they're
: putting in the food ? The water ? Genetically modded oils that they are
: cooking stuff in ? Much more worrying, I think, than lead from solder ...
:
: Arfa
Thanks for the opinions,
All I can say is that I have been handling the holy hell out of the
stuff for a hell of a long time.. Consider this, I would solder
some stuff then pick up the guitar play a bit.
Then solder some more, play a bit more, on and on for maybe
12 hours/day at times.
So now picture this on a 'time off' off day (a real rarity:-)
I waltz into the room play a bit of guitar then break for a sandwich.
What just happened here? I've just unthinkingly
transfered the lead that's accumulated on my guitar strings to
my sandwich. Scarf the sandwich, then it's in the body.
Dave Moore
"Meat Plow" <me...@meatplow.local> wrote in message news:pan.2007.03.08....@nntp.sun-meatplow.local...
: On Thu, 08 Mar 2007 01:09:45 +0000, Arfa Daily wrote:
:
: >
: > "Stephen Cowell" <sco...@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
: > news:9PBHh.13763$bb1....@newssvr17.news.prodigy.net...
: >>
: >> "Arfa Daily" <arfa....@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
: >> news:K4wHh.37822$s47....@newsfe4-gui.ntli.net...
: >>>
: >>> "Dave Moore" <valv...@last.net> wrote in message
: >>> news:W7vHh.3913$B7.2859@bigfe9...
: >>
: >>
: >>>> Anyway, finally, it dawned on me that perhaps
: >>>> 30 years involved in electronics with a good
: >>>> 20 of them heavily involved in prototyping guitar
: >>>> amp designs, might have taken it's toll. So I did some
: >>>> research online and discovered that indeed my symptoms
: >>>> just might well be those of lead poisoning.
: >>
: >>
: >>> Lead as a metal does not fume at soldering temperatures, such that it can
: >>> be ingested in that way. The fumes and vapour that you see when
: >>> soldering, are from the flux contained in the solder, burning away. There
: >>> is some evidence that prolongued exposure to the rosin based fluxes used
: >>> to date, can cause respiratory tract ailments such as industrial asthma,
: >>> and may in extreme circumstances be carcinogenic.
: >> Rosin has Zinc Chloride in it... I've been poisoned with
: >> zinc before (welding) and you need to drink milk for
: >> the chelating calcium in it. Bad sick headache... not sure
: >> of prolonged low-level exposure, but fume hoods are nice.
: >> __
: >> Steve
: >> .
: >>
: > That's a new one on me. I had always understood rosin to be a fairly benign
: > material - at least when not heated up - made from naturally occuring pine
: > resin. Is the zinc chloride something that has been added in to make the
: > rosin suitable for some specific purpose ?
: >
: > Arfa
:
: Man have I woofed up volumes of "solder smoke" over the 25+ years on the
: bench. I used to love walking into the shop on a cold clear morning and
: waft in the mixture of rosin, pipe, and cigar smoke floating through the
: air. There is nothing wrong with me these days, just ask my son, either
: head will tell you so.
:
: --
: Pierre Salinger Memorial Hook, Line & Sinker, June 2004
:
: COOSN-266-06-25794
I suppose it should be mentioned that soder for electronic work
to my knowledge doesn't have zinc Chloride in it.
I made the mistake of using some flux with Zinc Chloride in it
years ago on a circuit. It took me quite awhile to troubleshoot
why it didn't work right down to it's root cause, the conductivity
of the zinc on the PCB )`:
:
:
Dave Moore
"Meat Plow" <me...@meatplow.local> wrote in message news:pan.2007.03.07....@nntp.sun-meatplow.local...
: On Wed, 07 Mar 2007 02:56:52 -0600, Dave Moore wrote:
:
: > Damn, for almost a week I have been forgetting to
: > post about my recent experience. So, since
: > I finally remembered;
: >
: > Not long ago I started noticing that when I would
: > play the guitar I was missing a lot of the strings.
: > Also I was doing weird stuff like bumping into
: > the edges of doorways on occasion,
: > instead of gracefully passing through them.
: > Sometimes when standing still, it would feel like
: > my feet were sliding apart in this kinda weird
: > almost spinning sensation. Sometimes numbness
: > in the hands.
: >
: > 30 years involved in electronics with a good
: > 20 of them heavily involved in prototyping guitar
: > amp designs, might have taken it's toll. So I did some
: > research online and discovered that indeed my symptoms
: > just might well be those of lead poisoning.
:
: years.
