OT: OBAMA WINS ANOTHER FOUR YEARS!!!

[bloggs.fred...@gmail.com]

THANK GOD !

[miso]

On 11/6/2012 8:25 PM, bloggs.fred...@gmail.com wrote:
> THANK GOD !
>

Ditto. I'm watching FNC. They are slashing their wrists.

I will admit I'm surprised they can call Ohio with the tallied vote so
close. However, FNC says they are comfortable calling Ohio for Obama.

[bloggs.fred...@gmail.com]

Good question. Either trending on unofficial partial tallies or relying on pre-election polls, but the mostly unreported heavily Democratic and densely populated industrial areas on Lake Erie shore give Obama such an overwhelming lead that the call is a safe bet.

[Gib Bogle]

A few of the s.e.d regulars will be slashing theirs, too.

[Michael A. Terrell]

Go ahead. No one will miss another troll.

[John Larkin]

On Tue, 6 Nov 2012 20:25:21 -0800 (PST),

bloggs.fred...@gmail.com wrote:

>THANK GOD !

It's a tipping point for America, and not a good one.

Oh well, people get the government they deserve.


--

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[brent]

On Nov 7, 12:19 am, Gib Bogle <g.bo...@too.auckland.much.ac.spam.nz>
wrote:

> On 7/11/2012 5:42 p.m., miso wrote:
>

> > On 11/6/2012 8:25 PM, bloggs.fredbloggs.f...@gmail.com wrote:
> >> THANK GOD !
>
> > Ditto. I'm watching FNC. They are slashing their wrists.
>
> > I will admit I'm surprised they can call Ohio with the tallied vote so
> > close. However, FNC says they are comfortable calling Ohio for Obama.
>
> A few of the s.e.d regulars will be slashing theirs, too.

It is sobering for me. A tough night to be sure. It also oddly puts
me at peace. I have spent 4 years tied up in knots seeing the hoax
that has been perpetrated on my country. I see tonight that my fellow
citizens have seen the hoax and embraced it. I do not need to spend
four more years screaming at the outrageousness of it. The people
want it. Somehow, while greatly disappointed, it also makes it easier
for me to accept. I also have finally given up on the second coming of
Ronald Reagan. It is not going to happen.

[bloggs.fred...@gmail.com]

On Wednesday, November 7, 2012 12:59:08 AM UTC-5, John Larkin wrote:
> On Tue, 6 Nov 2012 20:25:21 -0800 (PST),
>
> bloggs.fred...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>
>
> >THANK GOD !
>
>
>
> It's a tipping point for America, and not a good one.
>
>
>
> Oh well, people get the government they deserve.
>

America is not the country you think it is or want it to be. Face it, you're old, intransigent and out of touch.

[brent]

On Nov 7, 1:15 am, bloggs.fredbloggs.f...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Wednesday, November 7, 2012 12:59:08 AM UTC-5, John Larkin wrote:
> > On Tue, 6 Nov 2012 20:25:21 -0800 (PST),
>

> > bloggs.fredbloggs.f...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> > >THANK GOD !
>
> > It's a tipping point for America, and not a good one.
>
> > Oh well, people get the government they deserve.
>
> America is not the country you think it is or want it to be. Face it, you're old, intransigent and out of touch.

Everything is true that you said except the out of touch part. He is
not out of touch with how the foundations of this country got us
here. You are out of touch on that front. We see the termites in the
foundation. You have no idea about history and foundations. But
your side won and you can fundamentally transform America now.

[bloggs.fred...@gmail.com]

I'm pretty sure my knowledge of the history of this country is more in depth than yours. The Constitution went into effect in 1789, that's 223 years ago, and it was ratified by a bunch of fairly loony people. The history of this country is more about /ending up/ where we are and not about any purpose driven plan derived from the founding fathers. Your problem is you're reading too much right wing fantasy fiction history.

[P E Schoen]

wrote in message
news:601dff9e-aeee-4652...@googlegroups.com...

> I'm pretty sure my knowledge of the history of this country is more in
> depth than yours. The Constitution went into effect in 1789, that's 223
> years ago, and it was ratified by a bunch of fairly loony people. The
> history of this country is more about /ending up/ where we are and not
> about any purpose driven plan derived from the founding fathers. Your
> problem is you're reading too much right wing fantasy fiction history.

I just finished watching Romney's concession and Obama's victory speech.
Romney may have actually won if he had not represented himself as being so
radically right-wing, while his record indicates more of a moderate stance.
I don't trust anyone who flip-flops and says anything the audience wants to
hear just for personal gain. I also say good riddance to his self-righteous
smirk when his supporters cheer his etch-a-sketch proclamations.

Romney was predictably gracious upon his loss. I would like to believe he is
a good man, but his ambivalence and accusational attitude have me doubting
his sincerity and true compassion. Obama's speech was inspiring and I would
like to believe what he says about moving forward. Some of the tweets of
hard-line Republicans and right-wing-nutters like Trump show that there is
much wrong with the conservative paradigm. Hopefully there will be some true
effort to reach across the aisle and work together, rather than playing
obstructionist politics and holding the American people hostage.

This is an immense historical event, and I hope most US citizens can get
past their ideological differences and anger to move on to the work that
needs to be done. We need to make some personal sacrifices and accept the
reality of the folly of infinite growth and prosperity, and realize that we
live in a global economy where we are unrealistically overconsuming and
underproducing the rest of the world.

Paul
www.muttleydog.com

[boB]

On Tue, 06 Nov 2012 21:59:13 -0800, John Larkin
<jjla...@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote:

>On Tue, 6 Nov 2012 20:25:21 -0800 (PST),
>bloggs.fred...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>>THANK GOD !
>
>It's a tipping point for America, and not a good one.

Good for the ones that won. They will be able to
live better and reap the benefits from our hard work.

Hopefully we can at least keep working at the jobs
and employees we hire if Obomacare and the policies
of this regime doesn't destroy it.

I hope it doesn't turn out as pessimistic as I am
feeling now. Time will tell.

boB

[Mr Stonebeach]

On Nov 7, 7:19 am, Gib Bogle <g.bo...@too.auckland.much.ac.spam.nz>
wrote:

> A few of the s.e.d regulars will be slashing theirs, too.

This is really not directly my business, as a non-american, and I'm
also
extremely happy that is was Obama and not Romney, but...

Could you refrain from the wrist-slashing talk please? I was just a
moment
ago watching Obamas speech live on our TeeVee, and he seemed to
stress
that it is unity and collaboration, and finding the right compromises
which
makes your country to prosper. Hs aim is to build bridges, and if you
take
him to be your president, why not follow his example?

Wouldn't it be the time now to find the common ground, however small
that
may be? To look forward and see what compromises would be feasible
so that the U.S. debt burden would begin to relieve, and so that
whatever
steps are needed to make the world a better place, those steps could
be
taken. Another four-year right-left deadlock would be devastating.

I was also impressed to see Romneys speech where he admitted having
lost the contest. That was constructive and frank speech, too.

Regards,
Mikko

[Gib Bogle]

The problem with you people is that you believe your own lies, never a
smart idea. How many times have I heard the claim "Obama wants to
destroy America"? It's just a silly lie. It's so obvious that the
problems that the US confronts have been decades in the making, and it
was always clear to any objective observer that recovery from the great
recession was going to take a long time. Luckily a big enough fraction
of the electorate realized this, and were not conned by the lie that
Obama was responsible for the state of the economy. It's very amusing
to watch the shills on Fox trying to invent reasons for Romney's loss,
at all costs avoiding the simple fact that his lies were not believed.

[P E Schoen]

"Gib Bogle" wrote in message news:k7d3gj$nje$1...@speranza.aioe.org...

> The problem with you people is that you believe your own lies,
> never a smart idea. How many times have I heard the claim
> "Obama wants to destroy America"? It's just a silly lie. It's so
> obvious that the problems that the US confronts have been decades
> in the making, and it was always clear to any objective observer
> that recovery from the great recession was going to take a long time.
> Luckily a big enough fraction of the electorate realized this, and
> were not conned by the lie that Obama was responsible for the state
> of the economy. It's very amusing to watch the shills on Fox trying
> to invent reasons for Romney's loss, at all costs avoiding the simple
> fact that his lies were not believed.

Amen. Romney's loss proved that it is unwise to become allied with
extremists such as Donald Trump and Todd Aiken. Most Americans, and most
people in general, anywhere in the world, mostly just want a moderate track
and a fair chance to succeed. The economic woes were caused by greed on the
part of high rollers and gullibility of the underdogs who desperately wanted
a shot at the American dream, however unrealistic that may have been. We all
lost something from that debacle and now we all must share in the blame as
well as the sacrifices we need to make to return to some form of normalcy.

I am a Democrat but I have many conservative principles. The old school
conservatism was never so radically extreme as that championed by many
Republicans, and in order to gain some legitimacy and respect, the
Republican party will need to distance itself from the nutty airbags like
Donald Trump and Rush Limbaugh, and religious dogma and anti-science
denialism, to return to the core principles that are closer to the common
sense centrism that typifies the bulk of informed and successful people.

