The end of incandescent bulbs?

[dh]

I heard that all incandescent bulbs will quit being produced and illegal to sell
in 2013. Is that true? I've also heard that some bulbs like the Par 38 outdoor
spots and floods might continue to be available. Is that true? Someone said they
thought pretty much all halogen bulbs will still be available... Can someone
there tell me what the truth actually is? What about entertainment bulbs, like
Par 64s and 56s, and aircraft landing lights...???

[William Sommerwerck]

> I heard that all incandescent bulbs will quit being
> produced and illegal to sell in 2013. Is that true?

No. Only 100W bulbs. Lower-wattage conventional bulbs will be gradually
phased out.

Decorative and special-purpose bulbs (such as those used to light ovens and
refrigerators) will be around for a long time.

> What about entertainment bulbs, like
> Par 64s and 56s, and aircraft landing lights...???

"Throw every light we've got on the runway!"

[Dave Platt]

Not "all" incandescent light bulbs.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phase-out_of_incandescent_light_bulbs
gives a reasonable overview.

The high points:

- The regs mandate a minimum lumens/watt requirement for bulbs in
various wattage ranges.

- The standards kick in over time... currently the U.S. standards for
100-watt bulbs will start applying in October of this year. Bulbs
of lesser wattages have later implementation dates... 40 watt bulbs
are the last ones to which this set of standards will apply (I
don't know the date). California has already implemented an
efficiency standard that has taken the standard 100-watt
incandescent bulbs off of the shelves, I believe.

- As I understand it, most halogen bulbs do meet the efficiency
requirements... a "100-watt equivalent" halogen bulb draws around
75 watts.

- "Light bulbs outside of this range are exempt from the restrictions.
Also exempt are several classes of specialty lights, including
appliance lamps, rough service bulbs, 3-way, colored lamps, stage
lighting, and plant lights."

- A second tier of restrictions is scheduled to become effective in
2020, which will require all "general-purpose' bulbs to deliver at
least 45 lumens per watt (CFL and LED would comply, incandescent
and halogen would not). "Exemptions from the Act include reflector
flood, 3-way, candelabra, colored, and other specialty bulbs".

There are other regulations, in various areas, having to do with lumen
efficiency for outdoor area lighting (e.g. parking lot lights). I
read one article in a trade journal recently which indicated that
almost all new commercial outdoor area lighting being bid for these
days is LED - the reduced electricity cost and reduced maintenance and
improved color rendering (compared to mercury or sodium vapor) is
making it the go-to choice.


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[Dave Platt]

Additional datum: the language in the energy-efficiency bill in
question states:

`(D) GENERAL SERVICE INCANDESCENT LAMP.-
`(i) IN GENERAL.-The term general service
incandescent lamp' means a standard incandescent or
halogen type lamp that-
(I) is intended for general service applications;
(II) has a medium screw base;
(III) has a lumen range of not less than 310 lumens and not
more than 2,600 lumens; and
(IV) is capable of being operated at a voltage range at
least partially within 110 and 130 volts

There are a boatload of explicit exclusions, including reflector lamps
(which I believe would thus exclude outdoor par and spot bulbs),
appliance lamps, rough- and vibration-service lamps, colored lamps,
etc.

[Tom Biasi]

In order to answer those questions one would need crystal balls, mine
are brass.

Tom

[Martin Riddle]

"Dave Platt" <dpl...@radagast.org> wrote in message
news:qph879-...@radagast.org...

You can get 101 watt bulbs ;)
<http://www.servicelighting.com/Sylvania-13305-101A23-6M-120V-A23-Standard-Incandescent-Light-Bulb>

cheers

[a7yvm1...@netzero.com]

AHHHH! What about my lava lamp!!??

[William Sommerwerck]

> AHHHH! What about my Lava Lamp!!??

Good point. Stock up on the bulbs you need.

I have two Giants. I think they take 100W bulbs.

[Chiron]

On Wed, 02 May 2012 16:04:17 -0400, dh wrote:

> I heard that all incandescent bulbs will quit being produced and illegal
> to sell in 2013. Is that true? I've also heard that some bulbs like the

<snip>

Geez, I can just see the black market in light bulbs... go to the guy on
the corner, he takes you into an alley, you look over the wares, buy
something... hope it's not burned out already... hope the police don't
stop you along the way and search you...

I can get you a 100 W for only sixty bucks!

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[Robert Baer]

Aircraft landing lights are obviously terrorist made and subject to
attack by the TSA...

[William Sommerwerck]

>> "Throw every light we've got on the runway!"

> The shit's really gonna hit the fan now.

I watched the Blu-ray last night. You wouldn't believe it, but it's
/gorgeous/ -- apparently from the composite negative. Biroc's lighting has
rich shadows, and creates the appropriate atmosphere for each scene. The
Blu-ray is so much better than any other version I've seen, that I have to
unreservedly recommend it.

[Tom Del Rosso]

I wasn't "aware" of Biroc, but his work goes back to It's a Wonderful Life.

I bet the Jello looks good on blu-ray.

[William Sommerwerck]

"Tom Del Rosso" <td...@verizon.net.invalid> wrote in message
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> William Sommerwerck wrote:

>>>> "Throw every light we've got on the runway!"

>>> The shit's really gonna hit the fan now.

>> I watched the Blu-ray last night. You wouldn't believe it, but it's
>> /gorgeous/ -- apparently from the composite negative. Biroc's

>> lighting has rich shadows, and creates an apt atmosphere

>> for each scene. The Blu-ray is so much better than any other
>> version I've seen, that I have to unreservedly recommend it.