:
: --
: Pierre Salinger Memorial Hook, Line & Sinker, June 2004
:
: COOSN-266-06-25794
Why so? Metal toxicity is cumulative no? To me that means
it ain't a problem until it *is* a problem :-)
Dave Moore
"CompUser" <Nooo...@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:MPG.20587fa2c...@news.tds.net...
: In article <W7vHh.3913$B7.2859@bigfe9>,
: valv...@last.net says...
: > Damn, for almost a week I have been forgetting to
: > post about my recent experience. So, since
: > I finally remembered;
:
:
: pretty easy...and serious, if it is lead. Get to
: a doc and get the blood test. Easy call on
: that...and get real treatment, if it is lead.
: Otherwise, it may just be too much fun from the
: Sixties, catching up with ya...and general aging.
If that was the case, I don't think I would have recouperated
the way I did.
Dave Moore
"MassiveProng" <Massiv...@thebarattheendoftheuniverse.org> wrote in message news:bfdtu29i93njllfgs...@4ax.com...
: On Wed, 7 Mar 2007 02:56:52 -0600, "Dave Moore" <valv...@last.net>
: Gave us:
:
: >Damn, for almost a week I have been forgetting to
: >post about my recent experience. So, since
: >I finally remembered;
: >
: >play the guitar I was missing a lot of the strings.
: >Also I was doing weird stuff like bumping into
: >the edges of doorways on occasion,
: >instead of gracefully passing through them.
: > Sometimes when standing still, it would feel like
: >my feet were sliding apart in this kinda weird
: >almost spinning sensation. Sometimes numbness
: >in the hands.
: >
: > Anyway, finally, it dawned on me that perhaps
: >30 years involved in electronics with a good
: >20 of them heavily involved in prototyping guitar
: >amp designs, might have taken it's toll.
: That's just stupid. For a definitive control, go to your doctor and
: tell him you need a heavy metals screening. Check for lead, mercury,
: and cadmium.
:
: You'll likely find very little. Metallic form lead is not
: dangerous, and the lead alloyed in solder even less so. Cadmium has
: been out of use in dangerous form for a long many years now... decades
: even.
:
:
:
:
: So I did some
: >research online and discovered that indeed my symptoms
: >just might well be those of lead poisoning.
: >
: > To make a long story short, for the last couple
: >of months I've been munching mass quantities
: > of Cilantro, about 1 bunch/day.
: > Also I've been supplementing with selenium.
:
: You can hurt yourself by taking too much of many vitamins. E and
: selenium are just a couple. You should take no more than that found
: in a normal multivitamin.
:
: > Both supposedly have chelating agents in them that
: >can help rid the body of metals.
:
: Better off merely getting a blood screening to find out if any of
: your actions are even warranted at all.
:
: > Anyway, after about 2 month's of this, I am noticing
: >my coordination has improved immensely
: > when playing the guitar, and no more
: >weird numbness or spinning sensations as of late.
:
: Hahahaha... ever heard of placebo response?
:
: How about psychosomatic illness?
Sure I've heard of such things.
I've also heard of arrogant assholes.
Enjoy your superiority, and go fuck yourself.
Dave Moore
"Stephen Cowell" <sco...@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message news:lROHh.275$Qw....@newssvr29.news.prodigy.net...
:
: "MassiveProng" <Massiv...@thebarattheendoftheuniverse.org> wrote in
Crikey, this fucktard Massive throng or whatever, has an even bigger
ego problem than I do :-)
Dave Moore
"MassiveProng" <Massiv...@thebarattheendoftheuniverse.org> wrote in message news:kfcvu218h1jrn3ftk...@4ax.com...
: On Thu, 08 Mar 2007 06:33:44 GMT, "Stephen Cowell"
Yeah, you're right, he's wrong.
You're still an asshole.
Dave Moore
"MassiveProng" <Massiv...@thebarattheendoftheuniverse.org> wrote in message news:rcpuu2hn2300c16at...@4ax.com...
: On Wed, 07 Mar 2007 16:18:58 GMT, "TT_Man" <Som...@ntlworld.com> Gave
: us:
:
: >
: >>
: >> BTW, also I have a lot of dental fillings
: >> starting to break lose, so I have to wonder
: >> if some of the metal toxicity might also be
: >> a result of mercury from crumbling amalgum.
: >>
: >> At any rate, whatever the cause, heaping servings
: >> of Cilantro and a supplement of selenium seem
: >> to be keeping it in check.
: >> I plan to look into Chlorella which also is
: >> purported to have chelating properties.