Paul
www.muttleydog.com

[dagmarg...@yahoo.com]

On Nov 7, 2:31 am, Mr Stonebeach <r...@wmail.fi> wrote:
> On Nov 7, 7:19 am, Gib Bogle <g.bo...@too.auckland.much.ac.spam.nz>
> wrote:
>
> > A few of the s.e.d regulars will be slashing theirs, too.
>
>   This is really not directly my business, as a non-american, and I'm
> also
> extremely happy that is was Obama and not Romney, but...
>
>   Could you refrain from the wrist-slashing talk please? I was just a
> moment
> ago watching Obamas speech live on our TeeVee, and he seemed to
> stress
> that it is unity and collaboration, and finding the right compromises
> which
> makes your country to prosper. Hs aim is to build bridges, and if you
> take
> him to be your president, why not follow his example?

But, his aim is not to build bridges. His aim is to get every
American angry with every other, for imaginary offenses.

He speaks of an America where everyone can succeed, but creates one
where you need permission. His.

He's undermining our very system of government, openly ignoring our
laws to do what pleases him, offering his friends preferential
treatment. For example, Obamacare waivers, or the GM bailout, or
deciding not to enforce the immigration laws. These are the actions
of a ruler.

As he doesn't respect the laws, neither will we.

> Wouldn't it be the time now to find the common ground, however small
> that
> may be? To look forward and see what compromises would be feasible
> so that the U.S. debt burden would begin to relieve,

If he's true to his promises, the debt will increase, perhaps faster.
His "tax the rich" mantra covers 5 or 10% or so of his deficits,
tops. The rest is extra debt.

He wanted to spend a lot more. Republicans stopped him.

> and so that
> whatever
> steps are needed to make the world a better place, those steps could
> be
> taken.

Just adding up the numbers, Obama's spending is responsible for most
of the deficit.

He's also the one dividing us--Obama's making an America where
prosperity comes from your neighbors' pockets, rather than your own
achievement. That's divisive. Expect people to act accordingly.

> Another four-year right-left deadlock would be devastating.

I expect the next four years to be worse, not better.

Thanks for your perspective.

James Arthur

[asdf]

On Tue, 06 Nov 2012 20:25:21 -0800, bloggs.fredbloggs.fred wrote:

> THANK GOD !

Ditto. Although I'm not an US citizen I also was glad Obama won, but what
shocked me is this one.

http://www.latimes.com/features/books/jacketcopy/la-ca-jc-obama-romney-
reading-20121021,0,1421008.story

No trolling/flaming intended and apologies for the off topic, but how can
millions of people be fine having a president whose favorite book list
shows anything written by L. Ron Hubbard at first place?

[Martin Brown]

Their previous President would have had to ask "What's a book?".

At least we haven't been landed with a religious nutter whose favourite
book is "Battlefield Earth". Was his mother frightened by a tin opener?

--
Regards,
Martin Brown

[hamilton]

On 11/7/2012 5:48 AM, dagmarg...@yahoo.com wrote:
>
> But, his aim is not to build bridges. His aim is to get every
> American angry with every other, for imaginary offenses.

I thought that was the goal of the Tea Party !!

>
> I expect the next four years to be worse, not better.

I am sure that will be the case.

But with the number of Tea Party freshman leaving, and the senate in
Obamas hip pocket, worse will be a matter of preference.

h

[UltimatePatriot]

On Wed, 07 Nov 2012 06:40:28 -0700, hamilton <hami...@nothere.com>
wrote:

>On 11/7/2012 5:48 AM, dagmarg...@yahoo.com wrote:
>>
>> But

Wrong group, goddamned BUTtheads!

[Bill Sloman]

On Nov 7, 11:48 pm, dagmargoodb...@yahoo.com wrote:
> On Nov 7, 2:31 am, Mr Stonebeach <r...@wmail.fi> wrote:
> > On Nov 7, 7:19 am, Gib Bogle <g.bo...@too.auckland.much.ac.spam.nz>
> > wrote:
>
> > > A few of the s.e.d regulars will be slashing theirs, too.
>
> >   This is really not directly my business, as a non-american, and I'm
> > also extremely happy that is was Obama and not Romney, but...
>
> >   Could you refrain from the wrist-slashing talk please? I was just a
> > moment ago watching Obamas speech live on our TeeVee, and he
> > seemed to stress that it is unity and collaboration, and finding the right
> > compromises which makes your country to prosper. Hs aim is to build
> > bridges, and if you take
> > him to be your president, why not follow his example?
>
> But, his aim is not to build bridges.  His aim is to get every
> American angry with every other, for imaginary offenses.

Don't be silly. Your side lost, and you won't get another opportunity
to vote for a new president for another four years, or for new
representatives for two.

Shouldn't you give up lying about Democrats for about a year - maybe
eighteen months - in the hope of persuading new lurkers that you can
be rational, in the hope of feeding them party political propaganda in
the last few months when it may do your candidate some good?

> He speaks of an America where everyone can succeed, but creates one
> where you need permission.  His.

Rubbish.

> He's undermining our very system of government, openly ignoring our
> laws to do what pleases him, offering his friends preferential
> treatment. For example, Obamacare waivers, or the GM bailout, or
> deciding not to enforce the immigration laws.  These are the actions
> of a ruler.

Or perhaps a rational administrator. You may not have seen enough of
them to recognise the species.

> As he doesn't respect the laws, neither will we.

As if you ever did.

> > Wouldn't it be the time now to find the common ground, however small
> > that may be? To look forward and see what compromises would be
> > feasible so that the U.S. debt burden would begin to relieve,
>
> If he's true to his promises, the debt will increase, perhaps faster.
> His "tax the rich" mantra covers 5 or 10% or so of his deficits,
> tops.  The rest is extra debt.

Of course, if he gets a working majority in congress, or even a few
half-way rational republican congressmen, he could redirect the
stimulus money to people who could be relied on to spend it, getting
your growth rate up to the point where you can dispense with the
stimulus spending - and the deficit that pays for it - and start
thinking about balancing the budget.

And if he's got enough political clout, he might get on with blocking
all those loop-holes that protect specific industries from corporate
tax. I've just been reading Jonathan Israel's "Democratic
Enlightenment" and he rather presses the point that the Radical
Enlightenment won out over the Moderate Enlightenment because the
Moderate Enlightenment didn't have the justifications to stop the
privileges granted to vested interests that favoured those interests
over ordinary citizens.

The US constitution was actually written by moderate enlightenment
figures - Tom Paine didn't get a look in - and the privileged vested
interests are still doing a lot better in the US than is good for the
country as a whole.

> He wanted to spend a lot more.  Republicans stopped him.

To the detriment of the country, and for their own - imagined -
electoral advantage. Apparently they couldn't fool enough of the
people, I'm delighted to note.

> > and so that whatever
> > steps are needed to make the world a better place, those steps could
> > be taken.
>
> Just adding up the numbers, Obama's spending is responsible for most
> of the deficit.

James Arthur doesn't believe in deficit-funded stimulus spending, so
he can't understand why Obama and his team - and every economist worth
listening to - has been stimulating the US economy.

> He's also the one dividing us--Obama's making an America where
> prosperity comes from your neighbors' pockets, rather than your own
> achievement.  That's divisive. Expect people to act accordingly.

James hasn't yet got it into his head that borrowing money to pay for
the deficit-funded stimulus isn't theft, or that the debt built up
isn't a lesser evil than wrecking the economy by allowing a re-run of
the Great Depression.

> > Another four-year right-left deadlock would be devastating.
>
> I expect the next four years to be worse, not better.

But you are a rabid republican partisan, with some extremely silly
ideas about the right way to run an economy.

> Thanks for your perspective.

It's given James one more excuse to ventilate his demented opinions.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

[dagmarg...@yahoo.com]

In our system, the president isn't really supposed to be that
important. He's not supposed to have power over your daily life, just
caretaker of a pretty decent system.

Now that he can (and does) order you to do any arbitrary thing, it's
getting to be more important.

James Arthur

[Bill Sloman]

On Nov 7, 6:31 pm, boB wrote:
> On Tue, 06 Nov 2012 21:59:13 -0800, John Larkin
>

> <jjlar...@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote:
> >On Tue, 6 Nov 2012 20:25:21 -0800 (PST),
> >bloggs.fredbloggs.f...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> >>THANK GOD !
>
> >It's a tipping point for America, and not a good one.
>
> Good for the ones that won.  They will be able to
> live better and reap the benefits from our hard work.

A standard right-wing claim. Since the top 5% of the income
distribution did 5% better in 2011 than in 2010, and the bottom 80%
did worse, it seems unlikely that it's true.

At the moment the US income distribution is remarkably skewed in
favour of the well-off, and it would seem that what the Republican
supporters had been working hardest at was ripping off the rest of the
population.

There's evidence that if they were a bit less rapacious, they'd
actually do better out of smaller slice of a much bigger pie.