> I wasn't "aware" of Biroc, but his work goes back to "It's a Wonderful
Life".

Though he's a famous cinematographer, his daylight outdoor work in "Blazing
Saddles" was poor. In watching Blu-ray films, of all eras, I've noticed the
indoor lighting is almost always much superior to the outdoor (qv, "Bridge
on the River Kwai"). This isn't surprising -- you have full control of the
lighting on a set.

> I bet the Jell-O looks good on Blu-ray.

Both flavors.

[John Larkin]

We just bought 500 each of 100, 75, and 60 watt bulbs. Maybe we should
buy more.


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[Ian Field]

<dh@.> wrote in message news:9o43q7dkdlm3ntn7v...@4ax.com...

On a recent trip to the supermarket I saw offerings of 20W & 70W halogen
capsules enclosed in a regular sized glass globe with a regular brass cap.

AFAIK ar least some types of halogen lamp are exempt.

[Arfa Daily]

"Ian Field" <gangprob...@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
news:U6Bor.96276$Yw1....@fx12.am4...

I use those, and very good they are too. At least having a frosted envelope,
they produce a nice diffuse light, unlike the clear types, which are pretty
much all you can get in a 'standard' incandescent now here in the UK. One of
the stores that I do work for, stocks a nifty 'DIY' bulb where you buy an
adaptor base once, and an appropriate shaped frosted envelope once, and a
replaceable halogen capsule bulb. That way you can 'construct' your own
standard or golf ball or candle or whatever other shapes they do, bulb. Then
when it fails, you just unscrew the outer envelope, replace the capsule bulb
inside, and screw the outer envelope back on.

These, and the commercially available type mentioned above by Ian, are great
where you have a light fitting that exposes the bulb. I have three such
lampshades (actually crystal teardrops) and they look god-awful if you put
an ecobollox CFL in them ...

Arfa

[k...@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz]

On Thu, 03 May 2012 11:54:37 -0700, John Larkin
<jla...@highlandtechnology.com> wrote:

>On Wed, 02 May 2012 16:04:17 -0400, dh@. wrote:
>
>>I heard that all incandescent bulbs will quit being produced and illegal to sell
>>in 2013. Is that true? I've also heard that some bulbs like the Par 38 outdoor
>>spots and floods might continue to be available. Is that true? Someone said they
>>thought pretty much all halogen bulbs will still be available... Can someone
>>there tell me what the truth actually is? What about entertainment bulbs, like
>>Par 64s and 56s, and aircraft landing lights...???
>
>We just bought 500 each of 100, 75, and 60 watt bulbs. Maybe we should
>buy more.

I have 100 100s and >200 60s. That's stock for home use.

[Morten Leikvoll]

This is an old funny story, but apparently you can still get it..

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2010-10-19/german-firm-bemoans-loss-of-incandescent-light-bulbs-sells-heatballs.html

[Bill Bowden]

On May 3, 5:46 pm, "k...@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz" <k...@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz>
wrote:

> On Thu, 03 May 2012 11:54:37 -0700, John Larkin
>

I saw some 71 watt incandescents for sale. They were energy saver
types, but I didn't buy any. Where do they come up with a number like
71 watts?

-Bill

[k...@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz]

I've seen odd numbers like that with heavy service bulbs, and the like.
Basically, they have a heavier filament...

[William Sommerwerck]

>> I saw some 71 watt incandescents for sale. They were

>> energy-saver types, but I didn't buy any. Where do they

>> come up with a number like 71 watts?

There are such things as 75W bulbs, so replacing one with a 71W bulb will
save you 100Wh every 25 hours of operation. If the bulb is on all the time,
you'd save about $3.50 in electricity a year.

> I've seen odd numbers like that with heavy service bulbs,
> and the like. Basically, they have a heavier filament.

Actually, for a given light output (notice the qualification!!!), heavy-duty
bulbs (like the 130V bulbs installed in hard-to-get-to places, such as
garage-door openers) waste energy. The lower the temperature of the
filament, the less visible light is produced. (This is covered in just about
any physics book.) But the bulb lasts longer, as the life of an incandescent
bulb varies as the 12th power (!!!) of the applied voltage.

This is why tungsten-halogen bulbs produce more light than regular
incandescents. The bulb can run hotter, because the halogen cycle (which
>>requires<< the higher temperature) returns evaporated tungsten to the
filament.

The catch is that you have to leave the bulb on for a while for this to
occur -- you can't be constantly turning it on and off. And if you use a
dimmer, you can't dim the bulb "just a bit", because you'll halt the halogen
cycle, without meaningfully lowering the filament's temperature. (I've seen
this.) To paraphrase Pope... "A >>little<< dimming is a dangerous thing. Dim
>>deep<<, or enter not the power-saving stream."

[Ian Field]

"Bill Bowden" <bpe...@bowdenshobbycircuits.info> wrote in message
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Maybe they were manufactured to a specification other than wattage rating -
and that's what they ended up as.

[Madness]

>
>
> You can get 101 watt bulbs ;)
> <http://www.servicelighting.com/Sylvania-13305-101A23-6M-120V-A23-Standard-Incandescent-Light-Bulb>
>
> cheers
>
>
>

I'd assume those would be classified as "specialty" bulbs. The MBTA
transit system in Boston used to use those "Street Railway" bulbs long
before all the fluorescent & HID lighting. There were made by Sylvania
(GTE) & also came in 56, 151 & 201 watts. Think I still have a few NIB
one's around from the 80s.