: >>
: >>
: >>
: >
:
: Only if they were placed there by an incompetent dentist.
:
: A properly done mercury/silver amalgam filling gets over 95% of the
: mercury squoze out during placement, and the rest is pretty well
: trapped.
So they say.
Have you ever heard of the word Gullible?
Dave Moore
"Xtrchessreal" <XtrChe...@gmail.com> wrote
: When I was about 10 my dad brought home a bottle of pure Mercury. He
: showed us how cool it was on a steel plate and warned us not to touch
: it. Nice of him huh?
When I was young, whilst visiting a small vacuum tube
factory in California, the electronic engineer friend of the family
let us kids play with a can of mercury. It was fun to stick your
hand in the can and feel it's viscosity. Then we all got to stick
our hands in again with silver dimes and dollars.
Dave Moore
"MassiveProng" <Massiv...@thebarattheendoftheuniverse.org> wrote in message news:3kquu292nthhfek7t...@4ax.com...
: On 7 Mar 2007 13:29:49 -0800, "Xtrchessreal" <XtrChe...@gmail.com>
: Gave us:
:
: >Later when he was not home we broke into the cabinet where it was and
: >proceeded to play with it. "Oh cool how it beads up in your hands,
: >see how it pours from one hand to the other!"
:
:
: Relatively safe, actually. Even ingestion of metallic form mercury
: is not that big a deal. Now touch any of many if not all mercuric
: compounds and you can get cancer and die within a couple/few months.
Would mercurochrome (sp?) be considered such ?
Dave Moore
"MassiveProng" <Massiv...@thebarattheendoftheuniverse.org> wrote in message news:3nquu2tu5d50ju3p3...@4ax.com...
: On 7 Mar 2007 13:56:47 -0800, "The Librarian" <zoot...@gmail.com>
: Gave us:
:
: >On Mar 7, 2:56 am, "Dave Moore" <valvel...@last.net> wrote:
: >> Damn, for almost a week I have been forgetting to
: >> post about my recent experience. So, since
: >> I finally remembered;
: >>
: >> Not long ago I started noticing that when I would
: >> play the guitar I was missing a lot of the strings.
: >> Also I was doing weird stuff like bumping into
: >> the edges of doorways on occasion,
: >> instead of gracefully passing through them.
: >> Sometimes when standing still, it would feel like
: >> my feet were sliding apart in this kinda weird
: >> almost spinning sensation. Sometimes numbness
: >> in the hands.
: >>
: >> Anyway, finally, it dawned on me that perhaps
: >> 30 years involved in electronics with a good
: >> 20 of them heavily involved in prototyping guitar
: >> research online and discovered that indeed my symptoms
: >> just might well be those of lead poisoning.
: >>
: >> To make a long story short, for the last couple
: >> of months I've been munching mass quantities
: >> of Cilantro, about 1 bunch/day.
: >> Also I've been supplementing with selenium.
: >>
: >> can help rid the body of metals.
: >> my coordination has improved immensely
: >> when playing the guitar, and no more
: >> weird numbness or spinning sensations as of late.
: >>
: >> my experience anyway FWIW.
: >>
: >> I also read about how lead poisoning was what
: >> made the Hat makers go mad and is where the
: >> expression "Mad Hatter" came from.
: >
: >>
: >> This struck me a bit funny since my wife
: >> and I have an animal shelter for cats. I'm
: >> thinking about changing my screen name to
: >> "The Mad Catter" :-)
: >>
: >> starting to break lose, so I have to wonder
: >> if some of the metal toxicity might also be
: >> a result of mercury from crumbling amalgum.
: >>
: >> At any rate, whatever the cause, heaping servings
: >> of Cilantro and a supplement of selenium seem
: >> to be keeping it in check.
: >> I plan to look into Chlorella which also is
: >> purported to have chelating properties.
: >
: >
: Cilantro dental odor is more than a little foul. Mixed with
: cigarette odor and you almost puke.
:
: Riding the bus in North San Diego County is a nightmare when it is
: full of Mexican illegals on their way "home" from working the local
: farms.
:
: Nauseating even. The odor, and the fact that "home" is here.
Then there's the frijole factor to consider.
Dave Moore
"sparky" <spar...@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:1173310379.9...@s48g2000cws.googlegroups.com...
: > and I have an animal shelter for cats. I'm
: > thinking about changing my screen name to
: > "The Mad Catter" :-)
: >
: > BTW, also I have a lot of dental fillings
: > starting to break lose, so I have to wonder
: > if some of the metal toxicity might also be
: > a result of mercury from crumbling amalgum.