The German economy does a lot better with a Gini index of 28.3% than
the US is doing with a Gini index of 40.8% even Russia does better
with a Gini index of 40.1%.

>Hopefully we can at least keep working at the jobs
> and employees we hire if Obomacare and the policies
> of this regime doesn't destroy it.

This seems unlikely.

> I hope it doesn't turn out as pessimistic as I am
> feeling now.  Time will tell.

It may tell you something. The more dedicated right-wing nitwits like
James Arthur seem to have been permanently brainwashed.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

[John Larkin]

The only big question left: who will Joe Biden pick as his
vice-President? Jesse Jackson Jr would pull in 98% of the black vote,
plus all the employees of the Mayo Clinic. Fauxcahuntas would bring in
most of the women and the American Indians.

[Bill Sloman]

And to think I disliked Ron L. Hubbard because he wrote implausible
nonsense.

James Arthur is a real loss to the science fantasy area. He lacks the
self-discipline to write science fiction, but his capacity for rolling
out huge volumes of total nonsense really should be put to profitable
use.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

[Mr Stonebeach]

On Nov 7, 5:10 pm, John Larkin

<jjlar...@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote:

> The only big question left: who will Joe Biden pick as his
> vice-President?

You don't think it'll be Hillary who'll be picking vice-president
candidates next?

Regards,
Mikko

[Michael A. Terrell]

hamilton wrote:
>
> On 11/7/2012 5:48 AM, dagmarg...@yahoo.com wrote:
> >
> > But, his aim is not to build bridges. His aim is to get every
> > American angry with every other, for imaginary offenses.
>
> I thought that was the goal of the Tea Party !!

You never think. that's why you like Obama.

> > I expect the next four years to be worse, not better.
>
> I am sure that will be the case.
>
> But with the number of Tea Party freshman leaving, and the senate in
> Obamas hip pocket, worse will be a matter of preference.

Only a fool prefers things to get worse.

[Michael A. Terrell]

Some people enjoy laughable horrible science fiction. You wonder
what drugs he was taking when he wrote that drek.

[John Larkin]

On Wed, 7 Nov 2012 08:23:51 -0800 (PST), Mr Stonebeach <r...@wmail.fi>
wrote:

She has a running mate already. It would be great to have Honest Bill
back in the Oral Office, at least late at night.

[lang...@fonz.dk]

On 7 Nov., 17:39, "Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terr...@earthlink.net>
wrote:

he was working on the "bible" for his sect, hoping to get
acknowledged
as a religion so he could avoid paying tax, seem to have worked at
least in some places, maybe he wasn't so crazy after all

-Lasse

[Spehro Pefhany]

On Wed, 7 Nov 2012 08:23:51 -0800 (PST), Mr Stonebeach <r...@wmail.fi>
wrote:

Hillary-Christie 2016?

[Gib Bogle]

On 8/11/2012 3:36 a.m., Bill Sloman wrote:
<snip reasoned response>

> But you are a rabid republican partisan, with some extremely silly
> ideas about the right way to run an economy.

I admire your patience with these drongos.

[hamilton]

The Tea Party wants to make things worse, and they are pulling to make
things as bad as possible.


Let�s just say it: The Republicans are the problem.
-- Thomas E. Mann and Norman J. Ornstein

http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/lets-just-say-it-the-republicans-are-the-problem/2012/04/27/gIQAxCVUlT_story.html

[tm]

<dagmarg...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:4ac9f596-1cf0-4182...@m4g2000yqb.googlegroups.com...

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

I don't know. Maybe the republican house should just go ahead and give oboma
everything he wants. You know, enough rope.

[Michael A. Terrell]

> least in some places, maybe he wasn't so crazy after all.


He was a Liberal con man and a lousy author.

[hamilton]

On 11/7/2012 3:00 PM, tm wrote:
>
> I don't know. Maybe the republican house should just go ahead and give
> oboma everything he wants. You know, enough rope.
>
>
>

Let’s just say it: The Republicans are the problem.

-- Thomas E. Mann and Norman J. Ornstein

We have been studying Washington politics and Congress for more than 40
years, and never have we seen them this dysfunctional. In our past
writings, we have criticized both parties when we believed it was
warranted. Today, however, we have no choice but to acknowledge that the
core of the problem lies with the Republican Party.

The GOP has become an insurgent outlier in American politics. It is
ideologically extreme; scornful of compromise; unmoved by conventional
understanding of facts, evidence and science; and dismissive of the
legitimacy of its political opposition.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/lets-just-say-it-the-republicans-are-the-problem/2012/04/27/gIQAxCVUlT_story.html

If your willing to hear it for your self, if not just sit there in the
dark and be quit.
http://www.npr.org/programs/fresh-air/

[Bill Sloman]

On Nov 8, 3:34 am, "Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terr...@earthlink.net>
wrote:
> hamilton wrote:

>
> > On 11/7/2012 5:48 AM, dagmargoodb...@yahoo.com wrote:
>
> > > But, his aim is not to build bridges.  His aim is to get every
> > > American angry with every other, for imaginary offenses.
>
> > I thought that was the goal of the Tea Party !!
>
>    You never think.  that's why you like Obama.

He doesn't think the same way that you do, for which he is to be
congratulated. The proposition that because he comes to different
conclusions from you, he can't be thinking isn't at all persuasive.

My reading of the situation is that he knows more than you - which
wouldn't be difficult - and his extra knowledge leads him to come to
different conclusions.

> > > I expect the next four years to be worse, not better.
>
> > I am sure that will be the case.
>
> > But with the number of Tea Party freshman leaving, and the senate in
> > Obamas hip pocket, worse will be a matter of preference.
>
>    Only a fool prefers things to get worse.

I think the preference meant was in what was considered to be worse.
James Arthur sees four more years of Barack Obama as worse, because it
means another year or so deficit-funded Kenyesian stimulus spending.
He doesn't believe in that Keynesian stimulus spending does anything
good for the economy - despite the evidence - and thus feels free to
fulminate about the increasing debt.

More realistic observers understand that the consequences of a
balanced budget would be a rapidly shrinking economy and tax base, and
even worse debt, coupled with a progressively decreasing capacity to
ever pay it off.

James Arthur's preferences, if adopted, would wreck your economy quite
comprehensively, but he's precisely the kind of fool who'd be happier
if they were put into practice.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

[Bill Sloman]

On Nov 8, 3:57 am, John Larkin

<jjlar...@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote:
> On Wed, 7 Nov 2012 08:23:51 -0800 (PST), Mr Stonebeach <r...@wmail.fi>
> wrote:
>
> >On Nov 7, 5:10 pm, John Larkin
> ><jjlar...@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote:
>
> >> The only big question left: who will Joe Biden pick as his
> >> vice-President?
>
> >  You don't think it'll be Hillary who'll be picking vice-president
> >candidates next?
>
> >  Regards,
> >                 Mikko
>
> She has a running mate already. It would be great to have HonestBill
> back in the Oral Office, at least late at night.

If the economy was doing as well under Obama as it did under Clinton,
you'd all be a lot happier.

If the choice was between a competent libertine like Clinton and
sexually straight-laced but financially corrupt incompetent like
Dubbya, there's a lot to be said for a little judicious toleration of
sexual variations.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

[Bill Sloman]

On Nov 8, 9:28 am, "Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terr...@earthlink.net>
wrote:

If he'd been a conservative con man and an equally lousy author, would
that have been alright?

In fact con men can't be said to have a political bias - they'll tell
their victims whatever they think will persuade the victims tp cough
up more money (or in Romney's case, more votes - whence the variations
in his stance from the time he was trying to get the Tea Party to give
him the candidacy to time when he was trying to get all the US voters
to elect him to the presidency). Some of us noticed.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

[dagmarg...@yahoo.com]

On Nov 7, 9:36 am, Bill Sloman <bill.slo...@ieee.org> wrote:
> On Nov 7, 11:48 pm, dagmargoodb...@yahoo.com wrote:

> > Just adding up the numbers, Obama's spending is responsible for most
> > of the deficit.
>
> James Arthur doesn't believe in deficit-funded stimulus spending, so
> he can't understand why Obama and his team - and every economist worth
> listening to - has been stimulating the US economy.

You've never shown that forcible redistribution has over-unity gain.
It doesn't.

> > He's also the one dividing us--Obama's making an America where
> > prosperity comes from your neighbors' pockets, rather than your own
> > achievement.  That's divisive. Expect people to act accordingly.
>
> James hasn't yet got it into his head that borrowing money to pay for
> the deficit-funded stimulus isn't theft, or that the debt built up
> isn't a lesser evil than wrecking the economy by allowing a re-run of
> the Great Depression.

Taking from A to give to B doesn't make more. Borrow it, then tax A
later--it's still a taking. In fact, it terrorizes A--who made it--
into making less.

Obama's extending the recession.

Waving your hands faster doesn't change it. :-)

--
Cheers,
James Arthur

[John Larkin]

On Wed, 7 Nov 2012 15:01:54 -0800 (PST), Bill Sloman
<bill....@ieee.org> wrote:

>On Nov 8, 3:57 am, John Larkin
><jjlar...@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote:
>> On Wed, 7 Nov 2012 08:23:51 -0800 (PST), Mr Stonebeach <r...@wmail.fi>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >On Nov 7, 5:10 pm, John Larkin
>> ><jjlar...@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote:
>>
>> >> The only big question left: who will Joe Biden pick as his
>> >> vice-President?
>>
>> >  You don't think it'll be Hillary who'll be picking vice-president
>> >candidates next?
>>
>> >  Regards,
>> >                 Mikko
>>
>> She has a running mate already. It would be great to have HonestBill
>> back in the Oral Office, at least late at night.
>
>If the economy was doing as well under Obama as it did under Clinton,
>you'd all be a lot happier.
>

Clinton took credit for a burst of capital-gains revenue from a
dot-com boom (Dr Kopp, Pets.com, Webvan) that started busting while he
was still in office. He didn't invent the Internet. He did repeal The
Glass–Steagall Act, which set up the big real estate crash that W
warned about, and then got blamed for. And, the now champion of gay
rights signed the Defense of Marriage Act. He let a million people die
in Rowanda, too; he has said, in effect, oops, sorry for that one.

He was also a serial philanderer and likely a rapist. He lied straight
to the American public about that. No wonder you admire him so.

>If the choice was between a competent libertine like Clinton and
>sexually straight-laced but financially corrupt incompetent like
>Dubbya, there's a lot to be said for a little judicious toleration of
>sexual variations.

Show us how financially competant you are. Get a job.



--

John Larkin Highland Technology, Inc

jlarkin at highlandtechnology dot com

http://www.highlandtechnology.com

Precision electronic instrumentation
Picosecond-resolution Digital Delay and Pulse generators

Custom laser drivers and controllers

Photonics and fiberoptic TTL data links

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[Jamie]

dagmarg...@yahoo.com wrote:

> On Nov 7, 2:31 am, Mr Stonebeach <r...@wmail.fi> wrote:
>
>>On Nov 7, 7:19 am, Gib Bogle <g.bo...@too.auckland.much.ac.spam.nz>
>>wrote:
>>
>>
>>>A few of the s.e.d regulars will be slashing theirs, too.
>>
>> This is really not directly my business, as a non-american, and I'm
>>also
>>extremely happy that is was Obama and not Romney, but...
>>
>> Could you refrain from the wrist-slashing talk please? I was just a
>>moment
>>ago watching Obamas speech live on our TeeVee, and he seemed to
>>stress
>>that it is unity and collaboration, and finding the right compromises
>>which
>>makes your country to prosper. Hs aim is to build bridges, and if you
>>take
>>him to be your president, why not follow his example?
>
>

> But, his aim is not to build bridges. His aim is to get every
> American angry with every other, for imaginary offenses.
>

> He speaks of an America where everyone can succeed, but creates one
> where you need permission. His.
>
> He's undermining our very system of government, openly ignoring our
> laws to do what pleases him, offering his friends preferential
> treatment. For example, Obamacare waivers, or the GM bailout, or
> deciding not to enforce the immigration laws. These are the actions
> of a ruler.
>
> As he doesn't respect the laws, neither will we.
>
>
>>Wouldn't it be the time now to find the common ground, however small
>>that
>>may be? To look forward and see what compromises would be feasible
>>so that the U.S. debt burden would begin to relieve,
>
>
> If he's true to his promises, the debt will increase, perhaps faster.
> His "tax the rich" mantra covers 5 or 10% or so of his deficits,
> tops. The rest is extra debt.
>
> He wanted to spend a lot more. Republicans stopped him.
>
>
>>and so that
>>whatever
>>steps are needed to make the world a better place, those steps could
>>be
>>taken.
>
>

> Just adding up the numbers, Obama's spending is responsible for most
> of the deficit.
>

> He's also the one dividing us--Obama's making an America where
> prosperity comes from your neighbors' pockets, rather than your own
> achievement. That's divisive. Expect people to act accordingly.
>
>

>>Another four-year right-left deadlock would be devastating.
>
>

> I expect the next four years to be worse, not better.
>

> Thanks for your perspective.
>
> James Arthur

Eye, I agree 120%..

It's going to be a sad state of affairs for the next few years.

The first one's that will complain are those that voted for him, those
are the ones that usually expect hand outs and run their mouth with
nothing but propaganda garbage and lots of finger pointing when they
don't get what they expected, which we know is going to be the case.

It's my belief that those under 25, not working and not drawing
unemployment at the time, should not be allowed to vote. The exception
to the rule are those that are on SSI due to retirement from a working
career, should be allowed to vote and cases like that.

We have far too many immature minds and free loaders casting votes
only for their own selfish needs and miss guided beliefs. Many of these
youngsters are those attending college and being brainwashed by the
faculty. Many institutes involved with conditioning of the young have
always played a role in brain washing the kids to vote in their interest
at election time, they are crafty at it. The young mind is so easily fooled.

Jamie

[Jamie]

Gib Bogle wrote:

> On 7/11/2012 8:31 p.m., boB wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 06 Nov 2012 21:59:13 -0800, John Larkin

>> <jjla...@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Tue, 6 Nov 2012 20:25:21 -0800 (PST),
>>> bloggs.fred...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
>>>> THANK GOD !
>>>
>>>
>>> It's a tipping point for America, and not a good one.
>>
>>
>>

>> Good for the ones that won. They will be able to
>> live better and reap the benefits from our hard work.
>>

>> Hopefully we can at least keep working at the jobs
>> and employees we hire if Obomacare and the policies
>> of this regime doesn't destroy it.
>>

>> I hope it doesn't turn out as pessimistic as I am
>> feeling now. Time will tell.
>
>

> The problem with you people is that you believe your own lies, never a
> smart idea. How many times have I heard the claim "Obama wants to
> destroy America"? It's just a silly lie. It's so obvious that the
> problems that the US confronts have been decades in the making, and it
> was always clear to any objective observer that recovery from the great
> recession was going to take a long time. Luckily a big enough fraction
> of the electorate realized this, and were not conned by the lie that
> Obama was responsible for the state of the economy. It's very amusing
> to watch the shills on Fox trying to invent reasons for Romney's loss,
> at all costs avoiding the simple fact that his lies were not believed.
>
Ok, so you say Obama does not lie but Romney does?

So now we're suppose to knock on your door for guidance? I don't think
you know which day of the week you're suppose to report to work, oh
wait, you are most likely one of those, forget it, it's beyond you.

Jamie

[k...@att.bizzz]

There isn't enough makeup in the world.

[k...@att.bizzz]

It was a bet.

[Jamie]

bloggs.fred...@gmail.com wrote:

> On Wednesday, November 7, 2012 1:28:25 AM UTC-5, brent wrote:

>
>>On Nov 7, 1:15 am, bloggs.fredbloggs.f...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>
>>>On Wednesday, November 7, 2012 12:59:08 AM UTC-5, John Larkin wrote:
>>

>>>>On Tue, 6 Nov 2012 20:25:21 -0800 (PST),

>>
>>>>bloggs.fredbloggs.f...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>>>>THANK GOD !
>>
>>>>It's a tipping point for America, and not a good one.
>>

>>>>Oh well, people get the government they deserve.
>>
>>>America is not the country you think it is or want it to be. Face it, you're old, intransigent and out of touch.
>>
>>
>>

>>Everything is true that you said except the out of touch part. He is
>>
>>not out of touch with how the foundations of this country got us
>>
>>here. You are out of touch on that front. We see the termites in the
>>
>>foundation. You have no idea about history and foundations. But
>>
>>your side won and you can fundamentally transform America now.
>
>
> I'm pretty sure my knowledge of the history of this country is more in depth than yours. The Constitution went into effect in 1789, that's 223 years ago, and it was ratified by a bunch of fairly loony people. The history of this country is more about /ending up/ where we are and not about any purpose driven plan derived from the founding fathers. Your problem is you're reading too much right wing fantasy fiction history.

Another one that likes to persuade others to their idiotic ideas. I
hope you sleep well at night? I know you won't be in a few short coming
years. You'll have yourself and buddies to thank for it.

It just goes to show how much you and those like you really know about
the history of this country. You seem to be hell bent on destroying it,
well, your kind is doing a fine job of it as you can see. You can stand
on your toes all you want and wave that flag of yours and point fault at
others, but when the walls come crashing down on you, and they will, I
will rejoice that day. For now, I'll have to figure out how I am going
to survive this.


I come from a line of very poor people, born in ME, USA where my
father had to work 2 jobs as a cook, pick scrap metal, work in the woods
and dig claims with his hands to feed us. Once in a while he would leave
for a logging camp for a couple of weeks and my grandmother would take
care of us, she wasn't any better off, my uncles helped her out when my
father was away, what little they had.

Eventually he ended up getting drafted and my two brothers, including
me ended up separated and placed in foster homes until they deemed him
financially fit to take care of us, which he did after the time in the
service. Yes, my father served, he earned his right.