: >
: > At any rate, whatever the cause, heaping servings
: > of Cilantro and a supplement of selenium seem
: > to be keeping it in check.
: > I plan to look into Chlorella which also is
: > purported to have chelating properties.
:
: this excerpt from on the the selenium compound MSDS sheets. Animals
: have died from eating plants containing as little as 5 PPM of
: selenium. Just recently there was a recall because some company
: accidentally let sunburned potatoes be bagged and sold to the
: consumer. Not nice stuff at all!
:
: Selenium compounds are poison by inhalation and intravenous routes.
: Some selenium compounds are experimental carcinogens.
: Long-term exposure may be a cause of amyotrophic lateral sclerosis in
: humans, just as it may cause "blind staggers" in cattle.
: Elemental Selenium has low acute systemic toxicity, but dust or fumes
: can cause serious irritation of the respiratory tract. Inorganic
: selenium compounds can cause dermatitis. Garlic odor of breath is a
: common symptom. Pallor, nervousness, depression, digestive
: disturbances and death have been reported in cases of chronic exposure
: (Sax, Dangerous Properties of Industrial Materials, eighth
: edition).
The selenium I'm taking is in the form of brewers yeast.
So I imagine, the biggest danger might be spontaneous
effervessence.
:
Dave Moore
"Robert Baer" <rober...@earthlink.net> wrote in message news:nxPHh.125158$_73....@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net...
Oh,,, So that's why all them thar critters bin a'fallerin me.
Leonard Caillouet
"Meat Plow" <me...@meatplow.local> wrote in message
> It is cumulative but does the body not pass small amounts over a period of
> time?
Just have a blood test. I have been using solder for 30 years and have been
tested in the last few years twice and no problem found. I suspect the
smoke from the resin is more of a health issue than the lead.
Leonard
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MassiveProng
Gave us:
> I suppose I should mention that I started taking L-Carnitine
>and Coenzyme Q-10 also. Not because of my suspicions about
>possible lead poisoning, but simply because they're suppose to
> be good for cell rejuvenation in general. At my ripe old age of
>52, one begins to think about such things :-)
> So I suppose there's the possiblity that these supplements
> mighta played a part in the turn around, dunno.
Try a good, hearty, fresh green salad twice a day.
Not some little dish filler either. A PLATE FULL of salad.
Graze in the pasture as it were.
Lord Valve
MassiveProng wrote:
Hammond contacts were a platinum-iridium alloy, and the bussbars were
palladium.
Cadmium fingers are not normally a problem in the key contacts;
they do, however, play hell inside the vibrato scanner and the
percussion switch assembly. When a Hammond scanner
has too much oil put into it (and most of them wind up this
way) the cadmium fuzz that grows inside them forms a
sludge with the excess oil, shorting out portions of the
scanner. The correct way to remedy this is to disassemble
the scanner, clean everything inside it (especially the
fiber spacers which insulate the stationary capacitor
plates from the metal shell) and then spray the inside
of the scanner's round can chassis with some acrylic
varnish to prevent regrowth of the cadmium fingers.
The old repairman's trick of burning the fingers off
by zapping the scanner with a megger is a stopgap
measure, since they will just grow back and screw
the scanner up again.
This is a fine pissing match, and anyone who hands
a disgusting piece of shit like Cowell his ass gets my
vote, but...Baldwin? Excuse me while I regurgitate.
Technical considerations aside, the Hammond is good
at what Hammonds are good at - jazz, blues, gospel,
and rock - and Baldwins, well, aren't. The Hammond
is inextricably woven into the fabric of American
popular music, with a rich history that extends back
into the heyday of the radio era. The noisy contact
system (nine mechanical contacts hitting nine bussbars
in a rather random fashion) produces the infamous
"keyclick" that gives the Hammond its bite, and
it is noteworthy that every digital emulation of the
Hammond sound pays a considerable amount of
attention to reproducing this "defect" as accurately
as possible. The Hammond Organ Company lives
on in the guise of Hammond-Suzuki, and continues
to produce instruments used by top jazz and bues
players the world over. They also continue to build
traditional-style vacuum tube Leslies, as well as
SS types.
If anyone has ever seen an equipment rider for a
pro production with a Bladwin organ on it, let him
step forward and speak up.
<silence>
Good. I was a guest of the Clapton organization
last night at the Pepsi Center here in Denver, and
on the left-hand side of the stage was - of course -
a Hammond B-3. Still kicking ass at ~50 years
old.