We didn't have electricity, even though it was there of course, we
had out houses and at times, we had to use a hole in the ground and
cover it. Yes, also when I was 5 we lived in a car for a week before my
parents could get a place for us. My mother at that time, was incapable
of taking care of us. She didn't work mostly because back then it was
voodoo for a woman to work, it was the mans jobs. She took care of the
house. she did have a drinking problem which led into worse things down
the road.

For bathes, we had a galvanized steel tub and if we were lucky, the
hand crank pump in the house would work and we'd get water and maybe
enough wood to heat it up, otherwise, we'd have to go to the well and
drop the bucket in and hope the water table was high enough to get some.

My father never asked for aid because he was too proud, something you
don't understand. Also back then aid wasn't available like it is now to
the free loaders.

We kept hunting rifles loaded near by just in case we got lucky and
saw something we could take a shoot at for a snack or ward off intruders
trying to steel what little we had. Yes, where I was raised we used guns
to keep those out that didn't belong.


Jamie

[Jamie]

bloggs.fred...@gmail.com wrote:

> On Wednesday, November 7, 2012 12:59:08 AM UTC-5, John Larkin wrote:
>
>>On Tue, 6 Nov 2012 20:25:21 -0800 (PST),
>>

>>bloggs.fred...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>THANK GOD !
>>
>>
>>
>>It's a tipping point for America, and not a good one.
>>
>>
>>
>>Oh well, people get the government they deserve.
>>
>
>
> America is not the country you think it is or want it to be. Face it, you're old, intransigent and out of touch.

And you're living a delusional life.

Jamie

[Jamie]

brent wrote:

> On Nov 7, 12:19 am, Gib Bogle <g.bo...@too.auckland.much.ac.spam.nz>
> wrote:
>
>>On 7/11/2012 5:42 p.m., miso wrote:

>>
>>
>>>On 11/6/2012 8:25 PM, bloggs.fredbloggs.f...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
>>>>THANK GOD !
>>

>>>Ditto. I'm watching FNC. They are slashing their wrists.
>>
>>>I will admit I'm surprised they can call Ohio with the tallied vote so
>>>close. However, FNC says they are comfortable calling Ohio for Obama.

>>
>>A few of the s.e.d regulars will be slashing theirs, too.
>
>

> It is sobering for me. A tough night to be sure. It also oddly puts
> me at peace. I have spent 4 years tied up in knots seeing the hoax
> that has been perpetrated on my country. I see tonight that my fellow
> citizens have seen the hoax and embraced it. I do not need to spend
> four more years screaming at the outrageousness of it. The people
> want it. Somehow, while greatly disappointed, it also makes it easier
> for me to accept. I also have finally given up on the second coming of
> Ronald Reagan. It is not going to happen.

Stay tuned, it only gets worse...

If you want my honest opinion, I think Obama was hoping to lose
because I bet he absolutely has no idea what he's going to do in the
next four years. If I was in his shoes, I would hope for some one to
win against me so I could quality fade away and let some one else take
the heat for the screw up!.

Jamie

[Jamie]

John Larkin wrote:

> On Tue, 6 Nov 2012 20:25:21 -0800 (PST),
> bloggs.fred...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>
>>THANK GOD !
>
>
> It's a tipping point for America, and not a good one.
>
> Oh well, people get the government they deserve.
>
>

You mean those that voted for him, I didn't Thank you.

Jamie

[Jamie]

bloggs.fred...@gmail.com wrote:

> THANK GOD !

Please go away,,,

You are a diseased mental case.. most likely part of the
free loader groups.


You fit right into the bird feeder scenario.

I look at it this way, when the well dries up, and it will,
we can rest knowing the population of the US will decline and
you most likely will be part of that decline, simply because you'll
be looking for another place to live that offers endless amounts of
seeds and can shit any where you'd like and bite the hand that feeds you.

Jamie

[hamilton]

On 11/7/2012 4:45 PM, John Larkin wrote:
>
> Clinton took credit for a burst of capital-gains revenue from a
> dot-com boom (Dr Kopp, Pets.com, Webvan) that started busting while he
> was still in office. He didn't invent the Internet. He did repeal The

> Glass�Steagall Act, which set up the big real estate crash that W

> warned about, and then got blamed for.

WOW, are you lost !!!!

The Subprime Mess and Phil Gramm: An Experiment in Deregulation

http://losangeles.legalexaminer.com/miscellaneous/the-subprime-mess-and-phil-gramm-an-experiment-in-deregulation.aspx

Clinton did NOT repeal the Glass-Steagall Act.

In 1999, former Senator Phil Gramm (who is, incidentally, Senator John
McCain's economic adviser and cochairs his presidential campaign) set
out to completely gut the Glass-Steagall Act, and did so successfully,
replacing most of its components with the new Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act:
allowing commercial banks, investment banks, and insurers to merge
(which would have violated antitrust laws under Glass-Steagall). Sen.
Gramm was the driving force behind the Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act, as he had
received over $4.6 million from the FIRE sector (Finance, Insurance and
Real Estate donations) over the previous decade, and once the Act
passed, an influx of "megamergers" took place among banks and insurance
and securities companies, as if they had been eagerly awaiting the
passage of Gramm's Act. Everything in between Glass-Steagall and
Gramm-Leach-Bliley (i.e. Savings and Loan crisis/bust) was, in large
part, the incubation period for what would take place over the nine
years that would follow the passage of Gramm's Act: an experiment in
deregulation.

Phil Gramm "passed" his act behind closed doors.

Bush got blamed for what Phil Gramm did:

Shortly after George W. Bush was elected president, Congress and
President Clinton were trying to pass a $384 billion omnibus spending
bill, and while the debates swirled around the passage of this bill,
Senator Phil Gramm clandestinely slipped a 262-page amendment into the
omnibus appropriations bill titled: Commodity Futures Modernization Act.

And Bush said it was OK !!

Engineering is your field, not history !!!

[Michael A. Terrell]

Maybe they can hire Earl Schribe?

[Bill Sloman]

On Nov 8, 10:45 am, John Larkin <jlar...@highlandtechnology.com>
wrote:

> On Wed, 7 Nov 2012 15:01:54 -0800 (PST),BillSloman
> <bill.slo...@ieee.org> wrote:
> >On Nov 8, 3:57 am, John Larkin
> ><jjlar...@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote:
> >> On Wed, 7 Nov 2012 08:23:51 -0800 (PST), Mr Stonebeach <r...@wmail.fi>
> >> wrote:
> >> >On Nov 7, 5:10 pm, John Larkin
> >> ><jjlar...@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote:
>
> >> >> The only big question left: who will Joe Biden pick as his
> >> >> vice-President?
>
> >> > You don't think it'll be Hillary who'll be picking vice-president
> >> >candidates next?
>
> >> > Regards,
>

> >> She has a running mate already. It would be great to have HonestBill
> >> back in the Oral Office, at least late at night.
>
> >If the economy was doing as well under Obama as it did under Clinton,
> >you'd all be a lot happier.
>
> Clinton took credit for a burst of capital-gains revenue from a
> dot-com boom (Dr Kopp, Pets.com, Webvan) that started busting while he
> was still in office. He didn't invent the Internet. He did repeal The
> Glass Steagall Act, which set up the big real estate crash that W
> warned about, and then got blamed for. And, the now champion of gay
> rights signed the Defense of Marriage Act. He let a million people die
> in Rowanda, too; he has said, in effect, oops, sorry for that one.

As Hamilton has pointed out, you don't know US history.

> He was also a serial philanderer

True. But his marriage survived - peoples attitudes on this subject do
differ, but it doesn't seem to have much to do with competence as an
administrator, except perhaps the capacity to manage multiple sexual
relationships may be coupled with a superior capacity to manage other
kinds of relationships.

>and likely a rapist.

That's actually very unlikely, but your ill-informed imagine won't be
inhibited by the total absence of evidence to sustain a distinctly
libelous allegation.

>He lied straight to the American public about that.

He displayed a lawyer-like capacity to choose his words. You do seem
to be a bit to dim to appreciate this.

> No wonder you admire him so.

Whoever said I did? He's a whole lot better than Dubbya everywhere
that it mattered, and he was rather more successful than Obama has
been, albeit in rather easier circumstances, but I'd be admiring him
for skills that I don't value all that highly, and I certainly don't
admire libertines, though I am prepared to tolerate them

> >If the choice was between a competent libertine like Clinton and
> >sexually straight-laced but financially corrupt incompetent like
> >Dubbya, there's a lot to be said for a little judicious toleration of
> >sexual variations.
>

> Show us how financially competent you are. Get a job.

That wouldn't actually demonstrate financial competence - it would
require something closer to miracle-working skills at my age, and in
my somewhat up-rooted situation.

But you aren't inhibited by rationality when you are composing your
offensive parting shots, as we are all well aware by now.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

[Robert Baer]

bloggs.fred...@gmail.com wrote:
> THANK GOD !

4 years? You mean 8 years minimum.
Do not tell me about the so-called constitution it has been so
trashed that little is left.

[Bill Sloman]

On Nov 8, 11:09 am, Jamie

Romney flipped from being a Tea Party right-winger when he was going
for the nomination to being a "moderate" Repulbican after he'd got it.
Obama didn't have the same kind of problem.

Politicians are certainly expert at misleading the public, but Romney
was stuck with trying to mislead his public a lot more vigorously than
Obama ever had to.

>   So now we're suppose to knock on your door for guidance? I don't think

That's our Jamie.

>   you know which day of the week you're suppose to report to work, oh
> wait, you are most likely one of those, forget it, it's beyond you.

Can't even finish a sentence.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

[Bill Sloman]

On Nov 8, 11:50 am, Jamie
<jamie_ka1lpa_not_valid_after_ka1l...@charter.net> wrote:

> bloggs.fredbloggs.f...@gmail.com wrote:
> > On Wednesday, November 7, 2012 12:59:08 AM UTC-5, John Larkin wrote:
>
> >>On Tue, 6 Nov 2012 20:25:21 -0800 (PST),
>

> >>bloggs.fredbloggs.f...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> >>>THANK GOD !
>
> >>It's a tipping point for America, and not a good one.
>
> >>Oh well, people get the government they deserve.
>
> > America is not the country you think it is or want it to be. Face it, you're old, intransigent and out of touch.
>
>   And you're living a delusional life.

A trifle ironic, coming from Jamie, who thinks that he is a practical
man who can see through the claims of people who claim to be clever
than he is, and is in fact a dimbo who doesn't appreciate precisely
how dim he is.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

[Bill Sloman]

On Nov 8, 11:55 am, Jamie

Sadly, you won't have your nose rubbed in the consequences of your
stupidity.

Happily, the rest of us won't have our noses rubbed in it either.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

[Bill Sloman]

On Nov 8, 1:12 pm, Robert Baer <robertb...@localnet.com> wrote:

The founding tax evaders did a tolerable job, but they did it a long
time ago, and we now know a lot more about writing constitutions that
work. Sadly, nobody seems to be contemplating re-writing yours to
incorporate what we've learned over the past 225 years.

Far from being trashed, what you've got is being kept running long
past its sell-by date.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

[Bill Sloman]

On Nov 8, 12:00 pm, Jamie
<jamie_ka1lpa_not_valid_after_ka1l...@charter.net> wrote:

Jamie's too dim to realise that he's the bird-brain in this
environment. If he had a slightly better reading capacity he'd be
aware that fred bloggs is no free-loader.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

[John Larkin]

On Wed, 07 Nov 2012 18:24:54 -0700, hamilton <hami...@nothere.com>
wrote:

>On 11/7/2012 4:45 PM, John Larkin wrote:
>>
>> Clinton took credit for a burst of capital-gains revenue from a
>> dot-com boom (Dr Kopp, Pets.com, Webvan) that started busting while he
>> was still in office. He didn't invent the Internet. He did repeal The

>> Glass亡teagall Act, which set up the big real estate crash that W

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glass%E2%80%93Steagall_Act

"Most notably, Citibank痴 1998 affiliation with Salomon Smith Barney,
one of the largest US securities firms, was permitted under the
Federal Reserve Board痴 then existing interpretation of the
Glass亡teagall Act.[5] President Bill Clinton publicly declared "the
Glass亡teagall law is no longer appropriate."[6] "


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gramm%E2%80%93Leach%E2%80%93Bliley_Act

"With the passage of the Gramm豊each烹liley Act, commercial banks,
investment banks, securities firms, and insurance companies were
allowed to consolidate. The legislation was signed into law by
President Bill Clinton."

Clinton was an advocate of bank deregulation before he was President.
He gave it the green light, and signed it.



--

John Larkin Highland Technology Inc
www.highlandtechnology.com jlarkin at highlandtechnology dot com

Precision electronic instrumentation
Picosecond-resolution Digital Delay and Pulse generators

Custom timing and laser controllers

Photonics and fiberoptic TTL data links

VME analog, thermocouple, LVDT, synchro, tachometer
Multichannel arbitrary waveform generators

[John Larkin]

It's certainly not the country I want it to be. The black unemployment
rate is over 14% and would be higher, except they don't count the
people in prison as "seeking employment." A black kid is more likely
to go to prison than to college. Maybe 1000 times more likely to go to
prison than become an electronic design engineer.

Detroit and New Orleans are going back to fields of weeds. There are
five murders on a good day in Oakland.

The Great Society has failed, and more specifically held down and
exploited, the poor in this country. LBJ knew how to play the game.

I'm doing fine. I have a net worth that exceeds the combined net worth
of the poorest 100 million Americans. That's not hard: anybody with a
positive $20 net worth does that. And I'm not happy about that
situation.

It's not going to get better now. The rich will get richer and the
poor will get poorer. It's by design.

[bloggs.fred...@gmail.com]

The founding fathers who produced the first version of the Constitution wanted a strong central government. They wanted this because they lived first hand through the chaos of the Articles of Confederation:

"The determined Madison had for several years insatiably studied history and political theory searching for a solution to the political and economic dilemmas he saw plaguing America. The Virginian's labors convinced him of the futility and weakness of confederacies of independent states. America's own government under the Articles of Confederation, Madison was convinced, had to be replaced. In force since 1781, established as a "league of friendship" and a constitution for the 13 sovereign and independent states after the Revolution, the articles seemed to Madison woefully inadequate. With the states retaining considerable power, the central government, he believed, had insufficient power to regulate commerce. It could not tax and was generally impotent in setting commercial policy It could not effectively support a war effort. It had little power to settle quarrels between states. Saddled with this weak government, the states were on the brink of economic disaster. The evidence was overwhelming. Congress was attempting to function with a depleted treasury; paper money was flooding the country, creating extraordinary inflation--a pound of tea in some areas could be purchased for a tidy $100; and the depressed condition of business was taking its toll on many small farmers. Some of them were being thrown in jail for debt, and numerous farms were being confiscated and sold for taxes."

"Madison thought he had the answer. He wanted a strong central government to provide order and stability. "Let it be tried then," he wrote, "whether any middle ground can be taken which will at once support a due supremacy of the national authority," while maintaining state power only when "subordinately useful." The resolute Virginian looked to the Constitutional Convention to forge a new government in this mold."

It is the same now as then. A strong central government capable of regulating special and local interests is a necessary and sufficient condition for a strong nation.

http://www.archives.gov/exhibits/charters/constitution_history.html

[bloggs.fred...@gmail.com]

You might focus in on the bit about general welfare in the preamble to the Constitution of your government:

"We the people of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America."

[Martin Riddle]

<bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:e35ab230-8279-4dbe...@googlegroups.com...
> THANK GOD !

Look at it this way. When the Shit hits the fan, O bummer will get
blamed.

Cheers

[Gib Bogle]

On 8/11/2012 1:15 p.m., Jamie wrote:

> So now we're suppose to knock on your door for guidance? I don't think
> you know which day of the week you're suppose to report to work, oh
> wait, you are most likely one of those, forget it, it's beyond you.

You know about as much about those who oppose him as Romney does, with
his extremely foolish talk about the 47%.

[Gib Bogle]

Since you apparently were not paying attention, I'll enlighten you. The
shit has already hit the fan, it happened before Obama took office. How
can educated people be so ignorant?

[P E Schoen]

(Fred Bloggs) wrote in message
news:dacc4217-2b3a-42f5...@googlegroups.com...

> It is the same now as then. A strong central government capable of
> regulating special and local interests is a necessary and sufficient
> condition for a strong nation.

> http://www.archives.gov/exhibits/charters/constitution_history.html

Good find. In so many ways, we are "all in this together", and a strong
central government is vital for our survival and mutual assistance with
problems that extend beyond state borders (which is almost everything these
days). Natural disasters, such as hurricanes like Sandy and Katrina, and the
imminent Cascadia earthquake, are devastating and require a united effort.
And we can't allow states like WV to engage in environmentally harmful
operations like mountaintop removal and fracking which endanger health of
people in bordering states as much as nuclear ICBMs in Cuba threatened us in
the 1960s.

There are some signs of cooperation from right-wingers, and those who are
more right-whiners like Donald Trump have shown how small-minded (and
potentially dangerous) they really are.

Paul
www.muttleydog.com

[Michael A. Terrell]

The 47% that would never vote for him.

[Michael A. Terrell]

Gib Bogle wrote:
>
> How can educated people be so ignorant?

I'd ask you to tell us, but you're too ignorant.

[Jim Thompson]

On Thu, 8 Nov 2012 04:24:42 -0500, "P E Schoen" <pa...@peschoen.com>
wrote:

Sounds nice. Above examples of why the US is fucked. We can't
continue to spend more than we make.

And we WV'ers will do whatever the fuck we want...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seal_of_West_Virginia

Montani Semper Liberi (Latin for "Mountaineers are Always Free") is
the official motto of the state of West Virginia

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[Jim Thompson]

Forgot to include:

To deal with crazy people we perform a frontal lobotomy. This is
unnecessary with liberals, they're born that way :-)

But, hey! I'm OK with raising taxes so the government can waste more
money. And I really don't give a rat's ass if gasoline goes to
$10-15/gallon, and electricity to $1/kWh.