Lord Valve
Organist
Arfa Daily
"The Librarian" <zoot...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1173326717.2...@64g2000cwx.googlegroups.com...
On Mar 7, 7:25 pm, "Arfa Daily" <arfa.da...@ntlworld.com> wrote:
> "The Librarian" <zootwo...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:1173304607....@64g2000cwx.googlegroups.com...
>
> >> and I have an animal shelter for cats. I'm
> >> thinking about changing my screen name to
> >> "The Mad Catter" :-)
>
> >> BTW, also I have a lot of dental fillings
> >> starting to break lose, so I have to wonder
> >> if some of the metal toxicity might also be
> >> a result of mercury from crumbling amalgum.
>
> >> At any rate, whatever the cause, heaping servings
> >> of Cilantro and a supplement of selenium seem
> >> to be keeping it in check.
> >> I plan to look into Chlorella which also is
> >> purported to have chelating properties.
>
>
>
> Arfa- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
? ? ?
Ooook ??
CompUser
>
> Crikey, this fucktard Massive throng or whatever, has an even bigger
> ego problem than I do :-)
LoL..."Yes, see what you've done!"
Now, quit goofing around and get to a tech (human
body type, aka doc).
CompUser
4ax.com>,
Massiv...@thebarattheendoftheuniverse.org
says...
>
> >>>Here, look at this picture...
> >>>
> >>>http://www.flickr.com/photos/7231750@N05/414282820/
>
>
> Again I say, you stupid fuck:
>
> Show me where ANY other flux maker has any such warnings.
>
> Also, do you have any clue as to how old that shit is?
>
LoL! ...so if he shows another, will you ask for
a third?
And age has to do with...what?
It looks like : Cowell 1, Prong 0
gtski
And yourself not being a *fan* of 'the blues', so-to-speak... how was
the show..??
Who was playing said B-3 . . ? ?
Is the G--damn weather warming up out there..??
This global warming shit is freezing me everywhere I go . . ? ? ?
>
> Lord Valve
> Organist
>
>
>
>
Lord Valve
gtski wrote:
Well...
I had serious issues with the way it was mixed. The Pepsi
Center is *huge* - the Denver Nuggets play there - but the
PA is enormous and more than adequate for the room.
Not a gear issue, then. Its rare I go to a "rock" show and
wish the drums were more prominent in the mix, but last
night that's the way it was. Clapton's vocals were on
the distorted side - sounded like input channel clipping - but
the two chick backup singers sounded great, as did Doyle
Bramhall. The organ was so far down in the mix it might as
well not have been there. There were two keyboardists;
the other dude was playing what appeared to be a Kurzweil,
used as a dedicated piano. He had ten fingers, and used
all of 'em, all the time. He was skilled, but I don't care for
pounders. They ran him hot in the mix, at times to the
detriment of the current soloist. Clapton's tone was
kind of sporadic - at times, it was seriously kickass,
at others, just so-so. When he got down to it, he lit
the joint up; no doubt about it, the old dude can still
play his ass off. Bramhall was having trouble hearing
himself sing; when I asked him about it after the
show, he said there was a null spot right where his head
was and he had to keep letting go of his axe to cup
his ear in order to sing in tune. He's an excellent singer,
though. The bottom end of his guitar tone sounded a
little on the fuzzy side; I suspect one of his speakers
was blown and they were miking the other one, but
that's a guess. I didn't ask him about it. It appeared
to me that he was playing a left-handed guitar left-handed
but strung upside down.
The bassist hit several really noticeable clams, and
had occasional timing issues. He was still fairly
good, though. The drummer was excellent; he came
out front and played a cocktail kit (I didn't know they
still made 'em, let alone that anyone was still using
one) during the "acoustic" set they did in the middle
of the show. (Derek played a Dobro.) I wish I had
been able to hear the drummer better...I was maybe
50 feet from the stage, 15 feet above it (in the VIP
seats with the rest of the invitees) and I swear I could
hear his cymbals better off his kit than through the PA.
There was absolutely no doubt about it, though: Derek
owned the stage. His technique was impeccable, his
tone was *fabulous*. He knocked the crowd flat stone cold.
And I don't want to imply that it was a head-cutting
contest, either - it damnsure wasn't. Putting together
a show with THREE excellent guitar players is close
to impossible - it either turns into a complete cluster-fuck
or a pissing match, but those cats were careful about
stepping on each other. And, of course, the chords used
in most of those tunes were not complex enough for
anyone to worry about conflicting inversions when
comping. It was interesting to hear Derek's take on songs
that were Top 40 hits before he was born. My impression
was that Eric is passing the torch. DT is a far more
complex player, given his eclectic influences, but he
has the skills to stay between the required walls in
any given situation while still innovating. He's rock solid,
he just doesn't choke - *ever*. Amazing.