And we're a third rate nation relative to education.

ENJOY the fruits of your vote!

[libero....@gmail.com]

In this discussion of Republicans vs Democrats, I am surprised nobody has mentioned the strong tendency of Republicans leaders to go around the world to murder innocent people and steal their belongings (the latest case I know is Iraq, but many other cases happened for instance in Latin America).
Murdeing and stealing is against the 10 commandments, and this is amazing considering that Christian communities often vote republican.
This is *much* more important than most of the other issues on the table.

Libero

[Joe Chisolm]

1861


--
Chisolm
Republic of Texas

[Jim Thompson]

I think you're right... that's what is coming :-(

We were watching multiple segments of "Moonshiners" on the Discovery
Channel last night.

My wife's cogent observation... "those are the kind of people who can
survive anything... and they didn't vote for Obama" ;-)

If the country unravels, I'll be heading back to the family-owned
caverns :-)

[bloggs.fred...@gmail.com]

On Thursday, November 8, 2012 1:09:11 PM UTC-5, libero....@gmail.com wrote:
> In this discussion of Republicans vs Democrats, I am surprised nobody has mentioned the strong tendency of Republicans leaders to go around the world to murder innocent people and steal their belongings (the latest case I know is Iraq, but many other cases happened for instance in Latin America).
>
> Murdeing and stealing is against the 10 commandments, and this is amazing considering that Christian communities often vote republican.
>
> This is *much* more important than most of the other issues on the table.
>

It is not despite their religious convictions but because of them. The lunatics are great believers in Manifest Destiny:

1. the virtue of the American people and their institutions;

2. the mission to spread these institutions, thereby redeeming and remaking the world in the image of the United States.;

and

3. the destiny under God to do this work.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manifest_destiny

[bloggs.fred...@gmail.com]

On Thursday, November 8, 2012 1:41:41 PM UTC-5, Jim Thompson wrote:

> My wife's cogent observation... "those are the kind of people who can
>
> survive anything... and they didn't vote for Obama" ;-)
>

They probably didn't vote for anyone. The TV show is a joke. Life expectancy there is less than places like Afghanistan. There is a huge substance abuse problem there, mostly with pain killers like oxycontin. It is also wife-beating central USA.

"West Virginia ranks last in health

West Virginia ranked worst among the 50 US states by measures of heart attack, cancer, diabetes, depression, high blood pressure, obesity, and several other conditions in a 2011 Gallup Healthways survey. More than 35 percent of West Virginians are obese, a condition that contributes to other health problems. Some 39 percent reported high blood pressure, 33.5 percent had high cholesterol, and 15.7 percent had diabetes. Nearly one in four West Virginians have been clinically diagnosed with depression.
The state political establishment has presented the epidemic as primarily the fault of individuals and the lack of education about health. Of several recent laws aimed at improving education of residents and their children, most have been abandoned. One, called the Healthy Lifestyles Act, was not implemented. An office called “GOHELP,” which was created to fulfill the mandates of the Healthy Lifestyles Act is unstaffed."

[Michael A. Terrell]

libero....@gmail.com wrote:
>
> In this discussion of Republicans vs Democrats, I am surprised nobody has mentioned the strong tendency of Republicans leaders to go around the world to murder innocent people and steal their belongings (the latest case I know is Iraq, but many other cases happened for instance in Latin America).
> Murdeing and stealing is against the 10 commandments, and this is amazing considering that Christian communities often vote republican.
> This is *much* more important than most of the other issues on the table.

Fool.

[John Larkin]

On Wed, 7 Nov 2012 20:13:46 -0800 (PST),

The problem is, it doesn't say *how*.


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[Jim Thompson]

Damn! I missed one >:-}

[rickman]

On 11/7/2012 1:08 AM, brent wrote:
> On Nov 7, 12:19 am, Gib Bogle<g.bo...@too.auckland.much.ac.spam.nz>
> wrote:
>> On 7/11/2012 5:42 p.m., miso wrote:

>>
>>> On 11/6/2012 8:25 PM, bloggs.fredbloggs.f...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>> THANK GOD !
>>

>>> Ditto. I'm watching FNC. They are slashing their wrists.
>>
>>> I will admit I'm surprised they can call Ohio with the tallied vote so
>>> close. However, FNC says they are comfortable calling Ohio for Obama.
>>
>> A few of the s.e.d regulars will be slashing theirs, too.
>
> It is sobering for me. A tough night to be sure. It also oddly puts
> me at peace. I have spent 4 years tied up in knots seeing the hoax
> that has been perpetrated on my country. I see tonight that my fellow
> citizens have seen the hoax and embraced it. I do not need to spend
> four more years screaming at the outrageousness of it. The people
> want it. Somehow, while greatly disappointed, it also makes it easier
> for me to accept. I also have finally given up on the second coming of
> Ronald Reagan. It is not going to happen.

Now you know how many felt when George W. Bush was reelected... after
starting two wars, one of which was totally unjustified!!!

I will say that I am sorry that our country is split so widely on the
issues and that both sides find it so hard to understand the other.
Much of what I see posted here in s.e.d is very indicative of what is
wrong with our country at this moment. It is not the views of either
side, but the extremity of views and the refusal of the two sides to try
to compromise.

How about we try here to set an example?

Rick

[rickman]

On 11/7/2012 7:48 AM, dagmarg...@yahoo.com wrote:
>
> I expect the next four years to be worse, not better.
>
> Thanks for your perspective.
>
> James Arthur

A friend who is an economist discussed with me on a couple of occasions
that because ultimately all economics depends on availability of raw
materials, which are being consumed and becoming less available all the
time, we should not expect to live as well as our parents and that each
generation will not live as well as the preceding ones.

I don't agree with this 100%. It does not take into account things like
the green revolution and the improved efficiencies in information
processing. Ultimately this prediction will be correct when the
population of the earth reaches the point where it is no longer
sustainable.

Until then I don't know that your prediction is correct. The economy is
slowly improving... not a small accomplishment given the severity of the
initial problem. We are finding ourselves less involved with conflict
around the world and have plans to continue this trend. I think the
last four years have seen improvement and the forecast is only for this
to continue.

Now that he doesn't have to be concerned with reelection again, I think
that Obama will have more freedom to push harder to achieve his goals
and make his mark on history. I think the long run will show him to
have been good for the country.

Rick

[rickman]

On 11/7/2012 7:09 PM, Jamie wrote:
>
> We have far too many immature minds and free loaders casting votes
> only for their own selfish needs and miss guided beliefs.

I think you just described some 47% of the US population... at least.
Why do you think this is just those under 25?

Rick

[bloggs.fred...@gmail.com]

On Thursday, November 8, 2012 3:42:29 PM UTC-5, John Larkin wrote:
> On Wed, 7 Nov 2012 20:13:46 -0800 (PST),
>
> bloggs.fred...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>
>
> >On Wednesday, November 7, 2012 7:50:06 PM UTC-5, Jamie wrote:
>
> >> bloggs.fred...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> >>
>
> >>
>
> >>
>
> >> > On Wednesday, November 7, 2012 12:59:08 AM UTC-5, John Larkin wrote:
>
> >>
>
> >> >
>
> >>
>
> >> >>On Tue, 6 Nov 2012 20:25:21 -0800 (PST),
>
> >>
>
> >> >>
>
> >>
>
> >> >>bloggs.fred...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> >>
>
> >> >>
>
> >>
>
> >> >>
>
> >>
>
> >> >>
>
> >>
>
> >> >>
>
> >>
>
> >> >>>THANK GOD !
>
> >>
>
> >> >>
>
> >>
>
> >> >>
>
> >>
>
> >> >>
>
> >>
>
> >> >>It's a tipping point for America, and not a good one.
>
> >>
>
> >> >>
>
> >>
>
> >> >>
>
> >>
>
> >> >>
>
> >>
>
> >> >>Oh well, people get the government they deserve.
>
> >>
>
> >> >>
>
> >>
>
> >> >
>
> >>
>
> >> >
>
> >>
>
> >> > America is not the country you think it is or want it to be. Face it, you're old, intransigent and out of touch.
>
> >>
>
> >> And you're living a delusional life.
>
> >>
>
> >>
>
> >>
>
> >> Jamie
>
> >
>
> >You might focus in on the bit about general welfare in the preamble to the Constitution of your government:
>
> >
>
> >"We the people of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America."
>
>
>
> The problem is, it doesn't say *how*.
>

It is a statement of the precepts for forming the central government, not a prescription, and has since evolved into 200,000 pages of codified federal law by last count. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Code
You can add something along the lines of "in accordance with best governmental practices deemed authorized by the powers vested herein" or something like that if it makes you feel better.

[Michael A. Terrell]

Jim Thompson wrote:
>
> On Thu, 08 Nov 2012 14:06:16 -0500, "Michael A. Terrell"
> <mike.t...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
> >
> >libero....@gmail.com wrote:
> >>
> >> In this discussion of Republicans vs Democrats, I am surprised nobody has mentioned the strong tendency of Republicans leaders to go around the world to murder innocent people and steal their belongings (the latest case I know is Iraq, but many other cases happened for instance in Latin America).
> >> Murdeing and stealing is against the 10 commandments, and this is amazing considering that Christian communities often vote republican.
> >> This is *much* more important than most of the other issues on the table.
> >
> >
> > Fool.
>
> Damn! I missed one >:-}

You can't get all roaches by stomping on them. A few sneak off to
infest another day, if you don't use chemical warfare. :(

[George Herold]

On Nov 7, 6:36 pm, dagmargoodb...@yahoo.com wrote:
> On Nov 7, 9:36 am, Bill Sloman <bill.slo...@ieee.org> wrote:
>
> > On Nov 7, 11:48 pm, dagmargoodb...@yahoo.com wrote:
> > > Just adding up the numbers, Obama's spending is responsible for most
> > > of the deficit.
>
> > James Arthur doesn't believe in deficit-funded stimulus spending, so
> > he can't understand why Obama and his team - and every economist worth
> > listening to - has been stimulating the US economy.
>
> You've never shown that forcible redistribution has over-unity gain.
> It doesn't.
>
> > > He's also the one dividing us--Obama's making an America where
> > > prosperity comes from your neighbors' pockets, rather than your own
> > > achievement.  That's divisive. Expect people to act accordingly.
>
> > James hasn't yet got it into his head that borrowing money to pay for
> > the deficit-funded stimulus isn't theft, or that the debt built up
> > isn't a lesser evil than wrecking the economy by allowing a re-run of
> > the Great Depression.
>
> Taking from A to give to B doesn't make more.  Borrow it, then tax A
> later--it's still a taking.  In fact, it terrorizes A--who made it--
> into making less.
>
> Obama's extending the recession.
>
> Waving your hands faster doesn't change it. :-)
>
> --
> Cheers,
> James Arthur

Hi James, You seem much more passionate about politics, than I am.
And I hope any flippancy won't offend you.
In the long run I don't think it matters
too much who was elected. (I voted for O.)
I think Mitt would have been an OK pres too.
Some other time I might have voted for him.
At the moment I'm hoping O and B can do the 'big deal' that almost
happened two summers ago (2011). Phase back in the Bush tax cuts and
cut back on everything else.

If I was pres. the first thing I'd do would be to give every employee
a ~7% raise and cut the employer payroll tax by ~7%.
Put the employer half of 'payroll taxes' on the employee's pay stub,
then take it away again... then everyone has a better idea of how much
tax they are paying.

But screw all that stuff... how about we design (talk about)
instruments/ circuits!!

I want a little heater should I use a resistor or a transistor?

George H.

[Jamie]

rickman wrote:

> On 11/7/2012 7:48 AM, dagmarg...@yahoo.com wrote:
>
>>
>> I expect the next four years to be worse, not better.
>>
>> Thanks for your perspective.
>>
>> James Arthur
>
>
> A friend who is an economist discussed with me on a couple of occasions
> that because ultimately all economics depends on availability of raw
> materials, which are being consumed and becoming less available all the
> time, we should not expect to live as well as our parents and that each
> generation will not live as well as the preceding ones.
>
> I don't agree with this 100%. It does not take into account things like
> the green revolution and the improved efficiencies in information
> processing. Ultimately this prediction will be correct when the
> population of the earth reaches the point where it is no longer
> sustainable.

Wake up and smell the coffee, it has long past the point where it became
unsustainable.

The only fix is a reduction of population which can be done if the
birth rate was properly controlled, especially the dumb asses that are
being pushed out these days..

Jamie

[Jamie]

What I know is what has taken place in the last 4 years, and that can
not be disputed, expect it to continue deeper into the abyss.

I won't feel sorry for your kind, you'll be the first to feel it, it
not already.

Obama has no idea what he is doing, the only plains he most likely has
are those to save his own ass. You can rely on that.

After listening to him at the debates, I get the impression that he may
have not been interested in winning this time. It would of made it much
easier for him to simply walk away and admit defeat, instead the
unknowing saps re-elect him. I don't feel sorry for any of you.

Jamie

[Jamie]

Bill Sloman wrote:

> On Nov 8, 11:55 am, Jamie

> <jamie_ka1lpa_not_valid_after_ka1l...@charter.net> wrote:
>
>>John Larkin wrote:
>>
>>>On Tue, 6 Nov 2012 20:25:21 -0800 (PST),
>>>bloggs.fredbloggs.f...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>>>THANK GOD !
>>
>>>It's a tipping point for America, and not a good one.
>>
>>>Oh well, people get the government they deserve.
>>

>>You mean those that voted for him, I didn't Thank you.
>
>
> Sadly, you won't have your nose rubbed in the consequences of your
> stupidity.
>
> Happily, the rest of us won't have our noses rubbed in it either.
>
> --
> Bill Sloman, Sydney
You should be treated like an unwanted guest, you have no place to
say what we should or should not do in this country.. Before you
start passing out guide lines on how to live and how to vote, you should
get your act into gear first.. So far, it don't look like your wheels
are spinning, nor have they ever from what I've read of your postings.

Jamie

[Jim Thompson]

Dreamer. It isn't going to happen. Everyone is going to get a
tax-UNCUT... enjoy your vote.

[Michael A. Terrell]

Jim Thompson wrote:
>
> Dreamer. It isn't going to happen. Everyone is going to get a
> tax-UNCUT... enjoy your vote.

And it's coming very soon.

[Michael A. Terrell]

Wow! That hit 10000 on the irony meter, before it vaporized.

[Jim Thompson]

Yep they're calling it some kind of "cliff". By tomorrow it'll be a
"Bush cliff" >:-}

[Jim Thompson]

Yep. That's why I say Republicans should be FOR abortion ;-)

[Michael A. Terrell]

Jim Thompson wrote:
>
> On Thu, 08 Nov 2012 19:05:37 -0500, "Michael A. Terrell"
> <mike.t...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
> >
> >Jim Thompson wrote:
> >>
> >> Dreamer. It isn't going to happen. Everyone is going to get a
> >> tax-UNCUT... enjoy your vote.
> >
> >
> > And it's coming very soon.
>
> Yep they're calling it some kind of "cliff". By tomorrow it'll be a
> "Bush cliff" >:-}

More like a 'Cliff Clavin' concept.

[Michael A. Terrell]

Jim Thompson wrote:
>
> Michael A. Terrell wrote:

> >
> >Jamie wrote:
> >>
> >> The only fix is a reduction of population which can be done if the
> >> birth rate was properly controlled, especially the dumb asses that are
> >> being pushed out these days..
> >
> > Wow! That hit 10000 on the irony meter, before it vaporized.
>
> Yep. That's why I say Republicans should be FOR abortion ;-)

At leaast bring back chain gangs. They don't have to be able to
think to be useful. Then even Sloman could find work.

[rickman]

On 11/8/2012 5:42 PM, George Herold wrote:
>
> I want a little heater should I use a resistor or a transistor?
>
> George H.

Depends on whether you want active heat or passive heat... ;^)

Rick

[Jim Thompson]

We have them here in AZ. Sheriff Joe uniforms them in pink, then
sends them out to pick up trash along the freeways.

[Gib Bogle]

On 9/11/2012 5:32 a.m., Jim Thompson wrote:

> Sounds nice. Above examples of why the US is fucked. We can't
> continue to spend more than we make.
>
> And we WV'ers will do whatever the fuck we want...

True. There are plenty of duckwits to deal with.

[Gib Bogle]

On 9/11/2012 7:09 a.m., libero....@gmail.com wrote:
> In this discussion of Republicans vs Democrats, I am surprised nobody
> has mentioned the strong tendency of Republicans leaders to go around
> the world to murder innocent people and steal their belongings (the
> latest case I know is Iraq, but many other cases happened for
> instance in Latin America). Murdeing and stealing is against the 10
> commandments, and this is amazing considering that Christian
> communities often vote republican. This is *much* more important than
> most of the other issues on the table.
>

> Libero

The REAL religion of the US is not Christianity, it is AMERICA.

[Gib Bogle]

On 9/11/2012 12:22 p.m., Jamie wrote:
> Gib Bogle wrote:
>
>> On 8/11/2012 1:15 p.m., Jamie wrote:
>>
>>> So now we're suppose to knock on your door for guidance? I don't think
>>> you know which day of the week you're suppose to report to work, oh
>>> wait, you are most likely one of those, forget it, it's beyond you.
>>
>>
>> You know about as much about those who oppose him as Romney does, with
>> his extremely foolish talk about the 47%.
>>
> What I know is what has taken place in the last 4 years, and that can
> not be disputed, expect it to continue deeper into the abyss.
>
> I won't feel sorry for your kind, you'll be the first to feel it, it
> not already.

You still have no idea what my "kind" is, and you are just reconfirming
your status as a duckwit.