Overall, it was a great show. The crowd certainly thought
so. I enjoyed it, despite any technical or stylistic bitches I
had with the production.
EC didn't hang with the folks afterwards - he just jumped
in his limo and booked. I reckon he's had 40+ years
of schmoozing the locals, and that's plenty. I had several
questions I wanted to ask him, but I reckon DT can ask
'em for me.
DT's manager told me they're putting together a group
to do a short tour, using the DTB plus Susan Tedeschi
and maybe a sax player. They have a tentative date
at the Paramount in Denver in June, and I'll probably
be sitting in for a tune or two. Yeah! The recording
project we've been talking about is still on hold, as
DT is spread pretty thin these days. I told him I can
come on one day's notice, if I can rent my particular
set of gear in Jacksonville - since my XK-3 uses a
flash-ram for setup storage, I can just yank my card
out of my axe and put it in my wallet, and then shove
it into a rented XK-3 on the other end and have all
my stuff. DT has a "real" B-3 in his studio, and I'll
certainly play it, but I must confess I like my XK
better than any "real" Hammond I've ever owned -
and I've owned damn near all of 'em. Sacrilege! ;-)
> Who was playing said B-3 . . ? ?
A rather enormous black dude.
I mean *enormous*. As we all know, I ain't exactly
petite, but this dude would make me look like a twig.
As I said above, he was so far down in the mix, he
might as well have stayed at home. The one solo he
took that was audible was a rather average-sounding
rock-style smear-fest, with much Leslie speed
switching and all the other schtick that rock players
use. I didn't care for it at all. He may well be an
excellent player - I would expect him to be, given
who his employer is - but let's just say that from what
I heard, he wasn't exactly Jimmy Smith. ;-) He also
had a Rhodes and what appeared to be a Nord
Electro, both on a wing stand at right angles to the
Hammond. He played the Rhodes for part of one
tune (couldn't hear it at all) and never even touched
the Nord, which was fine with me - those sound like
absolute *ass*. (Not that anyone would have been
able to hear it. Did I mention that?)
> Is the G--damn weather warming up out there..??
60 degrees yesterday.
> This global warming shit is freezing me everywhere I go . . ? ? ?
.
Not my department - talk to one of the Global Warming
Cultists on this NG. There certainly ain't no shortage of em.
Lord Valve
Globally Cool
Barry Lennox
wrote:
>Arfa Daily <arfa....@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
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>> "Dave Moore" <valv...@last.net> wrote in message
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>> > Damn, for almost a week I have been forgetting to
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>The modern version is phthalate poisoning from leaching out of plastic
>packaging and bottles. I have an industrial chemist friend in the food
>industry , seriously concerned about this. I am coming to agree with him.
>When I was young you never saw youngsters with bottles (glass or plastic)
>hanging out of their mouths all the time. Anyone would think the function of
>these ubiquitous bottles of water was psychological, like baby's dummies.
The water bottle syndrome is a fascinating one, and I'm certain it's
an affectation or posing thing---- "Look at me, I'm sooooo healthy"
It's mainly younger folk, but they seem utterly unable to move about
the workplace without dragging along their water bottle. I did a
little private survey a while ago, and did observe some correlation
between those who habitually carry water bottles and poorer
performance. No, it was not very scientific and it was a sample of
about 25, but it was far from true that "constant rehydration" equals
a sharper mind, as is often espoused.
Barry
ehsjr
Nope. Cowell produced a tin of ... what?
To prove his point, which was "Rosin has Zinc Chloride in it"
he needs to establish:
1) That the tin contains (or contained) flux
2) That the flux is rosin flux
Even if we can assume 1 above is true, 2 is false.
What he has (or had) in the tin, is acid flux.
The "contains zinc chloride" written on the label tells
you that. So if you use your scoring system, it is
Cowell 0, Prong 1
But the "scoring" isn't the key point.
The sad thing is the possible use by Mr. Cowell, yourself,
or others of an acid flux on electronic gear.
Ed
Elvis Kabong
"Lord Valve" <detr...@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message
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Here we go again - Fart Valve Willy trying to milk out every
frickin' drop of his brush with celebrity.
I just may have to refer to you now as Fart Valve Milky.
KABONG!~!~!~